Why are morally corrupt and psychopathic people always so successful

>>1798766
>Why are morally corrupt and psychopathic people always so successful in business?

Gee I fucking wonder

>>1798766
the short or the long answer?

>>1798770
No really. I want to know whether normal people really like getting fucked over in the ass by morally corrupt psychopaths? If it were up to me I would have executed a child the moment they started displaying manipulative and dishonest behavior.

>>1798781
>"I would execute a child"

And you're talking about Ethics? Lmao.

Trump isn't morally corrupt, he's just a compulsive narcissist who's talented in some ways, but thinks he's God himself and refuses to listen to people, but genuinely thinks he's doing what's best for the country.

He's incompetent, not evil.

Actually while the psychopathic tend to gravitate toward business government tends to draw in the Machiavellian, which is a separate spectrum of personality issues.

Long term most studies show that while psychopaths are good at climbing the corporate ladder they do not last very long in the upper echelons because their inability to comprehend emotion leads them to miscalculate what they can get away with.

Government is a whole other thing.

>>1799162
Trump's definitely not a psychopath. He craves attention, love, and approval, and his kids are pretty normal well-adjusted adults.

Trump has made his success as an entertainment personality more so than a businessman. He's just a narcissist with carisma who's reasonably intelligent. The fact that he was able to feel the pulse of the nation and know exactly when to run and how to pander to voters is something that takes great emotional perception.

>>1799177

As you said above, he's a narcissist. Narcissism is the third mate of the dark trinity.

Yours truly is a bit more Machiavellian, but I've got enough of the N in me to appreciate Trump's constant showmanship.

>>1799182
Trump wasn't the only guy who kind of saw this growing opportunity who run either. He just exploited a niche before anybody else could.

Mark Cuban and Kanye West, both also narcissists, both carismatic, and both smart in certain regards were also kind of posturing to run as president, but Trump just beat them to the punch. There was clearly an inefficiency in our political process that Trump just exploited before anyone else.

>>1799192

I like how Christopher Hedges called it in "Death of the Liberal Class", and how he was writing editorials saying not to discount Trump months before he won the primary.

Some people saw this coming years before it happened. Cuban and West are both young enough to be up and coming if the window stays open a few years down the road. I'd definitely be looking around for Kanye sooner than later though.

>>1799192
or maybe he was a great candidate.

>>1798766
People in business who do well are the opposite. Caring, trustworthy, friendly, loving, and often family men.

The psychopath and morally corrupt successful businessman comes from the fallacious idea of exploitation being the key to riches; rather than pareto efficiency.

>>1799204

Explain your position tovarich.

For mine? I'm a Southern Democrat who has always had fingers in... business. But while I've always had an eye toward economic factors I have rarely had to worry about them personally.

>>1799194
In retrospect it was completely obvious and inevitable.

There was clearly a growing distrust in the government who had long been controlling voters with the media, but was failing to keep the strategy viable in the age of social media. The 2012 election had voters jumping between "anti-establishment" candidates challenging Romney without caring about the candidates specific platforms and this confused the media to no end.

Then in 2016, the media thought they could just all out slam Trump with any bullshit they could think of and voters would just fall in line, but instead it just emboldened his supporters who knew they were being manipulated.

Fuck off back to pol with your butthurt anti Trump thread.

Everyone knows you made this thread just to be political, not to discuss anything.

This attitude is why we're not getting eight years of GOP

>>1799212

You check out Adam Curtis's "Hypernormailization"?

Not in the "I browse plebbit and I'm a normie context, but in the "I've seen this shit, tell me where the masses are now," context?

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>>1799214

Bitch I hate the idea of Trump, but we're discussing the wheels within wheels right now. Either catch up or don't worry about it.

>>1799177
>his kids are pretty normal well-adjusted adults


nice expert opinion. moron

>>1799216
Nah, I've finally started to just see this in my own regard. I've constantly been obsessed with watching and reading how people react to things and how I myself am viewed because I'm a bit of a narcissist myself.

I can relate to Trump to some extent.

>>1799227

Anybody can, in theory, relate to anybody. Can you weaponize it though?

>>1799227
well how the fuck can we be sure you aren't trump??? now i dont know what to believe

>>1799233
That's the goal ultimately. Talking with people and divulging knowledge that I could possibly exploit might seem stupid, but it's therapeutic for me and it comes with the territory of narcissism. You're both completely genuine and scheming at the same time.

>>1799220

You're not discussing anything

This "discussion" needs to back to plebbit where it belongs

>>1798766
Psychopathy is a very anti-social behavior and barely any leader or recognized person have that sort of disorder.

What you may mean is sociopathy, which may seem similar but is vastly different, in such way that it can be argued not a 'disorder'. Many sociopaths are extroverted people with highly manipulative personalities with common disregard or pushing aside of morals, but they know how to follow them at appropriate times. But the point is that they know how to make themselves very likeable, thus making people open up and making deals and relationships with them. Sociopaths are common sensation seekers who can enjoy relationships, but relationships can mean little to them if something they want or need gets in their way. May sound familiar if you had crap relationships, but don't take my word on it. Most sociopaths tend to be indifferent to death, suffering, and others' pain, but it doesn't mean they don't understand it; they have great emotional intelligence and may likely use others' emotions to their advantage.

A good icon for sociopathy are vampires. Vampire stories for centuries all have a seduction story in them. The vampire is charismatic, has a immoral side, and very seductive but in the end he has one thing in mind: succing blood, which happens.

In the world of top business, sociopaths are naturals in the deals they find themselves in, the high numbers they use everyday, and the low pressure felt at high stakes. Don't go labeling Trump and all the other business professionals sociopaths, though. The behavior of sociopathy is more common than people like to think but that doesn't mean one is a sociopath. A sociopath shares these traits most likely for life, even after repeated failures. Not to get off topic, but same goes for autism. Being autistic originally was a disorder that was meant you had and will have the difficulties from childhood to death. Today it's an overused diagnosis that annoys many psycho-professionals.

Does this help?

>>1799277

No, sociopaths tend to live on the edge of society and aren't very charismatic. You're talking about psychopathy.

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>>1799313
Yeah, their definitions do seem to follow that. Which probably is more likely so I guess what I just said could be reversed. I used sociopathy here because of a few readings and arguments in my college like pic related and the changing perspectives. I may be wrong because these new takes of sociopathy vs. pyschopathy may have changed the definition with the arguments they present.I'd say you're right, even though it conflicts me a little. Though some authors and professors may argue. I wouldn't recommend reading pic related though, it's an overrated memoir.

>>1798766
nah they just hate people that havent sweat and worked to be where they are so they make them sound degrading, probably a power/self esteem issue.

they aren't afraid to fail

now try to picture their morality

>>1798781
Normal people lack creativity. Welcome to 4chan. We exist because normies are too stupid to assume positions of power and critical thought. Just look at what we did with the US election.

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>>1798766
So... how u figure any of this shit. The richest people i know are legit. I stidied trump for 15 years before i voted for him. Meanwhile i know 4 millionaires i wouldnt loan 5 bucks. U ever met trump. U ever follow shit besides cuck cnn... fuck off queer

>>1798781
Morrally corrupt. Starts 40 charities. Self sustained. Retard bob only cares about himself. Lives an ok life and pisses away charisma being well liked. Who is worse...

>>1799390
>Starts 40 charities.
implying charities are good and not just a shifty way to avoid taxation and covertly finance political campaigns...

>>1798766

confirmation bias as fuck

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>>1799360
Bullshit."We" didnt do shit.

>>1798766
They aren't. You're trying to come up with shit to make yourself feel better, as in "Damn, I'm too nice to get rich! If only I was an asshole..."

Businessmen need to have a reputation. That's now they get business.

>>1799593
>Implying escaping socialist scum and their and their taxes is bad
Good goy.

>>1799212
Yes mate, the government - who cannot even agree on the budget without shutting down - is secretly controlling about 8 independent multi billion dollar news sites. Somehow buildings full of reporters and multi party systems and not a single leak.

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>>1798766
>corrupt and psychopath
You've posted the wrong pic pal. Let me help you

>>1799388
This. Nice wallpaper btw.

>>1799870

No you nigger they just have key people in key places. No the entire government isn't corrupt but if you just enough people in the right places including the media and Hollywood. You can hoodwink a whole nation over time. read The Creature from Jekyll Island (or at least a good summary of it) and wake up.

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>>1798766
didn't know trump was morally corrupt or psychopathic.

you learn something new everyday

>>1799162
Long run I.e. Decades

Look at Toshiba and its executives. They have been cooking the books for years profiting immensely. So what if they get caught after 20 years? They have made enough to live remainder of their lives in luxury while thousands of others have lost entire livlihoods.

>>1799360
As you type from mom's basement writing self fanfiction about your investments and ten foot long dick.

>>1799898
>another pseudo intellectual who doesn't understand money multiplier or even take a basic finance course thinks the fed is an evil monster and we should all use gold

It is not a big secret banks can make money through loans, it's in every intro to finance textbook. No, it's not insidious. It's effectively controlled by the captial requirements on banks. Investopedia, Bernake's blog and Keynes are all good places to start if you don't want a tinfoil explanation of the fed.

Really? And who might these few key people be? Because the only people with any legislation or executive power is Congress, Senate or the president. The cabinet and agency heads changes with every president. Your mysterious corrupt person would have no federal or even state level backing.

That's ignoring the burden of proof on you to actually show the government is controlling the media.

>>1798773

Both of course

im gay

>>1799210

I like the economic factors and I'm a proponent of free trade. Trump wants to negotiate deals with equal tariffs or none, to have fair deals (Like what's happening with japan). Economically I also am a big fan of low taxes, and no regulations. Right now people in Finance are the only ones who know how to get rid of taxes (Just buy an LL in Nevis Island).

I'm also a big fan of destroying the autarky, and stopping globalization. Wars aren't profitable anymore and just kill a ton of people needlessly (a great Hillary Clinton policy).

But the main reason is something strictly philosophical about killing the Pseudo-expert. Unskilled bureaucrats have taken over politics. Even more philosophical, I think the nation has become morally bankrupt due to exuberant/ irrational progressivism, Post-God era, and loss of identity/security.

To go deeper, from a Girardism perspective, I think we're in danger of going back to a societal sacrificial order. Once that happens, progress and capitalism halts. And it is in this sense that I mean morally bankrupt. Western and Judeo-Christian culture has long provided the rectitude to prevent it. But now we're in the Post-God era. And I'm not a christian in the traditional sense, I treat "God" as ~apriori~, which I believe is the original intention.

Read The Prince by Machiavelli.

>>1801262

>Unskilled bureaucrats have taken over politics

Actually the influence of bureaucrats has been curbed since the 1980's by policies advocated by the Neo-Cons, and to disastrous results.

He's just dark triad to the core. Playboys exhibits those traits and it turns out the skills are portable.