Despite being under 30, in good shape, and eating mostly chicken

I eat a few vegetarian meals every week. Lentil curry and vegetarian chili are my go-tos

>>8770651
your problem is probably the bread, some people find carb consumption affects their cholesterol levels

eat more veg and whole grain bread instead of white

>>8770651

unsaturated fats from avocados and nuts etc. lower the "bad" LDL cholesterol.

If you don't get a lot of those in your diet, you should try em.

>>8770651
Do you drink alcohol regularly?

>>8770679
Yes.

>>8770651
bacon and eggs you dicks

pressure cook some soaked lentils and split peas (two tablespoons of each) and sliced carrots.

pour into pot and add frozen green peas, precooked pinto beans, tomato paste, chili powder, ginger powder, cayenne powder, garlic powder, black pepper, curry powder and let simmer for a little while. then add Italian seasoning right before eating and mix that in.

eat with toasted whole wheat bread. you'll love it.

>>8770721
That's it. Lots of drinking makes your body produce lots of cholesterol. This is why some guys end up in the hospital with pancreatitis after a weekend bender. You don't want that.

You have three options:
1) Say fuck it and just take the pills
2) Stop drinking so much
3) Eliminate as much saturated fat from your diet as possible. This probably translates to going mostly vegan, but without saturated fat your body can't manufacture cholesterol. Kinda brutal, but you can drink for another decade or two like this.

(Not a doctor, but someone who got his triglycerides down from 785 to 210 with option 3, and I still drink).

eat only vegetables/whole grains a few days a week. Salads, lentil dishes, all that stuff.

Buy Goya red lentils and make the recipe on the back of the bag. Serve w/ rice.

Get some spinach and romaine. Shave carrots, chop up some cucumbers, add onions. It's a salad. Serve with a dressing you like.

It isn't so hard.

>>8770651
>>8770651
Eat beans you fucking retard.

>>8770775
I was afraid of hearing something like this. Your results sound good though. I'll try to cut back on drinking and the sat fats.

Thanks for giving experienced advice.

>>8770854
To get off the cholesterol meds my doctor had me on I basically had to drop 60lbs and go full vegan for three months. Then I cut the drinking down (a little) and let myself have one or two meals heavy on the sat fat a week. That's been working well for me for about six years now. Though I still eat like a vegan on a day to day basis. It's either stop drinking like I do or take the cholesterol pills if I want to get away from that. Look at Indian and Middle Eastern foods that don't lean on meat or cheese for flavor. There are lots of them. That's what you ought to be eating if you're gonna keep drinking.

>>8770651
Dietary cholesterol intake is not related to blood cholesterol levels. If your cholesterol levels are high despite being "in good shape", then you should consider going on statins or other cholesterol-lowering drugs. Check into side effects, though, I recall hearing about some new risk being discovered a year or two ago. Talk with your physician, or do some in-depth research on the web if you're good at it (not just reading the first scam scare sites from naturopaths, but rather actual medical journal articles from NIH and so on), or do both.

Not to be some hippy, but try a plant based diet for awhile.

>>8770651
>chicken
>breads


Nigga you eating nothing but fried chicken

>>8770651
>bread

gee i wonder what the problem is

Stop eating animal products and refined grains

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Dietary cholesterol has little effect on bodily cholesterol bud.

>>8773134
This is false

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>>8770773
>forgetting to add ajwain, mint, cinnamon, dill and cloves

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>>8772632
having more than 4 drinks at a time or 14 drinks a week is uncivilized, leads to depression, and puts a strain on the socialized medical system we have in the US

>>8773134
The problem is that most foods high in cholesterol are also high in saturated fat, which is the building block your body uses to make cholesterol.
>>8773293
>having more than 4 drinks at a time or 14 drinks a week is uncivilized
My doctor would agree, but that does little to negate the fact that many people manage to live happy, fulfilling lives consuming more like 8 drinks a day. If you're one of them and your cholesterol is high as a result the best advice is this: >>8773126

>>8773245
Stop spreading disinfo.

Statins are worthless too

>>8773245
Unproven does not equal false. There's a difference.

Or you know eat what the fuck you wanna eat and drink pomegranate juice or eat the seeds or go ape shit with garlic and ginger... I eat lots of bacon eggs and steak and my shit is low because of pomegranates

>>8770651
Drinking more hot tea can help lower cholesterol as well

>>8773946
No, it's low because bacon, eggs and steak don't increase cholesterol.

>>8770651
>chicken and breads

They're probably high in POLYUNSATURATED FATS. If you would switch to stuff like beef instead of chicken (but less meat), skim milk (saturated fat... ice cream as well), fruits... you'd be healthier.

Look at Warren Buffet, in his 80's and excellent health eating ice cream and coca cola daily.

High sugar, medium protein, low saturated fat, no polyunsaturated fat is my diet of choice

Read up on "Ray Peat" who explains who polyunsaturated fat (and certain additives like GMO, MSG etc....) is the cause of all major disease today like diabetes, cancer, vision loss, estrogen, low metabolism, dying early, etc.... everything.

>>8774085
this is the most legit post ever written in the past month

>>8770651
oatmeal

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Guys, can you give me a quick rundown on my cholesterol results ? Tested one month ago.

It's in french but you should probably get it.

>>8774085
>certain additives like GMO

>>8774085
>additives like gmo
>msg is bad
This is a bad post

>>8774195
>>8774198
It's mainly the POLYUNSATURATED FAT

avoid that because you absorb every bit of it.

Like Warren Buffet, eat more sugar. Wouldn't that be easier as well as healthier?

>>8774085
>>8774129
WE FINALLY FOUND THE INVERSE KETO

LOL FAD DIETS

>>8774245
Warren Buffet is an NWO operative and you don't belong on this website shill.

>>8774255
There are other examples of people like Ray Peat himself who is not fat and is skinny and 80+

Then there's Gigi Hadid who eats the opposite and she is suffering hypothyroid in her early 20's.

>>8774261
Reptilians can live forever eating garbage and baby humans all day. Begone, canker.

>>8774269
Ok but don't be retarded, i waste my time trying to help and ppl insult me.

/lastpost

>>8774281
>ppl insult me
>being this new to 4chan

Confirmed for reptilian NWO operative. Consider taking a machete to your scaly neck.

>>8774184
h-hello ?

>>8770651
so no vegetables?
eat more vegetables
better yet, eat a shit-ton of vegetables erry day

>>8770651
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=foods+low+in+cholesterol

>>8770651
If you cook a lot of your food in oil, which i assume you do because of the bacon and eggs thing. I would find an alternative my suggestion is butter because dietary cholesterol dosent contribute to levels found in the blood but idk if youll do that. At the very least cut back on the bread and eat oats or potatoes

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/02/why-you-should-no-longer-worry-about-cholesterol-in-food/

>>8770651
>Eating cholesterol raises serum cholesterol

Kek

>>8770651

just drink a lot of wine and don't eat anything

>>8774428
It's hilarious that people still post that shit, even after that portion of the report was rejected as unscientific and never made it into the final guidelines. The current US dietary guidelines recommend keeping cholesterol intake as low as possible while meeting nutrient needs, which is even stricter than the previous ones which stated an upper limit of 300 mg. These new guidelines essentially say that if you can go vegan then you should.

>>8774987
>These new guidelines essentially say that if you can go vegan then you should.
This. If cholesterol is an issue (and you drink like OP) going as vegan as you can stand would do you good.

>>8774428

FUCK OFF SHIT POSTER

Can't go wrong with fish. A fish oil supplement and a few good fish meals in a week. The better end of the frozen stuff isn't the most expensive freezer fair, But if you want the best fish you should ask around farmer's markets. Lots of gardeners are hicks (No judgements, Love these people) and they'll surely know someone who spends the weekends fishing and has some good, fresh fish on the cheap. I once traded an entire cooler of live river bass for a tune up of this old man's computer.

I installed avast and sat around chatting with the guy for like an hour.

>>8772921
Ayyy lmao

You can look at this from two ways, and both are going to be helpful.

The "less" approach involves restricting things that may not be so good for you at this point. Alcohol, processed fatty/sugary foods, simple carbs.

The "more" approach is really for vegetables and fruits. And when I try to eat more things like salads, cooked vegetables, and fresh fruit, I find it harder to eat the "bad" stuff.

If you enjoy cooking, try doing some googling for recipes where vegetables or lentils are the star. Good fiber, expands your talents and your palette, and likely good for your health.

>>8770651

Because you are "eating mostly chicken and bread". Where are the vegetables? When was the last time you touched a pink grapefruit? Or any grapefruit for that matter?

>>8776248
Grapefruit is disgusting

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>>8770775
>Eliminate as much saturated fat from your diet as possible. This probably translates to going mostly vegan, but without saturated fat your body can't manufacture cholesterol. Kinda brutal, but you can drink for another decade or two like this.


source?

>>8770651
total serum cholesterol, while not irrelevant, is not as important as the ratios of hdl to ldl and vldl

many doctors are still living in the 1950s when margarine was healthy and black people had their own drinking fountains so get more detailed with your health appraisal

eat some vegetables too

what's worse? saturated fat cholesterol or sodium?

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Join the society of friends.

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>>8770668
>your problem is the thing that doesnt have any actual cholesterol in it

>>8772632
>Dietary cholesterol intake is not related to blood cholesterol levels

Please kill yourself. You are giving entirely bullshit faulty medical dangerous advice to a person with a legitimate ailment

Go read a fucking a fucking book for once dumbass

>>8773134
>>8773868
>>8773888
Kill yourselves

>>8776376
Are you certain that you're not the one who needs to read a book?

>>8776382
Yes. Your snake oil broscience stupidity has been invalid since the 20s

>>8776388
I think you have it backwards. The "dietary cholesterol intake is not related to blood cholesterol levels" thing is a pretty recent discovery.

>>8776388
It's the opposite, you are falling for the soccer mom "muh high dietary cholesterol" meme.

>>8776396
No. Egg boards have shilling that for decades. Retarded lemmings like you just recently started picking up on it again because of paleo and keto diets

>>8776398
Soccer moms are retards that like to confirm their own biases no matter how stupid wrong in the face they are. You are one of those retards into drunk broke reservation shaman tier homeopathy

Actual anti-science anti-vax tier thinking

>>8776400
You clearly have an emotional investment in this for some reason, I think I'll trust scientists over you, because they are the ones coming out with this, not paleo and keto lemmings.

>>8776388
>>8776409
>>8776400
>not a single argument

Opinion discarded.

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>>8776417
If you trusted scientists you'd be agreeing with me you utter retard

>emotional investment

I'd rather not see Idiocracy coming to fruition because you like listening to Joe Rogan

>>8776418
There is no argument to be made. This is an exercise of retard-shaming.

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>>8776400
>muh egg board

Even the Simpsons made the joke 20 years ago about retards portraying the American Egg Board as something sinister.

>>8770651
Life is only going to get worse from here on out. Might as well keep eating what you like and hope you're lucky enough to die swiftly at a young age from a heart attack instead of living long enough to suffer a hideously slow death from cancer or a neurological disease.

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>>8776427
You're right. I should totally listen to shoddy studies with clear conflicts of interests!

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>>8776426
>If you trusted scientists you'd be agreeing with me you utter retard

But they are saying the opposite of what you're saying.

>>8776368
Yeah, because cholesterol intake isn't the main cause of cholesterol. It's what your body does with what you eat. That's why being afraid of eggs is retarded, the oldest person alive has eaten eggs every day for 100 years

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>>8776432
Except they aren't

>>8776434
>muh unverified anecdote about some old fart

>>8776431
not an argument

>>8776432
Eggs have been considered safe for like 20 years now. Idiots like you are still holding onto a scare that happened in the eighties

>>8776439
That's your opinion

>>8770651
greens , eat a salad with lots of different ingredients . and then put bacon and eggs on top with blue cheese dressing . nom nom

>>8776438
Do you have any proofs?

>>8776438
>muh scientific fact punctuated by an interesting verified anecdote about some old fart

>>8776438
Prove dietary cholesterol raises bodily cholesterol right now cuck. Don't worry, I don't expect a reply ;^)

>>8776443
>Eggs have been considered safe for like 20 years now

According to who? Buzzfeed? LOL

>the eighties

So is Isaac Newton a dumbass because he's like from over 280 years ago?

>>8776324
those are all good things

PUFA's and high fructose corn syrup are the foods that kill people the most

>>8776455
>According to who? Buzzfeed? LOL
Every noteworthy scientific paper written on it since.
And Newton was smart, but he did get things wrong, and you're an idiot to not accept new knowledge thats come forth since. Or are you still a believer in alchemy?

>>8776455
>https://www.buzzfeed.com/toughcookie/lower-your-cholesterol-with-food-ftqu?utm_term=.dtNKdpe6X#.ufPD8nBoq

You are L I T E R A L L Y spouting Buzzfeed bullshit yourself. Fuck off.

>>8776449
Yes. It's called consensus. You are literally the one arguing against established fact

>>8776452
Lmao

>>8776454
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/circulationaha/108/22/2757.full.pdf

The progression of cholesterol intake, cholesterol levels, athersclerotic damage, down to basically basic formulas

I'll await your AuthorityNutrition article

>>8776469
>every noteworthy scientific paper written on it since

That's very cute and all, but Deadspin is not a scientific paper.

>>8776472
That literally isn't me lmao

>>8776469
the national egg board funds studies about eggs that only measure the effect eggs have on fasting cholesterol levels. This is deceptive.

The reality is, when you eat an egg, your cholesterol levels spike while it is being digested. These elevated levels can last for more than an hour. Since americans eat all the time, and eat a high fat diet, our chloresterol levels are always elevated throughout the day, damaging our arteries.

don't eat eggs or high fat dairy or fatty meat.

>>8776481
>Yes. It's called consensus.
Nature, and all other big science journals would like a word

>>8776503
Yeah big science journals get lost you fucking retard lmao

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9001684

We conclude that eggs consumption, in addition to its HYPERCHOLESTEROLEMIC effect, INCREASES plasma and LDL oxidizability, a phenomenon which was shown to enhance the progression of atherosclerosis. The atherogenic properties may contribute to the accelerated atherosclerosis prevalent in populations with HIGH CHOLESTEROL INTAKE

Awfully quiet all the sudden lol

>>8776481
This only states that LDL cholesterol is bad.

>>8776525
>1996

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>>8770651
>breads

>>8776540
>This only states that LDL cholesterol is bad

Gee I wonder what exactly is the dominant force in dietary cholesterol intake then?

>1996
Literally not an argument. Unless you're going to tell me why the heliocentric model is also bullshit

You are a broken record of every single shitty book selling paleo retard

>>8776562
not an argument
nice reddit spacing

>>8770651
>eating mostly chicken and breads
>my cholesterol is apparently at a dangerous level

nigga there is nothing healthy about the mcchicken

>>8776569
>not an argument
Your opinion

>triggered by spacing because he's getting BTFO

Oh sweetie

>>8776283
>without saturated fat your body can't manufacture cholesterol

W O T

Cholesterol synthesis starts with HMG-CoA, which is produced using Acetyl-CoA, the single molecule the entire energy metabolism of the cell converges to. Glucose gets broken down into Acetyl-CoA, aminoacids can be turned into Acetyl-CoA, fatty acids are essentially Acetyl-CoA polymers... Pretty much anything that is even remotely related to ATP will somehow become Acetyl-CoA m8

Think about this shit m8... Steroids are made out of cholesterol. Those are the fucking sex hormones, they're fucking important for the species... Do you actually think those hormones are hard to synthesize? No m8... Any shitty cell can make that shit from shitty ass molecules that are essentially spare carbons... It's the body that willingly and knowingly cripples itself by not expressing the needed enzymes where they're not needed

The body is so good at this shit we have like 80% of all the cholesterol we'll ever need produced by our own cells. THERE IS NO NEED TO EAT CHOLESTEROL. Not only that, there's surplus and it ends up in bile, the body makes useful digestion-enhancing fluid out of it... And we don't shit out the cholesterol either, we reabsorb all that shit back...

So not only are our bodies extraordinarily good at making these fucking molecules, it's also piss poor at getting rid of them

THEY WILL END UP IN YOUR FUCKING BLOOD VESSELS

>>8776762
Fat isn't just randomly suspended in blood... Oil and water don't mix. So the body makes things that are just like water on the outside but are packed to the brim with fat on the inside: lipoproteins.

VLDL and LDL are fat-carrying proteins carried by your blood. They're just cruising around distributing fat to whoever's taking... Until they reach the liver, where they're promptly refueled

These fucking things are chock-full of cholesterol and triglycerides... LD and VLD stand for low density and very low density, implying huge volume... They're xboxhueg trucks filled with fat. If you have too much of these things they somehow end up inside the walls of blood vessels, causing inflammation... Macrophages try to eat them in some kind of heroic effort to free you from this scourge... only to get fucked spectacularly in the process and turn into foam... The whole thing starts building up till it blocks blood flow to your heart... Or they release some debris which promptly goes straight to your brain or lungs where they clog up the small blood vessels and cause a massive bleeding

This shit isn't to be fucked with

>>8776540
>This only states that LDL cholesterol is bad.

It IS bad... LDL carries most of the cholesterol you know? Fuck...

Here's the motherfucking CDC's documentation on the matter

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhanes/nhanes_03_04/l13_c_met_lipids.pdf

These exams measure total cholesterol in your blood. That number includes the cholesterol in all lipoproteins: VLDL, LDL, chylomicrons... Even the cholesterol in the fucking HDL particles, whose one and only job is to clean up the cholesterol built-up in the blood vessel walls, is included in that figure. There's lots of confounding there m8

In practice you actually calculate LDL levels by hand using the formula: LDL = (total - HDL - triglycerides)/5 with the division by 5 representing an estimate of the proportion of cholesterol carried by VLDL

Desirable values of LDL are less than 130 mg/dL in adults and less than 110 mg/dL in children.

That LDL shit better be in order or you're in some deep cardiovascular risk m8

>>8776762
>>8776861
Fug that sounds bad.

What do? Does fasting help with autophagy and scavenging fuel sources and shit?

I don't want to dead.

>>8776979
Thanks medfag. Now try upholding the Hippocratic oath and help the US move up from 37th ranked healthcare, behind every 1st world country and some 3rd world countries.

>>8776368
Wow stop posting any time

Anything that serves as energy to cells is extremely likely to be appropriate substrate for cholesterol biosynthesis... That's because they all reduce to Acetyl-CoA so they can enter the Krebs cycle. That ESPECIALLY includes carbohydrates since people are likely to eat literal fucktons of it, to the point the body doesn't even know what to do with that shit and just makes fat instead since it has to go somewhere... Cholesterol and triglycerides.

Just to make sure there's no misconception, alcohol is also part of the "serves as energy" category

>>8776999
Checked

>What do?

Become /fit/

>>8777012
>upholding the Hippocratic oath

You mean I have to give money to my teachers if they're too poor and teach medicine to their children for free? I can't make money or fuck women either?

Fuck that shit man

>US

kek

>move up from 37th ranked healthcare

Step 1. 20% of the work solves 80% of the problems: train more medics, they don't need to kill themselves in school and know every fucking thing
Step 2. Large scale prevention is cheaper than cure and thus economically favorable
Step 3. Take away people's freedom to be willingly retarded when it comes to their own bodies

>>8773888
I had sex with your whole family.

>>8776283
You're full of shit. Alcohol doesn't produce cholesterol. Alcoholics are notorious for having lipids in their blood controlled by the alcohol.

Don't listen to this idiot.
t. Autopsy assistant

>>8770651
The bread has carbs which cause damage to your artery walls. The cholesterol is basically scabbing over and trying to heal those parts.

Cut back on the bread, mate.

>>8776979
Only certain populations have to watch for this. 75% of people have no reason to worry about dietary cholesterol and have good HDL response to increased LDL. People with diabeetus do have to watch their cholesterol.