Working doing business in Japan

Why would you want to work in Japan? The job market there is essentially closed, particularly for skilled workers. Also the people are incredibly xenophobic and racist. If you aren't ethnically Japanese /and/ speak fluent Japanese expect to be ignored at best or treated like dog shit.

The country is extremely hostile to immigration, which is essentially impossible due to a number of laws that make it difficult to impossible to own property much less obtain citizenship. Even if you did live there permanently you'd be paying rent for the rest of your life.

Also, rent is nuts everywhere in Japan.

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>>995638
>want to experience life in a different part of the world but where its still relatively modern and has some kind of functional legal system and isn't corrupt.

and you decided to move to Japan

top fucking kek OP, I hope you aren't serious

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>>995692
>xenophobic
this, japan is mostly a place to shop and party(sex). Japan is way ahead of other places and guess what? Job market is gonna be tight tight tight!

I always suggest people visit a place before they think about living there.

>>995692
/thread

Um, what

I didn't say I wanted to work for a company, just that I wanted to run a startup/company from Japan

Pretty dumb board tbfh

>>995692
I don't think the japs are that racist, they seem the types to live and let live

>>995710
How is it corrupt? The yakuza?

>>995885
Im sure its possible to do startup companies in japan.

i have no idea about the law on company ownership for foreigners. Maybe you could google it.

Maybe its like other countries where any company has to be part domestic owned.

Just speculating at this point. What sort of company would tou like to start OP?

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>moving to one of the most expenses places to live just to do remote work

If you want to work remotely, then move to one of the cheapest places to live, like Central America, Southeast Asia, etc.. But that's none of my business.

>>995894
A consulting firm to start with

>>995899
But the whole point of moving is to go somewhere better. Why would I move to a shithole again? I'm just wondering if there are parts of Japan that are out of the way and not as expensive as others.

>>995910

>Doesn't want to live on their own private beach for $20K/year
>Would rather pay $2K/month for a 400sqft apartment

>>995910
You're an idiot

>>995885
>I don't think the japs are that racist, they seem the types to live and let live
And what are you basing that assumption on? They are incredibly racist. If you're visiting, they are some of the nicest people in the world. But they do not want you to live there. For whatever reasons, they're a very xenophobic people. The culture is incredibly difficult to acclimate to, and, outside of tourist areas, you're going to find an almost hostile environment. Rethink this.

Also, starting a consulting company in Japan as an ex-pat is a surefire way to end up broke and miserable.

>>995885
>How is it corrupt? The yakuza?
lol

>>995943

>The culture is incredibly difficult to acclimate to

Do you have concrete examples? Besides the tentacle porn stuff.

You just know OP is a massive weeb with a skewed view of Japan and minimal world view or business acumen

>>995638
>functional legal system and isn't corrupt
And you want to go to Japan?

>>995885
>I don't think the japs are that racist, they seem the types to live and let live
Oh, this thread is getting better. You know how there are people who are polite to your face, but hate your fucking guts? Won't deal with you, won't help you, wouldn't put a foot out to trip you? But still smile and nod at your face? That's the Japanese, you filthy gaijin.

>corrupt
Alright, I don't think "corrupt" is particularly the correct word anymore (go back a decade or two, and the answer would definitely be corrupt), but it is who you deal with and your reputation/honor. You will be judged, judged harshly, and have to play by all the social rules perfectly, and even then, it's always going to come down to who you know. And you have to know people, be related, or have other connections. You have no "in," you won't be able to build connections like you can in Europe or the U.S. It's not the same, because like it was said earlier, the racist assholes love to be polite and nod at your face, and then fuck you over for their own gain in the end.

Literally why, you don't speak Japanese, do you think you can just go live your life there? Don't think people will accept you. Find a better city in UK to live instead of shitty London (or whatever Bong city you live in)

>go there expecting meme anime wonderland (le tentacle porn xDD)
>refuse to learn the language
>refuse to at least try to assimilate to their culture and act obnoxious towards them (maybe only out of ignorance)
>excpect to be treated like an equal from day 1 while you communicate on the level of a 3 year old and do things that are mindblowingly retarded from their point of view
>Waaah why are japs so racist/xenophobic [insert blogpost/30 min long youtube rant here]

Nobody will hate you for being white. You will however stand out and attract a lot of attention (which shouldn't be confused with racism), because japs rarely see white people.

Unlike western cûck nations, however, the japs expect their immigrants to fully integrate into society. They have been living on the same island for thousands of years in practical isolation and are still racially and culturally very homogenous after all.

Pretty sure OP is a weeaboo who thinks Japan is like one of his Japanese animes.

Japan is a great tourism country. Fuck, its one of the few countries outside the West where you would have a good time as a tourist even if you were black. But living there? I'd hate it if I wasn't Japanese, and only slightly less so if I was.- this is the country that has just repealed their Freedom of Press laws, and now has their Prime Minister dictating what can can't be said on air. Shortly put, your delusional if you think Japan is "live and let live" - remember these are the fucks who with their tiny island used to continually bully the shit out of the rest of Asia.

Living there, as a non sponsored English teacher, is tough. Opening a fucking bank account is hard as a non-Japanese. Getting a permanent apartment? GOOD FUCKING LUCK, no one will rent to you if you aren't a Salaryman. Starting your own company? Are you delusional? To apply for working residence in Japan, you would need a company to sponsor you, so if you don't have that give up.

If you don't know anyone in Japan, right now, willing to
1.) Sponsor you to get a working visa
2.) Give you those bullshit credit papers so you can rent a house
3.) Allow you to open a corporate bank account in Japan to receive your money

Do you even fluent Japanese?

Then you are living a pipe dream. Besides, for the amount one would be paying in rent to live in Japan, I would rather live in London or Boston, maybe Portland.

>>995885

For what reason? What possible advantage could it lend you to be in Japan. You greatly overestimate your own skill in whatever field you're trying to "startup" in, no one is going to want to work remotely with some random who is in Japan for some reason. The only people who could do this are extremely (and I mean top of their field level) people.

Pretty dumb guy desu

>>996617

European Freedom laws aren't that great, let's be honest -- very few European countries let you own loli/shota let alone draw it (imo the yardstick of freedom of expression ends here).

Sad about Japan really. You're probably right about the intolerance, but there are many thousands of Brazilians and Indians living in Japan right now. Wonder how they get on.

>>995638

If you're open for it, OP, you could try India. It is ridiculously cheap outside the major cities (Pune is a great tech hub, and like a lot of the mid-size cities most closely approaches a Western city) and corruption manageable. My fiancee pretty much just bought an asshole cop because he only had a £50 note in his wallet. An asshole cop, sure, who ripped him off, but he could probably get anything from the guy now.

It's not designated outside of major cities either. Pune is temperate, cleanish and super cosy.

ITT: people who have never lived in Japan talking like they are experts.

I know you want to be all alpha with MUH CONFIDENCE, but you just look like angry losers.

Getting a cheap place to stay is trivial: oakhouse.com

Starting a business and owning property are all allowed for foreigners, you just got to have the money.

Yes, Japan has some of the lowest house prices in the world outside of major cities, due to the declining population abandoned houses are everywhere. You can get a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house in Akita for $30k.
As long as you have the money, realestate agents will be only too happy do all the paperwork for their new important customer.

You delusional teenage amerikeks need to stop pretending like you know more than how to turn on your macbooks

>>996641

Interesting perspective. Are you Japanese or a foreigner living in Japan? Do you think Japan will accept mass immigrantion anytime in the future?

I think it's just anything about Japan that brings out these feelings desu. It's typical 4chan ressentiment and anti-snobbery.

Go live in Isle of Mann or Gibraltar for their ridiculously lax tax laws. Or maybe somewhere like Budapest for being dirt cheap but actualy quite a pleasent place.

>>996641
>I know you want to be all alpha with MUH CONFIDENCE
Is that what their descriptions of Japanese culture were?
Displays of alpha confidence?

You must be such a fierce person. (By "fierce" I mean highly accomplished in trainspotting.)

>You can get a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house in Akita for $30k.
All very well, but since the population will continue to decline, it will sell for even less in five to ten years time. Rent will decline.

Could yield a nifty profit in a century or so, but most of us don't have the patience for that.

>>996652
probably a basement dweller.

>>995638
Don't Japanese software engineer here.

The language is very difficult.
The Yen is dropping.

Im not sure how hard it is to get a business visa/

Also the final nail on the coffin. The pay is low for programming I'm an engineer who makes $1,600 let that sink in for a moment. Japan thinks anyone can become a programmer in Tokyo programmers make less then $3,000 a month. Thats very shitty money for in my case often 14 hour days.

I can answer anymore questions if anyone is interested.

>>995638
Nips fucking despise Gajin man.
Besides, its not like there's any shortage of programmers in Japan.

>>995692

Rent is really cheap in Japan compared to the US.

It's also really easy to live in Japan and get a job.

Check out Korea. It is like Japan, but cheaper. Not that easy to get a visa, but more than doable if you got some money. Use about 20k dollars (I think) to "invest" in some business and you can get a business visa. But start by going in as a tourist and just take the boat or fly to Japan every third month. Lots of people doing it for years. If you like it, try to get a permanent visa.
Or in china. Take cheap Chinese classes for visa and just have fun and work there remotely.

Sorry I was probably not clear enough in the OP

I don't intend to work for a Japanese company at all, just live there

I plan to work remotely for other companies around the world, so this is more of a relocation + tax logistics type question than anything to do with working for japs, I already know they are slave drivers. Hence why I mentioned I world be interested to know about other countries.

>>995638
If Mark Karpeles did it so can you ;)

>>996641
The CEO of bingocardcreator.com, Patrick McKenzie is an foreign, ex-Japanese Salaryman, who runs a start up in Japan. He talks about doing exactly what OP is trying to do.

http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/

>I was immediately asked to leave the apartment “at your first available convenience” because “self-employed” is about one half-step above “homeless vagabond” in terms of social esteem in Japan. No amount of explaining “I am not a risk of non-payment — I have lived here without incident for years and my income has increased as a result of quitting the day job” would mollify my landlord.

...

>The second said “Look, umm, officially, I am supposed to just tell you that we decline your business and wish you luck. Unofficially, the bank doesn’t extend foreigners credit, as a matter of policy. You’ll find that is quite common in Japan. I know, it is lamentable, but I figure that you’d be able to save yourself some time if you knew.”

This guy went through a lot of shit, and keep in mind he was already a salaryman in Japan for years, not some weeaboo.

>>995910
no. outside of the big city it's just rural mountain villages that they can't slap a skyscraper or love hotel on top of.

Move to america maybe.Places like Atlanta are urban with low (comparative) costs of living and there is lots of room in america for solid programmers.

Raleigh NC is really booming too.

If you just want asian poon then go to thailand. It's pretty much a giant dollar store.

>>996641
where can I find houses like that? Just want to look at some for fun

>>997300
>>I was immediately asked to leave the apartment “at your first available convenience” because “self-employed” is about one half-step above “homeless vagabond” in terms of social esteem in Japan. No amount of explaining “I am not a risk of non-payment — I have lived here without incident for years and my income has increased as a result of quitting the day job” would mollify my landlord.
Couldn't he just pose as an employee of his own company?

>>995638

Living in Japan for 4 years now. Anything that involves the government, banks and legal papers takes a million years to get done, it's still very old here, retro fitted with modern with contemporary things. You need a form for this form and must go to x person then back to y person. Hell, just for me to send a money order home takes about a hour and 30mins, not included by travel time and if I made one mistake on the form.. Start over.

The country is poor and prices are high. The tax is about to jump up to 10 percent and corporate tax is one of the highest in the world. If you don't speak business Japanese you can't business in Japan.

I really don't know your true intentions, but if your really looking for some "fun" here I would just visit for 3 months. The yen is cheap now.

>>995638
Try korea

>>999636
I just want a nice modern peaceful place to live
I'm not looking for easy Asian poontang, if I was, there's plenty in London where I live now.

I wouldn't even necessarily be interested in doing business within Japan, I plan to consult for European companies or even just build my own products. I probably phrased this badly to start with but I really just want to live in a peaceful safe uncorrupt family-oriented country and be able to access the internet. The rest I could handle just fine. I realise there are probably better countries out there but I don't know enough about them or they have other problems , someone mentioned America which would be the logical destination, but it seems there are some serious societal problems going on there that make me think it would be a bad decision. There's no reason I couldn't run an American company from a different country anyway. I think a major point people are missing is that it's very possible to run an online business or consultancy from any country, as long as you have an internet connection. Hence the emphasis on finding somewhere that works for you personally, which in my case seems to be Japan, its my Goldilocks country.

My other thread is >>>/trv/1059185

>>999651

>I probably phrased this badly to start with but I really just want to live in a peaceful safe uncorrupt family-oriented country and be able to access the internet.

Japan isn't the former. Have you seen the birth rate?

>>999661
The birth rate being low doesn't mean the society has completely abandoned family values, they're still very family oriented, they just stopped making more people than they needed which is not an unwise thing. Africa would be a decent place to live if it wasn't for niggers literally everywhere.

>>999662
Family values? Japan very much respects family values. So much that your father beating on your mom you just stay quiet. Literally 80% of couples I know have a bf or gf on the side. Unhappily married? I got news for you, you don't get a divorce for the kids sake and not to mention the wife gets full custody. Your kids... They go to school were they get bullied for being half or foreign, then go to cram school for 2 - 3 hours a day and 3 - 4 hours on Saturday for their club activities.

I asked my 12 year old student what she wanted for Christmas and she literally said time. What 12 year old asks for time, it blew me away.

There are nice things about Japanese culture, but the reason it is not thrown into chaos is because of conformity and lack of individualism. From day one your taught to fit in and not to break the peace.

As a foreigner OP this is one of the worst places to go.

Now Japan is a changin and young people now think different from the older generation, I would say in 50 years or so Japan would be a cool place to chill, but for now there are better places to go. Plus not to mention with right winged Abe running the show this place is going to shit.

>>999813
>From day one your taught to fit in and not to break the peace.
"The nail that sticks out must be hammered down"

>>999813
Honestly from what you just said, other than the bullying, it sounds like the kind of place I would like to live. As long as people just leave me to my life and don't start shit randomly, then I would not have a problem. A 12 year old asking for time is a good thing imo, at least it shows she understands the value of something as precious as time. Not sure how obvious it was but I have some Asian ancestry so I have an idea of the culture and thinking and could probably pass myself off as a halfie if I cared about doing so (which I don't).

In my many years watching the anime. There is an underlying thread of hopelessness in Japanese culture.
The powerful people all have familial link or were in some way predestined to be great. No matter how hard they worked, or whatever odd coincidence made them strong. They always had some inherited capacity, where you are forced to say, "no shit he's strong" his dad's an overpowered ultralord.

If you can undo that programming with the western ideal of significantly higher independence of Nature and Nurture.

Its not that its an inflexible position its just a natural consequence of the current state of affairs with reduced birthrate and aging population. Strong Nepotism and High Barriers to entry, with low motility and innovation.

>>999861
This comes as a natural consequence of forced independence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k5XTZy0rA

>>999863
yeah, but asian women have great tits

Bmpu

>>995638
Japan is a stagnant shit hole that doesnt allow foreigners to do anything but spend money at the mall
go to china, Indo-china or the southeast peninsula
you'll actually have fun

>>999651
go to Mongolia and get a fiberoptic line

>>999876
no? the fuck? the average Japanese girl has an A cup, maybe B if they're lucky