>carbs are bad >soy is bad >sodium is bad Yet the Japs,

>>9310851
Japs aren't human

>>9310851
>carbs are bad
Said no functioning human ever.

>>9310851
>who eat a lot of all three of those things

you ever see a japanese person eat? their portion sizes are ALOT smaller than amerilards. plus they eat a shitton of fish, and vegetables. and they actually DO NOT consume alot of sodium compared to western nations.

>low test is considered healthy

>>9310865
alot isn't a word dumb britcuck. It's a lot.

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>>9310865
Actually according to my cute girl cartoons Japanese people consume a LOT of food, plus constantly snacking on cake and crepes.

>X is healthy
>Y is unhealthy
The problem is, 95% of people are fat and lazy. Everything is so extraordinarily less important than not being fat and not being a lazy fuck. It literally doesn't matter what you eat if you're not gonna lose weight and get off the couch, fatass.

High test is objectively harmful.
Low test is the future

>>9310851
japan has very high rate of stroke and heart attack for a country that is so thin.

also stomach cancer is thru the roof

>>9310851
If you haven't noticed the majority of "x is bad" sources are clickbait websites

>>9310851
Moderation ain't no bitch. Calories in calories out. Eat your greens & water.

>>9310851
they arent, murrika problem is the suger they add on them

>>9310924
Funfact: Japan has the longest life expectancy at over 86 years of any country. Good job amerilard you're almost 10 years behind af 78, lol. Try reducing your GMO, pesticide herbicide, hormone ridden, alzheimers and diabetes inducing pig slop and come back and talk.

>>9311034
yeah, how does that counteract what I said?

>>9310865
WTF you talking about. I went to Uni in Japan and the portion sizes at restaurants are the same as the U.S. The difference is Americans add a lot of sugary sauces to food.

>>9311034
>GMO

Close but ya blew it.

>>9311069
Tsukuba?

>>9311034
t. assblasted gook

>>9310873
Neither is britcuck

>>9311096
>obviously hasn't heard about the current discovery in the Roundup lawsuit demonstrating Monsanto failed to divulge evidence that Roundup and the byproducts associated with it's production are carcinogenic.

Yikes, you are seriously cucked by muh savior big agri, faggot.

>>9310865
>and they actually DO NOT consume alot of sodium compared to western nations.
Yes they do, they eat even more.

>Dietary sodium levels are much higher in Japan than in the U.S.
http://www.businessinsider.com/people-in-japan-eat-more-salt-than-in-the-us-but-most-people-eat-too-much-in-both-countries-2015-7

They're less obese so their health problems are just different from ours, but they're there. They also probably have better access to affordable healthcare which will improve lifespans.

>>9310851
They aren't that healthy in general first of all. The Japanese who are stereotyped as healthy aren't eating lo mein sandwhiches. They're eating plain rice, clear soups, and some lean meats. They also don't eat as much volume wise.

>>9310851
The Japanese are slowly becoming less healthy.

>>9311214
>the us is fucked up healthwise compared to Japan, so lets celebrate when they start drifting down to our level.

If we can't join them in a better lifestyle, better beat them into submission with our fa(s)tfood.

>>9310851
>fast food represents the whole diet
Shit thread.

Simple carbs like white bread, white rice, fruit juice, not good

Carbs like whole grains and fruits, good.

Soy is fine as long as youre not having too many servings. 3-5 is usually the recommended amount

Too much sodium bad.

>>9310851
They eat fewer calories per capita than pretty much any other developed country.

>>9310851
Don't forget the MSG.

>>9311321
3-5 what numbskull

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>>9311321
This post is correct. People always say "but muh asian countries are so healthy, sodium can't be bad for you" without actually looking into the fact that 4/5 of the top 5 countries for stomach cancer are asian, with Korea in a strong 1st place due to all the kimchi they eat.

>>9310851
>>carbs
They're all manlets

>>soy
Higher tofu and other soy food consumption is correlates with cognitive impairment in asians. They also have a shit load of bizzare fetishes from all the phytoestrogen

>>sodium
Stroke incidence is higher in japan than in burgerland

>>9311149
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/who-clarifies-glyphosate-risks/1010208.article

A lot of the younger people throw up if they think they've eaten too much

>>9310924
Those problems comes from the extreme stress and massive overworking that comes along with being a salaryman. Those poor bastards

>>9311034
t. weeaboo

>>9311425
but kimchi is delicious
why are all good things bad for you, its just not fair

>>9311414
Servings

>>9310851
Skinny =\= healthy. Also, they walk everywhere. No need for cars in nip land. Traisn take you to work, to anime porno shop, and back home for dirt cheap.

>>9310851
Go to the Philippines where all they actually eat is rice and soy sauce.

Terrible malnutrition and hypertension affects their country.

>>9311425
erm...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24456350

>>9311425
It's almost like stomach cancer is the only cancer ever.

>>9311682
Kimchi has health benefits, but it also has drawbacks. It's like if I ate broccoli with butter. I'm getting good nutrition, but clogging my arteries at the same time.

> For Asians, one of the major risk factors is diet — in particular, diets high in smoked foods, salted fish and meats, and pickled foods, including Kim-chi.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1592326/

>>9311686
I don't know what point you are trying to get across. My argument was that even though Asians are healthier on average, their high sodium intake has direct negative health consequences, so saying sodium is healthy because they generally have less disease is misleading.

>>9311698
You're probably right, IDK if the benefits of kimchi outweigh the risks due to the high sodium content, maybe another fermented food without so much sodium would be a better alternative. Kimchi every now and again probably wouldn't do too much harm though.

Because Americans are idiots and readily target anything that sounds like it could potentially be harmful so that they have to put in the effort of researching what constitutes a healthy diet.
>YALL! THE CARBS!
That's all it takes.

>>9311741
so that they dont* have to

Regarding kimchi I just want to add that most people don't have an idea about just how much kimchi Koreans eat. Any minor defect in its nutritional content is hugely magnified due to how much they consume. For most westerners kimchi will be a health food. Just like how milk was a health food for most of history before the west started consuming it in such huge quantities that it became a health hazard.

If they are so healthy why are they killing themselves?

>>9311033
Science gives us information about things.
That's why those claims aren't based on science. They're based on internet articles and reporters skimming science and then pretending it says their opinion when it doesn't.

>>9311945

like a lobster, its the only way for them to die

>>9311321
>Simple carbs like white bread, white rice, fruit juice, not good
>Carbs like whole grains and fruits, good.
Is there a better way to show everyone you have no idea what you're talking about?

>>9311428
>Stroke incidence is higher in japan than in burgerland
>Sodium causes stroke
Do continue reading more fearmongering fake health articles and believe everything they claim, please. It's clearly helped you become so informed.

>>9312005
Nice argument you have there

Also why does everyone like to personify the body, like it has some sort of personality?

>>9312013
On average, normally, typically, whatever word you want to use to exclude cherry picked corner cases: Whole grain bread has the same amount of simple carbohydrates as white bread does.
One cup of cooked white rice contains about 37 times LESS simple carbohydrates than a slice of whole grain bread does.
You're an idiot who is spouting bullshit because he believes everything he hears on the television.

>>9312029
>Fiber doesn't matter
>micronutrients don't matter
Literally kill yourself

>>9312041
I'm sorry, could you please elaborate more on the strawman you're trying to create against me to distract from how WRONG you were?

>>9312029
See, that's an argument.

Now let's destroy it. White rice and whole grain bread have nearly identical glycemic indexes, and once you take >>9312041 into account you realize refined grains with fiber and nutrients removed are far less healthy.


>>9312042
Again, another non argument.

>>9312043
>Now let's destroy it.
Hahahahaha

>Again, another non argument.
Why yes, what a surprise. A strawman is an logical fallacy and one does not need to construct an argument against it. Do you not understand how logical debate works? That's a rhetorical question, don't bother answering it with your non argument of calling things a non argument.

>White rice and whole grain bread have nearly identical glycemic indexes,
You have no idea what this actual entails, do you? Of course you don't.

>and once you take >>9312041 into account you realize refined grains with fiber and nutrients removed are far less healthy.
Behold the anecdote of Arnold's Country Bread. "%" being relative to daily recommended value, which is bullshit, but a relative constant so we can use it for comparison.
>White Bread
Protein 3g
Calcium 4%
Iron 8%
Thiamin 10%
Riboflavin 6%
Niacin 6%
Folic Acid 10%

>Whole Grain
Protein 5g
Calcium 4%
Iron 4%
Thiamin 6%
Robiflavin 2%
Niacin 4%
Folic Acic 2%

Whole grain has 2g more protein, 4% LESS iron. 4% LESS Thiamin. 4% more Riboflavin, 2% LESS Niacin, 8% less Folic Acid.
Instead of being snarky and telling you continue demonstrating how WRONG you are by backpedaling away from micronutrients and building a fort around macronutrients, I'm instead going to tell you to shut the fuck up and stop posting because you're an ignorant dumbass who will never amount to anything in life because you can't even google facts for yourself.

>>9312081
Also, I'm out. Gotta get ready to bring the grandmother home from physical rehab. Feel free to construct incorrect arguments against my correctness since I won't be here to show how WRONG you are.

>>9312081
That's great an all, but there's more to nutrition than slightly higher amounts of minerals added through fortification

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19079919
>whole-grain intake is protective against cancer, CVD, diabetes, and obesity. Despite recommendations to consume three servings of whole grains daily, usual intake in Western countries is only about one serving/d. Whole grains are rich in nutrients and phytochemicals with known health benefits. Whole grains have high concentrations of dietary fibre, resistant starch, and oligosaccharides. Whole grains are rich in antioxidants including trace minerals and phenolic compounds and these compounds have been linked to disease prevention. Other protective compounds in whole grains include phytate, phyto-oestrogens such as lignan, plant stanols and sterols, and vitamins and minerals. Published whole-grain feeding studies report improvements in biomarkers with whole-grain consumption, such as weight loss, blood-lipid improvement, and antioxidant protection. Although it is difficult to separate the protective properties of whole grains from dietary fibre and other components, the disease protection seen from whole grains in prospective epidemiological studies far exceeds the protection from isolated nutrients and phytochemicals in whole grains.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25559238
>We documented 26920 deaths during 2727006 person-years of follow-up. After multivariate adjustment for potential confounders, including age, smoking, body mass index, physical activity, and modified Alternate Healthy Eating Index score, higher whole grain intake was associated with lower total and CVD mortality but not cancer mortality:
>We further estimated that every serving (28 g/d) of whole grain consumption was associated with a 5% (95% CI, 2%-7%) lower total morality or a 9% (95% CI, 4%-13%) lower CVD mortality

So to return to the original argument, yes, "simple carbs, not good, whole grains, good."

>>9312005
Not >>9311321 , but
Simple carbs are fast acting, give you a short burst of energy but do not sustain your system. Cane sugar is a good example.
Complex carbohydrates are what "fill you up," and allow your body to maintain your every level throughout the day. Wheat bread is a good example

Or you can think of it like
Simple sugar = cocaine , Complex sugar = steroids

>>9312010
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/strokeaha/early/2014/10/28/STR.0000000000000046.full.pdf

>>9312081
Whole grain bread should not have waste chemicals in it.
If the package does not say "100% whole wheat" then you are eating lab synthed chemicals and touting them as necessary for life.

>>9312200
>oh noes, teh CHEMIKILLZ

>>9312212
They are all hazardous to humans except niacin. Even wikipedia will tell you this my friend.

>>9312229
Did you know hydrohydroxic acid is hazardous to humans? Fuark wake up sheeple!

>>9312243
>when your government mandates that the chemicals it produces at cameochemicals be added to all wheat, pasta and rice in your country

America.

>>9312260
>when your government uses your tax dollars to purchase the chemicals it manufactures and add them to your food
>when they keep all the profit
>when you eat industrial waste and pay to have to do so

>>9312267
>toxic in excess amounts
>biocumulative
>extra toxic to liver
>absorption increases when taken with alcohol

Had haw.

>>9312260
https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/2015-scientific-report/06-chapter-1/d1-3.asp

>In its analysis, the 2005 DGAC reported that non-whole grains contributed important amounts of certain nutrients to the dietary patterns, including folate, iron, calcium, fiber, thiamin, riboflavin and niacin.56 append G-2 The 2005 DGAC concluded that including only 3 oz eqs of whole grains, with no non-whole grains, in the food patterns would lower intake of many of these key nutrients and perhaps place certain individuals at risk of nutrient inadequacy. However, the 2010 DGAC found that consuming all grains as whole grains would provide for nutrient adequacy in the patterns if fortified ready to eat (RTE) whole grain breakfast cereals were substituted for RTE refined grain breakfast.55 append E.7 The 2015 DGAC concluded that consumption of only whole grains with no replacement or substitution would result in nutrient shortfalls.

>>9312267
>unlike the naturally occuring form of thiamin,
It's a nitrate salt of thiamine that dissociates into free thiamine and nitrate ions in water. You'd find that in any plant cell.

>is fat soluble and can lead to toxicity in excess amounts
It's as fat soluble as the "naturally occurring form" hence work on developing more lipophillic derivatives like sulbutiamine. Regardless everything can lead to toxicity in excess amounts and presence or lack of fat solubility don't guarantee a lower threshold or absence of toxicity either. You mentioned niacin previously and even that can have toxic effects due to for example methyl group depletion from formation of the methylnicotinamide metabolite.

>>9310924
that's because of depression and low self steem.

>>9311661
Poorfags there can mostly just afford dirty rice and porkbelly fat and vinegar. Soy sauce isn't that common

>>9311655
>they walk everywhere. No need for cars in nip land

This guy got it. Every post after this is just fat Americans arguing about MIRACLE DIET bitchscience.

>>9310851
they also cant fuck or win wars.

>>9310851
this is something only kids eat at lunch and their metabolism is obviously good

>>9310851
They walk. The biggest problem we have in burgerland is forgetting we have fucking legs.

Italy is similar to japan in this. Italian food is fucking horrible if you don't live actively. They also walk a lot.

japs also smoke a shitload and smoking is allowed in most bars and restaurants.

>>9310851
Tentacle porn is the likely answer.

>>9310851
They're all bad in excess with too little exercise, Anon. They just tell people to quit thm completely because it's stupid to trust people not to gorge themselves and then sit around later.

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1. They walk everywhere.
Walking for a few miles daily has great benefits to your body.

2. Their "fast food" places don't serve carbonated drinks. Just water or barley tea.

>>9310851
Eskimos lived on fatty meat almost exclusively and were thin and had low heart disease rates before the white devils took over their lands.

in japan, fat-shaming is acceptable as something normal and good

unlike the western world, where you know, the media, yadda, yadda

>>9313520
A common myth, too bad it's not true.

>>9311096
nice try monsanto

what about that foodkino, what the health?
apparently, sugar is awesome for you.

>>9310851
Nips have a different response to carbs due to genetics. There's a few studies on this and its been replicated in mice.

>>9311034
>be American
>get shot
This is why life expectancy is lower, not those dumb Alex Jones tier conspiracies about GMO, dumb guy

>>9311321
>>9310851
Soy is not good for you at all. It makes you a numale and gives you estrogen and Japanese beta males and their declining birth rate is just more proof of it.

>>9313795
t. Big Beef bitch

>>9313795
Funny how the Japanese have eaten soy for a thousand years and birthrate decline is only a recent phenomenon. Almost like it has nothing to do with soy.

>>9312005
>there is no difference between whole fruit and fruit juice

State of your entire life

>>9312029
Do you literally not understand what complex carbohydrates are?

I like this thread because of the research anon and I want him to know I appreciate him.

>>9311149

you eating pesticides nigga?

>>9311425

how does sodium give you stomach cancer? I thought it fucked with your blood pressure?

>>9312042

Hey dickless, the fibre in complex carbs slows down the absorption rate of simple sugars so you don't end up with the same short term blood glucose spike when you ingest something that doesn't have fibre and is all simple carbs.

There's also more vitamins and minerals and whole grains due to less processing. That's the point.

>>9313887
it damages the stomach epithelium and the compensatory hyperproliferation increases the chances of genetic errors forming during cell division

it can also catalyze the endogenous and exogenous formation of carcinogenic nitrosamines

If I hear an American say "simple carbs", "complex carbs" and "blood sugar spike" one more time I'm going to have an aneurysm.

medicine is a meme at this point

>>9313807
Every civilization that has come into contact with the Japanese, from the Chinese to the Dutch, have mocked them for being sissies

>>9312005
Man I know there's a lot of dumb people on 4chan but seriously how rich are your parents? You should not have made it this far.

>>9314320
They're an island nation. Island genetics lead to smaller people in general.

Japan is getting fatter.

>>9310851
Because they walk a lot.

I've been to japan and ate a ton of food and I've lost weight. I had a fitbit and it told me I was walking about 10 miles a day from using train and going around doing stuff.

>>9313430
false

>>9315460
Because it's developing fast food culture and McDonalds is everywhere.

>>9311111
Nice quints you racist gunt

>>9311149
>x has been shown to cause cancer in the state of California

protip youre going to fucking die anyway who cares

>>9310851
...chop-stix..

>>9310908
fuck off geneticist

>>9315823
Haha nothing matters Morty life is a brief *BURRRP* blip in the infinite universe's existence XD

>>9311197
>They're eating plain rice, clear soups, and some lean meats. They also don't eat as much volume wise.
This is most accurate

Japan in traditional eating is very very simple and strict

Meat is for health reasons nearly never, in fact animal sources of food are nearly none with fish being what meat is mostly eaten
Rice, tofu, and many many beans, grains and greans mostly steamed

Looking at what 0p posted you think western lifestyle it is anything but no cheese it stinks like death and mainly ricemilk

A healthy amount of meat/fish from what i recall is about one portion nearly every 60/75 days and never really any confections or bread

They also have a negative birth rate and are the inventors of anime. Not a great example.

>>9310865
>they actually DO NOT consume alot of sodium compared to western nations.

jesus christ you can't actually be this retarded.

>>9311425
Stomach cancer isn't just due to so much sodium.

I'd say its got a lot more to do with the fact the food, in general, is a lot spicier than most other western countries.

>>9311623
that's not how physiology works at all nice meme though

>>9316773
>spicy food causes stomach cancer

Now I've heard some bullshit.

>>9311321
>>9311425
>>9311149
>>9311180
thank you for posting science instead of conjecture
t. biochemist

>>9316779
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2682234/

This stuff is easily searched

>>9311405
thats a chinese thing, japs dont use msg.

>>9316820
You do know MSG was invented by Japan right? Of course they use it.

>>9310851
>>carbs are bad
>>soy is bad
>>sodium is bad

And don't forget! If you eat meat, you will instantly die!

- /ck/ vegans

>>9318475

My grandpa ate steaks and ribs until he died at the ripe age of 86.

Vegans who think they will live longer will live a life of hell on earth at age 90 with no joy in life... hell, most vegans just give up on life cause they're so miserable at that age.

>>9316739
>one fish every 60 days
>no other sources of meat

Lmao no wonder they have zero muscle.

Less testosterone makes them live longer

>>9310851
Carbs are not bad. Everything with corn syrup is. Soy is not bad. Sodium is not bad given that you are not eating salt and drinking soy sauce

Let's be honest : few countries in the world eat so many industrialized products to the extent americans and mexicans do (I'm the latter, but travel to the former) . Yes, you're eating pasta, but youre buying a can of high fructose sauce. Yes, you're eating a hamburger, but you're seasoning it with that mortal thing called ketchup. Yes, you're just eating popcorn, but they are bathed in butter and drinking a large soda.

>>9310879
Have you ever tried Japanese sweets? They're flat as fuck for a western palate. Even Japanese sodas are not that sweet.

>>9318762
This, among other things. Food's contribution to life expectancy and most diseases is grossly overestimated, genetics play the largest role in these by far.

>>9310851
There's also the theory that asian people have quicker metabolism

I know that a lot of people get triggered by the word superfood, but that's what rice is.

Many times I've eaten rice I felt slimmer and healthier the next day.

The average Japanese person eats seafood / meat / rice and veg.

The average American eats sloppy Joe's, McDonalds and a bunch of fried shit at least 4-5 times per week.

It's not exactly difficult to spot the differences in diet.

>>9310851
sodium is really the only bad ingredient you listed and you can literally dilute it with a bottle of water afterwards. With food, whether its pizza, candy bars, ice cream, fried chicken, mac and cheese (all shit I eat weekly) it comes down to moderation. Bottom line. I eat all that junk food and I've probably gained 5 pounds total over the last 7 years. The USA is so fucking fat because people eat 3 pounds of food everytime they sit down and the servings are so big over here. Moderation in what you eat is the key, bar none.

>>9310851
>who eat a lot of all three of those things
No they don't. That's mostly bar food

>>9310851
>eat less calories
>gain less weight
#wow #whoa