My name is Matt, and I hate every single one of you. All of you

>>2919127
internet marketing is for pajeets

>>2919127
>not Fiverr just shilled me, shit was so cash
FUCKING DROPPED

>>2919367
Sadly this

This thread is so 2011

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Mentor me pls.

[email protected]

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>all this coin fags think it won't work

>>2919127
Fuck you. we both know to make any money outside of crypto you need to be a canadian plumber.

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stay salty coincucks
(jk i'm in crypto too)

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>>2919127
>And I was making 6000 a day
You had me going until then
t. a real internet marketer

>>2920521
how

>>2921097
how much do you make? we're anon here, just share it senpai

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>>2921291
Stepped out for a bit. Usually pull in between 25 and 50k a month. We had a good thread about it back in March. Tried to get a general going but it kind of fizzled out.

>>2921435

Well done

>>2921435
Fucking hell, nice. I've never done any myself but after looking into it for an hour or two, it seems like IM has a pretty simple formula in a general sense—please tell me if I've got this right:

>ad networks take you on and you basically sling their ads at a predetermined commission
>you pay for your own advertising, either flat rate or impression-based (?)
>split-test some kind of sales pitch or landing page to tweak ROI
>rinse/repeat
Am I on the right track?

Also, do you have your own sites dedicated to your own pursuits that you happen to use for IM, or do you use purpose-built sites just for IM? What I'm wondering is, do you find offers and build around them, or do you find offers based on some niche you're already interested or operating within?

>>2921435
>>2921461
Oh, also, I see in the pic that you've got 'eBay revenue', what exactly are you doing with eBay? Advertising eBay items on one of your sites or something?

>>2920521
How does all that shit works ? You just setup a website for exemple a website for bodybuilding and you post amazon affiliated link for something like protein and all that shit ?

>>2921469
>>2921477
>ad networks take you on and you basically sling their ads at a predetermined commission
Yep
>you pay for your own advertising, either flat rate or impression-based (?)
In my case, I have a shit load of sites covering as many profitable niches as I can find and do what it takes to get them up in the organic rankings on the relevant search engines. Each site individually doesn't get a ton of traffic but altogether, they do. I deal in volume.
>split-test some kind of sales pitch or landing page to tweak ROI
I do a lot of this. Basically I get a site ranked pretty well, then I try different formulas for landing pages, themes, little tweaks here and there.
>rinse/repeat
Find a formula that doesn't require an immense input of time, that actually works, and costs less than it makes and then beat it like it stole something. That's what works for me.
>Do you have your own sites dedicated to your own pursuits that you happen to use for IM, or do you use purpose-built sites just for IM?
My perspective on this and you can imagine it being so as I'm on 4chan is that my interests don't really appeal broadly. I build sites around the most normie shit you can imagine. Auto parts, business supplies, household goods, etc. And I don't do trendy stuff like fidget spinners as that takes more time than my business model really permits. My sites center around stuff that appeals perennially.
>I see in the pic that you've got 'eBay revenue', what exactly are you doing with eBay?
One of the affiliate networks I work with is the ebay partner network. I do others but can't divulge all the tricks. EPN is decent but one of the lesser earners for me. The pic was of a really good month.

>>2921538
Thanks bro, you're using wordpress for the websites ?

And what do you do on those websites ? Reviews ? This what I don't understand. You just put some eBay articles and people are buying it ? But why would they buy without a review or something like that ?

>>2921538
Thanks for the info. Is there any info or tips you can give someone just starting out? I'm not sure if I'll pursue this, but if I can turn it into something that beats any crappy office job I may have to take between graduating and getting a big boy job, I'll definitely give it a go.

I'm fairly computer savvy and I've spent plenty of time administering Linux servers, setting up basic websites, LAMP stack, etc., so I assume I have most of the technical skill requirements down already... I just know nothing about the actual
marketing aspect of things. I understand what you're saying in a very general sense, but I can't even begin to imagine what your actual websites look like. I mean, auto parts—what kind of site could you possibly monetize related to auto parts that isn't already done to death by some massive competitor?

>>2921573
>wordpress for the websites?
I used to do everything with wp but I like variety so I also use Django and a mini framework I whipped up myself in PHP. WP is great for starting out. Good plugins for SEO.
>And what do you do on those websites?
Here's the thing, I don't optimize my sites for the user. I optimize for the search engines. Put content on your sites so Google will know what kind of visitor to send. If you have ads for dishwashers then you need copy that Google reads and thinks to itself when somebody is searching for dishwashers, this is the place. The algorithm doesn't know whether it's a review or a random stream of consciousness and it doesn't matter. Only that is coherent and about dishwashers with some "buy" keywords. For every 10 people that show, one will click an ad. That's the math. Doesn't matter what the page says as long as the ads are there.
>Why would they buy without a review?
That's just how some people work. Maybe they're lazy and don't like to read. Maybe they're just looking for the first picture of $ITEM to click on. Thing is, you just need to get them to whoever's site you are an affiliate for. It's their job to convert and places like eBay and Amazon are very skilled at that. Let them handle it.
>>2921573
>Is there any info or tips you can give someone just starting out?
Remember that this, unlike stock or cryptocoin trading isn't instant gratification. Anything you do will take at least a month to see it begin to work out. With this in mind, learn everything you can about SEO. You number one job is get up in the search engine rankings. You get the traffic, you'll figure out what to do with it.
>I can't even begin to imagine what your actual websites look like.
>what kind of site could you possibly monetize related to auto parts that isn't already done to death by some massive competitor?
You want to know what's been done to death? Weight loss. Yet this affiliate site makes money..
http://www.bestweightlossprograms.co/

>>2921781
You do everything using search engine results and not paid advertising?

>>2921850
>You do everything using search engine results and not paid advertising?
Absolutely. I dabble in different paid schemes like adwords and stuff occasionally but it has yet to ever work out. You really need a strong SEO game for this. I'd say it is bar none the crucial thing.

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>>2919127
You're only a real g if you remember youtube networks. Shit was absolute cash; paid for my last three years of private high school.

Now I'm making Wordpress websites for local businesses by undercutting """professionals""" since I'm just an 18 year old NEET waiting for college next month.

You can charge some idiot $100 to INSTALL wordpress on their domain. Literally the easiest money I've ever made, second only to the aforementioned scam.

We're gonna make it bro. You're doing a lot better than me right now based on that screenshot, but regardless we're gonna fucking make it.

>>2921882
also if you ever have pointers I'm open to listen.

[email protected]

>>2921861
How long have you been doing this, btw?

SEO isnt the only way.. i make over 30K a month email marketing.. not spamming minding but legit double opt ins

>>2921906
Do you advertise for your leads? Adwords, etc.

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>>2921906
Here's proof btw... this is my main network's earnings for last month (July 2017)... no altered screen shots.... i have other networks too but this is where about 60% of my earnings come from

>>2921901
>How long have you been doing this, btw?
A little over 2 years. Prior to that I was hard into ecommerce. That made good money and was definitely more straightforward but I got over the whole kissing customers' asses thing. Now I'm just the middle man and would never go back.
>>2921906
I'd probably try that if I had a good email list. Maybe I'll a/b some interstitials and try to build something up. Is that how you get yours?
>>2921882
>You can charge some idiot $100 to INSTALL wordpress on their domain.
Yeah man, back around 2010 I wrote little crap Android apps and did some site building for local businesses. Easy money if you know your way around web hosting and Eclipse (Android dev having since moved to Android Studio).
>>2921939
That's beautiful. Congrats. Any tips you'd like to share?

>>2921932
nope. Mostly social media. IMO SEO is 100X harder than it was 5+ years ago.. i would be amazed if PBNs and the like still worked... just do a search.. how many spammy little sites do you see.. its all big sites and amazon

>>2921948
I was under the same impression, although the other guy ITT seems to suggest the opposite

>>2921952
right, and im not doubting it.. just saying its way harder than it was.. got my start in SEO and got raped by google 2 times before i moved on

>>2921435
>>
Comfy earnings there.

I was big into affiliate marketing back in my high school and college days (doing "bum marketing" - article directories + Clickbank products), Made enough cash to pay all college fees, go on loads of holidays, buy nice cars etc.

Unfortunately fell out of step over a number of years and struggling to get back in. Getting a good wage as a digital marketing manager for a company (and doing a nice side hustle for clients) but want to get right back into affiliate marketing.

What methods are working well these days?

>>2921946
>I'd probably try that if I had a good email list. Maybe I'll a/b some interstitials and try to build something up. Is that how you get yours?
nope, i mostly give away free stuff for opt ins.

>That's beautiful. Congrats. Any tips you'd like to share?

You are making much more than I am... I don;t think there is much I can tell you

>>2921956
I think social media would be my avenue, too—I've already got a bit of experience botting Twitter and such, so I assume I can leverage that pretty easily, at least as a foundation for organic growth. I don't know. Looking into it, this is all so open-ended. It sounds like getting signed up with ad networks before I have an actual product (website) is tough—is that true? Any tips?

Thanks, btw, both of you

>>2921975
As long as you have something to show them (a finished site) you can pretty much easily get into most affiliate networks... As for the social platform.. Twitter is good for celebs, money and porn... other niches will work better on other mediums like FB and IG and the like.. once you get a following/email list or some other way of communicating with your followers, you can have them spread the word for you.

There is one thing OP brought up that I highly agree with and that is that paying for leads does not work out well for IMers.. maybe for actual businesses, but in my experience it never works.

>>2919127

White Hat SEO expert reporting in. GTFO with your temporary scams and lrn 2 real SEO.

>>2921948
>>2921952
>IMO SEO is 100X harder than it was 5+ years ago.
Yes it is. My approach is to learn everything I possibly can and throw everything I have into ranking my sites. That sounds vague but it's the truth. My strategy lives and dies by SEO so I take it very seriously. The thing is, it's like running away from bears. I don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than "you". I have a couple of good tools too but don't want to seem like a shill.
>>2921957
>What methods are working well these days?
Right now I'd suggest mobile content/ applications installs. I don't do it myself but I know it's hot.
>It sounds like getting signed up with ad networks before I have an actual product (website) is tough—is that true?
In my experience, you will always need at least a website of some kind before you apply. Not a big deal though. Just make some normie blog with grammatically correct and remotely interesting content. Don't backdate anything too far as it looks suspicious. It just needs to be up for a week or so with 2 or 3 posts. Talk about sports or something.
>>2921997
>White Hat SEO
No such thing. SEO by definition is an attempt to manipulate the search rankings.

>>2922049
>Yes it is. My approach is to learn everything I possibly can and throw everything I have into ranking my sites. That sounds vague but it's the truth. My strategy lives and dies by SEO so I take it very seriously. The thing is, it's like running away from bears. I don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than "you". I have a couple of good tools too but don't want to seem like a shill.

I have two problems with SEO personally.

1. Your income is 100% in Google's hands and they can change things drastically over night.

2. negative SEO for lack of a better term. If you promote sites in a way that they deem wrong.. you will be penalized.

Glad it's working for you but i will never touch it again.. I have a decent amount of natural traffic from SE's (mostly google) but i will never rely on them or work to gain more ever again.

>>2922073
How much time would you say you dedicate your business? What does a typical work day look like, exactly? What do you do on a day-to-day basis?

>>2922146
To build it took a lot of work.. but now.. some days I work 5-6 hours.. others 2-3.. but i almost always work 7 days a week

>>2922161
What would a typical day consist of, if you don't mind sharing? What are your tasks hour by hour? Writing copy, managing a campaign somehow, ...?

>>2922191
I don't really write copy.. Without giving away too much about my niche.. it is similar to a news site where there are daily updates... so I update my site.. answer emails... reply to messages on social accounts... look for new affiliate offers.. work on ideas for making more money either by improving my sites/method, coming up with a new method or creating some sort of spin off to make money off my current lists/followers in a new way and building my lists

>>2922206
I see, thanks. What do you tell people when they ask what you do for a living? And what are your plans for the future? Did you transition from a normal wagecuck job into it, or something else?

>>2922221
>What do you tell people when they ask what you do for a living?

I tell people i run websites... most people dont bother going further as they have no idea wtf any of it means.

>And what are your plans for the future?

IM is extremely unstable. So, my goal is to make as much money as I can so that I don't need to worry about living.

>Did you transition from a normal wagecuck job into it, or something else?

I was a knitting machine programmer and when that went south because of NAFTA about 15 years ago, I worked at a supermarket as a department manager. Though I have worked from home and for myself since 2007-2008 and done it full time since 2012

>>2922243
glad this thread is active, what exactly are you doing and on what platform ?

cpa/ pps / ppi / direct sales ?

>>2922243
Thanks for answering me, I appreciate it

>>2922250
CPA and CPC

I don't market directly. They come to my site for my content and there are ads around that content.

Indie game developer here. Once this game is finished I'm going to start experimenting with SEO. I've done too much research in the past and have a couple solid ideas I want to try out that I know haven't been done before.

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>2017
>still doing affiliate marketing

>>2922271
says the greeter at Walmart

>>2922271
>2017
>still doing affiliate marketing
Yeah, it's a little boring. Not a get rich quick scheme but it is a good alternative to wagecucking. Think of it as a tried and true way to work hard and get good money. Money that can be used to throw away on scam-coins and daytrading. Just remember to put a little back each month like I do.

>>2922262
ah cool, incent or non-incent ?

I've bought my first flat using the money I've earned from incent offers

I'm a complete newb to IM

My questions are, is it still worth it to get into

Where should I start and learn?

And how much initial capital do you need to start?

>>2922286
> Usually pull in between 25 and 50k a month
> Not a get rich quick scheme
Dunno where you are from but 300 to 600k a year is pretty close as far as I'm concerned :^)

>>2922290
Non

>>2922293
where do you get your traffic from ? banner ads ?
if so, what's your ROI

>>2922304
As i mentioned before, I get most of my traffic from email marketing and social sites.

I don't spend a penny aside from hosting, domain and emailing costs.

>>2922311

Could you teach me some of your methods or point me in the right direction. I'd be willing to pay for some schooling if the price is right

I'm already doing dropshipping, really want to learn IM but no idea where to start.

>>2922292
>Dunno where you are from but 300 to 600k a year is pretty close as far as I'm concerned :^)
Haha, yeah I'm in Burgerland and I can't really complain. I guess I'm just jaded by all the crypo-millionaires here on /biz/ who """bought the dip""" and woke up on the moon the next day. AM is a grind at first where you're wondering does this crap even work? Then you wake up one morning and see $1.68 you made overnight in your dashboard and you feel like the dude in The Gladiator. Then after months and months of working your ass off perfecting your formula you actually do end up with something.

>>2922317
No

>>2922311
that's great, I'm glad to see that email marketing is still working well.

what platform do you use to send those emails ? also, do you target your users straight on the offer or do you pass them through your landing pages ?

>>2922323
>Haha, yeah I'm in Burgerland and I can't really complain. I guess I'm just jaded by all the crypo-millionaires here on /biz/ who """bought the dip""" and woke up on the moon the next day
You mean like one or two guys among a sea of idiots who are losing their lunch money

And thanks for the encouragement, I love the idea, I'm just afraid of that chasm between starting out and that first $1.68. How long would you say it took you to go from zero to even min-wage-tier? That's what spooks me—it's so uncertain. I know that's true with any business, of course, but it seems to be twice as true for AM.

>>2922324
pussy

Also BH forum is a shit forum full of scamming pajeets and chinks

>>2922269

In your head, how would that actually work. What are the search strings that you are expecting to appear for (assuming that it's organic traffic you want)

>>2922342
>How long would you say it took you to go from zero to even min-wage-tier?
About 6 months but I'm a NEET shut-in who's probably somewhere on the spectrum so extreme focus isn't a problem. For some people it takes longer though I'd be very surprised if it took more than a year of dedicated work. Nice thing is you can start small with just a few sites. Say 10. All of which can be put up on a single shared host for 5 bucks a month. The sites can be low-tier TLDs like .trade and .win that doesn't really matter. And those only cost a dollar or so for the first year. Get that, come up with some niches that have broad appeal, install wordpress and let it rip. If you get some bites, you know you're on the right track. Join some affiliate networks and put your ads up. Then scale from there.

>>2922360
Not OP you faggot and BHW is shit.

>>2922369
How about porn sites or porn tubes? Isn't that guaranteed lots of traffic?

>>2922379
it does indeed seem to be full of pajeets scraping the bottom of the barrel

>>2922392
The entirety of BHW is what the lounge section of BHW looked like 3-5 years ago... all stupid questions and Indians begging for scraps, bullshit stories about things that have nothing to do with money and people starting journeys that never even come close to being profitable or ending

Truth is why would anyone share any method... it instantly gets ruined by 1000 morons that would sell their own mother for a shekel

3 years ago there was a method where you could post articles to Yahoo contributor network and get about $6-$9 per 500-1K work article... I was using archive.org to find dead sites and scrape 100s of articles that were no longer indexed.

Some asshole shared spinning articles on BHW and uploading them to the YCN.. in 2 weeks it all got shot down because 100000 indians were uploading the same fucking spun article over and over.

>>2922391
Porn sites and online casinos get tons of traffic but the competition is too fierce. And you won't be able to put ads from Amazon or eBay on there so you'll be stuck with programs that don't convert as well. Basically forget it. You have to find a niche that gets traffic but isn't completely overloaded. I mean stuff like home tooth polishing. Boring shit like that is where the money is especially for beginners. But don't run with the tooth polishing thing, that's just an example.

>>2922425
Was making over 10K a month with Twitter spamming porn and rotating various offer from Crakrevenue. Though Twitter is harder to bot now.. at least with the volume i would need to make it worth my time.

>>2922415
Kek. Yeah, fucking pajeets and chinks tend to ruin everything. They've already fucked up Amazon.

I'm not one to go around blabbing about shit if it works.

>>2922430
That's pretty impressive. I poked around with porn and gaming for a bit and couldn't make anything stick. I actually had porn sites though. A little different from what you were doing. FWIW, when I say something "doesn't work" or "does work" I'm always coming from the perspective of actually running that type of site rather than sending traffic. If that makes sense. That's just my comfort zone.

>>2922451
I get it... i didnt even have sites persay... hosted images on Imgur and just ran a script and used ifttt to post to twitter... 1000s of accounts.. the script would grab a random image and post it to the front page and ifff would post to 10 twitters using the rss. Each site had 30 sub domains doing the same thing.

The traffic would get sent to a blogger blog where I used a javascript redirect and rotator to send them to adult offers...

Also used FL to follow and unfollow...

It worked for a year.. took a month to fully setup but then it was 100$% fully auto... 10K a onth for doing 0 work.. was amazing.

To the email marketer,

Could I pay you to advertise my shopify store? I mean just send out mass emails to people with my store's link

>>2922291

>where should I start and learn

This is by far the hardest question for me, every SEO resource available seems like they're just trying to sell you their strategy or plugin.

>>2922489
Not sure what you are selling but i guarantee its the wrong niche and will not make you any money all the while pissing off my subs

Picture a store full of people looking for iphones and I try to sell them your jackets.

>>2919127
All that work, and you could have just followed the trend and killed yourself.

>>2922286

You're not wrong it seems boring as fuck.

>getting images of a boring product
>getting basic facts about boring product
>paraphrasing basic facts with some SEO terms weaved in
>chuck amazon affiliate links on keywords
>putting it on a shitty Wordpress
>hope normies click it and I get my $1.68

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thinking of doing content marketing more serious
here are my current earnings

i would like to do traffic arbitrage or buying traffic to offers.

this shit is already old , but maybe there is still money to be made


in the pic , its traffic for some sites i have

May I ask how you choose your niches? Do you just go on clickbank, choose a profitable affiliate program and build a website around it?

>>2921781
Being a Digital Marketer, I can see why the formula works and why it doesn't require that much time.
Alas, it's still something impossible for my schedule. Also, despite the mad gainz, I would hate doing this.
There has to be a better way...

>>2921957
What's your wage? What kind of experience is needed?
I'm doing DM in SEA. It's comfy, the manager is great and I can try anything I want in the field but I'm underpaid. Barely 20K/year. Planning to move to the US next year or so and according to what I saw, I could multiply the salary by 5.

My experience is very corporate. Not old-school underhanded marketing tactics. Only mainstream stuff. I'm not planning to go beyond.

I have 2 questions.

1. What are the best SEO books?

2. What's the best SEO forum to browse?

>>2921123
media buying

>>2920410
keked