Alright guys, which programming language do I need to learn that

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Haskell

>>3477497

Succ cocks

Java

Idk seems all a luck of the draw. I was making 70k flying around and driving the country "programming" occupancy sensors for lights lol. Basically plug my laptop in and press 5 minutes or 15. Stupid shit exists.

Solidity to work with ethereum

You must master the Blockchain

>>3477497

it's more of a regional thing if anything

look at what the market is like for programmers in your area. learn that. generally from what ive seen Java and C#/.NET are always in high demand

Python. It's easy as fuck to learn and you can get a million test automation jobs with it.

>>3477497
pyhton
js
>scripting

>>3477497
Man where have you been ? It's all about hype now, nothing has value, everything is digital. Do 2 or 3 blog posts about a new innovative way to train a neural network, show yourself in a few conferences, make an aura around you as a data scientist/ai/blockchain guru and scrape investors money. Then with this money sustain yourself and work for yourself by doing something actually useful for the world. godspeed anon

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>>3477497
react native

Kotlin

node.js isn't going anywhere. and it shits on python in pretty much every way.

What are your guys' thoughts on Ruby on Rails, or learning solidity?

>>3477600

rails is good for learning general web application flow but i dont see any shops actually using it. seems to be a bloated framework that isnt really gonna get you jobs

learn javascript/node instead if you wanna make web apps

>>3477592
>node.js isn't going anywhere. and it shits on python in pretty much every way.
It's harder to read. Also doesn't have as good standard libraries. ALSO, I wouldn't want to run test automation scripts with a bunch of callbacks and promises everywhere. py.test shits on node for test automation

>>3477507
kek. Had to make due with Haskell some time ago in a cs101 class. Whats new? I thought it wasnt actually used ever.

rails is good, but if you have to learn just one language, make it js. for comparison, there are about 475k packages on npm, and only about 8.7k ruby gems.

>learning a "programming language"
Learn how to program instead.

>>3477670
>Learn how to program instead.

Repeating this fucking meme again

> harder to read
matter of opinion, i suppose. depends on the author too. i find js to be more concise, and therefore easier to read. callbacks can get out of hand, but proper use of promises makes it better. as for testing, just because it's js doesn't mean everything you're going to be testing is async. but if it is, i would rather have that async code in js with its callbacks and promises than pretty much any other language, especially python.

>>3477681
That's not a meme, retard. If you know how to program the language is largely arbitrary.

Are bootcamps worth it?

ITT people recommend the language they know best

it's always the same

Depends on your mission. If you learn FORTRAN you can go work for any US bank have guaranteed job security with a 200k salary, but your life will suck.

If you don't want to beat youself up too much you can try C and C++. There are thousands of legacy business applications running older version of C++ (think C98) that will basically be around forever because no one can afford a rewrite. Also, every embedded device is running C (like everything - your TV, microwave, car, home stereo) if it has buttons and an LCD it's probably running on C.

Now maybe you want to actually enjoy your job instead of managing memory buffers and tracking down segfaults from dev/null. In that case you can't go wrong with Java, and to a lesser extent C#. These two languages run most of the enterprise web applications, or are at least involved somehow.

If you want to work with a bunch of plaid shirt wearing art school majors you can learn Javascript and the associated backend and frontend frameworks. The caliber of person you work with will be much lower, but that might be a net positive overall socially.

The only real answer to your question is to master SQL. It is basically the only language agnostic thing you can master that definitely isn't going anywhere any time soon. Become a SQL guru and you will basically have say over how the rest of the application is developed.

>anything but python

Java, C#, C++

If you know any of this and are half-competent it should be easy to land a job. These languages have been used for many years and will stay in demand for the foreseeable future.

If you like web development, learn PHP and Wordpress. It powers 25% of the web and it's rather easy to find work online.

Lately also Python because for some reason it's currently THE language for machine learning.

I've been a professional software developer for the last 4 years and have used all the above mentioned languages but working with C# is so much comfier than anything else. Don't freak out that it was made by Microsoft. They may make a crap OS but their developer tools are top notch.

>>3477670
This. If you understand "programming", learning languages becomes a piece of cake. It's literally all the same shit.

>>3477720
bootcamps are bullshit, you can easily learn to program on your own.

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>>3477497
Lisp, prolog, Python.
Java is obvious.

>>3477720
never tried one, but i doubt it. learn by doing and googling over and over. if you want to program something, start by seeing if it's already been done by a successful project and learn how they did it. many, many things in programming have already been solved and a lot of coding is finding the right library that does what you want (unless you think you can do it better) as for this:
>>3477716
>retard
and how exactly should one learn to program "instead", if not using some language? it's true that after two or three different languages, most of the rest look pretty much the same, and you will get better at reading code and picking up on syntax in general, but you have to start somewhere.

>>3477497
JVM based languages like Java, Kotlin, Scala and so on.

>>3477497
Saw a lot of fintech jobs asking for Java, C# and Python

>>3477497
BASIC and LOGO

Python or JS, or any other scripting language, because they're extremely general.

>>3477720
Just find a course on Udemy or Udacity. Much cheaper than bootcamps and you can learn at your own pace and still bug the author with your questions.

Just learn to trade shitcoins and when you've accumulated enough wealth, retire. Fuck working brother

>>3477818
You will not make it.

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>>3477497
but the main question is do you even like to code? most people dont. lucky ones like to.

vast majority of higher level professional did it for hobby before a career. if you aim just to get a profession and dont enjoy it, there is no fucking way you are going to put hours required to learn and then maintain skills, the languages develop constantly too. at least you are not going to be very good at it, top 5% which makes the big buck

>>3477497
also, your choice of language largely depends on what you want to be working on. I recommend javascript because you can build pretty much anything with it, there's a huge community, and i've spent the last 4 years working with it xD

>>3477767
It demands a superhhuman discipline.

>>3477738
>code monkey
> enjoy your job

>>3477867
LOL care to elaborate?

>>3477913
The questions you ask show that you're completely out of your depth.

>>3477913
>>3477930
fuck bros, why don't we help each other out instead of putting each other down.
>inb4 that's what college is for

OP don't be another one of those faggots who randomly decide one day "I'm going to be a computer programmer". The people who are computer programmers, at least the good ones are the people who have been learning for fun and tinkering with shit since they were young they aren't the idiots that all the sudden decide one day that's what they want to do.

>>3477524
wish I could tip you with $4CHN

Guys, is there any good resoruce to learn blockchain programming?

Definitely like the idea of memeing myself as a blockchain/AI guru into reality. where can i learn this shit? I'm currently a web dev working with java and react

>>3477975
not true, my uncle took a cs class in college knowing jack shit about it. he now has a degree in computer science and works with backend web development, but then again we have superior chinese iq

>>3477969
nice elaboration

anyway, back to the point OP. +1 for online courses for building a good CS knowledge base. here's some free ones. https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/

^ wrong reply

COQ! LEARN COQ

>>3478058

I would say you just learn any framework, Lisk is running in Java and you could try learning solidity.

>>3477670
>>3477716
>>3477867
I feel like this poster is a first year CS student who likes to tell everyone he's a CS student. He's demonstrated no industry knowledge while speaking obtuse generalities

>>3478130
Your feelings aren't gonna teach op how to program, so bite me.

Wrong spot my man gotta goto /g
>C+++, python and JAVA goodluck

>>3478130
there's some truth in what he's saying but equally the guy he's criticising has a valid viewpoint too, or at least hasn't said enough to warrant him being attacked

>>3477625
You use promises for asynchronous code (or callbacks if you're a fag). Handling asynchronous code in Python makes it so fucking ugly that I don't understand how you can ever say that's an upside for Python. JS(maybe TypeScript) is by far the best language for anything unless you need to optimize for speed. And even then most people don't realize how fucking fast it is now. Also React is sexy.

>>3478137
Neither are yours kiddo

>>3477507
I've been placing my bet on Haskell and Purescript/Elm for the last two years. Taken time from work to study and pursue this.

I don't think they will be very much in demand soon as OP has asked, but I think they will continue to grow in popularity.

The learning curve is a bit steep, but the user experience of the type system and compiler is quite nice IMO.

>being a code monkey

lol just be good at sql shell scripting and learn some java and be a database admin

C++(with Qt quick) and Go(for web)
Only languages worth learning.
>Cross platform
>faster than anything else

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>>3477497
COBOL. Laugh now, but this shit is bigger than most normies as well as faggots on this site know of, they all fall for the "learn the most popular language" meme.

t. mainframe programmer irl

https://learn-anything.xyz/machine-learning

here's a nice list of free learning resources:
https://github.com/fffaraz/awesome-learning
more generally, these awesome lists can be pretty useful: https://github.com/sindresorhus/awesome

here's one for crypto: https://github.com/cmahon/awesome-cryptocurrency

>>3477507
>>3477641
In case you don't know Haskell is a meme.
https://youtu.be/RqFgtYrw4J8?t=11m49s

>>3478366
From what I have seen of Haskell, it looks very exciting to learn/code in. Will learn it soon, I hope I will be able to use it to contact the gods

>>3478442
Terry Davis already wrote TempleOS which is the only approved way of communicating with god. God provided input for the creation of the OS, which is how you know it's legit.

>>3478442
>exciting to learn
>haskell
>shilling this hard

>>3478270
and theres so many old RPG and COBOL devs who are retiring/dying

>>3478456
can confirm.
> 640x480 is a covenant, like circumcision

>>3478366
Go to 11:49 for Haskell.

>>3477818
what about looking for a job? Do I just build a portfolio? I am a mech engineer and dont want to design hvac ducts the rest of my life. I am about to drop 17k for a bootcamp.

>>3477497
Just so you know Python will replace Java and Scala will start replacing Python

Ocaml will always be the goat language

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>its a biz tries to be g episode

Don't do it man. Seriously , I "turned my life around" a few years ago by learning programming and went from being unemployable to having a high paying job in a large software company. Trust me, it is a sad existence. You will be surrounded by desperate, unfulfilled people. Some of them will pretend they like the so. Most won't The small number of peoe who genuinely do enjoy it are so autistic that they can barely talk.

>>3478701
so, disclaimer, i've never done a bootcamp. i got a cs degree and finding a job was easy. that said, i think 17k is way too much for something that honestly isn't going to do that much for your resume. if you want to take classes, there are many free or cheap ones online from reputable sources which i've linked above. some offer certificates for completion, which might help your resume. but check this out. ga tech offers an online masters degree in cs, for like 6k. you might be able to get in since you have an engineering degree, and it would look pretty great on a resume. apart from that, contributing to open source is a good way to build your resume. try finding a project you're interested in, stay up to date with the issues and bugs. read the code, and try to understand it. (by the way, learning to use git and the command line is essential for pretty much any job in software)

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>>3478906
>went from being unemployable to having a high paying job in a large software company.
>whines about it

>>3478701
If you're talking about Fullstack Academy then it's worth it. I have a friend who paid 17k for that and he said he learned way more in the 3 months or whatever than in a few years of self teaching.

>>3478906
it's not for everyone, and becoming a good software developer takes time. when i code though, once i get going, i get very focused and i don't notice the hours going by. i get frustrated sometimes, but never bored. just gotta remember to get up and stretch every hour or so or your body will hate you.

>>3477507
Idris is better. Also Agda if you want to succ pussies.

>>3478203
Haskell will never be used for real because its typing is too rigid. Also how the fuck do monads work

>>3478906
So what language was it?

>>3477497
Java you stupid fucking idiot

>>3479213
Yeah, java c# or c++

better yet all 3

>>3479193
Java initially.

You should also consider learning some meme JavaScript framework like angular. Also you should probably ignore my cynicism, I'd most likely be a miserable fuck in any job.

>>3477738
Java is too stupidly verbose to enjoy. Everything is a class? Fuck you. No operator overloading makes algebra tedious as fuck.

>>3479139
Yeah, I am interested to see where Idris goes though I haven't used it, might be the haskell type language that gains traction.

>>3479157
Yeah I agree with this. After you get through some of the learning curve, the rigid type system becomes one of the biggest assets.

The haskell community does have the problem of being too much into category theory (the mathematics behind monad, functor, etc.). Supposedly getting deep into it has profound insights, but when the people who understand it like to use it all the time, you end up with code that no beginner (or intermediate) can even touch.

>>3479330
so.... swift then?

>>3477507
AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

In all seriousness though, learn React if you want to make 6 figures easy in the next couple years.

>>3478236
> go

>>3477716
Except learning how to program will take most people 4+ years of dedication. 2 years if you're extremely high IQ.

As opposed to just learning an upcoming language in demand which will net you guaranteed high pay in a couple years.

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>>3477497
I program only in abap sap development.

I get paid 80k a year.

I love my job

>>3477908
>enjoy
>job

I think I've found your problem anon.

Javascript.

Source: Am a web dev.

>>3477497
Java or Swift, normies will always use phones.

>>3478968
Thanks desu. I will weigh my options. I am really interested in AI and robots so maybe python is my best bet. Most boot camps focus on JS stacks and ruby

How intelligent a do you have to be to Lear these programs? I'm black and girl by the way.

Learn a legacy language. COBOL or Fortran.

>>3479488
not intelligent at all.

just able to follow directions and read. Also you will become disheartened when you run into people that are actually smart. fucking kills me

>>3479488
>I'm black and girl by the way.
Prove it or GTFO.

>>3479460
glad i could help. best of luck.
for ai, i would recommend also checking out a functional language like lisp or prolog. i remember taking a class where we had to make a sudoku solver in 5 different languages, and those two had by far the shortest and most elegant solutions. not as many jobs for those, but a fun learning experience.

>>3479562
>become disheartened when you run into people that are actually smart. fucking kills me

This. I'm a web developer and I have some fluency in a bunch of scripting languages and libraries. I've worked my butt off to get to this point and it absolutely burns me whenever we get a new guy, who has never developed or programmed anything in his life, who just blows me out of the water from starting gate.

I know jealousy is bad, but when the genius new guy routinely one-ups me with stuff he just learned, it's hard to feel anything but jealousy.

>>3479773
Know the feel dude, I just started and I'm surrounded by geniuses. It's okay. I dress nice smile, do good work, get payed. they won't be able to let me go, the company I with is literally about to take off in their market. Competitors won't be able to keep up. I'm excited I got in on the ground floor.

>>3479773
You know tha the people you call geniuses don't have anything special, they just think with their own mind and try to have fun and don't care about petty shit like jealousy. So yeah you just want to be better than the next guy, you don't really care about doing the absolute best. That makes you kind of an asshole IMO. The irony of that is that your attitude is even counterproductive to your performance.

>>3479854
>your attitude is even counterproductive to your performance
This. Use that little bit of brainpower to better yourself instead of worrying about how much smarter they are than you. No matter what you do, there is always going to be someone smarter than you are. Being jealous is just a waste of time. Focus on yourself and how you can improve.

>>3479854
>>3479879

Eh you misunderstand. I'm not>>3479773

I'm >>3479803
I work hard care about what I do. But running into these people, I'm not jealous because I like who I am...but god damn, maybe all it takes is hard work and experience I believe that because thats what im doing....but some of these people you run into in this field are literally geniuses that just can code circles around you...

takes hard work and time, thats what I keep telling myself, already sold my soul to comp sci, and im not turning back. I love it btw.

>>3477497
Vba
master everything in Excel and learn to sell

>>3479704
I have an acquaintance that teaches CS at a uni, and all my conversations with him always end up with him raving about functional programming. He mentioned Ocamel. I think he mentioned about how in the future with multi threads it will be necessary to shift to such languages.

>>3479854
You've made quite a few assumptions about me. But that's more reflective of your character, not mine.

>>3480770
you're a dumb piece of shit. that's an assumption I know to be true.

>>3480860
Woah dude, who shit in your cereal this morning?

>>3480873
IT WAS ME!!!!!!!

Why would you try to learn anything but Excel?

>>3480952
im aving a giggle m8

>>3477738

SQL is on its way out, its all about noSQL now you moron. Also dataware houses. nobody cares about redundancy and diskspace no more

>>3478366
he looks like a white kanye west

>>3481179
>SQL is on its way out, its all about noSQL now you moron

lol is this a troll? They both have different use cases.

>>3478058
read the satoshi bible a.k.a blockchain spec paper

>>3481179
> no one cares about redundancy

No

>>3477497
>Scheme
>0 results
stay poor

kek no really, Java or C++

>>3479157
Monad is just a pattern for unwrapping a value from a type so you can 'change' it before wrapping it back up. You use the bind >>= function or the "do" syntax which is just sugar for bind to do this unwrapping, function applying, rewrapping business for you. bind's type info is m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b so for instance if you have an IO Char and you have a function that takes a Char, then you need to use bind to take Char out of the IO type so that you can use it in that function. In this case IO is a monad, it follows the monad laws I wont go into but basically you can just think of a Monad as a group of types that expect to be used as wrappers to carry values around.