>americans call chicken burgers 'chicken sandwiches'

>>9029262
The meat isn't ground therefore not a burger? We don't call fish sandwiches "burgers" either. What clearly defines a "burger" over a sandwich? The bun? If I put sliced turkey on a bun it's not a burger.

>>9029266
>The meat isn't ground therefore not a burger
that's retarded, it's between burger buns and has burger ingredients in it. mushroom burgers are a thing.

>>9029270
>mushroom burgers are a thing
mushroom patties*

>>9029273
no, i mean a big mushroom cap. not ground.

>>9029270
>it's between burger buns

Hamburg steak is not served in a bun, and neither is hambaagu

>>9029278
Would you seriously call sliced turkey and cheddar on a bun a burger? What if you put it on a bagel? Or a small loaf of bread, cut open? What about a roll?

>>9029288
no you retard, it has to be cooked and in the form of a burger. this isn't that hard to comprehend.

>>9029291
>raw turkey

>>9029292
you know what i mean, it has to be hot.

>>9029291
turkey is cooked. are you're saying that if I cut a piece of turkey like the chicken in the OP and put it on a bun, it would be a turkey burger? or does it have to be fried if it's not ground(or minced, as you would say)?

>>9029298
there are grilled chicken burgers and fried ones, so yes that would be a grilled turkey burger.

>>9029296
yeah but a burger is a sandwich so your argument was invalid from the start.

are you one of those kids that couldnt comprehend a square is a rectangle?

>>9029303
>a burger is a sandwich
debatable.

>>9029266
yeah it's the bun

>>9029302
what if it's a roast turkey, hot out of the oven, that I've cut into a burger shape? at what size / shape would it cease to be a burger and become a sandwich? and what temperature? if I let it cool to room temperature, is it still a burger?

>>9029307
yeah maybe if you're autistic as fuck

A "burger patty" is made from ground meat

>>9029312
there's a sliding scale between roll and burger and you would be pushing it.

>>9029317
no it's not

If a stupid fucking britbong called my chicken sandwich a chicken burger to my face I'd kick his ass right there

>>9029319
>no it's not
Yes it is

>>9029323
>if i define a burger as being this you're wrong
idiot. just because that's your definition of burger it doesn't mean there aren't others.

>>9029319
>a roll
You mean a sandwich? Turkey on a roll is a sandwich. Egg on a bagel is a sandwich. Ground beef on a bun is a sandwich. Bacon on toast is a sandwich. A hoagie/submarine/grinder is a sandwich. A banh mi is a sandwich. If you put fillings between or on precooked bread products, it's a sandwich.

>>9029326
a hot dog is a sandwich

>>9029326
is a taco a sandwich?

is a pizzaboli a sandwich?

is a hotdog a sandwich?

are oreos sandwiches?

>>9029324
>literally from a country mocking referred to as "burgerland"
>not the authority on burgers
The hamburger sandwich was invented by German immigrants in the midwestern United States. It's as American as food can get.

>>9029329
pizza is an open sandwich

>>9029327
Yes
>taco yes
>pizzaboli
I don't know what that is
>hotdog
yes
>oreos
cookie sandwich / sandwich cookie

>>9029334
moron

>>9029332
Wrong. The bread has to be precooked for it to be a sandwich. Pizza is a type of flatbread. A flatbread with toppings baked into or onto it is still a flatbread.

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>>9029335
dude I'm weed lmao, but I'm still right about all of this. my sandwich parameters are unassailable. i'm a sandwich god and you're fucking nothing.

>>9029270
Turkey burger
Chicken burger
Veggie burger
Beef burger
All these have 2 components in common - a patty of ground something (meat or veggies) and a bun (either a classic bun or a roll serving as a bun).

>>9029379
I'd saying the bun isn't even necessary for it to be a burger, just the meat. A grilled hamburger patty between white toast is still a hamburger.

>>9029391
say*

>>9029379
chicken burgers aren't ground

>>9029391
that's absurd.

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>>9029440
https://www.eater.com/2015/4/15/8414107/louis-lunch-new-haven-connecticut-burger-invented-history
>Inside Louis' Lunch, the 120-Year-Old Birthplace of the Hamburger
> As legend has it, Louis' Lunch served its first hamburger in the year 1900, when the spot was still a lunch wagon. After a diner specifically requested something to-go, owner Louis Lassen — whose portrait still hangs in the cozy space — responded by offering a sandwich featuring "ground steak trimmings" in between two slices of toast. The unconventional hamburger "bun" still reigns at Louis Lunch, and according to Kerry Lassen, whose husband Jeff is Louis's great-grandson, "most people, after having it on toast, enjoy the toast more," she says. "It makes the taste of the burger come out versus the bun."
>between two slices of toast

No because name "burger" have it's long ethymology even older than you think. It all have started in Austrian village Straßberg. It was famous from it's cows and farms. Once they've taken a small part of poland centuries ago, austrian government had to do something with all these silesian scum, and as we know, silesian people have been working in mines for ages. And so you can't call a chicken sandwich a burger.

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>>9029523
then explain this please, directly off kfc's website.

>>9029270
What do you call ground beef?
>Hamburger
What do you call ground beef between buns?
>A Hamburger

What do you call a chicken filet?
>Chicken
What do you call a chicken filet between buns?
>Chicken Sandwich

Not that hard.

>>9029586
>>What do you call a chicken filet between buns?
>Chicken Sandwich
no i call it a chicken burger you retard

>>9029549
It's from Kentucky, they have their own reasons mate. They didn't took part in parting Poland

>>9029549
So as we know. Kentucky is from Kentucky. They all have been working in corn crops in 1856 and so were the cowboys from Minessota. There is a "mine" in Minessota. Fill in the blanks by yourself. It will really make you think.

>>9029262
For me it is the McChicken

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>>9029523
>>9029653
>>9029670
excuse me?
>>9029549
>double crunch crispy chicken sandwich
>chicken sandwich

Chicken sandwiches aren't burgers. Anyone that says otherwise is objectively wrong.

>>9029713
It's the KFC Australia website, I'd recognise it anyware - you've been bamboozled by the other poster.

>>9029549
9/10

>>9029967
it's not really bamboozling considering that's the actual website and i haven't edited it

>>9029549
Apparently KFC doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about.
BK was offering a chicken burger for a while. It was a ground chicken patty.

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>>9030077
It's just Australian anon, we don't give 2 shits about murka's rules on burger designation.

If you put a steak on a burger bun we'd call it a steak burger - those are our rules.
We'll also put egg and beetroot on those burgers, because it's better that way.

>>9029262
yeah I agree. Anything between burger buns is a burger and anything between slices of bread loaf is a sandwich

Reminder that England invented the English language and also the sandwich. Whatever we define it as, is the correct answer. All other answers are regional alternatives.

>>9030307
So I say it is classified as a sandwich because it features the primary characteristics of a sandwich. I'll accept 'burger' as a widely accepted alternative slang term.

>>9029262
A hamburger sandwich specifically refers to the ground beef do as served by the Hamburger people. Taking the suffix -burger to mean any kind of sandwich is exactly what an amerinigger would do.

>>9030315
When an object is placed between two other objects it is said to be 'sandwiched' between them. The beef patty is between two buns, it is a sandwich

>>9030321
the word sandwiched literally comes from the name of the food sandwich. that's an anachronism, friend.

There will always be local differences. in America you can only call it a burger if it has beef. Likewise, a lot of craft beers wouldn't even be allowed to be sold as "beer" in countries like Germany.

>>9030351
>in America you can only call it a burger if it has beef.

No, we call it a burger if the patty is made from ground/minced meat.

If OP's patty were made from ground chicken then it would be a chicken burger. If it were made using a single piece of chicken (not ground/minced) then it would not be a burger.

All burgers are sandwiches, sort of like how all squares are also rectangles. One is a subset of the other.

>>9029303
Is a rectangle a square?

>>9030505
Nope. One is a subset of the other.

>>9030509
If A is equal to B, but B is not equal to A, was A really equal to B in the first place?

A 'sandwich' involves slices of bread.
Depicted here is a bun or a bread roll.

This is a fried chicken roll, not a sandwich.

>>9030520

subsets have nothing to do with equivalence

>>9030534
>A 'sandwich' involves slices of bread.

Bread yes. Slices no.

>>9029266
>>9029329
>is a hotdog a sandwich?
See, it depends. If it's made with sausage, the meat is ground, which would then make it a burger.

>>9030548
This is the only definition that makes sense. Otherwise you're stuck calling hotdogs, wraps, filled pitta, and indeed burgers "sandwiches" and this is evidently not the case.

>>9030551

But then it would be a sandwich because a burger is one of many types of a sandwich.

>>9030548
Please provide an example of a sandwich that is not made with slices of bread that wouldn't be better served by calling it something else.

so from reading the arguments here it seems that americans think EVERYTHING is a sandwich. why are you people so opposed to specificity? a chicken sandwich, chicken burger, and chicken roll are all very different things. to an american those would all apparently be chicken sandwiches.

>>9030558
>Otherwise you're stuck calling hotdogs, wraps, filled pitta, and indeed burgers "sandwiches" and this is evidently not the case.

Those aren't commonly called sandwiches during casual conversation. However, when you think about the definition of a sandwich you must conclude that they are types of sandwiches because they involve a filling stuck between two pieces of bread.

In other words, the choice of terms during casual conversation has nothing to do with the actual classification of those foods.

You can google various patents that McDonalds has for their hamburger assembly processes and the legal text in those patents refers to them as sandwiches.

>>9030568
Or you could just define a sandwich as being composed of slices of bread and not run into that problem. That's what's up for debate here, the definition of sandwich. The only reason you can demonstrate that we should not do this is with a counterexample.

>>9030561
It's not about what it's most commonly called. It's about the the strict definition of a sandwich.

Take OP's pic for example. It's clearly a type of sandwich because it's a filling between two pieces of bread. Same thing for a basic hamburger. Just because we call it a hamburger doesn't mean that it isn't technically a type of sandwich.

>>9030572
Why do you want to define sandwich as something that includes things that obviously aren't sandwiches and aren't thought of as sandwiches?

>>9030571
>Or you could just define a sandwich as being composed of slices of bread

But that would be inaccurate because there are plenty of things that we call sandwiches that are inside of buns, rolls, croissants, etc, rather than just sliced bread.

>>9030586
I don't call those things sandwiches, I call those things buns, rolls, croissants etc.

Why do you want to call them sandwiches instead of their name?
Croissants aren't even bread ffs

in america, "burger" is defined by the meat (ground beef)

in europe, "burger" is defined by the bread (sesame bun)

>>9030577
Because "what we commonly think of" is not strict criteria for setting a definition by. That sort of thing varies from person to person.

And like I said, there is already legal precedent for it. McDonalds has many patents for their burger assembly procedures that refers to them as "sandwhiches".

Terminology used in casual conversation varies too much for it to be used as criteria for setting a definition.

I agree that it sounds really silly to call a hamburger a sandwich, but that has no bearing on whether or not it actually is one. And when you think about it, it clearly is.

It's just like rectangles and squares. Nobody refers to a square as as rectangle in normal conversation, but when you think about the details it clearly is a type of one. Same thing here.

>>9030596
There's no universal objective truth behind word definitions, anon

Define the word as best suits its use in its linguistic context. Which, in this case, would be ingredients between slices of bread.

>>9030590
Your personal choice of terminology is a poor thing to set a standard by. It should be something that's clearly understood, not something that varies from person to person.

>Why do you want to call them sandwiches instead of their name?

I do call them by their specific names. But again, a person's choice of name has nothing whatsoever to do with what they technically are. I think those things are technically sandwiches because they consist of a filling between two pieces of bread. Would I call them a sandwich in casual conversation? No. But that has nothing to do with a technical discussion of whether they are or are not sandwiches.

>>9030610
Why should a word's definition be completely unrelated to how people use it? That theoretical definition is just meaningless.

>>9030605
>There's no universal objective truth behind word definitions, anon

Why do I get the feeling you've never taken a math class in your life?

>Which, in this case, would be ingredients between slices of bread.
Why are you hung up on "slice"? Why would it matter if it was a slice as opposed to a bun?

>>9030613
Because if it's a bun, you have to call burgers, hotdogs, wraps, and pita breads all sandwiches. That's silly, those things have their own names. There's no reason for these definitions to need to overlap.

>>9030613
>comparing language to maths
why do i get the feeling you've never taken a linguistics class in your life?

>>9030613
I'm an accredited engineer, which come to think is probably part of why I think it's important that our words should have sensible definitions without ambiguity.

>>9030612
>Why should a word's definition be completely unrelated to how people use it?

Because a definition needs to be specific, whereas different people use words differently. It's pointless to use something so fluid and inconsistent as a standard for a definition.

>>9030616
>Because if it's a bun, you have to call burgers, hotdogs, wraps, and pita breads all sandwiches.
Yes. I fail to see the problem here

>That's silly, those things have their own names
Sure. And the two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

It's no different than squares and rectangles, anon. Nobody calls a square a rectangle during normal conversation, but it technically is one.

The concept of a sandwich is very broad, and there are many subsets under that definition. Hamburgers are one of them. (again, refer to McDonalds patent documentation)

>>9030626
"Ingredients between two slices of bread" isn't fluid and inconsistent, anon.

Maybe you should invent a different word for encompassing all bread-and-filling based items, but that word shouldn't be sandwich. You wouldn't intuitively call a wrap a sandwich, would you?

>>9030629
People don't call those things sandwiches, so the theoretical definition you're proposing is unrelated to the way people use the word.

I bet you still think 'gay' means happy.

>>9030623
>why do i get the feeling you've never taken a linguistics class in your life?

What does linguistics have to do with assigning a clear definition to something? Linguistics varies too much to be used as a standard for anything.

>>9030637
>linguistics varies too much to be used as a standard for anything
why do I get the feeling you've never taken a linguistics class in your life?

>>9030632
>"Ingredients between two slices of bread" isn't fluid and inconsistent, anon.

But it is, because not everyone agrees with that definition. In fact, there are many common and clear counter-examples (McDonalds, for example)

>You wouldn't intuitively call a wrap a sandwich, would you?
1) No, I wouldn't. But what I intuitively call something sounds like a really poor basis for a definition.

2) A wrap contains a single piece of tortilla. It doesn't meet the definition of a sandwich because there is only one piece of "bread". Sandwich requires two pieces.

>>9030638
Are you going to explain yourself or are you going to keep parroting?

We've already discussed in this vary thread how terms vary greatly from place to place. For example, see >>9030595

It seems retarded to use something so varied as a basis for a definition.

>>9030645
I'm implying that maybe you should take a linguistics class, or at least google the concept of linguistics before spouting nonsense

>>9030307
England is cucked by muslims now so nothing you say means anything. Its also hard to understand what youre saying with a brown rod in your mouth.

>>9030641
plenty of sandwiches only have one piece of bread

hoagies and subs for example

>>9030655
They are cut in half, therefore there are two pieces.

hot dogs are sandwiches

It's a chicken sandwich not a hamburger sandwich

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>>9029549
>using KFC as an authority for anything

Is a hotdog a taco?

>>9029262
They're all sandwiches but to be a "burger" it requires hamburger.

My five year old son is able to separate burgers from sandwiches. Why can't you guys?

>>9031574
A burger is a type of sandwich made with ground meat or vegetables formed into a patty, usually on a bun.

>>9031582
Not _usually_ on a bun. Always. You ever go to McDonalds and just buy a patty? "Here you go sir, heres your flat meatball".

>>9031591
Some burgers are on toast. In fact, there's a restaurant that has been serving hamburger sandwiches for over 100 years, and they've always served it on regular white toast. "Hamurger" really just refers to the meat patty, but in general use, it's a synecdoche for "hamburger sandwich."

>>9031606
hamburger*

>>9029262
"hamburger" refers to a ground beef patty between bread

"burger" is ground meat patty between bread

"sandwich" is anything between bread

a burger is a type of sandwich

an unground chicken sandwich is therefore not a burger

>>9031645
You dumb burgers don't know shit about burgers.

>>9029440
Burger King offered "chicken burgers" in addition to their chicken sandwiches. The difference was that the chicken burger had a processed, ground chicken patty.

>>9029262
Needs more mayo

>>9032068
Burger Kings chicken sandwiches were always processed, same with mcchicken