>watching Mind of a Chef >David Chang's segment is

>>9223524
maybe you just have a problem with women so it made their segments seem worse. this thread kind of makes it seem like you're probably not that great of a person, might want to work on that my dude.

>>9223543
If you watched those segments, you would agree too. And I know this is not a fantastic measure of their cooking abilities but Bloomfield's and Hamiltson's restaurants are the only ones that have below 4 stars on Yelp due to consistently bad food. Just read the reviews on Prune, half the people say the food is poorly cooked, bland, and overexpensive for a restaurant that prides itself for not being pretentious. Hell, the very first episode of Hamilton's segment shows her using garbage ingredients from a supermarket, acting like a huge dick to her line, and then flipping that and charging obscene prices.

Meanwhile, David's segment has a bunch of just straight cooking parts with simple ingredients despite his very trendy restaurants. Edward Lee has an entire episode where he just cooks meat with fire out in the middle of fucking nowhere.

>>9223553
well it's possible that they're bad chefs or bad people in general, i won't defend them just because they're women. there's nothing wrong with criticizing a woman but the OP makes it seem like you're a fedora-wearing redpiller who just wants to say mean shit about women on the internet.

>>9223569
Well I am implying that Netflix either chooses less than par women chef's just because it's easier to appear more impressive as a woman and/or that women chefs just aren't as charismatic for some reason

Typically modern media 'interest story'. Gabrielle had 2 kids, then divorced her bread winning husband and married a woman.

I'll go back to /pol/ now.

>>9223553
Amerifats really need to shut the fuck up with their Yelp shit.

But yes, most womens chefs are shit as head chef.They excell in garde mangier and patisserie tho. but even there, the men are mostly better in a professional enviroment


t. head chef in a french style high class restaurant whose patisserie chef is a fatass black lady from ghana who makes such good desserts that we got into a few magazines just because of her.

>>9223614
Yelp is literally just "street talk" except on the internet, how else are we supposed to know about these random ass restaurants? I'm not shelling out 60 bucks just to find out a place has shitty food

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>>9223553
>below 4 stars on Yelp
lol

Nice restaurants are typically not an enjoyable experience to the working class. They're intimidating places full of strangely named food, alien customs (like "entrees" that are not a huge heap of slop with an automatic side of fries) and the dangling implication of some sort of intentional surprise. Surprise is where the divide lies. The target customer of a place like that thinks a bit of novelty, in preparation, ingredients, or presentation, is a bonus. It doesn't even always have to be successful, but at least, some effort at delivering surprise is a sign that the place cares.

For some others, like people a generation (or less) removed from living hand to mouth, predictable food is a matter of life and death. Perhaps they lucked out, got a job in a booming sector, or inherited a home, or something like that? Doesn't change the ingrained tendency. Surprise, or the expectation of surprise, undermines all the prerequisites to enjoyment.

Yelp is where people who should have just gone to Olive Garden go to vent after they experienced regret from trying to experience life on the other side of the railroad tracks.

p.s. been to several Bloomfield restaurants, they're good.

>>9223641
Have you seen the pictures of the food at Prune? Lmao, it's not high class or haute cuisine by any mean.

>>9223646
If you think the food and wine at Prune are typical of working class food in America, you're even more out of touch than me. Kudos on that.

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>>9223641
>>9223646
here is a picture of food with consideration to novelty, proper preparation, quality ingredients, and thoughtful presentation

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>>9223650
here is some more of that food that can only be enjoyed by the elite who can truly comprehend the joys of a deep fried sandwich and eggs

>>9223614
>t. head chef in a french style high class restaurant
Nobody believes that.

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Meanwhile here is Magnus' restaurant, Fäviken, rated 5 stars on Yelp

>>9223656
>go to a restaurant you saw on Netflix
>wow, the sandwich is $20
>I bet it's going to be amazing
>it's a fried sandwich
>mommy mommy make the mean liberals stop cucking me!
This is no one's fault but your own

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>>9223662
some more food that resonated well with the working class

>>9223663
>he's actually defending this
For what purpose?

>>9223662
It looks pretentious af.

>>9223571
I hate to say this.... well not really. Most people who call themselves "chef", lets say 80%, are actually fucking hacks. I have only worked with one person who is actually a capital C Chef, i.e., works the line faster, can cook anything without a recipe, creative specials off the top of his head, can control a line of "LOL I'm a pirate" retards, knows how to calculate food cost, streamlines processes, etc.

Of the other "chefs" I have worked for, I would say 60% male 40% female, the males are mostly more like kitchen managers, as in they are great on the line and good at organizing prep and keeping people in line. The females are basically diversity hires who you would never want on the line during the rush but are good at coming up with cute ideas for specials/menu items. I'm sure that there are some good actual women chefs out there, but they will never be as good as a man. To be a real leader of men (and don't kid yourself, line cooks are 90% men), you have to have the aura of "this guy is better at my job than me, and could probably kick my ass". No woman can truly lead a group of alcoholic, testosterone fueled dudes. It just doesn't work that way.

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or maybe we should be looking at someone with a few more reviews from working class people, someone who was just a regular ol guy like us. Sean Brock with his southern-style restaurant, Husk

Surely this food will be grilled cheese quality right?

>>9223663
Infantilizing the opposition is a poor tactic that serves only as masturbation for your own ego.

>>9223667
>a $20 brunch menu item might as well be $400
Poverty logic
>>9223669
Defending what? I'm just pointing out how strange it seems to see someone talking about Yelp scores for fairly well respected chefs.

>>9223669
Because the chef is a woman and thus cannot be critiqued.

>>9223684
I'm saying no well respected chef gets consistently bad reviews when their restaurant serves basic shit like eggs and steak, MilkWood, Edward's restaurant is reviewed quite well and isn't nearly as expensive as Fäviken

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Oh and here is April Bloomfield's restaurant, The Spotted Pig... a burger and fry joint I guess

>>9223697
>half a potato's worth of "fries" and a slider
How much does it cost?

>>9223703
26 USD

>>9223697
I don't understand, is it that supposed to make me angry?

>>9223705
No, just supposed to showcase the difference between the female chefs showcased on Mind of a Chef and the male chefs

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>>9223704
Pffffffffffthahahaha

>>9223651
>raw eggs
>english muffin out of a pack
>frozen hashbrowns,

>>9223656
>burnt bread
>eggs steamed not fried
>jelly from a jar

If this is high dining for breakfast, then i'll just fucking stay home

>>9223697
>only meat and bun
>worst way to prepare fries

is she even fucking trying

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>>9223723
Note that this is considered $$$, or the 31 to 60 USD range. Edward Lee's southern comfort restaurant, MilkWood is shown as $$ or the $11 to 30 USD range and this is what you can get there.

>>9223651
is that the ass of a lemon?

>>9223723
Breakfast (and brunch, which is what those are) is never "high dining"

>>9223729
it actually has a very thin layer of what I assume is bleu cheese under the bun

>>9223732
i see a house made biscuit with a bunch of potentially tasty bullshit on top. I'd try it

>>9223732
Messy, but looks legit good.

>>9223736
For close to $30, it better at least be more than pre-packaged shit.

>>9223737
so someone sneezed bluecheese in the other room with that burger. sounds shit

>>9223733
I feel like... it's an egg? I'm not quite sure, I forgot what the yelp description was

>>9223736
high end breakfast and lunch is amazing dude, im sorry you never had it.

30 bucks for that mess is a joke

>>9223739
If you don't want to spend $30+ for breakfast, try not ordering steak and a bloody mary at a sit down joint

Better yet, go to the corner bodega and order a bacon egg & cheese on a roll and eat that on the sidewalk

>>9223746
what no it can't possibly be an egg, I have no clue

>>9223651
why...why is that knife about to fall apart? Isn't this supposed to be a higher end place?

>>9223748
Where are you from that you think brunch is lunch?

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>>9223750
>dude this is shit
>well don't get it then and go somewhere else
>yeah but it's still shit

>>9223750
I at least dont want my shit to look like my drunk uncle terry cooked it in another one of his benders

>>9223757
I really don't understand what you're complaining about. Do people go to places like the Spotted Pig expecting the food to be stacked in neat little towers with geometric sauce patterns?

>>9223753
Well according to the episodes of Gabrielle Hamilton that I watched, she uses really cheap stuff in her kitchen because...? I guess because she's a mom living in New York? She consistently berates her line for wasting literally the crumbs on the table or the smear on the bottom of a pot.

However, if you watch any of David Kinch or Magnus Nilsson's episodes, they have a one-on-one session with their chefs on new entries to the menu where they seem genuinely interested

>>9223754
>nitpicking this hard
Hamilton please go

>>9223750
>If you don't want to spend $30+ for breakfast
Don't order it at Bloomfield's restaurant.

>sees burnt sandwich and steamed eggs
>implies it must be a steak and bloody mary
It's like you're ignoring every post made up to this point.

>>9223766
Once again you are complaining that a mid priced "comfort food" restaurant isn't delivering the same type of experience that a $400 restaurant delivers.

I know $25 and $400 must both seem way out of reach, but they're really not, nor are they expected to be, remotely comparable.

>>9223766
I need to watch this episode, she seems off her fuckin rocker

this thread is cancer

none of the food pics look bad and you all sound like bitter cucks

>>9223769
In all fairness, that burnt bread is supposed to be burnt. It's deep fried, it's a monte cristo. But everything else looks bland.

>>9223764
Do people really charge $30+ for food they dumped out of a bag and heated up and expect people to be happy with it?

>>9223767
>lunch vs brunch is nitpicking
Sure and sushi is the same thing as ramen because they're both from Japan

>>9223773
It's the very first episode of season 4 I believe, which is not terrible as she makes some like ok-ish dishes. But wow I expected the restaurant to be a bit more than some average ass brunch place with the way she treats her line.

>>9223776
>is supposed to be burnt
Holy shit, this defense force is unreal.

>>9223777
As opposed to shat out of an angel's ass and dipped in liquid nitrogen?

How would you expect to cook a hamburger if not with some sort of heat?

>>9223772
I like how you keep on doing this "you must be poor and can't appreciate this" schtick even as I compare a CHEAPER restaurant to the stuff Hamilton was plating out

>>9223780
>>9223769

i don't see a burnt sandwich, it looks like a pretty normal amount of browning. both the presentation and the photograph are bad tho

>>9223772
>comfort food means they can't buy new 2 dollar steak knives when theirs are literally falling apart

Hamilton please go

>>9223782
>dumps preformed "hamburger" patty out of a bag
>heats it up
>WALA IT'S HOMECOOKED!
>$35 PLUS TIP PLEASE

>>9223774
I am appreciating all the proper chefs restaurants, just not April "American Iron Chef" Bloomfield's or Hamilton's new york brunch spot

>>9223789

>dumps preformed "hamburger" patty out of a bag
>heats it up
>WALA IT'S HOMECOOKED!

where is this coming from

>>9223776
>deep fried is burnt

holy shit dude really

>>9223793

the steak and the monte cristo sandwich both look good, you're being total cancer.

>>9223799
I didn't say they didn't look good. I would eat them... at Norm's. Certainly not a chef I would feature among Magnus Nilsson or even Sean Brock

>>9223794
Why reply to posts you didn't read?

>>9223799

oh and the burger too.

i really don't see any other explanation for your actions other than you're trying to make a point about women by being emphatically harsh about these pictures.

>>9223804
I'm saying nothing about women, my grandma is an excellent cook. I'm saying Netflix made poor choices with their women chefs because of cultural significance (Hamilton wrote a bunch of trendy books and is now a lesbian, Bloomfield is an Iron Chef) while they didn't hold men to those standards and thus they were of better quality episodes along with highlighting better restaurants

>>9223802

i have read the whole chain. i don't see where you're getting the 'out of a bag and dumped into a pan' thing. it seems made up/speculative.

>>9223801

there is a mixture of different types of cuisine on mind of a chef. it's not supposed to be a hall of fame show for the world's culinary masters.

>>9223806
oh sorry, I read it wrong. She simply competed on Iron Chef America and got the highest score. Certainly impressive im sure.

>>9223784
>as I compare a CHEAPER restaurant
You mean the one you kept mentioning that's in like, East Methville, Mississippi?

Hmm I wonder why that could be
>restaurant rent in Mississippi: $475 a month
>restaurant rent in NYC: $67,000 a month

>>9223810
>i have read the whole chain
Clearly you didn't.

>>9223777
>food they dumped out of a bag and heated up

>>9223810
Different types of cuisine? Sure. That's expected.

But there should be some standard level of quality involved.

The vibe I got from Hamilton is that the episodes were more about "her" rather than "the food".

>>9223806

you're saying that women were selected because of cultural criteria and men weren't. i don't think that's entirely true, i think they were all selected for cultural reasons.

i haven't seen all the episodes of mind of a chef, it's just apparent from the pictures you're posting along with your hyperbolic commentary that you're reaching, trying to labour a point.

>>9223814
Are you actually trying to argue that they're justified in how much they charge for this slop?
This quality of food is expected of a roadside diner.

>>9223810
You're right. I appreciated Chang's trendy japanese-inspired modern cuisine with sweets and baked goods, Brock's homemade southern comfort foods, Lee's fusion of Korean, Northern, and Southern American tastes, and Nilsson's pure swedish creativity

I just didn't want to see episodes about a french chef making salad because her kids liked it and Bloomfield reminiscing about burgers

>>9223816

i read that you already mentioned it you fucktard, the point is you pulled it out of thin air in the first place. there's no evidence anyone has done this.

>>9223823
I know /ck/ thinks restaurants should charge the exact wholesale cost of ingredients and not a penny more, but these places are, actually, supposed to be for-profit businesses. You have to pay rent, insurance, taxes, wages, and so on, before you even get to the ingredients.

$30 for brunch, including a drink, is pretty normal in NYC

>>9223833
I'm not quite looking for normal on a show featuring bright and creative minds in the world of cuisine

>>9223829
Refer to
>>9223651

That english muffin clearly came out of a bag, and that "hashbrown" has clearly been reheated in the fryer.
If you can't figure that out from the image, you have no business talking about food quality.

>>9223837

nigger you're trying way too hard.

>>9223833
>is pretty normal in NYC
Maybe for quality food, but not for diner slop.

>>9223839
>he's still defending it

>>9223843

i'm not defending it. i'm just saying it's not clear to me that it came out of a bag.

>>9223840
I don't think you've actually had diner slop, but clearly you're on a crusade here. I have to leave for work, have fun screeching all day about a Netflix show

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Actually you guys are right, we shouldn't be comparing brunch food.

Here is the lamb with crispy mint and feta over potato wedges. 24 USD

>>9223847
Then you've never cooked anything.

>>9223850
that's not even me, the OP, lmao

>>9223850
>I have to leave for work
You don't work.

>>9223852

i have cooked at least one thing, anon.

that thing was english muffins.

they looked like that.

>>9223857
Cutting a store-bought muffin in half and toasting it isn't cooking.

>>9223851
>that lamb
holy shit there is like literally nothing on it

>>9223861

to me this stage of the argument feels like we've just had a movie sword fight atop a ship's plank and you've been doing dirty tricks the whole way through and now you're on your back and throwing sand in my eyes.

i meant that i have baked english muffins from scratch.

>>9223569
>but the OP makes it seem like you're a fedora-wearing redpiller who just wants to say mean shit about women on the internet.

I don't agree with that, I think the OP supports the very real and normally true notion that men are just better at basically everything than women, all people considered

>>9223865

it's a scored chop.

>>9223873
It's a knuckle's worth of meat

>>9223868
>help i'm being attacked

>>9223873
that is less than a bite of food on the chop. that's theft

>>9223896

they didn't take meat off the chop dude.

>>9223697
That is one mighty cute burger.

>>9223909
a decent chop has twice as much meat. That's...that's not even a mouthful.

>>9223914

it's just a chop. yes it's bullshit to pay 24 bucks for a chop with nothing else special about it and i wouldn't do it. but they didn't literally remove meat from the chop. chops are small.

>>9223916
it's a shit chop that they are selling at the price of a normal chop.

>>9223924

the smaller chops on a lamb - the rib and loin chops - are more expensive than the larger ones.

>>9223934
so it's a shit chop that's been deliberately over priced because there are less of them

>>9223934
I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a small chop she bought because Hamilton is frugal

>>9223524
i recommend edward lee whenever i can. get his cookbook

>>9223934
hamilton please go

Speaking of Mind of a Chef, what the fuck happened to the editing from S4 onwards, it gets real fucking weird and with a ton more techno background music

>>9223833
I'd have no problem paying more for brunch. But not for that rubbish in this thread

Here we go again
> I'm not sexist but men are just inherently and objectively better than women at everything. But the tumblrinas will get mad because women are above critique

>>9223975
I don't know, it just seems like OP's overwhelming proof of the skill or quality difference between the men and women on the show paint a pretty good picture to me.

>>9223983
You sound angry for some reason. Did the OP hurt your feelings?

>>9224018
>you sound angry
uh how does that anon sound at all angry?

>>9223851
When I used to be a busboy at a fucking RUBY TUESDAYS the FOH manager would have my balls if I served a customer a plate with shit on the edge.

DISGUSTING

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I haven't given any appreciation to Chang's restaurants. Though he has definitely become a lot more diluted now and spread out. I believe the state of his ramen shops have gone down in quality since he no longer directly oversees them. But here are some pictures from his more modern cuisine restaurant, Momofuku Ko

>>9223837
Not to mention, if my chopped parsley looked like that, I wouldn't hear the end of it for weeks.

>>9223851
That's less an 1/2 a meal worth of food, and those fries look soggy as fuck. Not interested.

>>9223524
the french girl that cooked sausages with magnus should have had her own segment.

gabrielle hamilton is literally anthony bourdain: the woman except with a way worse dialect, probably writes the same way. You also forgot tosi, who was mediocre.

>>9223524
I thought Nilsson's segment was as weak as Bloomfield and Hamilton's. I think part of it is that Chang, Brock and Lee are all more extroverted, which makes them more interesting on camera.

>>9223680
working class people think swiss chalet is good eating

>>9223656
This looks about the same quality I get from the diner that's next door to Smoking Joe's Cigarette Shack

>>9224717
Adeline grattard
https://youtu.be/Iv9hrZfLJJM

I lost all respect for Chang when he tried to "improve" a BLT by grinding the bacon into a paste and using tomato jam. One of the keys to the BLT is the contrasting textures and the use of a perfect, fresh in season tomato. Worthless pretentious bullshit that ruined an iconic sandwich.

>>9224755
>I don't know what pretentious means
That word is going the way of "hipster"

>>9224755
>Worthless pretentious bullshit that ruined an iconic sandwich.
In your view. Chang's thing is recasting familiar things in unfamiliar ways. Especially things that are somewhat pedestrian. Danny Bowien has made a career doing the same kind of thing, just not quite as well. What you're seeing as pretentious is in a chef's view offering something unexpected. People who dine out often at nice places get pretty jaded - they expect the food to look and taste good, so that's not enough to impress them. You need an angle. In the 80's and 90's a popular angle was fusion - adding worldbeat flourishes to your dishes. That's now pretty much a given. So for the last decade or so challenging expectations has become one angle chefs use to build their careers. Offer familiar flavors in unexpected contexts. Chang is fucking great st this. I don't see it as pretentious at all, just in line with the times.

>>9223614
>head chef in a french style high class restaurant
>can't spell garde manger
IHOP isn't a French restaurant just because they have crepes

>>9223782
>As opposed to shat out of an angel's ass and dipped in liquid nitrogen
Or you know. Fresh ingredients not from plastic bags.

>>9223811
That's an "reality" (entertainment) program. For Americans no less. There is no merit to winning it.

>>9224801
I think there's an inherent pretension in the idea that you're going to "revolutionize the BLT." Pretentious seems like a perfectly apt word here.

>>9224124
what is that
a chicken nugget?

>>9224856

experimenting with improving the BLT is not pretentious.

you just think 'huh i wonder if doing this thing would improve the BLT' and you try it.

people are way too keen to judge creatives for doing what they do

>>9224864
>people are way too keen to judge creatives for doing what they do
There are a number of folks here who judge the very concept of being a creative negatively.

>>9223553
>an entire episode where he just cooks meat with fire out in the middle of fucking nowhere.
KINO.
As usual womyn can't compete.

>>9223704
Plus tip.

>>9223663
Nigger.

>>9224864
Doesn't get it
>>9224803
Gets it

If you work in the service idustry and decide to televise it. You are allowed to be criticized no matter the gender. I most kitchens it doesnt matter what you are. You fuck up you will be called out on it just like anyone else. The problem i am seeing is that vloggers fluff up their buddies and instantly resort to ad hominem attacks when they face opposition to what they believe is the best damn thing on earth that they emotionally invested themselves into. Any critcism becomes personal. So not only do we have inaccurate critque of high end places. They flat out will not allow critque because it shatters their inflated bubble that they are important.

>>9224921

Doesn't get it

>>9224934
>inaccurate critque of high end places.
This also becomes a matter of standards. High end places are dialed in to the expectations of people with high disposable income. Those expectations are different from people with moderate or low disposable income. Those with a low disposable income just want to feel like they're getting a lot for their money. Those with a moderate disposable income want to feel like they're getting better quality for the extra they spend. Those with a high disposable income take quality for granted, and are more concerned with the overall experience of dining out. They're paying for novelty, exclusivity, concept and what's fashionable at the moment - all things that seem silly to people of low and moderate disposable income. But that's how things work on the high end. So an accurate critique of high end places involves a different set of standards than other places, because their customers have a different set of expectations.

>>9224725
While Nilsson's segment was certainly very different, I still liked it a lot. Chang's was definitely more entertaining but his restaurant is also like way way way more into the fine dining area than Chang, Brock, or Lee's. He still seems like a cool dude unlike Hamilton who is just a complete asshole.

>>9224725
>>9225757
also not to mention that Nilsson clearly seems like a capable chef while Hamilton and Bloomfield seem more like meme chefs

>>9223723
all jelly is going to be from a jar. a proper complaint wouldve been the jelly is industrially manufactured and there may be more preservatives and shelf stable fruit mimickers in there than what you might otherwise expect from a prideful chef. the problem is your expectation. that meal by no means looks expensive, it could very well be from run of the mill diner with a passionate cook. nobody told you it was from a 3 star restaurant

>>9225810
nevermind i now see that you were discussing images of Prunes food

>>9225810
it's not a 3-star restaurant unless you mean 3 yelp stars (the other poster seems not to know what a michelin guide is)

>>9223656
Lol that looks pretty trash desu

>>9225818
Not only is it a 3 star yelp restaurant (which more often than not just means food came to be unexpected of what I ordered, service was bad, and the interior was cramped rather than the food being not to taste), it's overly expensive, isn't even michelin-rated, and has normal ass food.

>>9225832
>isn't even michelin-rated
you have some super high standards if "not even michelin rated" is a variable in your judgment

>>9225838
>you have high standards
that's literally the entire point of this thread, that Mind of a Chef decided to showcase these really talented chefs all with well-renowned restaurants and then decided to through out these two female chefs that make brunch and burgers.

>>9223910
not for $26 it isn't

>>9224027
she's projecting

David Kinch's segment is kind of lame at times, though I like that he's just super nice to everyone. He's a super hippie, easily the most pretentious of all the chefs on the show. Still better than Hamilton's segment

>>9224893
This episode was really fucking good actually. Definitely one of the top 5 episodes of the show. S3E3 is just a ton of fucking money shots of sizzling meat.

>>9223697
I love fries like that tbqh

>>9223553
>yelp

>>9227934
>ignoring the entirety of the thread

>>9228044
>my ocean of defensive nonsense makes yelp relevant to the discussion

>>9228308
Oh please continue on how Yelp is so useless in this discussion when shit like >>9223656 appropriately gets 3.5 stars while >>9223662 gets 5.

>>9225782
>Hamilton and Bloomfield seem more like meme chefs
I can say for sure Hamilton just kind of tripped into being a chef, pretty much randomly opening a restaurant in an up and coming neighborhood and actually cooking against the current trends. She's kind of a sui generis oddball.