Let's read Aliens - Fire and Stone. Released in 2014, it

>MEH: the book
To think it had such potential.
I blame the massive plot reworking the writers said they had to go through like mid-job though.

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>>77519552
It wasn't THAT bad. I honestly think that Dark House did a decent job seeing as they don't adopt any of the Alien cliches, or anything that Alien became popular for.

>>77519533
>that art
I've seen it a lot in the past and i always thought is was fan art. Never thought it was the actual cover.

Either way thanks for the story time OP.

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Should I do Issue 2?

>>77519729
Not a problem mate.

The art is kind of uninspiring to be honest. I'll love anything Dark House does that pertains to Alien tho. I'm that much of a fanboy.

>>77519737
please (:

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>>77519788
Issues 2 comin up.
Nice cover art here.

>>77519533
Are you going to dump the whole event or just the Aliens part?

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>>77519836
Depends what you want.

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Surprise!

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Should I continue with issue 3?

>>77519955
Yes please.

>grim dark
>destroy everything

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>>77519978
Can do.
>>77519985
It's alien, what do you expect?

>>77519955
Yes please!

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>>77520031
Bit late there.

>>77519548
Don't they need live people as hosts for reproduction? Why killing them peeps?

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>>77520088
Yeah but like, they gotta eat aswell.

Honestly, I've got no idea. It's kinda hard to drag lots of people to a hive. Sci-Fi logic.

>>77520099
we've never seen the aliens eat people
they just kill or take for hosts

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>>77520106
I know. It was a poor attempt at sarcasm.
But, why is it not eating if they use their inner mouth to kill someone?

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Urgh. Why does reCAPTCHA think a "25 speed limit" sign is a street name?

>>77520106
Even a perfect hunter needs to eat, even if they are super efficient they need to get fuel from somewhere.

>>77520112
That last panel, the guy with the sledgehammer. What was going through his head given the look on his face?

>>77519943
>take the fight to them
They bleed acid, though.

>>77519950
The FUCK?

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>>77520159
I've never actually noticed him. Thanks for the laugh.
>>77520189
You don't ever take the fight to the Alien. You just wait till you die.

>>77520252
I know where this is going and I like it!

>>77520222
>>77520159
In fact, what happens to him? We see him hit a xeno, then with that silly smirk, then... nothing? There's a guy with the gun and someone getting hit with acid-blood, but I'm guessing they're not the same guy?

>>77520099
>they gotta eat aswell
Is this canon?
>It's kinda hard to drag lots of people to a hive
Yeah, coz they lack the numbers because they didn't drag enough people to the hive to have more xeno drones to drag the rest.

What are your favourite theories?
I like the one about Aliens being highly evolved peaceful race that to get rid of their bad emotions have to put their babies in a pyramid (or whatever) for a couple a days, but something went wrong and they're reduced to them bugs.
And the one about how Aliens are ancient alien bioweapons.
Sick.

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>>77520261
Alien Zombie raping time.
>>77520267
They're bio weapons. Prometheus pretty much confirmed this.

>>77520261
I don't.

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Issue 4?

>>77520280
>Prometheus
Is this canon?
Anyway, I meant a "bioweapon" theory from before Prometheus.

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>>77520300
Confirmed to be 100% canon. The intention of the existence of the aliens was confirmed in a directors commentary of the movie. Kind of glad aswell. It makes a lot of sense.
>Engineers create us.
>We're shit.
>They had a back up plan to wipe us out.

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Semi-Related: Ellen Ripley was my movie crush since I was like, 11.

>>77520316
That's a bit dull.
I think one of the Alien comics' I've read somewhere in the 90's had a nicer spin on this IMO.
That the Aliens predate every single one spacefaring race except, like, one that most probably created them or whatever and they pop in whenever a certain race gets spread around the galaxy enough or something, to cull it. Like, the force of nature.
Whatever it was so long ago I don't even remember what was the title. Maybe "Aliens: Angles" if something like this existed, but I only remember it being good, having the _original_ space jockey and not remembering the plot.
Cheers.

>>77519737
>SKREEEEEEEEE

I will always have a place for this in my heart alongside *BIFF*

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>>77520369
That's a good theory aswell. Honestly, I was so anti Prometheus for a long time, but then I studied the movie more and worked out the apparent plotholes that weren't actually plot holes. And now it kinda seems all plausible. Alien 5 in 2017 should shed some more light on the subject.

I wish it was still a mystery. That's what made Alien 1 so good. The awe and mystery of their existence.

Pretty upsetting that Prometheus has pretty much ruined Aliens forever.

Like, we were already pretty bad off after Resurrection but now there's just no fucking hope.

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>>77520459
Prometheus is one of the best Sci-Fi's ever created. Everyone needs to stop associating it with Alien so much. Yes it's part of the Alien universe. Will at affect the upcoming Alien movie? No. It won't.

Especially seeing as David Cameron and Ridley Scott are directing it.

>>77520401
>I wish it was still a mystery. That's what made Alien 1 so good. The awe and mystery of their existence.
This and the notion that those natural born killing machines are rather intelligent and not a bunch of bugs to be brakka'd by space marines en masse.
I'm off for now. Time to go home.

>>77520479
James Cameron*
It's 1 in the morning and I've been reading too much UK Times.
>>77520481
Have a good one mate.

>>77520479
>David Cameron and Ridley Scott directing
I take back my previous statement then. We have a chance.

>>77520459
What are you talking about? They never made another movie after aliens.
Resurrection and Prometheus are false movies send by the devil.

>>77520510
I know brother. I know.

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>>77520500
Hell yes we do.
>>77520510
Hey, what about Alien 3?

>>77520510
>>77520525

Alien 1, 3, and Prometheus are the best in the series.

>>77520525
>>77520500
James Cameron, obviously.

Unless the british prime minister is co-directing with Ridley Scott.

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>>77520549
Agreed. I never liked those bozo Marines.
I think Resurrection had capacity to be really good. But they fucked it up.
>>77520559
Now that would be good.

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And they all lived happily ever after.

Anyone up for some Predator - Fire and Stone?

>>77520525
>>77520549

Alien 3!?! Ripley went from the ultimate badass from the previous movies, to some kind of radical feminist with the brain of a pea.

Also they killed of newt!

>>77520626

Newt's death, just as Ripley saving her, was thematically important.

>>77520626
I know right. Newt was like, so cute.
Urgh.

>>77520626

But it had pete postlethwaite! and Tywin Lannister nailed Ripley!

>>77520644
>Tywin Lannister nailed Ripley!
Haha. Fuck that made me choke on my coffee.

>>77520585
Sure, why not? It's been pretty enjoyable so far.

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>>77520653
You got. Can only do 1 issue though, got an exam in about 6 hours and I haven't slept.

>>77520688
Should you really be here, when you have an exam in 6 hours?

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>>77520711
Ofcourse I need to be here. Who else is going to do a Predator storytime?

>>77520770
The disgrace! he challenged him to single combat and the coward shot him!
There is no greater dishonour. The predator wasn't under any kind of pressure, he should have accepted the challenge!

Anyone know what the future of the AVP and Prometheus franchise is at Dark Horse ? This was supposed to be the start of a new unified line right ?

>>77520818
That only applies to fighting the protagonist.

So I am not familiar with story times, did the OP leave us hanging or is he just taking a potty break?

>>77520949
There's no way of telling, really.

>>77520369

Aliens: destroying angels

They turn the lovecraft to 11 for that one, kinda wish the trippy 'ancient, elder gods and demons from the edge of reality' theme stuck. More oportunities for Gigerian landscapes and Blame! Sized superstructures that way.

>>77520479

I trust neither of these men.

Prometheus was bad for reasons unrelated to the lore anyhow, it just wasnt exciting or coherent what-so-fucking-ever. That they made the jockrys boring and did a worse job at ANCIENT ALIENS than fucking AvP is it's own deal.

>>77521268
Pretty much this, to be honest. It has none of the tension out sense of peril that Alien did. The cast was too large and the small handful that received any development at all were shallow and under-realized. You can get away with having character "types" in a film like Alien because their relationships aren't personal, they're professional and there's a certain amount of distance between everyone as a result; but you can't pull off that trick when you have complicated romantic and familial relationship, like between Shaw and Holloway; or between Vickers, Weyland and David. You have to put in the effort to flesh those out and you can't do that when you're cutting back and forth to the Fifield and Millburn show, or Idris Elba's impromptu squeezebox solo.

And that's not even touching the fact that the story is all over the place. The black goo is liquid Deus Ex Machina, it does whatever the plot needs it to do in that particular scene; characters who are ostensibly experts in their fields behave like dopey college students in a slasher flick; and what little thought is given to the premise amounts to coffee shop theology - although, in fairness, you do have to go to Ridley Scott's boneheaded commentary on Jesus being an Engineer to close the loop on the two-thousand-year-old corpse.

There's not much to like and a whole lot to hate about Prometheus. A lot of that could be forgiven if they'd at least made it an enjoyable film but watching the movie is a chore.

>>77519845
id love the whole event!

>>77521210
If you could story time it that sounds sweet

God I love this art style so much.

>>77522358

Honestly, the only good parts of Prometheus were the visuals, and David. Everything else either makes no sense, or makes sense but only in an incredibly retarded way.

>>77521210

Yeah. Personally, I think the origin, or creation, or details surrounding the Xenos should not be touched. I mean, you can tease at it a little bit, sure, but it shouldn't ever be definitively showed.

They should just be mysterious creatures that writhe in the shadows, from some long-forgotten corner of the universe. People may find a way to deal with a few of them, or they may experiment on them a little to find some tiny hints about them, but at the end of the day, you know they're always out there and don't know where they're going to pop up next to wreck everyone's shit.

>>77523826

Cant make any promises, but it's usually in every alien comic pack

>>77520818
maybe the predator is on a "mission" rather than a hunt

>>77525127
Now that OP is death, I guess we will never find out.
But, yes. That is a valid reason, didn't think of that one.

>>77525508
Op is dead
Op was a pretty cool guy

>>77519533
Thanks op

>>77526039
RIP in peace.

>>77520585
Well, that was singularly anticlimactic.

Op has been attacked by a face hugger

>>77524029

It's not so much keeping it in mystery as much as keeping it abstract and unsettling on a deeper level. Aliens break the laws of physics, nature and are generally fucked up things humanity can't figure out. There has to be more bizarre things from where they came from, that shitty goo can't be it.

>>77528731
He should be done with his exam by now. Keep the thread going and maybe he'll post the rest when he gets back.

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Picking up where OP left.

>>77530178
You're doing God's work, anon.

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>>77530268
Eh, didn't have anything better to do.

So is the Endgame for this series that the Aliens are going to win and conquer the Universe? Because they do pretty good.

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Continue?
y/n

>>77530417
Sure, I'm down for whatever.

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>>77530425
A'ight.

Is this new Predator stuff canon since this is all part of the same dohickey?

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>>77530951
I guess? I honestly don't have a clue how the Alien/Predator EU works.

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BRB

>>77531373
Thank you replacement op

>>77531543
OP is dead! Long live OP!

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>>77531543
It's nothin, luv.

>>77520156
ive always preferred the giant living battery theory

the predator and Prometheus arcs were pretty good. the avp one was trash and the alien one was meh, the artist used action figures as reference for the aliens and its painfully obvious to me.

>>77533526
oh shit

>>77520316
I thought it was to fight the predators, but then the aliens just fucked the engineers shit up

>>77520316
I think the Aliens were designed to supplant the human race. They share out DNA, they're structurally perfect and they could never become smart enough to challenge the Engineers.

>>77533820
Prometheus has nothing to do with predators. in fact it decanonized the avp movies which was a smart move on fox's part. these comics and their new novels are showing they're trying to push for a new continuity.

>>77519533
Hey, I just finished Fire & Stone. I liked it a lot.

>>77534161
Well I feel silly now.

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The End.

>>77534620

Kind of a disappointing fight. You have this super-advanced being and he basically brawls for a few pages like a drunk Irishman.

Alien > Alien Vs. Predator > Alien 2 > Prometheus > Predator 2 > Predators > Alien 3 > Alien: Resurrection > Predator > Alien Vs. Predator: Requiem

>>77533291
>giant living battery
that would explain a lot

>>77531032
Ridley Scott basically says what he likes is his canon, he doesn't consider any comic canon.

The general fanbase has sorta said "fuck that", and treats it all as canon where is matches. No point throwing out hard work and a strong history that people enjoy just because Ridley wants to do his Prometheus movies.

And hell, Fire and Stone even ties the comics back into Prometheus. Far as I'm concerned, it's canon.

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>>77535111

i'm coming to your fucking house faggot

>>77535111
What's it like to be so, so wrong?

>>77535331
I honestly think that the idea of Engineers and Predators having a long standing animosity is great idea. Especially if it somehow all started with Predators just being their usual hunt happy selves and the Engineers being so butt hurt about being hunted they try and make as many species to try and kill the Predators but the Preds just kept winning.

>>77535331
Look, motherfucker, the man most chiefly responsible for Alien is Dan O'Bannon and he's been dead for six years. Ridley Scott is just some asshole telling the cameraman where to shoot. He gets zero authority on what is "canon."

>>77536254
That's what I am saying. When making Prometheus, Scott said that nothing else was canon, and most people myself included ignored him because we actually enjoyed (and will continue to enjoy) the comics and spin offs.

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>>77535331
>>The general fanbase has sorta said "fuck that", and treats it all as canon where is matches

the general fanbase sees the stupid comic shit like pink aliens and liefield-tier guns and says "fuck that" too

the general fanbase, generally, only cares about what's good, not what's canon. The shit eaters that do are blinded by their autism and don't care about quality. They'll find a way to squeeze it together.

t.old timey fan banned from every forum

>>77535111
I highly disagree. AvP movies should be at the bottom, Predator should be near the top, Prometheus should be in the middle at most.

>>77536449
I found the first Predator very boring and dated to be honest. And I think AvP is underrated, but I agree the sequel is shit.

>>77536440
You summed it up well, but the point stands; Ridley Scott isn't going to tell me that the comics I liked never happened.

>>77536488
...I really cannot understand how it is boring. I suppose maybe the periods of tension where they're trying to figure out WTF is going on? I personally love that shit, though.

>>77536521
Well he is going to tell you that, he just can't make you ignore or forget them.

Unless Proposition 28522 passes.

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>>77536488

>boring
>the movie that has the single highest amount of testosterone ever filmed in celluloid
>dated
>talking about -THE- definitive 80's movie like it's not timeless

anon, have you considered that there might be something wrong with you?

>>77536588
Yeah I have, and you're probably right. It's been a bit since I watched it. I'll give it another shot, maybe I'll be more fond of it.

Alien is what happens when you put a slasher movie in space.

Predator is what happens when you put a slasher movie in an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

>>77536871

and Aliens is Platoon with Alien

i love this analysis so much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYtQmayyDLA

>>77535331

I'm pretty sure the story is that Fire and Stone was originally supposed to be canon and tie the Alien, Prometheus and Predator movie universes further together.

Scott (or someone) saw the early drafts and whoever was working on the F&S comics was told to scrap everything/most everything and start over, with the comics being their own thing.

Scott has never liked the Predators, and never wanted them to be a part of the Aliens universe. To him, Alien and Prometheus are the only things in continuity. I don't think he even seriously considers Aliens as part of the continuity, and definitely none of the alien movies after that, and certainly none of the AvP movies.

So, Fire and Stone more or less ended up being a new universe, IIRC that just retold the story of the Engineers and became an alternate telling of how the Alien/Predator/Prometheus universes are connected.

Oh hey, I think I remember this. Wasn't there some mutated android involved later on?

>>77536989
Again, see >>77536254

>>77537922

I know. I'm just saying that's what makes Scott's opinions so ridiculous. He just sounds like an egotistical nutjob.

>>77536989
Just finished the Hardcover. The Behind the Scenes section says that Fox told them the comic drafts was contradicting the future Prometheus movies, so they had to scrap a lot of stuff. They're treating it as canon, the way they always have when making comics, even if Ridley Scott doesn't

Old OP here.
Glad to see this thread is still kickin.

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>>77520267
It's basic conservation of energy, which is applicable because Alien (at least the first movie, aside from the FTL and deep sleep chambers) is fairly grounded in scientific principles.

Since the egg stage doesn't eat, and the facehugger stage doesn't eat, the larger stage has to eat, especially since the chestburster (which presumably eats a little bit on the way out) grows exponentially in a very short time. The alternatives are that everything is put into the cycle at the start, by whatever creates the egg; or that the alien itself is capable of extracting all necessary energy from oxygen/other gases, but given the way they can survive protracted periods of total vacuum it seems unlikely they have that kind of lung capacity or need to breathe.

The eggs are either laid by a queen (who must eat), or by some kind of genetic manipulation (as with the transformation of.. I forget his name, in the Director's Cut of Alien).

And it is confirmed by Prometheus that they're created lifeforms, though I don't know there's anything explicit on screen that calls them bioweapons.

Also while we're all here (sorry OP if you're still trying to storytime), Lambert is best girl. It's just a hard scientific fact.

>>77538407
Ripley is bae.
Lambert got rekt. And was a bitch.

>>77520549
Agree if we're talking DCs.

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>>77538407

i heard a theory once that said that the hive itself is a lifeform of it's own, a fungus, that exist symbiotically with the xenos, and once 'planted', begins to eat away and deform the materials around it i.e. minerals, metals, forming goop that the xenos can consume, in return the xenos would glue victims to it which it would also progressively digest, like a giant carnivore plant/bee hive hybrid.

their growth speed may vary depending on how much 'hive' they have access to, if it's not present, they'd have to use their atrophied digestive systems and less than ideal mouths and throats to chow on anything molecularly simple to win mass.

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>>77535111
>avp over anything other than avp2
>avp over ALIENS

you need help. preferably a lobotomy

>>77538926
I liked it anon, what can I say

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>>77538680

you probably thought the predalien and aliens were good BECAUSE it was so dark, anon. Those designs were the stage in the franchise where ADI said "fuck it these dumbshits will eat up anything" and simply recycled the AvP designs and made them uglier.

they were cheap in every sense. The suits were ill-fitting to the actors and had floppy ends everywhere, the Aliens had stupid fat hands with long crooked fingers, thick buck teeth, short, stubby torsos and legs, and slimmy paper mache textures all over instead of actually designed body parts. The Predalien wasn't much better, with stupid looking pectorals and shoulders glued on top of an otherwise fairly biomechanic body, nonsensical dreads growing out like ponytails for some reason, and a shitty baby poop color scheme that didn't match the other aliens at all.

now for their actual combat performance, they were dumb as bricks and insultingly lame, but there was a lot of suckage to process in that shitfest.

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>>77536588
>>77536488
Predators is actually pretty good. Stupid, but good. Nice performances.

>>77538534
You shut up, sir.

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>>77536440
problem is, even here people will talk out their ass about the old comics/yautja/or female predators/games and all that shit as if its canon. most people have no idea what their talking about as far as alien canon.

and yes the shit eaters on the forums who actually think avpr is a prequel to alien or the "big deletion" shit will always be there. but they're only a handful of them. as far as fox is concerned:
-prometheus
-Alien:paradise lost/covenant/whatever else ridley changes it to
-Alien
-Aliens
-Alien 3 ( for now)
-Res (for now)

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>>77538680
>The aliens great
>The Predalien queen design is good
>Everything being suits as much as possible and not CGI is beautiful
naaaahh dude. the aliens have never looked worse. they wasted all the money making their
mary sue predator look good, and they fucked over the aliens bad. the predalien looked like shit too with its big goofy bobble head and pig tails. shit was scifi original level effects on anything not predator

>>77539050

Oh i know about that, but fanwank and xenophile gushing never reaches the higher spheres so it doesn't worry me like the braindead consumers do.

I've heard the silliest shit in /d/ xeno threads, you wouldn't believe. Nothing normies would accept or believe, so... Safe.

>>77538407
>>77538534

Reminder that Lambert is canonically a MtF tranny.

>>77539234
>AVP movies canon
>Aliens comic canon in which earth gets taken over by Xenos and Newt falls in love with an android, and Ripley goes off to find the Alien homeworld
>>The AVP comics canon which incorporates all the movies as they come out and mostly all the Aliens, Predators, etc. comics from the original AVP onwards.

nah. these are shit and im glad they're gone.
I 'll shed a tear for labyrinth and a few other comics but its dead. we dont need to confuse things more of multiverse talk. for what? AVP and renamed hicks and newt? pffft not worth it.

>>77539234
This is how it should always be. Pick the canon you want, and enjoy it.

>>77539236
Reminder that Ripley is straight up a dude with tits according to the script.

>>77539583
im talking about everything pre-fire and stone. though the avp fire and stone story was pretty shit too.

>>77521210
>Aliens: destroying angels
That must be it.
Was a bit cliche-y, but pretty dank anyway.
>They turn the lovecraft to 11 for that one, kinda wish the trippy 'ancient, elder gods and demons from the edge of reality' theme stuck. More oportunities for Gigerian landscapes and Blame! Sized superstructures that way.
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Why inventing dark goop of plot if you already have disturbing shit like that. And stick to the "ancient galaxy of ancient aliens is long dead and we're all alone (except for them aloins scary fucks)". How hard is this?

Also also, the whole shtick with the wooden moon (A3 concepts) would fit in this pretty fucking well, innit? The absurdness of all this compared to the Giger and Nihei tropes. UNF!

>>77537718
>One comic about Vikings vs. an Alien with the alien having been killing em off for years to the point where it was well known beast
Sick.

>>77540667
Aliens: Stalker it was pretty great

honestly id take a movie on this before prometheus 2

>>77537718
>Aliens in the comics that get stuck without a queen always tend to go into killing
That would fit nicely with the "good aliens unless they don't forget to visit them pyramids or whatever" thing.
Would love this to be explored more and not "muh mindless bugs to shoot at" shit.

>>77538407
Nigga, you engineer a superiorest bioweapon you make sure it don't die of starvation midway carrying out the plan (of total life extinction on galactic scale). You do, however, make sure they don't last indefinitely. Just in case. In my ""head canon"" they use up whatever makes them run from inside of themselves and then just switch off and fossil-y for a scary ass souvenir.
Also, I like to think (stole from at least one comic) that they take some of the hosts' characteristic, to better serve the purpose.
Aliens don't eat, don't breathe, don't hear or see. They do induce primal fear.

>And it is confirmed by Prometheus that they're created lifeforms, though I don't know there's anything explicit on screen that calls them bioweapons.
It's simpler to not include Prometheus and Alien in the same canon.
As to the bioweapon bit, aliens themselves ain't present there, but the goo sure is and for all intents and purposes it is a bioweapon.

>>77538781
That's pretty sick.

>>77538850
>lone xeno having a hive
What for though? Can he make a queen?
How are queens made anyhow? Can drones "evolve" into queens? Would make sense for the bioweapon theory - a single egg could bring doom to a whole planet. Would not make sense for all the AvP (as seen in AvP War for example).

>>77538993
Ever since I remember the predalien always had dreads and a triple jaw.

>>77519552
I like reading Aliens comic for what it is.

Whether it's good or bad, I still read it because I'm glad someone is still making Alien comics.

>>77539050
>"big deletion"
That reminds me that there used to be (or at least one of the pages in one of the comics' hinted on it) a theory that said humans were once "ancient alien" level of technological developement and then aliens happened and we got reduced to cavemen and now it's all about to happen again.
Pretty fucking sick.
Earth being one of the most remote colonies, only saved by an accident. We are the space jockeys. Some ancient shmucks developed aliens to wreck our shit but it backfired hilariously.
dun dun DUN

>>77539234
>Alien vs Predator vs the Terminator

>>77539315
Just blend it in with the Labyrinth comic.

>>77540813
>Aliens: Stalker
Now this is giving me some ideas.

>>77537718
>That lone viking vs the Xeno

Fuck that was a good comic. Someone needs to story time that.

>>77540813
It would make a great movie.

1 man vs 1 beast.

I always had some idea about a lone Xeno stalking and attempting to kill a lone survivor in a ship. I always imagine the lone survivor always having a ways to fend off the beast but not kill it. Eventually the scene transitions to a nearby forest/jungle to a desert and to some facility. The entire time it's cat and mouse ans the survivor and the xeno face off in a stale mate each time due to the survivors resources on hand.

This is just me bullshitting ideas though, but honestly every time I think about it, it has sort of a sense of dread and fear to it.

Anyways I need to reread Aliens: Stalker.

>>77540988
>>77541028
wasn't the main viking an immortal too or some shit? and it wasn't a lone warrior, the alien killed at least 20 vikings, its been a while since i read it but i do remember loving how the vikings were breaking their swords over the alien's face. always gave that comic props for remembering xenos are armored as fuck

a viking setting would probably work better for predator though. at least for a movie

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>>77544358
>bumping for content
>with no content
Classy.

>>77520626
>Alien 3!?! Ripley went from the ultimate badass from the previous movies, to some kind of radical feminist with the brain of a pea.
How the god damn fuck is that???
Her mocking a admitted rapist and fighting back against a gang rape makes are a radical feminist are you fucking serious?