/COFFEE/

Previous shitflinging thread: >>8474720

why do Fat people and Americans ruin their coffee with things like milk, sugar or flavorite

I mean if you can't enjoy the roast without milk, your either brewing it wrong, or your an american using some shit flash frozen coffee

>>8496987

probably because coffee, in addition to tasting good on its own, also tastes good when combined with other flavors

>>8496981
This wouldn't have happened if you just put an anime pic in the OP.

>>8496987
Because people like different things.
Example: the variety of pizza toppings

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>>8496987
Not even three fucking posts

>>8496987
Most people have this notion that coffee isn't supposed to taste good and it's just wakeup juice that you trick yourself into ingesting using non-dairy creamer.

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>>8496987
Because freedom

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>>8497029
>>8497024
>>8497021
>>8497020
>>8496999

>Amerifats are this obsessed with the truth

>>8497060
>12 year old yuropoor shits up thread for attention
>LOL U MAD XDDD
Consider suicide

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>>8497060
Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>8497060
>>8496987

fucking moron

the only people who do this are people who think starbucks is good coffee

nobody who goes through the effort of brewing it themselves will do this

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>>8497060
Why are Euro-Idiots so cringeworthy?

>>8496980
Back to the topic at hand, I find when I brew more acidic coffees for longer 5+ minutes in my French press the brightness and fruitiness actually mellows out. Any other ways to tweak the brew to get results? Also does blooming really help if you mix once all the water is in?

Grinding it at the regular size on a baritza encore (30 I think?) 14:1 coffee to water ratio. Currently brewing stumptown Columbia los picos

>>8497289
Water temp in the 180s makes it less acidic

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>>8497060
>>8496987
Shut the fuck up

>>8497289
Mixing slows down the emmersion as it cools down the water with oxygen, resulting in an underextracted cup
I never do it

>>8497258
>family guy pic
>doesn't know we give other people money so we can make them our bitches

Senpai I love this country but we are pricks towards everyone

>>8496808
>>8496844
>>8497520

Link to your acclaimed blind testing please. Otherwise I'll just say your full of shit. After reading that Huffpost article, I think neither you, nor the tasters in the article just never had a decent coffee. Anybody who uses big commercial coffee brands as their standard loses their credibility in rating coffee.


>>8496980
Also, please change the title to Coffee/ Espresso General!

how often do you guys take a dump?

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Coffee people are the worst.
Worse than:

Steak doneness experts
Wine connoiseurs
Beer connoisseurs
Picky eaters

I hope you people drown in your niggersweat

What are some areas/countries that, on average, produce less acidic coffee?

>>8497258
>britain """invading""" the falklands
>their own territory
>beating back the argentinian invasion
And that's when I realised it wasn't even """alternative facts""" any more.

>>8497289

30 on an Encore seems pretty fine for French press, burning guess that depends on how it's calibrated. I'd be using 40 on my Virtuoso.

I also prefer to use a 16.666666:1 water to coffee ratio.

You may getting uneven extraction with too fine a grind and too much coffee. Blooming is not necessary in a French press because it's an immersion method.

Try using 40 grind setting 16:1 or 16.66:1 ratio, no bloom, no stirring, ~208 degree water and 4 minutes before you press.

>>8497289

I forgot to add that the apparent mellowing out of the brightness on 5+ minute brews is most likely the product of the overextracrion of other flavors masking the taste of the acidity.

>>8498401

sumatras, darker roasts generally.

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>>8498434
>16.666666:1

this guy again

>>8498516
Thanks, I'll give 'em a try.

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>>8496987
I think main reason for adding milk and sugar is to cover up the strong harsh taste of mostly dark roast coffee beans.
Many people do like the dark roast but they are not aware that dark roast coffee presents very serious health issues.
Roasts like Italian and French (picture related) should be avoided in order to avoid getting cancer.
Here is why, this is very serious issue but not many coffee drinkers are aware of it.

CARCINOGENS in Burnt Coffee,
(and for those who are not aware carcinogens are cancer causing elements) you can read about it in this article:

http://camanoislandcoffee.com/the-5-dangers-to-avoid-when-purchasing-coffee-5/

Research has shown that if food is burnt or heated excessively then a certain group of carcinogenic substances are released which are known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs).
Once these substances have been consumed by the individual via the burnt food then they also travel into the intestines and other organs of the human body via the process of blood circulation.
In such cases, these polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons not only cause cancer but also tend to increase toxicity of bone marrow, suppression of the immune system, reproductive toxicity,
liver toxicity as well as cardiovascular toxicity.

I like my dark roasted coffee and I don’t want to hear another ‘coffee guy’ tell me to stop drinking it.

The truth is, you can enjoy a well roasted Dark Roast Coffee without ingesting cancerous substances into your body.
Dark doesn’t have to mean burnt.
Nor do you have to sacrifice the health benefits of coffee when enjoying dark roast done correctly.

COFFEE is known AS ONE OF THE HIGHEST SOURCES OF CARCINOGENS AROUND,
yet something as simple as NOT purchasing burnt coffee beans can drastically reduce this factor.
Coffee, roasted to a dark profile, can actually be extremely enjoyable (even for light roast drinkers such as myself) and still keep that dark nuance that so many people really enjoy.

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>>8498634
CARCINOGENS in DARK Burnt Coffee are the same as carcinogens (cancer causing particles) found on burned meat/steaks.
With horror I watch people grilling their meat to achieve those burned charred "grill marks", but those burned grill marks are nothing less than cancer powerhouse.

Funny thing is that those people would never feed those burned charred meat parts to their precious dogs or cats, but they gladly eat themselves.

So with dark roasted coffee there is a very serious WARNING that if we do care not to get cancer we should definitely avoid drinking any coffee brewed with dark roast beans.

The 5 Ways Your Coffee Kills You.
All in all, you can drink coffee and significantly hurt your body or you can drink coffee and actually enjoy a beverage that adds healthful antioxidants and tastes amazing.
I choose healthy coffee.

Coffee is one of the most heavily pesticide sprayed crops.
Much of our coffee comes from South America, and specifically Colombia, and uses pesticides such as heptachlor, chlordane and deiedrin. These pesticides are toxic to our body!

Also toxic molds Mycotoxins growing on coffee beans present health issue, so taking all those hazardous things into consideration don't add to damaging your health
by purchasing & consuming dark roasted coffee beans.

Coffee is one of those things that we don't really need to consume to stay alive.
We need to eat food, we need to drink water but we don't need to drink coffee in order to live.

Coffee is a treat, so educate yourselves & don't unknowingly add this tempting addictive treat to the already abounded number of cancer & other health problems causing products in our diets.
Coffee has some health benefits, but it needs to be consumed with wise approach to it because if you consume coffee grown with tons of toxic chemicals or coffee infested with toxic molds or dark roasted coffee watch out.

The world of coffee is HUGE. Make sure you’re educated before you make your next coffee purchase.

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>>8498781
You know, if it's been over an hour and no-ones taken the original bait yet, you're better off just not composing the second one. Here's to hoping you're not a mormon whose sweetheart is getting fingered by your pastor this very instant. They'll be married by the time you finish your mission, you know.

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>>8498793
>You know, if it's been over an hour and no-ones taken the original bait yet
Anon what's your agenda?
is it to prevent people from learning truth about the health hazards of coffee?
most people know of the pleasures of drinking coffee but not many people know about the dark side toxic side of coffee,
you know people like you are trying to prevent the truth to be made known are very dishonest people,
I would even go and say that people like you are VERY EVIL people.

What, are you one of those dishonest coffee growers producers who is aware of the dangerous aspects of the coffee industry but is trying to hide the truth
because your ONLY goal is to sell as much coffee as possible to those stupid gullible idiots in The FIRST WORLD countries and you don't care if they drink coffee that was grown using tons of toxic chemicals,
or if it has toxic molds growing on it, or if they drink dark roast coffee?

Any we know that in 95% cases dark roasting is done on a very shitty quality coffee beans to cover their shitty flavor.

Get a life asshole and stop acting like truth suppressing swine.
Let the people to learn all aspects of coffee the good and the bad.
And let people to make wise educated choices that are good for their health.

not that i want to take the bait but isn't italian roast less deeply roasted then french roast?

>>8498864
not according to this chart >>8498634

>>8498634
>>8498781
after reading about health especially cancer issues with dark roasted coffee I just throw out all the dark roasted coffee beans I had (it was almost a lb) into the garbage,
and from now on I will only use maximum medium roast,
coffee is definitely not wort it to get cancer over it,I can do with out coffee if that will mean healthier cancer free life.

>>8496987
Humans perceive things relatively, and unsweetened coffee is too bitter for someone accustomed to never drinking unsweetened water, which Americans tend not to do. and most americans don't prepare their coffee correctly. The standard American coffee is ground months ago even though it's good for only 12 hours after grinding, and about half a month after roasting.

In general, what are the best brewing methods for different roast levels? I tend to use pourover for light and medium roasts and french press for darker, more oily roasts.

Anyone else roasting at home? I've been using an air popper. It happens to also work pretty well for popcorn. Why does white popcorn exist when yellow is so much better?

>>8498935
What is "correctly"?
>The standard American coffee is ground months ago even though it's good for only 12 hours after grinding, and about half a month after roasting.
And the same is true of Italy where Illy and Lavazza have enjoyed a reign of terror for decades

Congrats, you people have ruined yet another coffee thread with your autism.

I'm never clicking a coffee thread again unless it has a gochiusa picture on it.

>>8499474
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY ABOUT ME YOU LITTLE BITCH

I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I USE 16.666666666666666666:1

HOW MANY SIXES CAN YOU BOAST OF, FILTHY CASUAL

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How good are Philips and Russel Hobbs at making drip coffeemakers?

I'd get something more reputable but the availability where I live is very limited.

>>8498634
>>8498781
>>8498852
>>8498908
You're getting craftier and craftier coffeemonger. This might be a worthy pasta one day.

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>>8499536
>Russel Hobbs

Mom bought one and it's the most retarded fucked up pile of crap ever in a kitchen. The thermos pot that comes with it drips like hell, it's fucking impossible to pour a cup without making a huge fucking mess. Fuck that pile of shit.

>>8497024
This
I didn't appreciate bitter + subtle until one day I had too much chocolate cake and I said to myself,"damn I need something bitter"

>>8496987
"You're" a nigger

>>8497289

If you want to cut the bitterness, just add a little bit of butter

>>8499686
Have you tried being less physically retarded, Anon?

>>8498236
I'm gunna change to /caffeine/ for the next one

>>8498267
Once in the morning and once at night (or late evening)

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>>8499948
/cowfee/

>>8498864
Italian is roasted more

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so is the Mormon typing all the shit up all on his own or is he plagerizing from some magic underwear website?

Do the antioxidants in coffee negate the carcinogens? Should I steam it instead? Or use my super skookum grinder and earmuffs to grind it green?

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>>8499171

I'm roasting at home with pic rel. Nostalgia Popper from Target for 15 bucks.

I get my sumatra green coffee beans from Sweet Maria's.

I like to let it go about 30 seconds past second crack around this time of year when it is cold outside, but in the summer I like a lighter roast generally.

I use a Mr. Coffee but I divert the water to the back of the machine so that it preheats and recycles the water and hits a better temperature. Once preheated I re-divert the water back to the filter basket but keep the carafe out intentionally letting the basket fill for the first 4 to 5 minutes... Once full I insert the carafe and allow the drip machine to work as usual.

I find that this hits a near perfect extraction every time.

If I want to go full metal autist I will just brew a smaller batch and not use the water warming and dripping feature... just preheat my own water and pour over the grounds in the filter basket with the carafe removed. if using a good filter there is no need to prewet. this produces good coffee.. but not much better than the aforementioned method.

A lot of mornings I actually just set it all up the night before and set the delay brew which is a god send on early mornings and a nice feature I have yet to see on even the most expensive chem-ex units...

This works VERY WELL and if you use your own fresh roasted and fresh ground (ground the night before anyway) it will make a much better cup of coffee than anyone using the worlds most expensive units will if they are using store bought roasts.

I always think its funny how many silly faggots on this board think they know about coffee but aren't roasting their own beans. Store bought roasts are shit - end of story - even if the date on them is good.

>>8499171

Do you use the same machine for both? I haven't made popcorn with mine since I started roasting - wasn't sure if it would jack up the flavor of the popcorn...

I like microwaved popcorn better anyway - someone got me that popper for xmas one year and I was pretty sad about a stupid wasted gift until I learned that it was one of the best ways to most evenly roast coffee beans.

>>8500159
The first batch of popcorn after roasting coffee pops small and gets stuck and burns. I'm not sure why. Oil splatter? I'll try cleaning it out better next time and see if that helps.

>>8500159
If you care to, you can assemble your own microwave coffee way cheaper and without the synthetic flavorings. But maybe those are why you like it? You can get the stuff on its own to add to any popcorn. Stovetop with oil is the "proper" way to pop it.

>>8500174
*microwave cockporn

>>8500174

kettle corn is really good when done in a pot on the stove.. i did try that once... but its so much cleaner and easier to use a microwave and prebagged popcorn. plus.. it leaves the popcorn popper free for roasting which is its better purpose anyway.

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Share your V60 recipes:

I prefer 16:1.

My go to is 20g Coffee to 320g water

Steps:

>Grind med-fine

>Bloom to 40g water, stirring vigoursly within 10 seconds

>Pour continously to 320g total water, making sure you start in middle, spiraling out to the edges washing down the grinds on the side, if you can finish pour with the wash.

>At the end of pour, tamp down your V60 on the mug or carafe to level the ground bed.

>Total time should be around 2:50 +/- 10 seconds depending on bean, freshness, pour technique.

Enjoy!

>pic related is my autism kit

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@8500053
>I use a Mr. Coffee
>I actually just set it all up the night before
>fresh ground (ground the night before anyway)

LOL

>>8500289
Anything less than 12 hours is acceptable.

>>8500268

Have you ever tried a Chemex? I'm curious how the flavor compares.

I use a Chemex with:
- 16.66:1 ratio, 50g of coffee to 833g of water
- Grind at 30 on my Virtuoso
- Water starts at ~207-209 l
- pre wash filter
- add 3x coffee weight of water in 15s, allow to bloom for further 30s
- add remaining water to 833g, aiming to finish adding water between 2:30 and 3:00
- extraction competes around 4:30

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>>8499613
Oh I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or sarcasm, but you see I'm not doing anything for my personal benefit,
I'm just learning as we go & sharing with you guys the other side of the delicious coffee story.

As I said before in previous thread I do have a friend who was drinking coffee in quite large amounts (2-3-4 cups per day)
and eventually got pancreatic cancer from it.
Sad & painful story for him and for his family only over an "innocent few cups" of coffee.

Those of you who are so aggressively opposing my posts exposing health problems associated with drinking wrong coffee
are definitely dishonest people who are trying to hide truth from those who never heard of those issues with coffee.

Tell me please what's wrong in any of my posts that some of you think I'm wrong.
>>8498634
>>8498781
>>8498852
I think most regular coffee drinkers are appreciating informations in my posts, informations that might save them from getting seriously ill or getting nasty deadly cancer.
Wonder how many people got ill got cancer not knowing that the reason for it was drinking wrong type of coffee, coffee that was full of toxic chemicals,
starting from growing practices using massive amounts of toxic fertilizers and pesticides, to the storage problems where toxic molds grow on coffee beans,
to drinking dark roast coffee, or drinking coffee on empty stomach.

I think everybody who never heard of those things is happy that I'm providing them with that info.
I'm not telling people not to drink coffee ever again, I'm just presenting information that shocked me (the big coffee enthusiast)
and I'm now making smart changes to my coffee drinking habits.
I still drink coffee and I'm not planing to stop it, but I will limit to one (or some occasions to two) cups per day
and it's going to be locally roasted ORGANIC, and never dark roast, maximum medium roast.

As I said before coffee is not essential for humans to stay alive, food & water is,coffee is not.

@8500305

No.

>>8500330
You lose more flavor from your beans being too old, which they definitely are if you're not roasting them yourself a cup or half at a time.

>>8500330
anon why you are posting this symbol in front of a post number: @
why not to just 'left click' on the post number and you will get automatically this effect:
>>8500305

just a hint in case you are not aware of it, (unless you are aware of it but have your own reason for doing your way).

>>8500330
>>8500305
just left click, or manually insert double >> if you are quoting post from different thread.

>>8500364
>if you're not roasting them yourself a cup or half at a time
totally retarded and not practical in every day life situation.

>>8500382
I buy five pound bags of green coffee. It's good for up to a year. Roasting doesn't take much time and I can be doing other stuff during most of it.

>>8500382
A machine with integrated grinder will either be subpar of very expensive. I can't even afford a good standalone electric burr grinder so I use a manual. Freshly ground month-old coffee is far worse than days-old coffee ground less than half a day ago.

>>8500392
storing green coffee in a bag up to a year????, are you not getting those toxic molds like the: mycotoxins like T-2 toxins, ochratoxins, vomitoxins, and rubratoxins growing on your beans,
up to a year in a bag with out moving the coffee beans around is very strange practice in my opinion, unless you have perfect climatic conditions even then I would move the beans around every couple of weeks.

>>8500420
Thanks, mom. I use it much faster than that because it's not just me drinking it.

>>8500409
>Freshly ground month-old coffee is far worse than days-old coffee ground less than half a day ago.
I agree on the grinding just before you make your coffee but to roast coffee beans every day is bit too much for me,
maybe roast week or two weeks supply but every day??, well if you have the time good for you anon, sure you are getting fresh as possible.

>>8500434
well if you were not retarded moron and knew how to compose your post with intelligence it would be obvious from the beginning,
but since you are retard, well never mind..............

>>8500438
I do it twice a week at most. I rarely use more than a quarter cup of beans in a day.

>>8500364

No.

1) Freshly roasted coffee doesn't even peak in flavor until about 3 days after roasting.

2) Grinding coffee the night before is certainly worse than it being roasted a day or two earlier since the surface area of ground coffee is many times of that of whole beans.

3) You set your shitty drip coffee maker to auto run in the morning meaning it has no temperature control, no bloom step, no ability to pre-wet the filter, and no ability to control the level of saturation of the grounds.

This basically means you have essentially zero control over the degree and consistency of extraction. It's like trying to claim that microwaving steak is good as long as you dry aged it yourself.

There is literally no point to roasting your own coffee if you are going to treat it like grocery store Folgers afterwards.

>>8500320
I would assume the chemex would produce a cleaner cup imo, due to the filter. I personally love a delicate cup on a v60, especialy with a more floral and fruity coffee. (Just ordered from Madcap in michigan, they're pretty great)

>>8500589
>Just ordered from Madcap in michigan
how much do they pay you for shilling for them, or you are the owner

>>8500568
what method/device is best for controlling the extraction process then?

>>8500633
you have to budget around $2000 for entry level unit

>>8500633

A quality burr grinder, an electric kettle (ideally programmable for temperature), a scale, and then you can use pour over, French press, or Aeropress.

Each of those methods shares the ability to precisely control the grind size, grind evenness, water temperature, grind to water ratio and the length of time the water contacts the grounds.

These are the elements necessary to control which of the soluble compounds are extracted out of coffee and in what proportion, and allow fine tuning to eliminate under or over extraction.

Moka pots have a little less extraction control but can still produce good coffee.

Espresso requires even finer control over these variables, plus water pressures but a decent espresso set up is quite expensive and impractical for home use UNLESS you roast your own beans a bit at a time and don't care about the purchase and maintenance costs for an espresso set up at home.

>>8500673
>Espresso requires even finer control over these variables, plus water pressures but a decent espresso set up is quite expensive and impractical for home use UNLESS you roast your own beans a bit at a time and don't care about the purchase and maintenance costs for an espresso set up at home.
pure bullshit

>>8500673
>you can use pour over,
what is pour over

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>>8500718

Care to elaborate?

It's impractical for home use because real espresso machines are expensive. Espresso grinders are expensive. It's very hard to go through a pound of espresso beans in two weeks unless you are making dozens of espressos a day. Espresso machines need to be regularly serviced.

And espresso does require finer control over grind size, evenness, water temperature and water pressure than other brewing methods do.

I used to have a San Marco espresso machine and grinder, so I know first hand.

>>8500733
tell your stupid bullshit sap story to millions of home espresso machine owners all over the world

>>8500673
>Aeropress
Ok, so I've never understood those. I mean, I can clearly see how they work, but I can't see that the mechanism is in any way different from a decanted french press. Other than muh 21st century air cushion and hipster memery. Explain this shit, anons!

>>8496987
What's a cappuccino?
Did I win?

>>8500758
>Explain this shit, anons!
stop being parasite and watch youtube or f-off you lazy fuck.

>>8500758
It creates air pressure, brewing the coffee in tiny holes like a real espresso machine would do.
The pressure is not as constant or necessarily the good one, but it does the job.
French press just infuses the coffee and puts the grounds at the bottom

>>8500749
(You)

>>8500758

I happen to agree that Aeropress tastes pretty much exactly like paper filtered French press, but nonetheless you still have control over all the elements I listed using it.

>>8500791
>French press just infuses the coffee
the fucking water infuses the coffee grounds not the fucking french press you dummy

>>8500791
>French press just infuses the coffee and puts the grounds at the bottom
The gravity puts the grounds that are suspended in the water at the bottom not the fucking french press you dummy

>>8500791
>It creates air pressure
But surely it can't be more than just barely over atmosphere pressure as the vessel is open at the bottom. Where is the pressure build-up? You press the water out, but that's an only extra pound or so of filter resistance. Right?
It just infused the coffee, and then you press the coffee through a filter. The "air plug" is just to not leave a lot of coffee with the grounds and have some air in there to replace it. The only benefit I can see is that it doesn't leave the grounds in with the finished coffee like a french press typically does, but that can be solved with decanting.

What am I missing?

>>8500831
I have that video on my computer and I did posted that video few threads ago but decided not to posted now since that faggot is a super lazy fuck

>>8500812
>The gravity puts the grounds that are suspended in the water at the bottom not the fucking french press you dummy
You know what the "press" in "French press" means, right?

>>8500882
>the "press" in "French press" means,
means fake news you dumb fuck

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>>8500882
btw, coffee grounds are already on the bottom (due to gravity force) before you start pressing on the plunger with the metal screen filter attached to it,
you usually wait 4-5 minutes before start pressing on the plunger/filter so by that time there is almost nothing for the press to press down except very fine particles you dummy.
>you are that faggot who desperately tries to be smart but never fails to end up to sound dumb
>bravo bravissimo

bravo, bravo, bravo, bravissimo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qZOiyVsEuM

>>8500949
>btw, coffee grounds are already on the bottom (due to gravity force) before you start pressing on the plunger with the metal screen filter attached to it,
No they're not. Mine are happily suspended in the coffee or even floating. Only things that are heavier than water sinks, anon. Coffee beans most definitely float, and coffee course grounds do too until they have been sufficiently water logged. Which take far longer than extraction time.
Tiny dust-like particles will sink once in your cup, but that's a different thing altogether.

>>8500568
Nobody cares, nerdtron.
It's just coffee.

>>8501042
>being cought spreading bullshit dumbass decides to spread more bullshit to cover previous bullshit

>>8501053
for him it's his life
>that's how fucked up his is

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>>8501057
>itt: a 12y/o sperg whos never actually used a french press
See this shit? It's not very much sinking, is it.

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>>8500673
>Each of those methods shares the ability to precisely control the grind size, grind evenness, water temperature, grind to water ratio and the length of time the water contacts the grounds.

So does a Mr. Coffee... it comes out the exact same every single time. Perfect extraction everytime.

With your stupid method you can fuck up at any point along the way.

My do you think they program a Mr. Coffee to heat water a certain temperature and drip it at a certain rate ya fuckin idiot?!?!?!

It's because the temperature and rate is perfect for making coffee.

So then its all about finding a good grind that works with that extraction which is generally a medium fine grind.

Then you just fresh roast to exact point you want and WHALLA - perfection in a fucking cup.

You are overthinking the whole thing way too much.

The part where you introduce water is the least important part.

And of course you roast and then let the beans sit for at least 24 hours.. .but 3 days? fuck off. Coffee beans are absolute BEST 24 hours after being roasted. grind and drink away.
The fucking autist nerdgasms that don't understand coffee on this board... fucking retarded.


"I use a chemex to brew my dunkin donuts french vanilla"

fucking lols. what a tard.

>>8501083
of course you faggot it will not sink right after you pour hot water on coffee grounds but after 4-5 minutes 95% of it it will

>>8501083
Am I supposed to stir it before pushing down?
I get the feeling I'm not extracting as much as I should.

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>>8501083

This can happen if you have just roasted and ground your beans within a couple day period. If you are using packaged dunkin donut brand french vanilla flavored preground it will sink like a rock.

Goes to show how much mr. sinks a lot knows about fresh ground coffee...

>>8500673
TrueConnoisseur™ detected

How good is that dunkin brand french vanilla? amirite?

The fuckin sperglords around here...

>>8501100
You're supposed to stir when you've first poured the water in, but it will float back up in the time the extraction takes. As long as you did the first stir that doesn't matter.

>>8501096
>bollox 2 that m8
Confirmed for not actually having used a french press. Stop spouting random conjecture on the internet.

>>8501126
I agitate the grounds when dumping the hot water, and then again by swishing around the mix until a golden brown foam emerges.

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>>8501131

His mom buys him iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts.

He knows his shit.

>>8501092
>With your stupid method you can fuck up at any point along the way.
>>8501092
>You are overthinking the whole thing way too much.
>>8501092
>fucking lols. what a tard.
that idiot >>8500673
got similar responses from me
>>8500718
>>8500749
text and picture of this post are great
>>8501103

>>8501141
here we have asshole brewing coffee in tea bags.
new fucking low, lower than fucking instant

>>8501151

Do0d. Give up. We all know that you have never roasted your own beans and can't tell a city roast from a full city plus.

Fuck of with your "superior" chemex brewed dunkin brand preground.

No one gives two shits about your opinion here.

I used to drink coffee twice a day but now I do sencha green tea at night because I'm too lazy to wash my french press twice a day.

>>8501220

You should get yourself a Mr. Coffee with delay brew. It makes enough for several servings and keeps the pot hot for you for several hours before auto shut off.

I put the extra in the fridge and then do an ice coffee with it later.

>>8501181
>We all know that you have never roasted your own beans
yes I did several times you crook

>>8501181
>Fuck of with your "superior" chemex brewed dunkin brand preground.
Don't own fucking chemex and never bought coffee at dunkin never actually bought anything at dunkin actually never stepped into dunkin
actually I'm too intelligent to frequent slimy places like dunkins,never went to dunkin, I visit high end places not shitholes for poor pleb,
because you like to go there that tells me that your are poor pleb that has no taste.

>>8501181
>No one gives two shits about your opinion here.
that's your opinion and nobody gives a single shit about your opinions here.
you are as relevant here as used coffee paper filter

>>8501220
much healthier choice
drinking coffee is grossly overrated

>>8501227
drinking few hours old coffee is like drinking fucking brown poison
one cup of coffee a day is plenty for me

>>8501234
>that's your opinion
It is also mine.
>I'm too intelligent to frequent slimy places like dunkins
Houston, we have a fedora...

>>8501234
>Don't own fucking chemex and never bought coffee at dunkin

We can all tell that you do though.. soo....

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>>8501249
And we all can tell that your are full of shit and irrelevant on this thread
stop puffing gizmo freak we all know that you are disabled.

>>8501270

At least I roast and grind my own beans Mr. Maxwell House Special Columbian Dark.

>>8501247
why does coffee become rancid shit once it gets cold?

i can drink forgotten tea hours later, but coffee is undrinkable as soon as it cools off, even if you try reheating it.

>>8501289
>why does coffee become rancid shit once it gets cold?
That nice aroma that fills the room when there's a hot cup of coffee somewhere? That's all the flavoury stuff leaving the coffee. After a while, all that is left is bitter and slightly sour water.
This goes for all things: scent is evaporated aroma.

>>8501301
>scent is evaporated aroma
>scent is evaporated scent
I know what you mean, but you can try to articulate yourself a little better next time.

Just a friendly suggestion <|:-)

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>>8501286
and now since you are such a raging gay you can serve yourself ever so popular in gay circles coffee enema


At-Home Coffee Enema Instructions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM-w9VAvy7s

>>8501322
>made for enema coffee

This sounds like the stuff Mr. Chemex Dunkin preground is probably drinking...

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>>8501341
I personally mostly drink this type of coffee

http://www.bluemountaincoffee.com/

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5 Coffee Statistics No One Is Talking About.
http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/blog/5-coffee-statistics-no-one-is-talking-about/

If you can’t tell the difference between Conventional Coffee and Organic Coffee, you’re not alone.
Most people have no idea what is in the coffee they drink… and unfortunately, many coffee manufacturers prefer to keep you in the dark. Here are 5 coffee statistics you need to be aware of.

Fact #1: Did you know that coffee is one of the most chemically treated crops in the world?
According to recent statistics, up to 250 pounds of chemical fertilizers are sprayed per acre of Conventional Coffee.
Some companies claim that the pesticides are “burned off” during roasting… but many others believe that the chemicals aren’t “cooked off” while roasting coffee beans, but rather “cooked into” the beans.

Would you eat a conventionally grown, genetically modified potato that was treated with dozens of dangerous chemicals just because someone told you they would magically disappear once you heated it up?
Neither would we.

Fact #2: Many Organic Coffee brands aren’t much better than Conventional Coffee Brands.
Most people who buy organic coffee, choose to do so because they don’t want to ingest a product that has been sprayed with harmful pesticides and chemicals…
What they don’t know is that since organic coffee uses no chemical sprays, it has no defense against mycotoxins like T-2 toxins, ochratoxins, vomitoxins, and rubratoxins.


And so THIS is the Catch-22 most people have no idea exists:

1. Either you drink Conventional Coffee, which is mycotoxin-free but treated with chemicals, pesticides, herbicides, and/or fungacides.
2. You drink Organic Coffee which is chemical-free, but prone to mycotoxins and fungal by-products growing freely on the beans.

Fact #3: Many of the negative side-effects of coffee which are generally attributed to caffeine are actually the result of the ochratoxins in the coffee.

fucking coffee, just had a cup and 5 minutes later feel sleepy
WTF?

>>8498634
>bitter taste
This is because you underage faggots haven't developed proper bitter tastebuds yet.
Teenagers grimace when they drink beer like its fucking whiskey.
Come back when you're an adult.

>>8501453
ADHD. Try ritalin and see if you stay hyper-focused instead of fired up.

>>8501507
it has nothing to do with bitter taste you super old super close to death you old crap unable to use your gelatin brain,
it has to do that dark roasted charred coffee causes cancer big time.

>>8501453
>>8501515
because coffee is grossly overrated that's why

>>8501053

Thank you for admitting I know more about coffee than you.

>>8501092
>So does a Mr. Coffee... it comes out the exact same every single time. Perfect extraction everytime.

No. Cheap drip machines have a heating element for the water but no temperature regulation whatsoever so there is no control over what temperature the water is at going into the grounds. They also cannot pre wash the filter so you get to enjoy the taste of bleached paper filters in your swill coffee. They also drip the water into only the centre of the filter basket meaning the grounds are wildly unevenly saturated, and cheap drip machines also don't even have a timer to hold the bottom of the filter basket closed to try and mimic immersion brewing to compensate for those design weakenses, instead the randomly over or under extracted coffee goes directly into the carafe.

The funny part is that you have already admitted this up thread when you acknowledged that:

>>8500053
>I use a Mr. Coffee but I divert the water to the back of the machine so that it preheats and recycles the water and hits a better temperature. Once preheated I re-divert the water back to the filter basket but keep the carafe out intentionally letting the basket fill for the first 4 to 5 minutes... Once full I insert the carafe and allow the drip machine to work as usual.

See, you yourself admit that you have desperately try an mimic better brewing methods to compensate for how shit your cheap drip machine is.

>>8501092

Continued from above:

>Coffee beans are absolute BEST 24 hours after being roasted

They are not, but you don't understand why for the same reason you don't understand why freshly roasted coffee ground 10 hours ago is more stale than whole bean coffee roasted 10 days ago and ground immediately prior to use.

The whole thing is an oxidization process. For the first 24-48 hours after beans are roasted they have too much carbon dioxide trapped in them. When you use beans that are too fresh, you get a massive bloom of carbon dioxide escaping the beans when they are first contacted by water, which unfortunately carries away many of the volatile compounds we would like to taste in the finished coffee.

The thing about the oxidization process is that exposure to air is proportional to surface area, and thus so is the rate of oxidization. Since ground coffee has exponentially more surface area exposed to the air than whole beans do, they oxidize at a proportionally higher rate. So your earlier comment that "anything less than 12 hours is acceptable" for pre-grinding coffee is actually an admission that coffee ground 12 hours ago is like whole beans roasted 14 days ago.

Unfortuantely this means you look like a bit of an idiot when you try to pretend that the coffee you ground 10 hours ago and allowed to sit overnight in your piece of shit drip machine isn't as stale as 10+ day old whole bean coffee, which makes your whole shitposting shtick about roasting your own coffee look pretty foolish.

>dunkin donuts

No. I get my coffee from a local roaster that roasts coffee to order and overnights it to you, so I get it the day after it was roasted.

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I think this stuff is pretty good.

>>8502097

I'm not that anon.

Why are you trying so hard to prove that someone singing the praises of their Mr. Coffee is an idiot? Shouldn't it be obvious?

>>8502097
>>8502101
you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVDOB9mby_w&t=7m03s

>>8501151

It seems elementary school chemistry is a little too complicated for you.

Coffee making is simply a process of using water to try and extract certain soluble compounds out of coffee beans while trying to avoid extracting other soluble compounds out of those beans.

It doesn't take more than an elementary school understanding of chemistry to understand that the factors that control which soluble compounds you will extract and in what concentration depends on the temperature of the liquid contacting the solids, the particle size of the solids, the evenenss of size of the particles of the solids, the ratio of liquids to solids, the time the liquid remains in contact with the solids, the amount of pressure under which the liquids are exposed to the solids, and what type of filtration (if any) the liquid is subject too after contact with the solids.

This is basic chemistry, and it is why brewing methods that give you precise control over these factors are necessary to control the extraction process.

The nice thing is this makes it possible to discover the precise parameters needed to get the results we want, and to be able to consistently achieve similar results using similar brewing parameters.

>>8502106

Sport. Besides, his idiocy provides a good jumping off point for educating others reading the thread.

>>8501289
>>8501301

This is incorrect.

A properly extracted coffee will taste good at room temperature, but most people make and drink coffee that is very badly extracted and which tastes bad at room temperature.

The key is to avoid over or under extraction in the brewing process so you don't make the coffee overly sour or bitter in the first place. Then it will taste fine at room temp.

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>>8502101
>No. I get my coffee from a local roaster that roasts coffee to order and overnights it to you, so I get it the day after it was roasted.
So with all your wisdom there is not enough room in your chicken brain that taking freshly roasted coffee beans and on the same day that they were roasted
to packaged them in air tight sealed bag and transport them creates very bad environment for freshly roasted coffee beans.
All the gasses all the carbon dioxide in coffee beans are not having chance to properly escape and therefore are creating very destructive environment for the precious coffee oils.
Those beans being air tight sealed in a bag and in a shipping box ready for shipping to you are "chocking right after roasting on their own chemistry inside of the bean",
and coffee beans right after roasting should be able to "breathe", same as you don't put freshly baked bread into air tight plastic bag.

That shows how really little you know about proper care of freshly roasted coffee beans thinking that getting them shipped right over night
in air tight packaging is getting you a superior coffee beans.
No it's not.
>Unfortuantely this means you look like a bit of an idiot

P.S. learn to spell properly
Unfortuantely >> Unfortunately

>>8502368
>Air tight sealed bag

Nope.

Too bad about all the shitposting you wasted there, but nice try in attempting to change the subject.

>>8502368
#destroyed >>8502101

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>>8502119
are you always posting on a such stupid level or this is special occasion.

>Coffee making is simply a process of using water to try and extract certain soluble compounds out of coffee beans while trying to avoid extracting other soluble compounds out of those beans.
O yes I get it, you mix hot water and coffee grounds and you tell the hot water only to react with certain particles in coffee grounds and not to react with other particles of the coffee grounds.
anon you again managed to sound so very stupid that is very entertaining reading your shitty posts where you trying so hard
to look smart but you always in every single of your posts look like an village idiot.
keep posting anon, keep entertaining us with your stupidity, it's a blast lol

>>8502380
>to change the subject.
I'm not changing the subject
I'm staying on the subject showing and proving that you are an idiot making silly unscientific statements.

but don't get discouraged anon, we all need to be entertained by an village idiot and you doing great job, keep posting please it's crazy funny reading your idiotic attempts to sound smart and knowledgeable but failing miserably in your every post , lol

>>8502389
>>8502380

That you are both clueless enough to think that any quality local coffee roaster would ever use sealed airtight bags just shows that neither of you have ever even bought fresh locally roasted coffee.

>>8502405
>O yes I get it, you mix hot water and coffee grounds and you tell the hot water only to react with certain particles in coffee grounds and not to react with other particles of the coffee grounds.

I just want to quote this idiocy for posterity.

>>8502421
(You)

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>>8498634
>>8498781
>>8498852
>>8500323
Feels so liberating not to rush first thing in the morning to make cup of coffee but just to make breakfast first and in mean time to sip on a chamomile tea made night before.
Chamomile tea has so many benefits.

18 Amazing Benefits of Chamomile Tea for Your Health.
http://naturalremedyideas.com/chamomile-tea-benefits/

10+ Great Health Benefits of Chamomile Tea.
http://skinnywithfiber.org/10-great-health-benefits-of-chamomile-tea/

I will have cup of coffee later in the day but I made changes after reading bunch of scary facts about health hazards associated with drinking wrong type of coffee
or drinking too much coffee and now coffee is not my priority but my health is.
Best decision I ever made

>>8502468
But they do use airtight bags, retard-anon.

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>>8502468
>hat you are both clueless enough to think that any quality local coffee roaster would ever use sealed airtight bags just shows that neither of you have ever even bought fresh locally roasted coffee.
Of course they do you dummy.
what? they just dump loose coffee beans into the box and tape it and put your address on it and it's ready to ship.
Don't act stupid PLEASE

All the bags at roasting coffee houses are air tight, you roll down the top part and you squeeze the tabs on the sides and if they use quality bags there is a one way air vent you dumb fuck.
they are called "valve bags"

>>8502486
>>8502499

LOL you guys buy from some shitty roasters.

Maybe if you guys do some Google research you can figure out what kind of bags most high quality local roasters use.

>>8502518
bag is this photo was just to show the air valve >>8502499
so don't get your pussy or your anus to wet and exited.

>>8502518
>Maybe if you guys do some Google research
>listen to me i'm educated by google therefore i'm the biggest shithead here

>>8502097
>>8502101
>this is the only thing i'm good at in my life i'm going to castigate randoms on the internet about the PROPER way to make coffee!!!

>>8502524
>air valve

Fucking flyovers, I swear. If you actually had any local coffee roasters in whatever Midwestern shithole you lived in, you'd know that local roasters don't use bags made of plastic or bags with air valves.

>>8502524
*
>>8502546
>or bags with air valves.
you are so full of shit that it's funny,
of course they don't use it because it's more expensive, you naive idiot

I bought whole bean dark roast from ikea and ground it with my blade grinder.

It's really nice~

>>8502575
show pictures please

>>8502585
pictures of what?

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>>8502575
Anon, ENJOY YOUR CANCER
>>8498634
>>8498781

>>8502601
>OMG EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER

Kindly fuck off.

>>8502595

Your plebbery.

>>8502608
so you have brain cancer already or just pancreatic cancer?
because drinking too much coffee especially dark roast coffee is the main cause for pancreatic cancer, very ugly painful shit apparently.

Pancreatic cancer is a disease in which malignant (cancerous) cells form in the tissues of the pancreas.
The pancreas is a gland located behind the stomach and in front of the spine.
The pancreas produces digestive juices and hormones that regulate blood sugar.

>>8498852
>>8500323
>As I said before in previous thread I do have a friend who was drinking coffee in quite large amounts (2-3-4 cups per day)
>and eventually got pancreatic cancer from it.
>Sad & painful story for him and for his family only over an "innocent few cups" of coffee.

>>8502595
pictures of the grinder and of the grounded coffee how it come out
i'm interested in buying one of those blade grinders, after reading all that scary stuff here about coffee i'm not going to invest much money in the equipment
i just like to go budget on the grinder and on the coffee making machine probably drip model

lads how do I into /don pedro/?

>>8502657
Maybe tomorrow when I make coffee again.
I don't see how spending less money on coffee equipment would make coffee any less "dangerous".

I only have a kettle, blade grinder and french press.
The whole setup was $45.

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>>8502687
>Maybe tomorrow when I make coffee again.
that's OK anon i got the idea save the trouble.thanks.
i think i will go for this model
Hamilton Beach 80365 Custom Grind Hands-Free Coffee Grinder, Platinum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mynzeeQcq8w

>>8502608
>>OMG EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER
>Kindly fuck off.
anon you are disrespectful piece of shit
instead of being grateful that other anon provided valuable information you telling him to fuck off you fucking arrogant cunt

Kindly die from cancer you useless fagg

>>8503043
Who comes into a coffee thread and starts screaming that you're drinking pesticides and carcinogens and that there's nothing you can do to stop it?

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>>8503052
it's a fucking part of coffee reality you fucking idiot

>>8503052
>and that there's nothing you can do to stop it?
hey you you fucking swine stop spreading lies
there are things you can do, of course you have to use your brain but for you that is beyond reach
since you have nothing but shit inside of your scull
read in those posts there is always solution given you pile of garbage
>>8498634
>>8498781
>>8498852
*
>>8498908
>>8500323
*
>>8501432
THERE IS ALWAYS SOLUTION GIVEN
but you are purposely trying to discourage others from finding the nasty side of coffee business
people like your don't give a shit about health of average coffee drinker you just prefer to sell as much as possible coffee grown with tons of chemicals
and green coffee beans stored in cheap warehouses without proper ventilation where toxic molds starting to grow on them

As in any business there is two types of people two types of businessman
first type is trying to make money at any cost without any morals or honesty in them, consciously selling products that will cause health problems to their customers
second type are the decent honest people who are not cutting corners to endanger their customers health and lives
and you anon belong to that first croup of scammers
you are the disgusting vomit of humanity

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how can you not get toxic molds growing on coffee beans if they are stored in those conditions where there is no proper air flow between the bags
and that is very common practice in many places since it cuts down on warehousing costs and on labour very significantly

>>8502761
garbage. for $45 you're better off buy a skereton

>>8503194
>skereton
what's a skereton

Are /coffee/ threads always filled with such rampant shitposting?

I'm a crossboarder who's been lurking the last two threads for purchasing suggestions and the levels of metatrolling I'm seeing here are on par with [s4s]

>>8503232
Yup. Try /r/coffee

>>8503232
back to redd it coffeeretard

>>8503232

Yes. You have to understand that /ck/ as a whole is upwards of 70% shitposting. It's literally the worst board on 4chan.

What kind of purchasing suggestions are you looking for?

>>8503232
/r/coffee/ is practically all roasters and other web vendors posting, FYI

/r/barista/ is more on the consumer side, a bunch of poorfags who work for coffee shops

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>>8503201
>skereton
you know, a skereton.

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>>8503232
>filled with such rampant shitposting?
you mean with factual scientifically accurate statements that there is other side of coffee the ugly toxic side of coffee industry that majority of people are not aware of it

it that what you are referring to???????

The Science Behind Just One Mold Toxin in your Coffee.
https://blog.bulletproof.com/one-ugly-mug-the-science-behind-just-one-mold-toxin-in-your-coffee/

There are two main forms of contamination of agricultural products by ochratoxin, known as ochratoxin A and ochratoxin B.
In shorthand these are referred to as OTA and OTB in most scientific literature.
Ochratoxin B (OTB) is less common and less toxic than OTA. OTA is produced most often by two Penicillium species (P. verrucoum and P. norduim) on poorly stored cereals
or by a wide range of Aspergilli in variety of products, including wine and coffee.
(Incidentally, this is one reason wine is on the “avoid” end of the spectrum on the Bulletproof Diet.).
Aspergillus ochraceus in particular contaminates dried foods, but more importantly seems to be the culprit along with A. niger for contaminating green coffee beans.

Because of this, it is well established that OTA and other mycotoxins are present in green and roasted coffee beans.
It is so alarming, in fact, that many countries set strict limits for OTA in foods, including coffee.
The US has no standards for coffee, so it lags behind the EU, South Korea, Singapore, and even China, which all set limits at economically feasible levels.
OTA is just one of the 27 toxins that are controlled for in Upgraded Coffee.

But doesn’t roasting kill the mold?
Roasting kills the mold, but the mold toxin – the OTA – remains.
It is by most accounts an extremely stable compound only beginning to degrade at 180 degrees Celsius.
Consider the complex aromas and flavors you get out of Upgraded Coffee and you can contemplate how those fragrant chemicals don’t breakdown at roasting temperatures.

>>8503287
tl;dr

>>8503274
Eh, I was looking for a programmable drip coffee maker with a grinder but then I noticed that none of the good ones were available in my country and I gave up

>>8503308

Honestly, be glad you didn't buy one. They are all overpriced garbage.

Unfortunately the only way to make good coffee without spending crazy sums of money is to use manual brewing methods.

>>8503288
yeah, that really hurts me
you are so dumb

p.s. of course you did you raging homo fagg

>>8503317
don't listen to this idiot he knows shit
i have one of those average priced units and it makes excellent coffee

>>8503317
>manual brewing methods
I'm really not in the mood for doing anything manual in the morning which is why I'm looking for something programmable to turn on in advance.

Which would be the lesser of two evils in terms of taste, drip coffee made on beans that were ground ~8 hours prior or drip coffee made by a grind+brew combo?

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Who here /cowboy coffee/? Basically I boil some water in a saucepan, then spoon the coffee directly in and let it boil for a few minutes. Is there anything wrong with doing it like this? I can't see any obvious reasons not to, and it gives pretty good results in my opinion.

>>8503354
Lmaoing at you're life

>>8503354
Overextraction.

>>8503349

Oh a grind and brew will definitely be preferable to grinding the beans the night before. That doesn't mean it will produce coffee comparable to a manual.method though.

I'll see if I can dig up anything that isn't complete trash. What's your budget?

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I really like this stuff :)

>>8503426
Around €100-300, but it has to be available in Europe, otherwise customs and shipping fees will fuck me over hard.

How do I make the coffee on the right?

>>8502101
>Unfortuantely this means you look like a bit of an idiot when you try to pretend that the coffee you ground 10 hours ago and allowed to sit overnight in your piece of shit drip machine isn't as stale as 10+ day old whole bean coffee, which makes your whole shitposting shtick about roasting your own coffee look pretty foolish.

It's widely accepted that whole roasted beans more than 5 days old cannot be called fresh. On the other hand, grounds from those whole roasted beans can be considered fresh for up to 12 hours after grinding. Anything that is in a bag at a store is shit unless it is grean beans that you will roast yourself at home.

Learn about coffee before you come here and shit post all over the place.

You got schooled about 5 times in this thread by a guy that uses a popcorn popper and a Mr. Coffee. I feel bad for you. It must be truly embarrassing.

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>>8503349
why don't you fucker join the 21century and use excellent quality instant coffee and stop whining here.

>>8500615
I do it for free.

>>8503627
it figures,
you doing such a shitty job

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>>8503622
Needs more subtlety.

>>8500673
While you are correct on nearly every point, apart from one, than being the control you have over a cup using a Moka pot. Moka pot has as much control as any press, and almost as much control as pour over / espresso. I have spent countless hours tweaking grind size, pre-brew temps, flame settings, and pull-off times, and each variable changes the outcome to a noticeable degree, to the point where you can alter each for every roast batch / type of bean.

>>8503608
>5 days

No. The consensus is 14 days.

>12 hours

Again, it's oxidization in both cases, which is directly proportional to surface area, so even if 5 days weren't an absurd lie, that would mean 12 hour old ground coffee = 5 day old whole bean, and therefore cannot be called fresh.

>>8503647

That sounds reasonable, actually. I'm not that familiar with moka pot brewing so I will take your word for it.

>>8503647
So all that proves my point that new technology instant coffee is the choice for modern sophisticated coffee drinker who is looking for solid great taste and consistent results.
All your other brewing methods are inferior when it comes to consistency in quality.
Fucking primitive stubborn plebs.

Was coffee a mistake?

>>8503166
*
>>8503733
no but it has to be approached and consumed with caution

>>8503733

/ck/ was a mistake.

>>8503806
we are the experts
you have no choice

I had enough
you guys scared the shit out of me
fuck coffee in the ass

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Fuck coffee.

>>8503673

You're clearly just fucking retarded mate. Sorry if I'm the first to tell you - but something tells me you've heard it before.

>>8504268

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.foodrepublic.com/2011/08/05/why-does-coffee-get-stale/amp/

>Why Does Coffee Get Stale?

>Just as iron is oxidized to form rust, stale coffee is what you get when roasted beans (or grounds) have been oxidized from exposure to oxygen; the more intense the exposure, the more quickly oxidized and stale your coffee will become.

>First, never buy pre-ground coffee beans. When beans are pulverized into a fine or coarse grind, the oxidation process is accelerated. This means that grinds exposed to air will become stale faster than if the beans were left whole upon purchase. You’d never slice a fresh apple and leave it in your kitchen for days before eating it, would you? The same courtesy should be applied to your coffee stash. Grind your beans as close to brewing as possible, and only grind as much as you need to avoid any waste.

https://www.deathwishcoffee.com/blogs/news/88350401-does-coffee-go-bad

>HOW LONG WILL MY COFFEE STAY FRESH?

>It is recommended to drink coffee within the first two weeks of receiving it.

https://www.beanground.com/roast-date-coffee/

>On the other hand, coffee that is older than say 14 days is viewed as being stale.

http://www.perfectdailygrind.com/2015/09/what-roasting-dates-can-cant-tell-you-about-coffee/

>Generally, if I’m looking for coffee to consume immediately, I find that anything between 8-21 days of roasting is best.

http://www.20-east.com/simple-roast

>Coffee is considered stale just 14 days from its roast date

http://lakecitycoffee.com/coffee-cup/buy-best-coffee-online/

>coffee reaches its peak flavor in 3-7 days after roasting and quickly degrades from there. And, all the space age technology in the world can’t preserve roasted coffee one little bit. So, 14 days after roasting the coffee begins to go “stale”.

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>>8504313

>>8504268

http://amp.businessinsider.com/why-coffee-gets-stale-when-sitting-out-oxygenation-2015-9

>Here's why coffee gets stale if it sits out for too long

>Coffee grounds arechock full of various oils, chemical compounds, and acids. These compounds, referred to collectively as "solubles," give coffee its flavor. They're extracted from the grounds in the brewing process and give coffee its quintessential "coffee" taste and smell.

>But once those beans touch air, the oxygen begins to zap their flavor and make them smell different almost immediately by causing coffee solubles to either degrade and oxidize - kind of like howiron becomes rustywhen it's exposed to oxygen for too long - or because they drift away into the air.

>This is why roasters package their beans in vacuum-sealed containers, so the beans are no longer in contact with oxygen from the air.

>One of the most susceptible yet sweet-smelling solubles is a sulfur compound called methanethiol. It plays a key role in making coffee beans smell fresh, as well as masking less desirable aromas, such as the unpleasantly bitter smell that people associate with raw green peas. But then coffee continues to go stale when you mix coffee grounds with water. Coffee solubles dissolve best between 195 to 205 degrees Fahrenheit, so coffee brewed with hot water has a more full-bodied, flavorful taste profile than coffee brewed with room-temperature or cold water, which is also called cold brew.

>>8504339
you contradicting yourself
stop it right now

>>8504339
>amp
I want mobile posters to leave

>>8504355
Agreed
they are nuisance

>>8504313
>being this mad in 2017

>>8504436
that fucker must be drinking very moldy coffee to be that messed up

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>>8504339
>>8504313

Lit AF. Dis foo' mad.

Look man. No offense. If you like your vacuum bagged shitty dunkin donuts french vanilla roast coffee.. then by all means keep drinking it.

All I'm saying is that the shit you drink, no matter how you grind it, no matter how you introduce the water to that shitty grind from your inferior grinder, no matter what temp, no matter how long it steeps, no matter how much you prewet the filter paper - you are starting with shitty coffee that wasn't roasted fresh and was distributed on the backs of non temp controlled trucks over a matter of weeks or months and probably sat on a shelf at a store or a warehouse for some amount of time as well.

You can't vacuum all the air out of those bags, first off. Secondly, there is oxygen inside of the beans themselves as part of the structure of the beans and part of the chemical make up of the bean. Once the bean is roasted the newly formed volatile chemical components and organics that are susceptible to this oxygen have a time clock running - no matter what you do to the beans. Freeze... vacuum... no sunlight.... it doesn't matter.

You get 5 days. That's it. It's stale after that.

If you aren't roasting at home, no preparation method is going to save you and anyone with a mr. coffee at their disposal will outbrew you instantly because they started with fresh, deliciously recently roasted beans.

I don't even have to reference anything because this is just common sense in the coffee tasting and grading world.

No one that is serious about coffee buys it from a grocery store.

Now that we're done with you.. you can go back to your chemex and your foldgers supreme.

Enjoy it for what it is... if you like.. you don't need to be defensive about it. That's fine.. you like stale shitty coffee. Probably 95% of America is right there with you man. You have plenty of company. You don't need to come into /ck coffee threads and sperg them up with your shit posting.

>>8504436
>Mad

More like lazy. Didn't feel like composing any more posts, so I figured I'd just start quoting existing articles to counter the avalanche of shitposting.

>>8504496

How much of a literal Midwestern flyover do you have to be to not have multiple local coffee roasters within driving distance?

I get my local roaster to overnight me my freshly roasted beans because I don't feel like driving across the city to their physical location, not because I live in Bumfuck, Wisconsin and the closest coffee roaster is a plane ride away.

Holy fuck you must live in a shithole if coffee has to travel that far to get to you.

>>8504497
>avalanche of shitposting

Pot, have you met Kettle? Yo, Kettle! This is pot.

Fuck off.

>>8504517
>Realizes he was wrong all along.
>Has to start making outrageous claims about overnighting fresh roasts even though he has multiple fresh roasters within driving distance
>even though he previously said that those vacuum roasts were good for years
>makes up insults about flyover land when most coffee roasters probably live in large cities and roast their own because they are part of the well educated liberal intelligentsia

Dude... You got school by a guy that uses a mr. coffee... like... 45 posts ago.

Just stop man.

It's really sad and embarrassing for you at this point.

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>>8504517
Totally #rekt

Go to bed man.

>>8504373
>>8504355

>still using a pc in 2020-3 instead of a smartphone.

Better crawl out of the 20th century before it's too late there gramps.

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>>8504517
>driving
>not flyover
Uhh...

>>8502101

>>8502101

>>8504538
>No. I get my coffee from a local roaster that roasts coffee to order and overnights it to you, so I get it the day after it was roasted.

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>>8497240

>>8504497
>to counter the avalanche of shitposting.
What avalanche of shit posting?
That there is a toxic mold growing on the coffee, or that the majority of the coffee plantations are using toxic chemicals
to protect their income source but at the same time poisoning unaware consumers in First World Countries (and in second World Countries)
but who gives a shit about them, we count the most in The First Wold.
Or that drinking dark roast coffee is cancerous, or that drinking coffee on empty stomach is very bad for your health.

Are you calling all that just avalanche of shitposting???????
Why not to call that very important informations that can save health and lives of millions of unaware coffee drinkers.


Let me start by saying this is NOT a post on “Why you should cut out coffee”. This post is to bust one “soundbyte nutrition” myth and give you the facts

The dark side of coffee is that it is generally grown on steep hills at an altitude of 2000ft in tropical climates. (Read:: HUMIDITY!!)
This climate for growing along with lower quality beans, and poor harvesting and storage methods mean that many of the cheap
commercial beans are laden with mycotoxins which are compounds created by molds that form on coffee beans (and cacao beans incidentally!).

These compounds cause all kinds of health issues including certain types of kidney disease, hypertension, and even cancer.
The mycotoxins can occur on any coffee beans and studies indicate that over 91% of coffee beans contain this mold.
Another study concluded that this mold is present in up to 50% of brewed coffee so the roasting and grinding process
really do very little to reduce these molds.
\
This same study found up to 52% of all green coffee beans.

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>>8504571
Why don't you digest some of this and acknowledge that this is dark ugly secret of the coffee industry.

The worst offending mold is Ochratoxin A which is damaging not only to kidneys and carcinogenic but also causes a suppression or all out war on the immune system.
For anyone who has ever lived or is currently living with toxic mold in your house you will understand the dangers as the mold on coffee is the same class as toxic mold in your home.
Have you ever had a cup of coffee that was so bitter you had to keep dumping sugar in to make it drinkable??
That’s actually the mold on the coffee coming through.
Funny how your body instinctively knows what is “bad” for you, eh?

The detractors in the health media that say coffee is unhealthy or even downright dangerous for health aren’t really talking about the actual coffee
rather the mold and mycotoxins on the coffee.
These toxins are what cause the majority of the actual health issues associated with coffee.
Oh and this reason is one of the many reasons I have not jumped on the “green coffee as a superfood” bandwagon.
There is no telling how most of these manufacturers process their beans.

Here’s the rub on “organic” beans. About 95% of the world’s coffee growers are actually small, family run plantations.
That’s not to say Folger’s doesn’t have a massive plantation somewhere in Brazil because they probably have several and they obviously use cheap beans
that are most assuredly full of these toxic compounds.
I am talking about the rest of the population that label their beans ‘organic’ and even ‘fair trade’.
In many of the countries that have coffee growers, these are small plantations using traditional methods of growing and hand harvesting.

Considering all that I guess safest thing to do is to stop drinking that shit.

>>8504636
According to some studies, consumption of black coffee, only if it's black, is associated with marginally increased lifespan. I get off it frequently, and always make sure to do so before traveling so I don't need to do extra planning just to prevent headaches.

>>8498781
Fake news.

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>>8504663
>According to some studies, consumption of black coffee, only if it's black, is associated with marginally increased lifespan
According to other studies consumption of dark roasted coffee is associated with reduction of lifespan.

see this:
CARCINOGENS in Burnt Coffee
>>8498634
CARCINOGENS in DARK Burnt Coffee are the same as carcinogens (cancer causing particles) found on burned meat/steaks.
>>8498781
after reading about health especially cancer issues with dark roasted coffee I just throw out all the dark roasted coffee beans I had
>>8498908

>>8504696
fake my ass you asshole
I guess truth hurts your business you dishonest cunt
of course you don't wan't coffee drinkers to learn about that ugly side of coffee business.

>>8496980
What tastes LESS like coffee?
Cappuccino or a Cortado?

I have to meet up with someone for coffee and they don't sell tea at that shop and I'm not a coffee guy.

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>>8504605
>>8504571
>giving a shit about commercial roasters
>he doesn't buy green and roast his own
>he puts sugar in coffee

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>8504707
>dark roast

It's trash.

>mfw it turns out the plebs drink moldy, dark roast coffee and get cancer for it

Sometimes reality just works out, huh?

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Maybe that's why Trump is not drinking coffee because he is smart and knows about the health danger it posses.

>>8504838
You're taking health advice from the man who shovels filet o fishes down his gullet?

>certain types of coffee are bad
>therefore you should stop altogether

What agenda do you have? Is the tea industry paying you or something? I assure you, I drink plenty of tea with my coffee.

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>>8504843
>What agenda do you have?
Agenda?
My agenda is to learn and to share with others what I found.
And with coffee I found very ugly brutal full of chemicals toxic cancerous moldy truth that I was not aware of it before.

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>>8504869
>I found very ugly brutal full of chemicals toxic cancerous moldy truth that I was

Oh, you're just Asian.

nvm, carry on.

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>>8504883
~desu

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Why haven't you filtered the mycotoxins shitposter yet?

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>>8504907
afraid of truth?

>>8504907
>>8504930
or you don't care is you are poisoning people as long as you making money selling questionable quality product
you know all that nasty stuff about coffee but you like to be hidden from the public so it doesn't interfere with money making
for you and others like you, soulless greedy assholes

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I've never had coffee outside of shitty instant coffee from 7/11, McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts.

>>8504937
mcdonalds coffee isn't too bad, they're probably the least shit of all the fast food coffee places.
sometimes, they'll produce it without overextracting and its actually drinkable without cream.

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BRAVO-CALIFORNIA IS LEADING THE WAY.

I think we need to start campaign to have this type (or even stronger) warning signs displayed
in every place that sells coffee, be that coffee ready to drink or green and roasted coffee.

As posted in Starbucks Coffee, Lake Avenue, Pasadena, CA

PROP 65 WARNING
Chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and reproductive toxicity, including acrylamide, are present in coffee, baked goods, and other foods or beverages sold here.
Acrylamide is not added to our products, but results from cooking, such as when coffee beans are roasted or baked goods are baked.
As a result acrylamide is present in our brewed coffee, including coffe made at home or elsewhere from our beans, ground or instant coffee,
baked goods or other foods sold here, in grocery stores or other retail locations.
Your personal cancer risk is affected by a wide variety of factors.
For more information regarding acrylamide, see www.fda.gov.
For more information about acrylamide and Proposition 65, visit www.oehha.ca.gov/prop65/acrylamide.html.

>>8504951
How's Starbucks' hipster shit? I like their caramel frappuccino but then again I like anything with caramel in it.

I want to get an actual cup of coffee but none of the cafes I've been to have cute lolis.

>>8504963
I was looking at wood saws online and they had a fucking prop 65 warning for dust that you might breath in if you saw plastics and neglect your safety.

What the fuck, California.

>>8504968
unless it's a very busy starbucks, they're invariably going to have just 1 kind of brewed coffee and it's pike roast.
It's their worst blend and has no redeeming qualities other than tasting bitter and burnt.
If you ask for any other blend, they'll pull out a stainless steel french press and make your shit manually, but it's clear that they don't do this very often.

Last time I went to a starbucks, I asked for a blond roast and the girl working the counter had trouble finding the blond roast beans and then had to hunt down their french press which probably hasn't been washed lately and I'm pretty sure she fucked up and just served pike roast hoping I wouldn't notice, because it tasted like pike roast.

>>8504963
There may be something to that perhaps. I am a 5 year employee of Starbucks and drank their coffee every day.
I am 31 years young and was just diagnosed with breast cancer. Really young for that.
Now im wondering

This thread is too full of memes and shitposting, so just come right out with it: How do I make the perfect coffee? From the beans all the way to serving.

>>8503232
No. I'm also a crossboarder and come here for a few threads. Both coffee and tea have grown progressively shittier over the last few months. Tea is infused with insufferable teabag retards and coffee now has this fearmongering coffeetroll and retards arguing about bags.

>>8503354
Make a turkish coffee then faggot.

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>>8504907

>>8504963
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(16)30239-X/fulltext
Apparently, the scientific community considers the consumption of coffee to not increase the risk of cancer. That scientific paper is a review of a lot of studies, fuck you for making me worry enough to look it up.

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I'm using one of those and grind the beans myself but it takes forever. Should I buy a coffee filter machine? We've got one at work and it's a whole other level of comfiness. I actually prefer it to the espresso machine we got there too.

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>>8505533
>Apparently,
APPARENTLY is the key word here.
Just keep in mind that coffee is the second largest commodity traded after crude oil, that should tell you how huge coffee industry is.
That should tell you also how extensive cover up of all the negative aspects on health that coffee has will be financed by this huge industry.
Those scientific studies are not necessary for intelligent person to put 3 or 4 facts togheter.Let's list them.

Fact 1. Coffee industry is using huge amounts of TOXIC chemical fertilizers and pesticides to keep this crop producing it's fruits, the coffee beans.
Remember that some countries getting more than 50-60% of their national income from selling coffee beans.
>>8498852
>>8500323
>>8501432
Fact 2. Due to labour cost savings and inadequate warehousing coffee beans are stored and transported in conditions that are
promoting growth of TOXIC molds, see here:
>>8503166
>>8503189
>>8503287
Fact.3. DARK ROAST coffee beans,
You don't need scientific studies to tell you that consuming burned charred food is not a good idea.
Again look at burned charred meat or bread toasts or any other food, do you honestly think that eating that food is healthy for you??
So why do you think consuming dark roasted burned charred coffee beans will be any different from health point of view.
And we know that the reason coffee beans are roasted charred to DARK ROAST level is that most of the green coffee beans on the market
are of a very low quality and have very poor flavor and taste so the only solution is to dark roast (char) them to make the flavor taste more uniform
and more appealing to the unsuspecting consumers so they can be sold and bring profit to the producers and to all the middle men.

And notice that those low quality green coffee beans dark roasted are not sold to the consumers at lower price, no, they are sold at the same price
as the high quality green coffee beans roasted to medium roast or to level levels like blond roast >>8498634

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>>8505533
So tell me why those doctors and smart scientists are telling us that eating burned charred toast bread (or meat) is very bad for us and will cause cancer
but they are not warning us that consuming dark roasted charred coffee will also give us cancer.

Don't you think that there is a huge conspiracy here to cover up the truth because coffee industry is a huge business
and what would you do with all that substandard coffee beans supply if you can not sell it if it was roasted to safe levels like to the MEDIUM roast
but roasting charring those same low quality beans to DARK ROAST is assuring sale and big profits,
but hiding the health hazards associated with consuming dark roast charred coffee is not a problem for some of the representatives
of the dishonest coffee industry..and we have many of them here in this thread actively trying to hide the truth from you people.

People open your eyes.
Coffee is exiting beverage to consume, but chose your coffee wisely please so later if you or your family member gets cancer that is
connected to drinking wrong toxic coffee don't get mad, you were provided the facts.
Share your concerns with your friends and your family members, talk about the type of coffee you drink, the amounts of coffee you drink,
drinking on a empty stomach first thing in the morning - talk about it - your health your live quality your life is on the line, friends.

I'm not telling you to stop drinking coffee but please don't drink coffee that is full of toxic chemicals toxic molds and never again drink dark roast coffee
and never again drink coffee on a empty stomach.

CHOOSE YOUR COFFEE WISELY. DON'T BECOME VICTIM TO DISHONEST GREEDY COFFEE MERCHANTS.

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>>8505826

>>8505075
Do you eat red meat? That's the leading cause of most cancers

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>>8505778

Coffee is still infinitely safer than Tea from China where they are the ONLY COUNTRY THAT STILL USES DDT... a known Carcinogen


Today's Chinese Cancer Epidemic is growing at an exponetial rate.

I'll stick to coffee over tea any day.

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>a pebble broke the lower burr on my skerton
>order one through email from Hario North America yesterday
>still hasn't shipped and then will probably be a week after it does

>>8506202
just get japanese tea

>>8506202

I usually buy Japanese Tea. Never trust Chinese food products.

>>8506207
> Never trust Chinese food products.

You don't have to tell me twice.

> Fake Chinese bubble tea pearls made from old tyres, shoe soles – report

> A recent report from regional broadcaster Shandong Television has set the internet alight after revealing that one of the country’s favourite drinks may contain leather shoe soles and used tyres.

In package for lifestyle programme “Life Help,” a reporter in Qingdao drinks a pearl milk tea from a local shop and then goes a nearby hospital to undergo a CT scan. The scan showed a stomach full of undigested tapioca pearls.

>Undercover interviews with milk tea shop managers around the city revealed that none of them seemed to know either. At one shop, however, one of the unwitting subjects appeared to come clean: “They’re all made at chemical plants. To put it bluntly, they’re made from the soles of leather shoes and old tyres.”

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>>8506207
>Never trust Chinese food products.

China arrests 900 in fake meat scandal

Police in China have arrested 904 people for "meat-related offences" over the past three months, including a gang that made more than £1m by passing off fox, mink and rat meat as mutton, the country's public security ministry has announced.

One suspect, named Wei, earned more than £1m over the past four years by purchasing fox, mink and rat meat, treating it with gelatin, carmine (a colour produced from ground beetles) and nitrate.

The meat had been sold to food processing factories who made products distributed around the world.

>>8506215
Aren't you supposed to chew the boba pearls?
You'd know they're made of fucking rubber just by tasting them.

>>8506226
Did someone tell the dollar store steak anon that's what they're eating

>>8506270
You can't seell beef in the US without it being marginally edible as per USDA standards

>>8506281
That's what they tell you

>>8506234
>arent you supposed to cook the eggs?
>youd know if they were fake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfB7SUufcGE

>>8506288
How old are you?
I can't imagine anyone under the age of 30 going on 4chan and spamming health scare shit.

>>8506296
They're at least automating this, right?
It seems easier to just raise hens.

>>8506298
>4chan is serious business

HOW DO I MAKE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT?

>>8506321
Make coffee
take half the coffee and blend it with ice in a 1:1 mix
mix the concoction back with the unblended coffee

>>8506301
>They're at least automating this, right?
No.
>It seems easier to just raise hens.
Well, when you have effectively slave labour and unlimited access to whatever industrial waste they're using...

>>8506304
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zUVYZVwcf_k

>>8506178
we are talking coffee in this thread so don't act stupid OK??????????
and don't try to derail in a very stupid way this fact finding presentation OK?????????

>>8506173
EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!,
the BIG ugly lies that BIG COFFEE INDUSTRY if pushing on unaware consumers that commercially grown coffee is 100% safe for our health.
>>8505075
>>8504963

.

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>>8506202
Both big commercial industries growing coffee and tea are using tons of toxic chemicals.
and what goes in China with tea is not excusing what goes with coffee growing and processing industries.
If you blindly accepting that coffee if therefore automatically safe because what China is doing with tea
then you are or stupid or are lier or both.

And as other anons said
>>8506204
>>8506207
you are fool if you are buying any food product grown or processed in China.
Buy Japanese grown tea, but after nuclear disaster I would made sure that there is no soil contamination.
But strange fact is that in Ukraine just few years after the Chernobyl nuclear explosion all the people moved out,
but plant life and animals and birds vere thriving, and that puzzles scientist.

Animals Rule Chernobyl 30 Years After Nuclear Disaster.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/060418-chernobyl-wildlife-thirty-year-anniversary-science/

30 years after Chernobyl disaster, wildlife is flourishing in radioactive wasteland.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/23/wildlife-returns-to-radioactive-wasteland-of-chernobyl/

>>8506321
http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzUVYZVwcf_k

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>>8506977
You're derailing a coffee enthusiast thread with information that no one asked for or cares for. Start a new thread, because this shitposting obviously isn't appreciated here.

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>>8507462
>coffee enthusiast
I'm coffee enthusiast as the next asshole here, I still drink coffee every day.
>>8507462
>You're derailing
since when presenting true scientific facts is called derailing?
are we back to communist and nazi dictatorial times of censorship?
>>8507462
>that no one asked for or cares for.
speak only for yourself, you must be one of those dishonest greedy assholes who sells coffee full of toxins to naive unsuspecting customers, yes?

our next project is to introduce this allover the country so don't worry your rain of dishonesty about coffee is coming to an end
>>8504963

Finding Toxin-Free Coffee.
http://www.complimentcoffee.com/tag/ochratoxin-a-in-coffee/

Fear of drinking contaminated coffee can only be dealt with effectively with educating the public of what they should be looking for in their coffee choices.
Here are the things I would look for.
1. Wet Processing over Dry Processing
2. Grown at a higher elevation… over 4000ft or 1200m is pretty high (less mold grows at high elevations)
3. Avoid Decaffeinated coffees. Mold grows less freely in the presence of caffeine.
4. Avoid Blends and buy beans from a single farm. We can track the bean origin better.

Below I have listed some simple proven steps that will allow you to enjoy your cup of coffee without having it ruining your health.

Simply don’t drink decaffeinated coffee (I don’t know why you would want to anyhow?).
As I mentioned above the caffeine in coffee helps to prevent large amounts of Mycotoxins from growing.
Simply put, the caffeine acts as a Mycotoxin inhibitor.
Always try can drink coffee that has been processed via the wet method.
Mycotoxins are typically formed during the drying stage of coffee processing
and wet beans are much less likely to contain these molds and fungi over dry beans.

>>8505826

>>8507543
I bet standing outside in the sun for 10 minutes gives you more cancer causing free radicals than coffee does in your entire life.

>>8507574
we are not discussing sun in this thread
coffee is the topic of this thread
don't try to be smart because you are ending up as usually to sound very stupid, again

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>>8507574
>I bet standing outside in the sun for 10 minutes gives you more cancer causing free radicals than coffee does in your entire life.
This is biggest bullshit statement not supported by any scientific data ever posted in the history of the internet.

>>8507585
But if you really want to save people from food related cancer, it would be better to speak against canned food, red meats, microwave popcorn (all more popular than coffee and ingested by children)

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>>8507543
>>8507585
>>8507616
So, fellow coffee enthusiast, what's your favorite brewing method and choice of beans and rosy? Just curious.

>>8507718
And sugar and high fructose corn syrup

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This is easily some of the best off-the-shelf coffee I've ever had.

>>8507718
>>8507585
>coffee is the topic of this thread
>don't try to be smart because you are ending up as usually to sound very stupid, again

>>8507727
>and rosy?
what's that ?

>>8507755
probably phoneposting 'roast' but the acrylamides must have got him

>>8507755
>>8507837
OK thanks,now that I got that answered let me answer this post
>>8507727

right now for last 2 weeks I'm using my Aeropress that I bought just before Christmas,
before that I was using my old style moka pot, before moka pot I was using for around 2 months french press but didn't like it.

At first when I got Aeropress I din't like it but after around 10-15 uses I like it now quite a bit.
Most times I use the metal filter that Apress come with sometimes I use the paper filter.
>>8507727
>and choice of beans and rosy?
Now I have this coffee (beans) locally roasted: ETHIOPIA YIRGACHEFFE BANKO DHADHATO.
Varietal: Heirloom
Processing: Sun-dried Natural.
Roasted: light medium

>>8502103
I just use a spoonful of instant.

Daily bump!

How to make coffee sour like at the cafe?

>>8509820
use boiling water when brewing

>>8509824
Will that make it more sour than bitter? I don't want bitter.

>>8509829
Why don't you try it and find out?

>>8509820
>>8509824
>>8509829
Sour = under extracted
Bitter = over extracted

Boiling water will over extract. You want to cut down your brew time, increase grind size, and/or lower the water temp