Australians: commonwealth bank has suspended all further loans

Buy foreign assets.

>>1792964
>Maybe see a swathe of asset holders on 25 year mortgages holding the unsellable that's giving ROI of 2% without taking into account running costs.

what percentage of the market do you think that is?

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>>1792964
what did u expect from a bank with ancap logo>?

>>1792988
>when you hire private police to drown a hobo for poaching a feral ram that wandered onto your property

>>1792978
20-25% gross
Maybe 10% to 15% in total have mortgages encouraged by negative gearing

I've found 3 or so articles from BAKA, The Financial Review and news.com.au reporting on the freeze 4 days ago. If it's been out this long, I would have thought this would be bigger news.

If this has the potential to pop the bubble as OP infers, why wouldn't this be bigger news? Especially with all the talk recently regarding the housing market in Sydney, Joyce's comments making headlines last week and all. Is it because many Australian investors simply refinance with their mortgage to buy additional properties, as the new approach does not affect this aspect of investment?

>>1793083
Sorry, I was unaware of the Sydney Morning Herald acronym's similarity to that of shaking my head. Please substitute BAKA with the Sydney Morning Herald.

>>1792988
KOK

Isn't in merely because they were exceeding the regulatory lending limits?

>>1793083
If other banks follow suit it's time to worry

>>1793265
All 4 big banks exceeded that in early 2016

>>1792964
my parents have investment houses on loans and the houses have decreased in value since they bought them, are they fucked?

>>1793438
Yes.

>>1793447
what should they do?

>>1793438
Where the fuck do your parents live if their investment houses have dropped in value...?

>>1793438
>the houses have decreased in value since they bought them

Yes, they are. I mean everyone makes a decent profit out of their investment properties, how stupid your parents are?

My uncle just got a loan through CBA and bought an investment property, how fucked is he?

>>1793402
Its probably spending limit per period so each 3 months

>>1792964
How long will the big banks have to hold of from giving loans, for house prices to crash?

Also without loans form the banks, the economy will slow right down seems a bit silly to let the banks quit cold turkey on ledning

>>1793636
>Also without loans form the banks, the economy will slow right down seems a bit silly to let the banks quit cold turkey on ledning

Ding ding ding.
This is actually what the reserve bank want. Inflation is in the back of everyone's mind right now.

>>1793083
The newspapers especially rely of property advertising for income. In their own bottom line interests they can't negatively report too much on something tied to income stream they rely on.

Like another poster said if the other banks apply the same freeze there won't be any refinancing and this will have a definitive effect on the market

>tfw i'm moving back to australia in two years
holy shit i hope the housing market crashes right on time for me to buy in

>>1794243
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>>1792964
I hope this is true.

Sydney property market here i come

>>1793438
yes, but if they have income maybe not fucked
fucked if cash rate is increased

>>1792978

Bigger than you think. When all those people lost their homes in 2008/09, many of the newly empty homes we bought up super cheap and spun into the rental market. Those rentals were then bundled into new securities, similar to what caused the original crash in the first place.

>>1794526
we're talking about australia here m8

>>1792968
What and pay two to everyone dollar maybe more once Australia currency is devalued.
no thank you

>>1794619
>invest in S&P
>AUD nosedives, housing market crashes
>cash out investment for big $AUD
>purchase house
what's not to like?

BUT WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR ME
WHEN WILL PRICES DROP
HOW FAST
WHEN
HURRY UP I HATE RENTING I WANT A HOUSE
FUCKING BOOMERS

Hello all australians...

I am an amerifat who has wandered into the thread.

>>1794682
HELLO AMERICAN YOUR BUBBLE COLLAPSED DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THAT I WANT TO BUY A FUCKING HOUSE FUCK

>>1792964
I went into NAB 3 weeks ago asking if they'd refinance my house back to 80% LVR so I can buy an investment and they said no problem

>I didn't sign the paperwork though so I can't say if it would have been approved by the next level of people

>>1794686
the only bubbles I care about are in this soda I'm drinking along with my 3 sandwiches from McDonalds

>>1794701

They're called burgers, not sandwiches :-)

Sandwiches don't have grilled patties in them, that's how you can tell the difference. Eg bacon, cheese, lettuce, that's a sandwich. A dripping beef patty and other fried matter, that's a burger.

>>1794721
>he doesn't call them ground beef patty sandwiches

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>>1793501

Doesn't matter where you live if you buy at the absolute top of the market.
Here, I spent 10,000 hours in paint to illustrate where >>1793466
parents are at right now

>>1794765
This is so correct it's not funny.

This will either crash and burn like we've never seen or be the most prolonged shitty era of stagflation where you literally can't give homes away.

Keep in mind there's 23 million people in Australia and about 10,000,000 dwellings.

Investors in residential are fucked once this turns

>>1794233
Inflation is already below target and the RBA predicts inflation to rise still, although I guess there still is business investment

>>1794464
>B O O M E R T E A R S
It's going to be so good.
I'll relish lowballing them, watching them huff-and-puff about "Muh value", then either just walk away laughing because there's a better deal across the street, or accept it and watch as their dreams fall apart in front of their eyes.

Fuck'em.

>>1794765
I'm going to save that.
Cheers.

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>>1794765
ho le fuk

>tfw my parents have >1 million mortgage including the debt of their 'investment' houses

its game over

>>1792964
the bubble isn't popping

you guys are so dumb

>>1794750
>he doesn't call them steamed hams

People have been saying the housing bubble will pop for the last 10 years.

How long can a bubble exist?

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>>1795278
>>1796396
>Longest in history
>banks no longer have asset value and cash reserves to cover retail debt
>household income alone can't cover repayments

The answer to this is simply this is so precariously balanced that any major external event which impacts Australia eg trumps war with China our biggest trading partner, Australia's entire economy could flush down the toilet within 1 financial year.

The fallout could be the entire value of the mortgage some professionals predict.

https://youtu.be/czyG7UgRWTM

>>1795276
the fun starts when your parents want to sell their property at the same time everyone else, then the value plummets and they sell it for 250k whilst still owing the bank 1M

As an investment residential homes are financial suicude currently
>>1794648
This as an investment vehicle makes far more sense than
>>1796486

Mums and dads who do not understand Contract law are the only people investing in residential RE in Australia right now.
This is why CommBank has froze all further loans as the public doesn't know what's good for it

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Threads like this make me so erect

>tfw portfolio 60% overseas and 20% cash

I can confirm all major banks have collectively decided to freeze margin loans to Superannuation funds (self-managed), none of my bank contacts have said anything about all investment property loans, but this subsection of margin lending due to government pressure.

>>1796626
>Bankwest has confirmed that property investors are no longer able to include the tax benefits of negative gearing when applying for a home loan from the institution.
In an emailed statement, a Bankwest spokesman said its loan serviceability calculators were updated on Friday to remove negative gearing tax benefits, "in line with regulatory guidance".

"This change aligns Bankwest with industry best practice and guidance from regulators, specifically APG 223 within the Residential Mortgage Lending prudential practice guide," the spokesman added.

Bankwest is a bit late to the party, with the bank regulator APRA's boss, Wayne Byres, speaking disapprovingly of the practice of including negative gearing benefits in loan assessments almost two years ago, after an APRA survey showed what Mr Byres labelled "disconcerting" lending practices.

"We also came across a few instances in which ADIs [authorised deposit taking institutions] were relying on anticipated future tax benefits from negative gearing to get a borrower over the line for a mortgage," he said in the May 2015 speech.

Mortgage brokers say including the benefits of negative gearing in investor loan assessments is still a widespread practice, with Westpac having excluded it for a while last year before changing back.

So to clarify...

People would apply for $500,000 loans with a 5% deposit, pay LMI and factor in assumed 'rental income' from the property into their income used to qualify for the loan.

They would also factor in capital depreciation, negative gearing etc. in order to 'qualify' for a mortgage they can only afford if the stars align

And we're meant to panic when banks decide it doesn't actually make much sense?

Just trying to make sense of how poor the average '$5m property portfolio investor' really is

>>1796986
Sorry, gross error made in that post.

They don't actually have a 5% deposit - the 5% stems from 'equity' in another one of their bank-owner properties

>>1794765
Yeah, maybe... maybe not.

People have been saying that for years... I was going to buy 3 years ago, but decided not to, and now everything has gone up 40% where I want to buy....

We're definitely not past the peak yet. Prices increased 3% in December alone, and just as much in January.

>>1793265
This.

Demand for loans and property isnt going anywhere.

I love how I'll be renting until I'm 40.

Fuck this shit, but the rest of the world is fucked also.

I'm getting a trade.

>>1797629
not as fucked as Oz

>>1797365

>We're definitely not past the peak yet. >Prices increased 3% in December alone, and just as much in January.
The belief of boundless capital gains in this country is what is causing the problems. I'm not convinced there will be a crash because if things start looking grim rather than try to change landlords expectations and beliefs systems they'll just throw the gates open for unhindered immigration like Germany has.
Boom- instant housing shortage and prices skyrocket.
The underlying problem is wage growth hasn't matched capital growth in australia. So it's essentially a system that is working against non boomer generations of Australia.

>>1794872
It's not being too high that's the problem- it's too low

>>1798557
>So it's essentially a system that is working against non boomer generations of Australia.
And yet "Back in my day... Get a real job... Why don't you just buy more money... You don't need University, you need hard work... School of Hard Knocks..."

This seems to be happening all around the world in every major international city - the prices get too high and the goys can't afford to buy, so the property stays within the weatlhy and eventually everyone is renting, like London. Not surprising, Melboune is a great city and up there with the best.

My parents now have a property thats now worth 1.2 million, they paid $100,000 for it 20 years ago. They get offers from developers all the time who want to buy up all the land and turn it into an apartment complex.

>>1792964
household debt going up and not stopping, whilst income remains stable and cost of living goes up == less money. We have raised our deficit back to only about 10billion through harsh liberal policies but we're still fucked, you can quote me on that.

>>1799822
Bruh
I wish I was a boomer
Pay off your 30 year mortgage and sit on your property like scrooge McDuck making mad rental gains

>>1792964
>Parents just spent upwards of $50k renovating the house
>House is now worth near a million
>Tell them to sell because of the impending bubble burst
>"Hmm.. we'll hold onto it for another 10 years we think"


Haha, oh boy..

>>1795276
RIP

Although I think all of our parents are absolutely fucked here.

But our generation will have cheaper housing soooo....fuck em?

I'm a neet who is probably going to inherit a house in Sydney in the next few years (single child to old single parent)

The house is fully owned and there's a fair bit of money in the bank too

What would be the best thing to do with it?

I was thinking of renting it out and moving to Dubbo or something for ultra cheap rent, but I don't know anything about managing property. I just want to something risk-free that retains my house and will give me at least a small passive income.

And what influences council rates exactly? What's the future outlook for that?

>>1792964
They didn't do it as a reaction to the market, they did it has a reaction to incoming legal issues. Wait a week or two and you'll see.

>>1794695
Do you Oz fags actually do 25 year, 80% ltv fixed mortgages?

30 year fixed mortgages, at 4%-4.5% with 80% LTV rates seem to be the norm for some reason in America.

But I always thought we were unique for 30 year, 80-97.5 ltv fixed rates

>>1800763
Good thing about it being in Sydney is that it will retain much of its value, even if the bubble bursts due to it already being grossly overpriced, and being in such a famous and overpopulated city.
I would also recommend slight upgrades here and there.
Pay a few grand to install a swimming pool, or even building a shed etc. The cost of upgrading will be nothing compared to the value it will add to your property.

But you're in a great position anyway. I'd kill to have a house in Sydney handed to me.

>>1801373
No most mortgages here are variable not fixed.

>>1801323
Will this effect share price?

>>1799996
Agreed,
i really want to see what this is about however
>>1801323

>>1800763
If its a prime location for tourists, airbnb and be a maid.
I have friends in South Yarra in Melbourne clearing $3000 a week for a large house they own there. I've been told of figures like $5,000 a week on the Esplanade in St Kilda but I simply can't believe that.
You can even pay a cleaning company to manage the cleaning and still make good profits, if the location is right. Just make sure you can get you're $300-400 per night and you're set.
Tell work to piss off.

so how can i make money out of this

Does anyone have any information about how many major banks have confirmed their exit of the Superannuation Industry? Or have sold off all/part of their wealth management branches?

This is an important final piece of the puzzle to a Marxist conspiracy I've been researching.

>>1803806
Buy on the dip which will come from a combination now of about 4 or 5 events/factors.

>>1803826
Australian superannuation particularly industry funds are all propped up by lies.
The growth rates they quote are completely fictional

>>1795541
kek