>travelling around Japan >make friends with professional

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Other knives he had for sale.

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The workshop.

Literally a streetside shop. I walk standing on the sidewalk taking this photo.

couldn't be bothered to polish it eh?

>>8611511
He was japanese not polish

>>8611511
I dig the rough look

>>8611511
he's been doing it for 7 decades faggot, I think he might know a bit more about knives than you

>>8611443
You bought obsolete antique garbage for a high price, except it isn't an antique. Its a modern replica, AKA fake.
Its not valuable. Its not useful either. You got ripped off. Enjoy your classic fake of what technology was cool a hundred years ago. Substandard in design, materials, and manufacturing.

>>8611443
But how many times did he fold it?

forderd over a mirrion timesu

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>>8611511
it's called kurouchi, or blacksmith finish. Though OPs looks shittily done desu.

It helps keep foods from sticking to the blade when you cut.

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>>8611552
>$15 is expensive

>>8611552
>a high price

Hey everybody, get a look at the poorfag

>>8611576

I think they cheat a bit when it looks that good, it's probably more enamel than pure black scale from heat treatment.

>>8611552
Nice bait. Kys yourself

>>8611625
That particular blade is a nice ~$400 Aogami super, so it's probably mostly legit black scale. Maybe enamel touchup.

>>8611552
I knew millenials were doing shitty in life but $15 being expensive is like somalia tier poor

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>>8611472
You got some chubby fingers, boy

>>8611668
>something something PEARL HARBOR something something
jesus christ

>>8611668
I'm trying to think of a more unlikable person than you. Help me out here...

>>8611687
something something ATOMIC BOMBS something something

Not sorry, would bomb again

And nobody cares about OP's tourist gift shop vacation

>>8611668

There are people that unironically have this world view. That scares me a little.

>>8611552
You heard it heard it here, knives are obsolete and not useful.

>>8611668
Dude I'm pretty sure we avenged Pearl Harbor quite well with two nukes. PH was like being jabbed by a thumbtack in comparison. Like there's no reason to be upset anymore.

>>8611657
what on earth makes that knife (blade) worth $400?

>>8611699
I for one prefer this over mcchicken thread #23054

>>8611668
He liked my guts enough to knock 200yen off the price.

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>>8611722

>>8611740
Its still nothing more than a refrigerator magnet to remind you of your AWESOME trip.
Did you talk about the war? Did he apologize on his knees? I expect nothing less.

>>8611716
Firebombing killed more ppl

>>8611753
Yeah, but firebombing is so cliche. And it takes days. Nukes are just so stylish and chic

>>8611716
the death of innocents by savages should never be forgiven. japan will never be forgiven

>>8611748
Most people that aren't soulless automatons do enjoy having keepsakes from their trips abroad. For $15 that's a pretty awesome keepsake. And unlike the vast majority of touristy kitsch, it can actually be used.

You, for example, can use it to neck yourself

>>8611766
>using a knife to hang yourself

Desu, I...

>>8611801
You gotta admit, it gets the job done

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>>8611702

Pretty sure he's fucking shitfaced. It's pretty common on here.

>>8611521
Heh.

I want this Korean/Chink to pls go

>>8611722
Autism

Where in Japan was this? What knife were you using before?

>>8611817
Fuck off, retard.

>>8611872
Outside Miyazaki city. And none, I'm a backpack traveller.

>>8611881
Alcoholism is nothing to scoff at anon.

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>>8611722
>what on earth makes that knife (blade) worth $400?

Craftsmenship and the fact you can't really make a copy of that blade in the US.

Here is a $1,400 blade. The blade smith who makes them only makes ~5-10 per year for the US market.
This particular blade is also a Honyaki blade, which means it is smithed in the same fashion as traditional samurai blades from a single block of steel this gives it the mirror finish and provides strength, This technique is very difficult to master as any fuck ups in the manufacturing process will ruin the finished product.


For some of the more exotic super steels (HAP40, ZDP-189, etc) you can expect to pay similar high price tags, $500-1000+. This particular blade is Aogami #2 steel, a nicer super steel would likely make this cost upwards of $1,800.

>>8612518
hope that dude has a fall back of some kind that's not a lot of money relative to the amount of time that went into making it and level of skill required to make it.

>>8612536
He only makes 5-10 of THOSE blades for the US per year, he makes hundreds of cheaper blades, and plenty of higher end blades for the domestic japanese market.

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>>8611584

>$200 is expensive

>>8611443
so, um, why didn't you buy all of them and then re-sell them in the big city for $200 a pop?
>spend $120
>sell for $1600
>reap the profits

>>8612586
Because it's a cheap ass knife made to look similar to the nicer $200+ knives.

It's not a BAD knife, but just looking at it you can see it's not a super clean grind, the profile isn't bad, but not one i'd prefer personally.


Also, what kind of core steel is it? Does it have a stainless steel cladding? Has it got a reactive cladding that requires more care? Etc. etc.

With this knife, who knows.

Knife autism threads on this board are hilarious. You guys are such dorks.

>>8612591
>>8612586
There are a lot of people selling low-tier kurouchi knives with soft iron cladding and blue steel core on the internet from no-name smiths, $40-60 is the going rate for ok examples

Op's knives look incredibly amateurish which explains the silly low price

Not being able to see the life makes it hard to be sure, but OP's knife looks like cheap construction and probably not worth much more than what he paid for it.

The difference is, it's Japanese and exotic, so it looks cooler to us than our own shitty knives available for that price.

No one in their right mind would pay $200 for that. It looks mass-produced but if an old man made it than enjoy it.

How does it handle and cut? How does the edge hold?

>>8611443
where was this, id love to go there

>>8612657
>for that price
It was $15, what we get for that price is old hickory or dexter

This is probably equivalent to old hickory but with a higher Rockwell

>>8612667
There are dozens of long historied smiths in japan, some stretching back over 800 years of craftsmen.

If you have a REAL interest in smithing and Japanese blade smithing specifically i'd recommend trying to visit one of the nicer blade shops, though i'd 100% recommend going outside of tokyo, as that's where all the expensive overpriced stuff will mainly be.

>>8611443
Looks almost as good as my $35 stamped knife.

>>8612518
The question is, does its sharpness last, or will you end up dulling it to worthlessness after a few years?

>All these mugs replying to a weeaboo fantasist thread
Sage.

>>8612757
Its meant to be sharpened anon. It will holds it's edge much longer than most steels, as it is Aogami #2 which is a good quality high carbon steel known for edge retention and sharpness.


No knife will last forever without needing to be resharpened. If you aren't confident enough to do it yourself, spend the ~$20 to get it professionally sharpened once a year.

>>8612518
>Honyaki gives a mirror finish
Not how it works bro

Mirror finish comes from polishing

Honyaki tends to be polished more than some other production methods for the same reason they have the nicest handles: they're high end products and it's expected

>>8612762
>having a passport is an absurd internet lie much like a backflip into my Lamborghini
Never change, /NEET/

>>8612779
To be fair, you'll rarely see a Honyaki blade that isn't mirror polished.

>>8612801
Right, just as you won't see one with a shitty thermoplastic handle. But it's not because of the forging method

OPs knife looks to be iron alloy, i.e. not stainless steel, making it a softer metal which is much easier to sharpen and hone, but requires sharpening more frequently and requires to be dried completely after washing/using to prevent rust. If you have sharpening stones, these knives are easier to keep razor sharp. But the whole hurr I have true Japanese kitchen knife like I'm a samurai with superior metal is fucking dumb

>>8611443
What a beauty

>>8612875
>i.e. not stainless steel
Shirogami #1 and 2, Aogami #1, 2, and Aogami super are all high carbon steels that aren't stainless and they're all capable of 60+ HRC

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>>8611443
>superior steel folded more than 1000 times

>>8612875
>>8612884
#rekt

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>>8611443
I too love japanese knives!
VG-10 16 layer damascus 9.25" Gyuto and 5.3" Petty knife

>>8612518
Just like most Japanese shit, its all about brand and hype instead of quality. Im not saying its not a good knife, but people act like Japanese $100 knives are 10x better than $100 knives when they might be 5% better. Same shit with sushi. People outside of Japan can make sushi of the literal exact same quality that nobody could distinguish for 10% of the price, but people fall for the Japanese hype and assume they're some kind of wizard craftsmen with ungodly powers.

>>8612980
no one's saying they're functionally miles beyond western knives. It's not purely about function it's an appreciation for the aesthetic and the craftsmanship that went into making them. The rest is sort of romanticism but it's not a bad thing.

>>8613099
Fucking this, 3/4 of the people who are buying these expensive knives know for a fact a stainless steel stamped blade would generally be acceptable for daily use, but they are buying the craftsmanship, paying for the art and traditional craft.

>>8612980
I assume that's a typo and the second $100 was missing a zero, but no, nobody acts like that, speedy. We're talking about a $15 knife here, and you got triggered because it's from the wrong country

You're like that guy who starts raving about how wine is a conspiracy to make him feel uncultured, upon overhearing a conversation about a $10 bottle of Cono Sur

>>8612964
>VG-10
Absolutely disgusting

>>8611478
GPS coordinates of shop? OP pls!

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>>8611472
>2500 yen is $22.30

>>8613125
VG-10 is a meme steel. If you get a jap knife it should be a carbon steel otherwise there's no point

>>8611472
Should have also bought the second from the right.

>>8612875
>i can tell the difference between iron alloys and steel by looking at this picture
Are you a fucking metallurgist?

>>8613702
Actual quote
> have true Japanese kitchen knife like I'm a samurai with superior metal is fucking dumb
this is retard for "don't listen to me"

>>8613189
Man, I couldn't tell you. It was somewhere close to the Aoshima Shrine beach.

>>8613905
Just retrace steps on street view.

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Grind

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Stamp.

The metal was lacquered before sharpening.

Unhealthy weeaboo obsession.

>>8614134
What's unhealthy about it?

>>8614127
Jesus, that's a bad kurouchi

And the lacquering is just going to make it harder to scrape off

>>8612875
>iron alloy, i.e. not stainless steel,
What the fuck are you blathering about?

Stainless steel is an iron alloy. So is every other sort of steel. All steels are iron alloys. That's the whole fucking definition of what steel is: iron plus carbon plus small amounts of other elements to fine-tune the properties, like chromium for rust resistance, molybdenum and vanadium for hardness, sometimes even lead to make it easy to machine.

>>8613702
He doesn't even know that stainless steel is an iron alloy, apparently, so I'm guessing no.

>>8611472
why not just buy one of the knives with the nicer finish, I would've bought the 3rd and 4th from the right if I were you

>>8611552
>TIL 15 dollars is a high price.
off yourself faggot

>>8612980

Just admit that you know absolutely nothing about knives, knife making, metallurgy, or how much labor would go into hand-making a knife like the one he posted instead of mindlessly blathering on about shit you have not the slightest clue about.

The forging method and mirror polishing alone add up to enough labor to explain most of that price, as both are astronomically labor intensive.

>>8614509
>The forging method and mirror polishing alone add up to enough labor to explain most of that price, as both are astronomically labor intensive.
It's like the morons who can't fathom how a violin, cello, or similar wooden instrument could cost thousands of dollars, tens of thousands for the higher end products.

>It's just wood

While ignoring the hundreds of hours dedicated to learning and mastering the craft, on top of the time invested in that particular instrument.

>>8612875
>Carbon steel is softer than stainless
Kill yourself, retard

>>8614492
Yeah, I'm considering going back to buy one of those, too.

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Buy American (if you can afford it)

"Kramer initially sold his knives in the conventional fashion: $150 for an 8-inch chef's knife in 1995, $125–$225 in 2000, $475 in 2008. After a 2008 article in Cook's Illustrated that deemed his 8-inch chef's knife to have "outperformed every knife we've ever rated"[1] Kramer began selling by a waiting list. Finally, As of 2017, the knives are sold by auction only. At auction a new handmade knife by Kramer cost $30,000 in 2015, as much as 100 mass-produced knives mass-produced with similar materials to his specifications.

A handmade blade by Kramer was displayed as part of a juried art exhibition at Bellevue Arts Museum in 2016–2017.[6] His knives are especially known for their fine Damascus steel patterns and exotic wood handles and "heirloom quality" polishing and finishing.[5] Chef Christopher Kimball has called a Kramer chef's knife his "most prized tool"."

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>>8614572

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>>8614579

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>>8614579

>"Damascus" patterned tongs

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>>8614588

>>8614572
'Heirloom quality"

You knifetards need to go outside or something.

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>>8614595

Bark River steak knives

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>>8614599

>>8614599
Yup.
It's a knife.

That's pretty cool anon.
What are you guys on about in this thread anyways?

>>8614605
>>8614599
It pisses me off to no end when I get a dull steak knife at a steak house, god damn. And they're almost always shittily balanced in the hand.

>>8614599

BRK burn the shit out of their edges by power-grinding them mercilessly with no active liquid cooling, and obstinately continue to do so after having been told repeatedly it burns edges.

Their products should be avoided as a result.

>>8611443
>Go on Amazon
>Type "Kiwi knife"
>Two days later the UPS man drives to a remote part of Texas
>Get it delivered for $9

I can blog too.

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>>8614605

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>>8614619

>>8614127
>lacquer
Not a fan of that at all. Fake kurouchi-style finish

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>>8614621

>>8614625
I like the spalted handle but the oversized stamp on the blade is too much for me... and the lanyard hole is unnecessary.

>>8614624
and garbage quality as well. Not even close to attractive.

>>8614610
Why in god's name wouldn't you bring your own? I do. A dull knife ruins the entire experience. If I have that happen, I then, after fucking my date, have to go home and beat my wife. I just started bringing my own to keep from bruising my knuckles.

>>8614630

Some countries literally arrest you for carrying a knife.

I am a prep cook at a pizzaria. I use a shun sora. It feels a bit too light and the rock seems very small but i am not very experienced. I like it and is the cheapest shun i saw. My coworker has the next level up and my head chef has the executive. They both seem to have small handles but they both have better rocking motion.

https://shun.kaiusaltd.com/knives/knife/sora-chefs-knife

It does great with small things but almost wish i had the 6inch and another bigger one.

>>8614637
I heard the standard Opinels are illegal to carry in France because they have locking mechanisms and are over 3".

lol Opinels illegal in France. Fucking pathetic. Meanwhile Mudslimes are killing French citizens left and right with automatic rifles and trucks.

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>>8614642

>>8614572
Overpriced trash. Knives don't need fancy carved wood handles and any bladesmith claiming to work with Damascus steel is automatically full of shit.

>>8614642
I have the Shun 8" classic chef knife and really like it.

My parents have an 11-piece Shun set and I'm so jelly every time I'm over and use it.

>>8614643
>>8614637
please go back to /k/, you retards. no one gives a shit that you're too autistic to go outside "unarmed" (brotip: if you need a weapon get an actual gun and quit fucking around with your cargo pants full of stupid griptilian tactical folding lockback cold steel ninja warrior stealth tantos, and since guns are weapons they belong on /k/, now don't come back to /ck/ until you're ready to talk about FOOD AND COOKING knives)

>>8614645
>>8614642
Shuns are nice mass produced blades and because of that they can be had for a decent price with good quality manufacturing.

I'm not a personal fan of their cheaper stuff, but I also prefer Aogami Super steel in my primary chefs knife.

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>>8614657
>Triggered

>>8614657

>being a retard who can't read the thread

>>8614669
>but why didn't he read the thread? Everyone must be interested in my persecution complex! the big gubmint wants to take my "self defense weapons" away

Confirmed for being in high school

>>8614657
>>8614681
So you think banning famed 3+" ring-lock knives in the country they are manufactured in is rational?

>>8614681
So you've proven that you really can't read the thread, seeing as we've been talking about taking your own steak knife to a restaurant instead of using the dull trash they provide..

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>>8614681
You're right anon, let's talk of vegetables.

>>8614689
I think if a 3" ring lock knife is your "cooking knife" you've already made a big mistake
>>8614690
stop going to outback and you won't need a special carbon steel blade stropped on horse butt to cut through that microwaved hockey puck

>>8614715
Do you not use a paring knife?

>>8614733
do you not clean your knives?

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>>8614742
Wat?

>>8614742
What kind of autistic non-sequitur is this?

>>8614749
hint: when some people say "cooking" they mean something that involves eew yuckee like raw ingredients (it might make you sick!)

not just ripping open MRE packages with your tactical lockback ninja tanto, or kawaii opinel, or whatever it is you carry around all day like a sperg

>>8614764

Anon do you have something you'd like to share with us? Where did the opinel touch you?

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>>8614764
You realize I'm a different guy, but I regularly cut raw food with my EDC knife, and clean both my primary and backup carry knives. If I have a neck or boot knife, I clean it weekly. My kitchen knives are cleaned after every use. I rotate all my knives and use them for multiple tasks.

>I wrote that just like that to piss you off

Toodles.

>>8614770
by the handle, as it should.

but I think I see where you're going with this, probably some
>hurr he's afriad of inanimate objects and hates opinel don't tread on me OPERATOR OPERATOR
no you fucking tard, I use my opinel for what it's meant for: cutting stuff I'm not going to eat.

use the right tool for the job and you won't have to worry about big gubmint nanny statists taking away your ninja toys. for starters, because kitchen knives belong in the kitchen, not the front pocket of your cargo shorts.

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>>8614772
>EDC
this is autist for: I have abandonment issues so I carry around too much stuff "just in case"

I don't even want to imagine what the inside of your home looks like

>>8614775
>Using pocket carry for a kitchen knife
>Not having a tactical kydex sheath with MOLLE attachments

Kek. Also, we've already been through all this, /k/ is here to stay.

>>8614786
I only have pics before the remodel, it's modest, but nice, large safe and workbench in the sideroom. It's kind of neat, because I repurpose a lot of stuff, you know since I'm not the cartoon character you cooked up in your head.

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>>8614715
>>8614786
>>8614788
>Not EDCing a paring knife in a kydex sheath

Plebs.

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I usually keep them in Fast Access mode, especially when its Steak Night

what the fuck I take a bath and my thread goes full /k/ommando

Anyway, I'll ask my friend to drive me back so I can buy the 3800yen polished model.

>>8614786
>EDC
>this is autist for: I have abandonment issues so I carry around too much stuff "just in case"
I always have a knife on me because I'm a mycologist and always on the lookout for fungi. A knife also has many other useful functions.

While I cringe at the people who fantasize about using their knives or firearms to kills people and save the day, carrying a knife is a good tool to have. Unless your world is constrained to office-car-home.

>>8615030
Might as well pick up one of the 4000 yen models too.

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>>8611478
I would love to be harnessed to this thing and anally destroyed over several days.

>>8615280
Those are more like short swords than actual knives.

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>>8615284
>Jiro Dreams of Booty IV: The Anal Destruction of Takashi Ono

>>8615301
Is it a yanagiba or whatever?

Are you visiting or do you live in Japan? If you are just visiting, I'd buy a bunch of cool knives. Maybe go to different higher-end places.

The knife you posted may not be amazing, but at worst it's a nice $15 souvenir. If it is sharp, holds an edge and is nice to use, it's a good knife. Period.

>>8615323
NO IT ISNT IT IS MADE FROM METAL ALLOY

>>8612518
>Craftsmenship and the fact you can't really make a copy of that blade in the US.
You don't actually think this do you?

>>8615594
Even importing Aogami #2 is difficult because Hitachi doesn't sell to american companies, and they certainly aren't selling to individual blade smiths.

If you DO manage to get the proper steel in the US, you still have never worked with it before and are going off of what you've read, and your experiences with other steels more common in the US.

Good luck making a Honyaki with a nearly perfect mirror polish on your first attempt ever working with Aogami higher carbon steel.

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>>8615594

>>8615284
How can I tell you are Northern European?

>>8611478
That is fucking cool. I might have to go to Japan just to find shit like this

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>>8612980
I've literally never had "good" sushi in all my travels that wasn't made by a Jap. Even a good chunk of Jap sushi sucks ass. The best a Korean of god forbid a Chink has made sushi was "decent" for the US.

Japs are brand whores but they are also quality whores. If a brand doesn't live up to its name those ruthless housewives will make it their personal business to spread the word far and wide until the business goes up in flames and the owner commits sudoku in disgrace.

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I am not a weaboo. In fact I despise Japan, and the Japanese, my grandmother was a propaganda designer during WW2 who used to draw images of Japanese soldiers with slanty eyes, eating babies. She invented the slogan 'If you see a Jap, hide your Pikachu under your cap'. The point is, Jap hate runs in my blood

Yet I can admit, readily, that Japanese steel is the greatest steel in the entire world. It is simply, naturally and through culture, of a higher quality.

The first thing is nature. The steel in Japan, in its raw form, grows in the cold mountain peaks, unlike in most countries where steel is found in the flatland areas. Therefore, it has not been exposed to the millenia of flooding, trampling and irrigation that western steel has, allowing it a far more pure unprocessed form. As with food, with steel, unprocessed is better.

Japanese steel is also better because of history. Steal has not really been important in western history as we have always focussed more on metals like aluminium, iron, and americum than steal. Steal has been a vital part of Japanese culture, because of the Samurai and therefore they have come to respect it and know what good steal looks like. Did you know that they don't even have steal cut oats in Japan, because the steal is so sharp it cuts the oats too finely and they can't be eaten. That is why Japan eats rice.

I would drop 10,000 dollars on a knife like that OP. I am humbled by your presence, and bow my head to you in a show of great Onigiru.

How sharp is it, OP?

>>8611558
ONE TOUSANDARU TIMESUE

>>8611478
>7 decades
>workshop looks like this
>products look like that

either you were lied to or this guy is terrible at his job

>>8615836
Razor fucking sharp. Sharper than my axe, and I'm Scandinavian.

>>8615877
>yeah muh axe is so sharp dats cuz im scandinavian lol vikings valhalla thor epic
"muh hurrtidge" americans are so embarrassing

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>>8615833
>Did you know that they don't even have steal cut oats in Japan, because the steal is so sharp it cuts the oats too finely and they can't be eaten. That is why Japan eats rice.

>>8615882
No m8, I'm actually Scandinavian. Denmark, born and raised.

I have a hand smithereens Hultafors hatchet that I keep sharp enough to shave with. And this knife is sharper.

>>8615833
As with food, with steel, unprocessed is better.

Flooding and trampling has nothing to do with steel quality you fucking rice-shit. And processed is always better, cunt.

Japan is well known for having the worst steel in the world. It's through having the worst steel they perfected some of the best techniques to create some of the best steel, and also due to their diverse and competitive market in the modern world.

Fuck off weeb trash.

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>>8615882
all 4chin posters I disagree with are 'murican.

time to kill yourself, faggot

>>8615960
kek, triggered amerishart

>>8615882
u look like an asshole right now

>>8615967
>I better post back he insulted me
>posts exactly what I said

Baited

>>8611552
15 bucks is not even close to expensive, even if it's just for garbage.

>>8615978
welcome to 4chan where people boast about how they can totally afford to spend more than $15 on a hamburger, but then in the next sentence shriek about the overpriced $15 knives

>>8611472
Blacksmith here
>70 years
hahaha
no

Also, only option is third from right if I absolutely HAD to

>>8615833
True real Damascus Steel is better
Even indian wootz steel is better
B-BUT MUH ANIMAYS
Get educated faggot

>>8615997
cringe

>not using valyrian steel knives in 2017

Stay pleb, loser.

>>8616001
I bet you don't even cook

>>8616005
>cook
>damascus steel
cringed harder

>>8615997

You know absolutely nothing about steel, metallurgy and knives. Go away.

>>8615833
Nice

>>8615795
I was in Japan once and while walking down an alley in Hiroshima late at night, a little drunk, I passed a shop that produced tatami (mats). There was an old guy making them by hand while every other place was closed. It was pretty cool.

I really want to visit Japan again, it was a lot of fun. If I was a perma-virgin NEET I would go over there to teach English and bang Japanese girls

>>8616101
There's a lot of stuff in Asia like this, Japan is just particularly nonthreatening because literally nothing bad can happen to you unless you really go stupidly out of your way to do it, and even then, it's quite an achievement when you succeed.

Also let's face it who doesn't love anime and sushi and ninjas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jREHGCty8Vo

>>8616101
>If I was a perma-virgin NEET I would go over there to teach English
you need a Bachelors

>>8616109
I'm sure most people on 4chan have a Bachelors? I always figured most people here were undergrad shut-ins.

>>8616108
I've only been to Japan and Thailand as far as Asian travel. I like Thai food more but preferred Japan overall.

>>8616123
>undergrad shut-ins.
people finish degrees then become neet? why? what a waste of money.

>>8616128
I'm only hypothesizing.

But I can see lots of these asocial, inexperienced, anxious-ridden losers going to university after high school because of social or family expectations, dropping out or finishing and basically moving back home and doing nothing/working menial jobs.

There are lots of students on 4chan and I can't imagine the bulk of them (e.g. /pol/tards) being able to succeed in life due to stunted social skills and intense selfishness/lack of empathy/delusions of grandeur.

>>8616141
thats so sad i feel sorry for your family. you must have been a disappointment.

>>8616144
Sorry, I must have hit too close to home.

>>8616153
:( i cant even talk to my parents anymore. 40 thousand spent on my degree and i cant even go outside T_T. i just pretend that im sleeping when my dad yells at me. all my parents do is yell now :(

>>8616158
Get some lanolin for that ass chap.

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>>8615312

>>8615312
>>8616184
that made me lol harder than it should have

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>>8616188
> I ACCIDENTALLY A PREVIOUS VERSION BECAUSE MORON

>>8615833
Fucking spot on.

>>8611443
That looks like it's worth about $15, so I'd say the price was about right.

>>8616128
this is me right now

>>8615600
What makes jap steel thousands of dollars better than the various tool steels we commonly have?

>>8618762
What do you mean? You can find any number of examples of 1095 or 1084 or AEB-L that are made in the US by custom blade smiths, and they'll easily reach $1000+

>>8618767
You're the one singing praises about Japanese steel and how Americans can't get it, you tell me why it matters. Probably shouldn't have said thousand dollars knives, for some reason I associate best value for money with American and European as opposed to Japanese tools.

I do not claim to be an expert, but I know a little about the grading and how quenching, chromium, and carbon content affect brittleness, hardness, and corrosion. So where's the magic?

>>8618819
It's more that most western kitchens will have a cheap stamped steel blade that costs $20-40.
Whereas in japan, it's not all that difficult to find a smith selling good quality traditional blades for similar prices, that just doesn't happen in the US however, the traditional hand crafted blades are reserved for the higher end $300+ knives.

The magic is in the craftsmanship. You're paying someone to spend potentially dozens of hours shaping, grinding, polishing, etc using traditional methods.

Also, because their culture really emphasis passing down accumulated craft knowledge to the younger generation, many smiths have undergone intense study and training over many years from a master smith who did the same, stretching back 600+ years.

At a certain point, it is no longer about just the function of the blade, but the attention to detail, and the quality of the work done.


Lets be real here, we are talking about minute differences in different steel properties and their forging methods and how it effects the final product, will there be some performance differences? Sure, but no matter what at a certain level, you can expect a good blade with good steel that if treated properly will cut extremely well. This goes for 1095, 1084, S30/60/90v, Aogami, Shirogami, etc, etc.


I personally enjoy the craft of traditional Japanese blades, so I personally own a classic single bevel Kiritsuki made of Shirogami #2. But I freely admit there are tons of blades with similar characteristics for far less.


tldr; you're paying more for the craft than the performance.

>>8618874
>>8618819
Also just to add, i'm not the original anon, just tossing in my $0.02.

>>8618874
Alright, I get that it's not purely about performance, but what do the old methods do that the usual doesn't, given that modern steel is relatively high quality and doesn't need to be folded a bunch?

>>8618909
Wait, I phrased that slightly wrong. You seem to be suggesting no structural benefits, but if I'm wrong feel free to correct me. Why does this kind of crafting appeal to you?

>>8611552
Dumb bitch.

I've had some Pakistan-made Buck 110-knockoff for at least 10 years. I've used it lots and it's been my daily companion for 4-5 years. It has enormous sentimental value and while I can get it razor-sharp, it doesn't hold an edge very well and isn't the prettiest or best made knife.

But I like the signs of wear and age on it, dutifully treat the wood scales with a mineral oil-beeswax blend, give it a good clean monthly, and keep it sharp. Every year or so I replace the braided flagging tape tied to it (so I don't lose it in the bush).

I received an amazing custom Buck 110 a couple months ago. It's a beautiful knife with a great S30V blade, but I haven't used it much so I don't have an emotional attachment to it yet.

People with gearhead mentalities can be pretty insufferable. They seem to forget what a knife really is and its purpose. It's a sharp object meant to cut. It's not some glorified artifact meant to be put on display or occasionally used to cut 20 ft of rope as a test of its potential. They are pedantic people who probably don't even use knives often, simply treat it as a collectible hobby and take it to the OCD level that takes the fun out of it for most people.

>>8611716
No it wasn't. PH wasnt just some minor base, its where basically the entire Navy was stationed

>>8615600
>If you DO manage to get the proper steel in the US, you still have never worked with it before and are going off of what you've read, and your experiences with other steels more common in the US.
It's not like it's a fucking secret like Damascus steel, someone could easily figure it out. There are definitely experts on japanese steelmaking in the US that could do as good a job as some elderly backcountry nip hick.

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>>8611443
>>8614127
Your knife appears to have fake, painted-on kurouchi.

Here's a couple examples of what a kurouchi finish ought to look like. The amount of surface roughness depends on the blacksmith, but it's generally an even finish intrinsic to the metal, which is then partially removed during blade grinding.

>>8614134
How is it any worse than "muh guns"?

>>8619339
not him but why did you randomly bring up guns?

>>8619363
Because you don't really see anyone unrightfully lash out at people who treasure their firearms and know a lot about them because they're a deeply western thing. And there are a lot of gun owners on 4chan, thanks to /k/. Why are knives somehow different?

>>8619363
The same kinds of manchilds who obsess over knives tend to obsess over guns and plastic waifus.

>>8619370
>Because you don't really see anyone unrightfully lash out at people who treasure their firearms and know a lot about them
Yes you do. They're called liberals and 4chan has a lot of those on here.

>End of the world + 5
>not cutting your ingredients with a macuahuitl

>>8619204
You mean pacific fleet. Also
>2500 military deaths @ ph
>200.000 indiscriminately killed civilians
>but Japan is mean!
I get it, total war and all that, but, could you try sounding more murican? Christ

inb4 but atrocities

>>8619363
Because /ck/ is half normal people and half batshit crazy soccermomtraps, this thread was bound to be derailed from the moment something metal was posted.

>>8619376
>walk into police station with a ski mask and an AR-15 and a bandolier and body armor
>waah waah mommy why are the mean liberals lashing out at me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr6zQLvPMpw

They're called "police officers" and they're "lashing out" because you're a mentally ill attention whore who doesn't have enough common sense to leave the guns at home

>>8620254
>first person to mention or even reference open carry
>histrionic moron crying about it and projecting so hard that it's in Imax 3d widescreen with surround sound.
Yep, checks out.

>>8620254
Like shitposting clockwork.

Cure souvenir, it probably cuts as well as any other knife. Only morons pay more than 20 for a fucking kitchen utensil.

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今では珍しい村の鍛冶屋さんみたいなんやな
仕上げは荒いけど刃物としての性能は間違いないと思うよ

>>8620323
I bet he feels satisfied by the end of the workday.
Comfy/10

>>8619220
Damascus steel isn't really a secret, it's just a forgotten method. For all intents and purposes it can be replicated.

>>8619254
>Your knife appears to have fake, painted-on kurouchi.
>>8619254
That's my one complaint with OP's knife. Who wants a lacquered kurouchi? Just seems lazy and cheap.

>>8620513
anyone who brings up the performance of "damascus steel" in a discussion about modern kitchen cutlery can be safely ignored

the only time the term should come up is when colloquially using the term "damascus" to mean pattern welding done for decorative purposes, and beware of the tards who will fly off the handle and start ranting that it's a scam and it's not "real damascus steel"

>>8620336
I bet he's a good husband.
Honestly it looks a bit too comfy, the greatest craftsmen are not well adjusted.

>>8611443
You shouldn't have came to /ck/ to "show off" OP, it must have ruined your excitement because your knife is an average cheapie that can be found all over Japan.

Rustic blade, shitty ho-wood handle with plastic ferrule, stamped/burned Kanji on the handle, these are all over Japan and can be found cheap in grocery stores.

And suddenly everyone on a chinese cartoon forum know more about knives than a blacksmith.

Not defending or anything desu, but I really doubt that any of us has much saying on the matter.

>>8620739

Lol. You really have very little idea of how much some posters know about knives and metallurgy here.

>>8620739
The varnish kurouchi is pretty whack. The knife looks a bit rough overall, but for all we know it may be a quality blade.

>>8611760
>the death of innocents by savages should never be forgiven.
But Japan did forgive America.

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>>8613114
I think you'll find It's spelt connoisseur.

>>8611443
>Anon wants handmade Japanese kitchen knife
>Anon gets handmade Japanese kitchen knife
>y'all fuckers start reeing

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>>8620797
That implys Japan is innocent.

loli and tentacles, need i say more?

>>8618929
He's essentially saying that each region has high grade steel but they're all about the same price, so if you're getting a knife at this price point everything else is subjective.

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>>8620522
There are a handful of smith's who do more advanced Damascus forging.

I know HHH knives are one of the few smith's in the US doing a fully stainless steel Damascus.

>>8621099
it looks nice but there's no advantage and theoretically it's much worse. different steels require different heat treatment processes, different steels is fine if you're going for a harder edge and a softer/tougher spine, like with a honkasumi type blade where the entire edge is one steel and the spine is another, but bad news if it's pattern welded throughout the blade

>>8621110
I've never used one or held one, I've just read the technique he uses is very difficult to do properly and took years to get to the point he was confident selling them.

>>8621117
yeah no shit it's difficult, he took raw materials with a carefully documented set of procedures for optimal usage, and using them "wrong" in order to produce a decorative effect. reinventing the wheel, essentially.

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>>8621129
Yea I suppose, but you can't deny the looks

>>8616037
>MUH CHINK SHIT

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>>8612763
>once a year
I know a lot of people who come to /ck/ don't cook much, but I doubt there are many people who don't cook much and want to spend 1.5k on a chefs knife.

>>8622338
Alton brown sends his knives out to get professionally sharpened once a year.

Do you think you use your knives more often than Alton brown?

>>8622338
inb4 but I bashed it against a rod once a month so it's ok, honing isn't sharpening hurrrrrrrrr

>>8622350
German steel needs to be sharpened every 2-6 months depending on use.

A moderate to light use high carbon steel blade should NEVER need sharpening more than once a year. With heavy use I could see every 4-6 months MAYBE, and that would be in professional kitchen seeing 3-5 hours+ of daily use.

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>>8622349
Especially at this point in his career, yes. I'm not as autistic about it as, say Morimoto, but I sharpen 2 or 3 blades a week.

>>8622338
Professional knife sharpening takes like 5 minutes and costs $10 a knife, and that's if you just go to a knife shop and get it done locally.

>>8620323
That dude aint even close to 90 years old
OP got bamboozled

>>8622360
Morimoto is the 0.1% though, an outlier, not anywhere close to the norm.

>>8622360
>I sharpen 2 or 3 blades a week.
are you actually autistic? Not trying to meme you or anything, but you have to realize you're just grinding away perfectly good steel and destroying the life of the blade...right?

>>8622374
I realize that, and I know I use my blades more than even most line cooks (I do large batch cooking periodically in addition to line), but once a year is still way too long. Most ceramic blades would be showing their wear after a year unless totally babied.

>>8622379
I'm not doing it needlessly. I sharpen them when they need it, I just use them a lot. How long does your shaving razor last you?

>>8622386
>Most ceramic blades
lol? Who the fuck uses a ceramic blade and expects longevity? Those fucks chip like crazy unless you're paying for a kyocera or some shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPLJV2jBKfA

>posting on /ck/
>instead of /out/
You deserve what you got.

>>8622404
I meant beyond the chipping. We're talking about edge retention here.

>>8622359
>sharpening every 4-6 months with 5 hours of daily use
no

>>8622431

What do you expect from people who have never actually handled a sharp knife?

They literally have no idea whatsoever about how regular touch-ups are required to keep the apex truly sharp, nor do they have any idea that proper sharpening technique can do a full sharpening of a knife while removing a few microns--at most--of blade height.

Don't waste your time arguing with the complete know nothings here, it's pointless.

>>8614653
how are they full of shit desu

>>8611443
>weeb goes on holiday to memeland
>buys shitty knife from some old nip
>blogs about it on an Indonesian clock making forum

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So in the other knife thread that dropped off page 11, someone name dropped calton

The knives look interesting and cheap, but I checked out his associations and it looks like he might be a fundie creep whose political leanings may be, shall we say, openly hostile to my existence as a human being. I mean it's an assumption, but I'm certainly not going to ask and generally where there's smoke there's fire.

Are there any knifemakers in this country who aren't actively trying to destroy it? By which I mean, nobody further to the right than say, Reagan? If not I guess I have to order from overseas.

>>8623037
New york city, washington state, oregon. They exist.

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>>8623037
This is why we can't have nice things

>I really want a product
>so I stalked the manufacturer
>and discovered we don't share identical political views
>so obviously I cannot do business with
>someone who isn't a genderfluid transsexual prostitute like me

I hope you find your snowflake craftsman anon

>>8614572
Those are ugly as sin.

>>8623046
What, those "brooklyn cut" jokers? Terrible
>>8623050
Hey look I mean if we have different views on the role of central banks vis a vis controlling inflation or something, I really don't care, but when you've got people supporting maniacs who would be happy to see me riddled with bullets just for going out to have a drink at the bar, no thanks, I can't support that sorry. These are unique times we're living in.

>>8623076
>maniacs who would be happy to see me riddled with bullets just for going out to have a drink at the bar

Wait who are we talking about here?

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>>8623084
Trump supporters, employed in light manufacturing and other such things

Basically anything made in red states by something other than a massive corporation is to be considered politically suspect

I do my best to avoid buying American now

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>>8623091
>Trump supporters would riddle you with bullets just for sitting at the bar

Oh shit guys we got an ISIS member here! Quick, post your favorite kebab recipes

>>8623100
>ISIS member
>alt-right Trump supporter

Pick the two whose spirit and motivation are the same.

>>8623672
>alt-right

Haha poor little lib ;_;

We won. We aren't alt to anything now. I know, I know you were the one voter who REALLY wanted Hillary to win.

>IT WAS HER TURN YOU BASTARDS ;_;

>>8623100
>supporting a loser that shot up some Indians that went to college because he thought they were Arabs that stole his job he got as a high school drop out

>>8623713
I didn't vote for Hillary, you trumpcuck.

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>>8623746
>didn't vote
>still want a valid and respected opinion

>>8611443
OP, could you tell me what city?

It wasn't Seki, was it?


I'm planning a trip myself, and I wanted to hit up some of the less tourist affected areas. I'd love to pick up a small deba, or a kiritsuke at a reasonable price.

>>8623756
>believes there were only 2 candidates on the ballot

Figures. The alt-right isn't known for their intellectual acuity.

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>>8623808
>a liberal 3rd party voter angry that President Trump won but didn't vote for the only real opposition

>>8623822
This.

>>8623808
If you believe this, then you are a fool. Ralph Nader, and Ron Paul are prime examples of 3rd party votes wasted.

They even collected a decent share of them in their respective campaigns too.

>>8618874
Well, you won't find a western equivalent to shirogami, most people in this hemisphere like their knives immensely stain resistant.

>>8623808
>voted third party
>calls someone else a retarded alt-anything

>>8622362
speaking of that, anyone know if the knife sharpening at house of knives is trustworthy? I have 2 free sharpenings there and even though I bought a stone and can teach myself, I will totally take the free sharpening. also why do people shit on house of knives, they have all the good brands that most chefs use, all they lack are the more expensive and special jap blades. they have great sales and give discounts to people who work in a restauraunt

>>8624015
Sharpen your own knives.

>>8624031
but it's a free sharpen and they have more equipment than me, all I have is a 300/1000 stone

>>8624034
if they fuck it up, you can learn by fixing it

>>8622716
Because the secret to making true Damascus steel has been lost for centuries. The best modern metallurgists can do is emulate the appearance through various means that come nowhere close to replicating the quality of the original material

>>8624034
>more equipment

...yeah, like a 1000W belt grinder with which they turn the edge of your knife into slag, most likely. I guess it depends on how much your knife is worth and how much you are attached to it (i.e. was it a present from someone near and dear) but there is no way I would send a knife that cost more than $50 away to some sharpener. And personally I wouldn't bother with a knife that costs under $50. Learning how to sharpen yourself is honestly the best thing you can do. A truly valuable and nowadays rare skill, plus you will never have to rely on anybody else for sharp knives and you can save a lot of money. What does k your knife look like? Can you post a pic?

>>8624051
I am pretty sure that any good monosteel nowadays, with the proper recommended quenching and tempering methods applied, is superior to anything that ever came out of Damascus.

>>8622359
Nonsense, Japanese sushi chefs sharpen their high grade carbon steel blades DAILY. And I can't see German blades lasting more than a week between sharpenings when used professionally if you want to maintain a truly sharp edge. If some people do it less often I suspect they just get used to a blunt edge, and there is not much difference between a one month old blunted edge and a three month old one. I bought a used knife from a cook's aprentice on ebay once who had quit the job, and Jesus H Christ that was the bluntest cooking knife I have ever held. I could have whacked my arm or leg with it and it wouldn't have broken skin. That guy must have been relying on the wedge effect to literally split the food, not cutting it

>>8624119
this
Do we even know the true quality of the original material? Couldn't it be propagation of legend, partial truths, exaggerated truths, some combination therein? I mean it's not that difficult to get even shitty steal razor sharp and relatively flexible, but if you're comparing army to army weapons, maybe the Muslim armies focused more on the maintenance of their edges because of how they used them (more focus on slicing, less on stabbing, evidenced by the tendency for curved blades on their swords of all sorts). Perhaps they had ready access to ore that allowed them relatively cheaply make banded blades that could hold up to certain kinds of abuse better than the equivalently cheap blades of other armies, but that would be like comparing crash tests between a 1971 Pinto and a 1971 Beetle. >neither did all that great, but the Beetle tended to explode into flames less often

>>8622379
Knives are wear items, get over it. Would you rather have a good tool that does its job as intended for a few years or have piece of shit for the rest of your life? A truly sharp edge on an Euro knife will not last more than a few hours of use (on an Euro knife at least), but if you keep your knife edge constantly touched up you basically just need to remove a few molecules in each sharpening session.

What's a good 6-inch chef knife for under $100?

>>8624179
A chef's knife begins at 8'', anything shorter is a petty at best. Try the Wüsthof SilverPoint series, or the IKEA 365+ all-stainless series. Both are surprisingly good for their price. The Victorinox Classics are also good, but abit overpriced for what you get. Or get a Tojiro.

>>8624167
>Would you rather have a good tool that does its job as intended for a few years or have piece of shit for the rest of your life?
You're on the board that has a hissy fit if someone buys a teflon pan, so...
Also
>for a few years
Maybe in a really busy pro kitchen, I'm pretty autistic about my edges as a home user, and my main knife is not visibly smaller after 10 years sharpening about once every 6 weeks, the amount of metal removed with each session is incredibly low. I had to grind a knife ruined by a retarded roommate once and it took me hours of tedious grinding on my lowest grit stone. The coarsest stones I typically use are about 1/4 the particle size of that stone.

>>8624151
We have plenty of museum examples, this isn't some incoherent excerpt from the Dead Sea Scrolls, this is fairly recent history.

Also anyone screeching autistically about how pattern welded steel isn't "true damascus" is a confirmed neckbeard. Seriously, a Cowry X kitchen knife isn't the same thing as a dagger hand forged in the 1400s? What a surprise, it must be a scam then!

>>8624432
How many museum examples are smashed around to test edge development, retention and overall blade toughness?

>>8624435
Not sure why you'd need to "smash" anything around, is that really an effective test compared to using a machine to test deformation, indentation, etc? Or an SEM to analyze the micro structure? Just because it was made 600 years ago doesn't mean testing methodology has to reflect the state of the art 600 years ago.

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>>8611443
I have a red knife with little tomatoes printed on it. I use it to spread jam on my toast.

>>8624432
Damascus steel used a very specific steel that was probably meteoric in origin and ran out hundreds of years ago, example of real damascus steel contain carbon nanotubes. Pattern welding is a basic technique where 2 different steels are firewelded together.

>>8624432
>I know absolutely nothing about metallurgy but I'm going to run my mouth anyways.

Pattern welded steel compromises functionality for looks, and is meant to be sold to the clueless and gullible.

>>8624468
>autistic screeching intensifies

>>8624470
>I'm going to keep screeching
>muh TRUE DAMASCUS
A decorative layer that ends several mm from the cutting edge in no way compromises functionality, sperg. I mean how do you even think that would work? Some kind of supernatural force extending out from the outer layers?

Please go back to /k/

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>>8624474
>>8624470
OH NO IT WASN'T MADE BY AN ARTISAN IN AN OPEN AIR FORGE, SOMEONE CALL CNN IT'S A SCAM!!!ONE

>>8624472
>Obvious redditor is obvious

>>8624463
fuck off we're havin a SERIOUS desicussion here

>>8624474
If it ends several mm from the cutting edge it isn't damascus. It is a monosteel knife with some pattern welded cladding on each bladeface.

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>>8624492
>I have nothing left to say but MUH SEEKRIT CLUB
You know what, forget /k/, go to /g/ and ask them for help downloading orbital ion cannon or whatever the fuck it's called. That will surely establish your anonymous bona fides :^)

>>8624503
>muh true damascus
Like I said, confirmed neckbeard. Nobody ever claimed decorative treatments on modern kitchen knives were exactly the same as historical pieces made in primitive conditions, this is a non-issue that only exists in the minds of people whose project comic book fantasies on mass-manufactured consumer goods.

I feel bad for people who cook with shitty store bought knives, chef knives are so clean and make the whole experience so much more enjoyable

>>8624527
>store bought
Sorry we don't all have foundries in our basements

>>8624474
>>8624476

Calm down autismo, I was referring to people who make complete blades (I.e. including the cutting edge) out of pattern welded steel, as it necessarily involves a sub-optimal heat treatment for both the steels being pattern welded.

That makes no difference in a purely decorative use, obviously.

>>8624592
You mean like 0.003% of the knives for sale with pattern welding? Yeah, that's a real significant problem and I'm sure the people who buy them have no idea what they're getting into

But thank you for repeating what I just told you up here >>8621129
>>8621110
>>8620522

>>8624598

Holy fuck, how autistic are you? Calm down with the incoherent screeching lad, I haven't in been posting in this thread until now.

There are a fair number of pattern welded non-kitchen knives on the market, incidentally, and they are typically sold to the gullible who don't realize that the HT is necessarily compromised.

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>>8624604
>There are a fair number of pattern welded non-kitchen knives on the market

Maybe in the "EDC" (aka "I have abandonment issues and I carry around too much stuff so I can be the hero who opens boxes faster than anyone else in the office") market. I have no trouble believing that those kinds of people will lap up any ridiculous nonsense that caters to their rich fantasy lives

In the kitchen knife market, it's basically unheard of outside of niche collector knifemakers

>>8615848
>I have no fucking idea how blacksmith works

>>8616128
>finish degree
>finally actually have to function in the world
>can't do it
>neet

>>8612964
>damascus
fucking terrible senpai

>>8614127
even with everything people are saying, for 15$ that looks like s a damn good knife

>>8624617

In general you are right that utility (I.e. outdoors and folding knife) buyers are phenomenally gullible and will buy whatever is shilled at them, but that being said it can be convenient to have a very sharp pocket knife handy.

Not everyone who carries a pocket knife is a mall ninja, only the vast majority of them.

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My Nakiri, used in a professional kitchen for 18 months now, definitely better than the 15 year old Messermeister Blade I had previously

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I use this

>ITT: the very reason why human eradication has become necessary

>>8624439
And how many blades have they done that on? All of the articles I've read said they had to sample the blades in a destructive manner, so they haven't done it much. A couple of those articles claim success at reproducing characteristics determined in the studies. Are you saying that has been proven incorrect?

>>8625064
I don't care enough to google it, but actual historical damascus blades are not that expensive or precious, a lot were made, and a lot have survived, you can pick one up for maybe 4x the cost of a modern custom knife, certainly a great deal less than the cost of R&D for a new type of steel. It doesn't seem that far fetched to think that someone bought one and analyzed it even if it had to be damaged. It's not like you have to hire catherine zeta-jones to break into the louvre in the dead of night and steal it while writhing sexily under the lasers, you can just go to a reputable antiques dealer and hand over the cash. If it's that big of a mystery, and modern metallurgy is at risk of being held back because of "lost" knowledge, seems to me this would have been done by now. I'd be very surprised if it hadn't.

Why does that seem so crazy to you?

>>8625175
>I don't care enough to google it, just to say that the person who has actually read stuff on it is wrong.
OK.

>>8626353
What? All I'm saying is if you're going to claim that damascus steel is some kind of alien-tier tech far beyond the performance capabilities of modern steel, it would seem daft to let the easily available, not particularly expensive (in the context of industrial R&D), not particularly rare samples go unmolested because "it's a museum piece". So obviously if they did study it, and decided it's not worth the harm to the resale value of the pieces which couldn't be more than a couple of week's salary for a low-level staffer in the R&D department, then they must not have found anything terribly unexpected.

And also
> the person who has actually read stuff

All he said was "articles", well guess what I've read "articles" too, dozens of them. Is he a professional metallurgist? Historian? Someone with relevant academic credentials? No, he's just some guy on the internet. You act like nobody has ever thought about damascus steel before now. It's been known about for centuries and the main group of people who remain fixated on it are custom knife makers for collectors, because those are the only people with an interest in it. The rest of the world makes do with far superior modern metallurgy that takes advantage of vacuums, electrodes, and other magic that a 15th century swordsmith wouldn't even be able to understand, let alone exploit given the technology of the day.