Hi /ck/- my $20 tj max no-name non-stick shit the bed, as does

mafter bourgeat

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>>8728644
>M'steel

Just buy a Mauviel and be done with it. Buy once cry once or keep buying cheap shit and replacing it.

>>8729463
Nonstick gets raped by high heat and metal utensils.

Carbon steel is impervious to both, but he'll have to learn to use it.

>>8728644
I'm not one to really care for fancy ass pans. But I'd expect most basic pans to last you around 2 years at least before needing to add a little be extra oil

>>8729463
*I'm* not the one raping my pans. And short of bringing the hammer down on my wife and children, I need a more durable nonstick solution. I don't have to worry about them ruining the seasoning with soap, but I can't get them to stop with the metal utensils and jamming them all in the pot/pan drawer and getting all jacked up

>>8728644

I bought a 15 dollar tfal nonstick 10 years ago and its still going strong. I even run it through the dishwasher from time to time.

How much do you retards abuse your nonstick? Do you not own silicon spatulas?

>>8728644
Buy cast iron you stupid faggot. With the right maintenence,they can last you years. I've had mine for 4 years and it still cooks 10 times better than any non stick shit my parents have. Cast iron is also a healthier way of frying.

>Buy a nice, large De-Buyer carbon steel skill
>Can't fucking get the spray on wax or whatever off
>Try scrubbing
>Try soaking in literally boiling water
>Try barkeep's friend
>Finally try baking it off
>Manage to get 80% of it off afterwards using barkeeps friend and so much scrubbing the entire scouring side of a heavy-duty sponge is completely gone
>Can't be assed to do the outside of the pan besides the bottom

What in the FUCK

>>8729964
Vinegar and a brillo pad takes it right off

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>>8729964

>>8729563
This. All of my nonstick pans are hand-me-downs with 10+ years on them. They have some scratches but nothing bad. Also, I run them in the dishwasher everytime too.

>>8731011
that's pretty impressive and not my experience with extensive cooking. makes me think you don't cook often enough.