Convince me /co/ that Doctor Doom isn't the greatest comic

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>>78072841
If we can't convince you, why even ask?

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>>78072841
>greatest comic book character ever written
>only exist to job to RICHARDS

>>78072841

Not a single good graphic novel at his name.

Doom is good, but only as a supporting character.

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>>78072924
I liked books of doom

>>78072930
didn't he get sent to hell and make armour out of dead demons?

>>78072841
The most wanked Marvel character of all time.
Except maybe Thanos.

>>78072936
Kind of, it's pretty dumb. But it's a great way of motivating the character to get stronger- to save his mother from eternal torment once a year.

>>78072924
Triumph & Torment?

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>>78072948
That appears... Untrue

>>78072841
He is just a fedora wearing neckbearding with power. Fedora wearing neckbearding self incert as him, because Riiiiiiiiichaaards, got the girl that they liked on high school.

/co/ is full of so many fucking doomfags this shit is ridiculous.

Look at yourselves. Imagine if you were wanking over Batman. What you think of batfags. Now look at yourself.

>>78073093
Still not worse than Harleyfags.

>>78072841
>Protip:
>You can't
That is probably true. Most Doomdrones are unreasonable and unwilling to alter their point of view even when presented with evidence. /co/ would be wise to avoid wasting its time.

>>78073099
And Harleyfags are still better than Frankfags.

For what it's worth.

>>78073093
One thing to remember is that Doom is an antagonist while Batman is a protagonist. Invulnerable, iron-willed, master-of-all trades Doom isn't really a bad thing, because, as antagonist, he exists as a threat - he is something to be fought against, an overwhelming force to be reckoned with.

Batgod on the other hand is pretty bad because it removes all tension if your protagonist seems objectively superior to all things under the sun. I'm not a gigantic fan of either character, but overplaying Doom's abilities is far more preferable than overplaying Batman's.

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He'll come back in the last issue for a Hail-Mary save, right?

>>78073157
Maybe, I didn't see many Frankfags.
Fags in general are worst, no matter who character is.

>>78073170
Sure he will. Just like he'll lead all of X-Men to glory against Inhumans.
Oh wait, all of X-Men are in Inhuman camp, fighting against Right.

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>>78073197

>>78072841
r/atheism the character

"In this moment I am euphoric because I am enlightened by my own intelligence, DOOM intelligence"

I guess it appeals to kids

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>>78073211

>>78073163
except Batman always struggles to win and needs a giant supporting cast even in his own solo comic

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I read this dialogue and realise Stan Lee is the anti-Bendis.

>>78073069
im glad the new doom is no longer richard-focused, at least the new one we see in Ironman. Hopefully we still have the messiah complex which is kinda the whole point of the character

>>78072841
>Space monkeys beat up Doom, steal his infinity gauntlet, make him their slave and fucktoy
>"Oh no, I was just pretending, being God was cool but I decided being a monkey's fuckrag was cooler, I totally didn't need Richards to save me"

I don't know if Hickman was trying to portray Doom as completely delusional in that issue or if Hickman is really such a delusional Doomfag.

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These are the three best written characters in comic book history

>>78073204
Doom? We can't zoom the doom?

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>>78073257
None would get past the first read-through at 2000AD.

>"So your main character is an indestructible alien from another world who basically can't be beaten ,not only because of his powers, morals and general do-goodidness, but also because of authorial fiat and a never ending supply of deus ex saves? Fuck off, son. We don't deal in pretentious wankery here."

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>>78072948

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Doom's always had it over the gods.

>>78073239
Whats the thing that is hosted called?
I forgot... well, Doom sucks it it.

>>78073302
>Doom is actually Jessica Jones

>>78073247
Doom without Richards loses a core aspects of his characterization, his pettiness and his inferiority complex. The fundamental reason why Richards and Doom are such good enemies is that Reed doesn't care about Victor. Reed's got a family, a job, and science adventures to worry about, Victor is just someone who pops in every now and then to hassle him. And Victor can't stand that. Victor spends his time developing new schemes and plots to destroy the FF and take over the world, Reed stops those plots and schemes then goes back to his real work.

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>>78073211
Doom is great with kids

>>78073458
Doom hasn't been Richard's focused in ages. Hell even in Hickman it wasn't really Doom v Reed thing until SW.

Comics outside of Marvel and DC exist, guys.

Doctor Doom and the Masters of Evil is a criminally underrated book.

>>78073355
I Was A Latverian Love Slave
Royal Prerogative
Take Me! Break Me!
The Iron Grip of Doom
Terms of Surrender
No More, Doom! Please, No More!
Royal Male - Special Package

>>78073472
Yeah, I remember that time he sent Franklin to hell.

>>78073531
>Doom vs. Reed
>SC
I'll start reading it once its finished, but what are the Reeds / Doom been doing?

>>78073632
Nothing. See it is nominally Reed v. Doom since the Reeds are leading the resistance (well the only resistance that matters) but they haven't met him yet and there's one (double sized) issue left.

>>78073673
Oh.
Thanks, anon!

He's a Mary Sue but keeps losing because muh status quo

>>78073531
I know, I'm talking in general. The appeal of Richards vs. Doom is that Richards isn't more capable than Doom, if anything he's less capable, it's that Richards is better where it counts.

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Oh how I love Doom threads.

>>78073295
>We don't deal in pretentious wankery here

The irony of writing this while posting Doom, especially that particular page, is palpable.

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>>78072841
i've always like osborn more
hes like having a bit of the joker and lex luthor in the same character

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>>78074098

>>78072997
what comic is this from?

>>78072997
>Thanos gets to die and be with his waifu
Not only that, but he successfully provoked Doom, who as God shouldn't have even considered it worth a moment's thought at all.
Thanos has won that exchange, and the wanking continues.

>>78073170

I assume hell be the thing that blows it all up restarting it and fixing shit.

More of a outside the story thing though this is all Reed and Doom.

Doom will fuck himself over Reed will come out on top Scott phoenix out of no where for the restart.

>>78072997
God damn son. Why?

Doom doesn't have the track record of great stories Sex Luthor has.

>>78073734
Doom is better where it counts to most people. Reed is better in the two places that DOOM cares about. Science and taking care of his family.

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>Greatest comic book character
>Not Lex Luthor

>>78074682
Yet somehow Reed and Scott are dead in the new universe. I guess Scott dies after things are recreated but it stands that Scott and Reed are gone and Doom is around and handsome and doing Doom things. Doom wins and I'm not even a Doomfag.

>>78075125

>Doom is around and handsome

I nearly choked on my coffee when I saw him show up looking like a college professor and quipping to Tony Stark.

>>78073239

>toot!

I laugh every fucking time

>>78072841
Hickman, if you have time to shitpost on /co/ you have time to ride Ribic's ass.

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>>78073257
>WW
Heh...HA...HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>78072841

>>78073223
Oh god, that's hilarious. It's not an edit, is it?

>>78073257
>i learned all about comic books from cartoons and movies: the post

>>78072841
I know the comic that this is from came out ages ago, but is it meant to be the end of Secret Wars?

>>78078256
Loki: Agent of Asgard. Fuck me if I remember which issue.

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Wow, look at the marvelfags try to prop up their cheap Lex Luthor copy as if it was something special.

Every
single
last
element
of Doom is taken from Lex. A shameless ripoff character that has never been as good or memorable as the original. This thread is trying too hard.

>>78074469
Thanos is not someone that you can ignore, no matter how much you're powerful. Their confrontation was at par. Even Doom it came out great. In that situation he had nothing else to do but GTFO Thanos from the crossover.

I just got through Fraction's Fantastic Four and FF, and I have a question.

Is Valeria's destiny, more often than not, to side with Doom even at the cost of turning on her family?

>>78078575
You don't read comics.

>>78073458
>Reed's got a family, a job, and science adventures
Reed's an all around asshole that ignores his family, and practices science that often results in disaster, he's a villain if I ever saw one.
I wouldn't call myself a Doomfag, but from what I've read he's the lesser evil compared to Reeds.

>>78074786
you meant quadriplegic Lex Luthor, right?

>>78079843
No I just don't read shitty comics.

Try reading the real thing instead of Stan Lee's shameless ripoff ideas for a change. You might like it.

>>78072841
No vagina. I mean right, Iron Man, yeah? He'd build one. Cap? He'd try to have one in spirit. Thor? He'd get you so drunk you'd think he had a vagina, or maybe he'd get Loki to magic one onto him for the night. And that's just the heroes.

Villains? You've got Purple Man, he'd convince you he had one, you've got Ultron, he'd build one, you've got Venom, he'd literally become a physical woman by shapeshifting.

Doom? Doom's just a prick.

>>78079843
Let's see

>Egotistical supergenius
>Single minded rival of a certain superhero dedicating his life to defeating
>Builds super advanced technology and gadgets all the time
>Often plays the good guy when it suits him
>Wealthy leader
>known to wear green power armor
>Commonly fucks with god like entities and aliens
>Outwits the greatest minds in the universe
>Has become a godlike entity several times in the past

Yea, Doom is a poor man's Lex masquerading as the "cool" antihero. Meanwhile Lex triumphs over the most powerful hero in the setting time and time again.

Not to mention being a household name and appearing in lots and lots of media for decades helps too. Doom can at best be that shitty villain in a shitty movie that nobody liked.

>>78078574
#7 according to Google. Thanks.

>>78073250

Doom trying to pass off a failure as his own plan all along is totally in his character, though. S'what he has airing on his propaganda throughout Latveria every time he loses to Richards.

>>78080165
Luthor never became godlike, he always screws it up before he can enjoy real powers because he is a retard.
Doom hasn't been a singleminded nemesis to Richards for decades now. His plans are always more grand than that.
Lex was president and fucked that up, again, and got his ass kicked and exposed like the prick he is. Doom is loved in Latveria and even when he became leader of the world he was still loved.
Doom never plays the good guy, even if it suits him. He helps when it's in common will, but he doesn't pretend, he doesn't act. That's beneath him.
Doom fought Gods but what differs him from Lex is that he won.
Doom is a sorcerer as much as he is a science genius. He fights demons and wizards and knows how to use magic. Lex only knows how to use kryptonite for everything.
Doom is not a villain and is no lunatic. He wants power but once he has them he'll fight for the earth and crush any actual villains. Lex had that chance but always comes back to being a retard that hates superheroes and ruins everything by picking fights with them.

Doom is so far from Lex that they can't even be compared. Lex is manlet with an endless inferiority complex.

>>78080165
You realize that Doom is much more of a household name than Lex, right?

I mean, I don't really care which is the better character, because they can both be great or awful depending on the writer, but Dr. Doom is easily one of the most iconic villains of all time. He inspired Darth Vader, he epitomizes the cloaked dark lord, he's pretty much the archetypal supervillain at this point - even if filmmakers can't seem to get him right. You ask a casual to name supervillains and they are far more likely to list Doom than Lex.

>>78080441
>You realize that Doom is much more of a household name than Lex, right?

Sorry anon, no he isn't. Doom is only known among comic fans and online as that random hooded guy in comic/scifi threads.

Lex has appeared in movies and tv shows since the early 60's and is world known as Superman's nemesis. Not that many even know the name Mr Fantastic much less what he is about or where he is from.

>>78080441
>Lex Luthor=That bald guy who fights Superman all the time in every movie. Was the real star of Smallville! Gene Hackman!

>Doom is a 90's game
>Doom is a shitty movie starring the Rock
>Doom is the name of every cartoon villain ever
>Doom is that electric guy in those really horrible superhero movies from 2005
>Or is he that Iron Man ripoff guy in a green dress? I forget....because he is pretty damn forgettable

I don't read comics, but he seems pretty cool there.

Why is he so shitty in the movies?

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>>78074722
>DCasuals actually believe this

>>78072924
>>78072958
it was obvious bait

>>78073991
>come home early
>see this
>wat do

Out of interest, I just tried asking a bunch of my casual friends to name ten supervillains. Here are the names they gave me:

>Dirty Engineering Student Friendo
Joker.
Doctor Doom.
Mandarin.
Magneto.
Penguin.
Riddler.
Sandman.
Snowfire (the fuck?).
Loki.
Green Goblin.

>Dirty Chinaman Friendo
Doctor Doom.
Green Goblin.
Venom.
Joker.
Kingpin.
Harley Quinn.
Poison Ivy.
Galactus.
Mr. Freeze.
Loki.

>Dirty CompSci Friendo
Loki.
Doctor Doom.
Kingpin.
Bullseye.
Magneto.
Harley Quinn.
Joker.
Doctor Octopus.
Mr. Sinister.
Poison Ivy.

>Dirty Physics Friendo
Venom.
Doctor Doom.
Magneto.
Riddler.
Joker.
Harley Quinn.
Loki.
Bane.
Kilgrave.
Green Goblin.

>Dirty Physics Friendo II
Joker.
Mr. Freeze.
Poison Ivy.
Slade.
Doctor Doom.
Magneto.
(couldn't name anymore off the top of his head)

Kinda interesting, though obviously a tiny sample size. I may ask more people.

>>78074786
I like him, but his inferiority complex to Supes is far more pathetic than RICHAAAAAAAAARDS rivalry.

>>78074440
Secret Wars #8

>>78072997
Last time this happened to Thanos, he came back in no time and proceeded to wipe out every native thing in a universe.
Does Doom have anything as good as Thanos Imperative?

>>78083570
In this series Doom has the Beyonder so yeah, I'd say he does

>>78083606
Thanos Imperative isn't a form or anything, it's a series.
It's so good that Marvel writers retcon it out of spite for not being able to write anything that good.

>>78072924
Is this true? I've spent the last 4 years looking for comics to make me obsessed about dr.doom but it's always about him barely being featured or jobbing to Luffy.

>>78073197
>It's only a model

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>>78078575
Lex got no magic. He'd just end up being Doom's fucktoy.

Doom's got the magic in him. Everything he touches turns into schemes. Everybody knows he's got the magic in him. When Doom hits the floor the F4 come snapping at him. They all want a blast of that magic (especially Sue).

>>78081607
atleast it's more understandable. A human fighting againts a super powerful alien with OP powers. Doom shouldn't care about Richard. He has his own country, his people love him and he's second only to Strange in terms of magic.