What's the best degree to get for making $$$ http://ww

>>992625

bachelor of kneepad design

What's advise?

Stats

>>992643

Without finance? Just pure stats?

>>992625
If you study something you're not interested in just for "making money" you will fail out of 1st year.

>>992665

B-but I'm not really interested in anything.

>>992666
Well then you will fail at everything.

Seriously your question is perfect for Universities to make a bunch of money. They love people who "just trying to find my path in life XD" who never pass 2nd semester.

The fact that you're asking /biz/ to pick your major while giving none of your HS marks, interests or at least hobbies suggests that University isn't for you. Maybe try community college to see what you like and find what it is you want, that way you're not losing much money or time and still making a bit of progress.

>>992669

In europe university's free anyway. I already failed it before. Because it was too hard, and my interests are all the things that are useless degrees; history, etc.

>>992665
Wrong. I went into Applied Mathematics purely for the money, and prepared myself for the absolute worst, but I told myself that no matter how bad it gets I'd stick to it and finish the degree, because math is in demand here.

Now I'm studying it and I absolutely LOVE math. I'm doing nothing but math. Lowest grade this year so far has been an 8/10.

>>992674
>I already failed it before. Because it was too hard, and my interests are all the things that are useless degrees; history, etc.

You failed it before and you're going to major in something based on the responses of 4chan again?? No wonder you guys have such high taxes.

>>992676
That being said, all the other people in my degree who went into it for the money already dropped out.

>>992678
Yeah exactly...

>>992659
>pure stats

There is no such thing. Stats is all about application from the start which is why Stats is always in demand while most other Math majors have to do second degrees or hope for a thesis supervisor with links to industry to work with.

It has a very steep learning curve and a lot of setbacks for the average student both academic and career wise (waiting forever for an entry level job, failing/redoing courses, finding you knowledge adds to nothing when faced with harder problems and relearning endlessly), tho. So, if you are hoping for some easy road where you are earning 6 figures by 30 with no academic prestige (scholarships, olympiad medals, maths comp placings in high school), then you should probably look at something else.

If you're going to do something for money I'd recommend Accounting, Computer Science or Nursing as they have a much better work-life balance than Finance and they aren't as demanding degrees as something like Engineering or Medicine. An Accounting grad can do anything a Finance grad can and you'll have more skills to offer right off the bat as well as more of an ability to start your own business so keep that in mind, I wish I majored or at least got a minor in Accounting as well as my Econ component. Anyway Computer Science will probably be the most "future-proof" degree and Nursing there will always be demand for so those are 2 good ones to consider if youre into that.

In terms of $ Engineering/Computer Science are your best bet other than Medicine or if you got really lucky with Law and landed a niche role/became a partner.

>>992695
>If you're going to do something for money I'd recommend Accounting, Computer Science or Nursing

>Computer Science for "money"
Ok OP you should do this. I am sure Universities need more people dropping out within a semester or two when they realize compsci is the most boring fucking major in the world if you don't enjoy it.

Accounting if you don't enjoy it is insanely boring too, you will just hang yourself if you even graduate.

Nursing is caring for old fags all day and wiping their anuses.

Get a degree in medical lab tech. It's literally like 99.5% chance guarantee of a job within a month of graduation and the pay is good, as in $40,000 starting with good benefits even in economically depressed shitholes.

>>992703
>>992695
Comp sci for money sucks, if you don't like coding quit ASAP.

t. comp sci freshman who wasted his first semester.

Going into stats now, also why the fuck is everyone else going into stats? get out of my major REEEEE.

first I thought of doing stats and business courses, but my uni has a very good medical research program so I will concentrate in medical statistics.

I would do applied math, but who hires for that?

>>992718
>Going into stats now, also why the fuck is everyone else going into stats? get out of my major REEEEE

You mean you should get out of their oversaturated major

>>992732

Well that's why I'm asking, what's an non over saturated major that's not too difficult.

All majors are oversaturated except for shit like ancient greek history.

>>992710

This is probably the worst idea imaginable. Most lab techs are drawn from the pools of Medical Assistants who make $10/hr, LPNs, X-ray techs, phlebotomists, and EKG/imaging techs who can't find work.

Lab tech is pretty much a meaningless term, and they have rubber stamp certifications. The problem here is that there are going to be 1 or 2 lab technologists with actual degrees in laboratory studies who run a medium to large size lab. The vast majority of people who work in the lab are going to be allied health professions like listed above, and this is by design. Nearly anyone can serve as a lab body, which depresses wages for the vast majority of people working there.

The number of people who get the top positions in the lab are very small. You'll find tons of people bagging people as ER techs (drawn from EMTs, EMRs, LPNs, etc.) for low pay, while very few actual respiratory therapists numerically with certification and an A.S. or B.S.

>>992695

Nursing is a very mixed bag for men. It is essentially RN or bust if you ever want to get a good job, which means getting a bachelors. Men tend to advance more quickly, and make up a large proportion of advanced practice nurses.

That said, men make up 9% of nurses, so you have a field in which women have all the power. While physicians make clinical decisions, it will be the charge nurse or nurse administrator who is actually the "boss." for an RN. Outside of wiping asses (which RNs do far less of than LPNs or CNAs), just about every female nurse will have a chip on her shoulder working with you. Hate to break it to the women, but guys tend to be more competent, harder working, and gossip less, etc. Be prepared for dealing with gender politics daily and getting the worst for it (you'll end up "helping" lift 80% of the time), yet snarked about anytime a physician listens to you because you know your shit, and actually remember pathophysiology.

In society, you'll be looked down upon because you aren't a physician. Murse is not a respected profession. An accountant or financial advisor, on the other hand, would be, particularly if you own your own business. It isn't like accounting is high tier, but people know that a CPA is a professional. A Murse on the other hand is either lazy (not a doctor) or a fag, despite nursing education being no joke.

>>992674
If you already failed before because you weren't interested, why would the second time be any different?

>>992666
Truth.

As long as your degree or uni is shit tier and you have work experience, do insight programs and internships your post-uni life should be alright.

Accounting, Comp Sci, Finance, Economics, Mathematics, Mech Engineering, Petreoleum engineering, Gas and Energy Law etc Any respectable degree that doesnt take 1million years to complete i.e medicine and dentistry

I graduated with an econ degree three years ago. Worked at an insurance company i interned at the year before and am earning £32k yearly. I'm happy with how things turned out. Just work hard OP and remember the better at maths you are the better your career prospects are.

>>992882
isn't shit tier I mean lel

>>992818

Inorite. Hopefully because I'll be doing an easier degree, I will take it more seriously, and I'll be able to do electives in subjects I'm legitimately interested in.

>>992882

So Mathematics? Finance? Stastistics?

>>992625
>Finance and Statistics maybe

I'd stick to the straight Statistics degree at undergrad... the don't seem to offer a dual honours maths and statistics degree but you can probably chose other maths modules for your free choice modules

finance at undergrad is probably a waste of time - get a solid quantitative background and study it as part of a masters degree if you chose that route later... on the other hand an MSc in Statistics is going to be increasingly valuable for data science and finance roles anyway, so I'd get the BSc in Statistics then chose Finance or Financial Engineering or Statistics or Machine Learning for MSc later

>>992898

Thanks for the protip.

>>992806
fuck off degenerated fucking trash

How about geology?

>>992918
learn geography or underwater seaweed fishing. Great, in-demand majors that qualify you for countless jobs in the ever expanding seaweed industry.

I am doing a master's in statistics and even though the degree is in high demand, there is a reason why so few people go for it. It really is a pain in the ass a lot of the time and the work is also pretty boring. Even if I am now at masters level I still feel like I know nothing and most of my classmates say the same. But if I get through all of this I hope there is a big reward at the end. If you want to combine stats with something I would go for programming, many statisticians really suck at programming so there is a big market gap there.

>>992928

Is it hard doe? Or is it quite simple, mathematically. How does it compare with engineering type maths for example.

>>992933
I came from social science so I know nothing about engineering and can't really compare. I imagine though that it is similar to your average mechanical engineering degree but that for example engineering physics is harder.

The maths isn't too bad but when you have to apply it on real data it becomes really tricky fast. It is hard to know if what you are doing is correct or not, the only upside is that no one else has any idea either.

>>992928
>If you want to combine stats with something I would go for programming, many statisticians really suck at programming so there is a big market gap there.


well you could do this course - best of both worlds - solid stats background with machine learning courses from some of the top people in the field:

http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/degrees/msc_csml/

google and microsoft actively recruit from there, the guys who set up google's deep mind were academics at the gatsby lab there

>>992949

Nah I aint paying 11,000 per year for that shit, also I'm not smart enough. What I'm asking is what degrees give lots of money, stats+programming I could do, but would it give me loadsamoney?

>>992951
if you're not smart enough then become an accountant

get your accountancy BSc to get some exemptions, join a big 4 firm... do a job that is protected to some extent by having a professional body/chartered status and is well paid - then just play the politics game to ensure you're not stuck at the senior auditor level and have a shot at making it to partner

>>992912

Please point out where my assessment is incorrect? I've worked in the medical field, both pre-hospital and hospital based for over a decade. These are the realities of things which exist regardless of preference.

Nursing at the RN level is not a joke, and for undergrad the same A&P, microbiology, and science classes are taken as future physicians, optometrists, and physical therapists. However, being a male nurse is considered a stain on one's character in society. Fair? No. It is what it is, though.

The butthurt from female nurses vs. murses is also real, as male nurses test higher, receive more eye contact, and much more face time when discussing treatment options with physicians (regardless of if the physician is male or female). The same value that a physician places on a murse's clinical judgement, is the double edge sword that tends to create conflict with other nurses. This is talking about means and medians, not exceptions.

While nursing itself is a solid job with high job security and good pay, there are negative social ramifications outside of the workplace, and that does have its own impact.

>>992954

I mean I'm smart enough to do maths, but I'm not smart enough to become some tip top google boffin. If statistics maths isn't any worse than engineering maths then I can cope with that.

>>992625

I think the best degree you could have is knowledge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1RJTHf5fk

>>992806
wew you seem to know your stuff and every female nurse in every country also

>>992964
fucking knew it before i clicked the link.

>>992969

Not at all, my experience is only in regards to the US and Canada. The US is one of the few places where men even work in nursing. In East Asia, particularly Japan, male nurses are unheard of, similarly with non-developed nations. Europe is a whole different beast altogether.

While in general, women tend to be expanding rapidly into formerly male dominated fields (for instance the majority of new accountants are now female), there is a massive amount of entrenchment in certain sectors, such as nursing and secretarial work.

Nurses work hard, and it isn't easy (at the RN level), but from my own experiences, and those with a multitude of colleagues, it is a trap area of study for men. The solution to the negatives is getting more men into the field, but then overcoming those difficulties is why it is a trap in the first place. It really is bizarre.

Project Management for a large tech or construction company. Get your PMP cert after 5 years and you can pretty much coast to 130k+ a year before bonuses and incentives

My brother project manages large roadway construction in the midwest and he brought home a touch under 180k last year, but he only really works 8ish months a year. By Thanksgiving he is only working 10-15 hours a week until early March.

>>992983

And the degree 'project management' is the best way to get into it? Or is there a better way? Or better degrees/ similar degrees?

>>992983

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg

I want to make the maximum amount possible, no cap. what is guaranteed to get me 200k+ after 2-4 years? I might be able to dual major Accounting + Computer Science, or Finance + Accounting, but bear in mind. I want 200k+

>>992992

He got his BA in Project Managment, the other way is to work your way up from Estimator, which is basically no degree needed.

So technically you dont NEED a degree, but a degree skips you 6-10 years ahead of the guys who come from Estimating.

The PMP Cert is the important part. The difference between a PMP and non-PMP is about 40% in salary. For that all you need is 5 years in the industry. Once you hit your 5, pass the PMP and not only enjoy the pay bump, but know that it is going to be hard to replace you as there just arent that many PMPs in the country.

>>992999

You arent guaranteed 200k+ in any job that doesn't require a dam PhD, and even then it might be a stretch

>>992993
O

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That guy sitting beside the asian guy starred in the play that I went to see with my date. It was called the The play that goes wrong.

Unfortunately, that play was my last ever date with the girl.

>>993003
Fuck, I'll work a two 40 hour a week jobs for 250k.
No different than being a fucking investment banker, instead you do two different jobs.

Accounting + CS? Too difficult?
Finance + CS?
CS + Finance?
Statistics + CS?
Math + CS?

>>992999
>what is guaranteed to get me 200k+ after 2-4 years?
fucking nothing. m8.

This is like posting
>what degree do I get to become an astronaut guaranteed.

>>993008
fuck, but the highest chance > 70%

>>993007

It doesn't work that way. CPA for instance requires 150 credit hours + thousands of hours of work under a CPA in auditing and attestation.

Even becoming a certified financial planner requires 2-3 years of full time experience.

This is without studying for exams and such which require a great deal of time and effort off the books.

The only job with the income that you specified which would be almost certainly attainable would be a specialist physician. Family physicians only make upwards of $150-170k/yr. ER a bit over $200k on average.

Unless you want to be a cardiologist or surgeon, you are never going to hit that amount of income unless you end up in a boardroom somewhere.

>>993015
As a double major. How long does it normally take total to become an ER doctor?

>>993018

In the US, around 12-13 years.

Undergrad: 4 years

Medical School: 4 years

Residency: 3-7 years

You will be about a quarter million+ in debt by the time you actually make a decent paycheck.

>>993018
9 years.

>>993021
Quarter million for a doctor is very low. I work in a mail order pharmacy as their systems admin and some of the young pharmacists, which is only 6 years total are over 500k in debt.

Id say for a doctor you are getting close to 1 million in debt. Well over 1 million if you become a specialist

>>993021
residency isn't bad since it's basically working.

>>993015
Accounting and CS double major, or other mid tier degrees with double major.

>>993035

Except you are making less than an RN, so maybe 18 dollars an hour... and you have to make sure you have enough money to live as your student loan payments start 6 months out of school.

Not easy making a 14,000 a month student loan payment when you are bringing home $550 a week

>>993044
What happens if you don't pay the loan?

>get accounting and computer science degree
>work 100 hour a week
>jobs
>financial analyst and software engineer
>make 300k a year

>>993054

They sue you and garnish your wages, and unlike private debt, student loan debt garnishments can break the 130% rule.

In effect, you would be working 40-60 hours a week for less than minimum wage, forever. If you then quit your job and say screw it, Ill just not work...

You are also forever ineligible for public assistance, and you also lose all professional licenses granted by the state.

So, in short, you lose your medical license, any job you ever get again will pay below minimum wage, and doing anything to circumvent the court order will get you put into prison

>>993077
fucking hell. what about another major?

>>993034
Including homes or just student loans?

>>993007
>Fuck, I'll work a two 40 hour a week jobs for >250k.
>No different than being a fucking investment >banker, instead you do two different jobs.

>Accounting + CS? Too difficult?
>Finance + CS?
>CS + Finance?
>Statistics + CS?
>Math + CS?

>>993083
Become a physician assistant.

>>993085
You need a undergraduate degree first.

>>993079

Just student loans. Most of our first year Pharmacists that just took their Boards still live at home with their parents.

For the majority of them they will move back home for 3-5 years and dump every penny they have into the loans to get the payments down as fast as possible. We pay them well, much better than a hospital or retail would, but even then 130k a year before taxes isnt a lot when your loan payments are 3-5k a month

>>993079

Forgot to mention that if you want a nice home in a semi white neighborhood around here you are looking at over 1 million. Homes in Kenilworth Illinois average 4 million and a "shack" in the town starts around 1.6mil

>>993001
in software you can get some junior PMO role without a degree - in fact we had a really good project manager who started out that way, she got the experience learned to work well with everyone and knew when to back off and give the dev teams some room... On the other hand we had one girl who replaced her who didn't last more than a few months... had the certificates etc.. but was just a bitch and annoyed all the developers... they all pushed back, made her life really stressful and she walked out

>>993021
I guess it is slightly easier in the UK as you can go straight into studying medicine at undergrad and become a junior doctor after 5 years... no faffing around getting a random bachelors for 4 years before you even start your medical degree

>>993104
They hiring? as a pharmacy student with no loans that sounds pretty nice.

>>993117
How many docs do you think flee to us a year due to the nhs?

>>993119

Always, this place is a revolving door of idiots, lazy people, and soul crushing Start-up flipping executives.

Google mail order pharmacy Skokie IL

>>992959
>there are negative social ramifications outside of the workplace
only among uncivilized fuckwits and nigger trash like you

>>993119
>Fuck, I'll work a two 40 hour a week jobs for >250k.
>No different than being a fucking investment >banker, instead you do two different jobs.

>Accounting + CS? Too difficult?
>Finance + CS?
>CS + Finance?
>Statistics + CS?
>Math + CS?

>Don't do pharma

Anyone actuarial science major here?

I'm finance but when I transfer schools I'm thinking about Actuarial Science, then maybe a stats graduate.

>>993143
do what will make money

>>993136
Too late man, besides I've got contacs. If the profession dies I'll hopefully have enough to weather the change.

>>993123
no idea on the stats I'm not a medic though my sister is... I think Australia is quite popular for some

the US obviously pays well though I think there is some extra hassle in that they'd have to pass additional exams + visas are more of a faff whereas the for Australia they can just move there without much hassle on their points based system

>>993169
for example she worked in Australia for a bit and as a result is now pretty much able to move back there whenever she wants in future

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why do so many people want to go into stats?

>>992882
IT, Electric/Civil etc. Engineering as well as Physics andn Chem should be added to that list as well as anything in the health field

>>993189
BRO IT'LL MAKE ME LOTS OF MONEY AND HAVING A DEGREE IN IT WILL MAKE MY LIVE LIKE OFF THE WOLF OF WALL STREET

>>993205
I agree mostly but I really believe that anything in the health and medicine fields are too much of a risk.
Firstly, they charge way way way more than any other degree. One of my med student friends was paying £30k yearly. Un fucking believable. And it's a 5 year degree. On top of that after you finish there's more and more training. You're never out of it. You don't even start earning decent money until your 30's. Meanwhile youre busting your ass off like a motherfuck making mediocore money dreaming for the glory days when you start making it big. By that time you've lost all your hair, you're fat and boring and your dick dont work.

Its one of the main reasons I didnt want to go down the accountancy road. Too many exams and tests to get more qualifications for a pay raise etc. Just cant be arsed for that.

>>992625

OP I'll answer because you're also scottish. My advice is differnet from biz though. Don't disregard me just because i'm the lone voice of reason.

Take Mathematics, or physics, or chemical physics, or one of electricl / civil / mechanical / aeronautical engineering.

Fuck the dumb biz tards who tell you to get finance / business / stats / nursing. The reality is that biz is dumb and weill tell you to jump on any meme fucking degree.

You can get in to banking with any degree ffs! Just take one of the good degrees I listed and make sure to get as much work and extracurricular expereince as possible! LEadership positions especially!

biz is a bunch of pleb people. People respect you more if you do a traditional degree. Not this Finance and Accounting major with microsoft excel monkeying minor with neurlinguistics minor bullshit. I would sooner take a philosophy degree than finance and statistics.

Doing a non traditional degree signals that you're a bit low class and you don't nkow what this uni thing is all about and you just picked what meme interested you at one particular moment.

>>993242

Yeah, I think the important thing is just getting a degree, probably something mathematical I'm looking into it now. Shit's so complicated though. Glasgow seems to be flexible wwith what you can study so that's nice.

>>993207
are you serious ? because you can't be serious. stats are the worst thing.

>>993242
why recommend maths and physics yet slag off stats?

the stats degree is going to have a similar core mathematical foundation to it

I'd agree with finance and business being pointless at undergrad level

>>992625
finace is incredibly competitive. If your not good at/don't enjoy doing maths then I wouldn't even bother. Have a look at the open MIT courses.

>>993207
wolf of wall street.....why would you want to work in finance after watching that. They were just a bunch of coked up conmen, had literally nothing to do with trading. Margin Call was good though.

>>993709
FUCK NO FINANCE IS NOT COMPETETIVE

why doesn't OP google this information? More reliable and straight to the point.

>>993709

Here's an innovative solution for you:

Don't be a conman.

>>994156
Source?

>>992665
Not necessarily

CS + Business + extreme number of extracurriculars. Business because it's easy enough to allow you to do the extracurriculars.

Easy way into an internship doing tech in a bank/consultancy as long as you can structure a cover letter/cv and interview well enough.

Not the crazy money of the front office of an IBD, but you can easily go into a $70000/£45000 grad job. Not the crazy hours, either.

>>994998
what if I want to do IBD.

>>995004
Remove CS, do maths, remove business, do economics. Network.

>>995005
why not CS + biz to get into IBD or extreme banking?

How hard is it to double major? I'm considering doing CS and Japanese dual-major.

>>992692
>There is no such thing as pure stats
I'd disagree. The Gauss–Markov theorem is stats, pure math, and has application in other fields of pure math.

>>993189
Stat majors are IRL shit posters.
>BECOME A QUANT ~ The sexyiest job of 200x
>BECOME A DATA SCIENTIST ~ The sexyiest job of 201x

>>992674
>history
>too hard
Kek
People might say you should find a job that you love, but it isn't necessarily true. Work is work, and nobody actually wants to do it, so you might as well make money while you're doing it. Engineering is pretty nice.

>>993077
We running fucking mafia here...

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http://www.nature.com/news/biologists-lose-out-in-post-phd-earnings-analysis-1.19009

>>995197
Finance phd

>>995209
Look at engineer Phd. They make 75k. That means 4chan "engineers" are lying.

I was a RN in Canada for a few years making about 32$/hr after graduating could've made 37 in a five years but I went to America and became a CRNA which is making me about 150k a year in less time than a dentist which usually make 160k which is riskier if your don't get into a dental school. But to become rich you can't let your money sit around. Make a business on the side and do that. Being your own boss is a really good feeling.

>>992625
Depends on where you live

In Canada literally only Petroleum engineers, Lawyers, and Doctors can get easy 6-figure salaries

>>995197
Is robotics considered engineering /biz/? I really want to build robots but I don't want to be poor

>>992625
OP study anesthesiology, it's in extreme demand, barely anyone studies it so there's hardly any anesthesiologists, and ballpark 350,000/yr for poking people with needles + easy access to morphine and codeine if you like getting high/want to make even more money on the side

>>995197
The scale is a little skewed

The social sciences are really only high because of Law and Economics, most social sciences jobs pay shit

Most engineering jobs pay pretty shit too, it's just those autists who are stupidly good at it and don't mind working 95 hours a week who are skewing the scale

>>995223
Yes. Engineering. Unless you're designing the science then its material science. Which is Physics/Chem.

>>995230
>it's just those autists who are stupidly good at it and don't mind working 95 hours a week who are skewing the scale
That's in any field. We can them workaholics. Engineering pays around the same wages as Nursing. Which is 65k.

>>995251
My field is supposed to be one of the most workaholic ones around, but I have never met anyone who works more than 75 hours a week on averaeg

>>995306
75 hours is workaholic. Which field?

>>995310
Law

>>995312
Law is 75 hours? I swore it was at least 85. Those 12 hours workdays still is brutal.

>>995313
I'm in Canada, here we are probably going to have a shortage of lawyers in the future due to mass retirement and not very many law graduates being pumped out. Which means lawyers can be a bit more demanding when finding a job

whereas the USA has some serious legal saturation problems

>>995321
That's why. Canada legal market is not saturated. The US has like 400k lawyers I believe. THAT A LOT.

>>995322
The USA has 250K lawyers but 400K graduates if I remember correctly

In Canada something like 90% of graduates get a job out of law school, and smaller communities are already largely lacking in Lawyers here

>>995327
I should move to Canada. You guys recently passed the US as the richest middle class in the world.

>>995369
>implying that upper middle class is desirable

don't plan for failure anon, shoot for the moon, we all know we hate the 1% because we want to be them

Be careful my friend. I asked that question 5 years ago and now I'm an unemployed petroleum engineer.

>>995378
I don't hate the 1%, I hate the 0.01%. They are taking advantage of the tax system. Which is a huge problem.

>>995380
>studying anything specific to a non-renewable resource

>>992925
Gotta say this cracked me up. Thanks

>>992692
What is accounting?

>>992625
Electric engineering. So many benefits, good salary, retired at 50. Sometimes its all about quality of life.

>>996851
>implying electrical engineers make 200k a year

>>992665
Not if you want the money as much as the degree you wanted