Who here makes a living online? Not $200 a month, I'm talking

I sell cupcakes and make 10 grand a month

>>1656466

I sell cupcakes and make 10 grand a month

>>1656478
And you sell them online?

>>1656466
ITT: make me rich, plz

I sell cupcakes to the chinese

>>1656499
>$4k a month
>rich
I'm not asking for a get rick quick scheme. I just want to talk to guys who make a modest living online and get advice from them

>>1656466
I sell chinese cupcakes and make 100 grand a month.

I used to get paid to run ads for escorts, drive for them, and do taxes for them. I was a 19-20 year old accounting student and it's how I made money on the side. Requires living in a city like Dallas with a large escort industry and it's about 80% online work. I would just ask for $50 a day to basically be an assistant. I'd run ads for them, sometimes answer calls, pick them up if needed, do tax work, schedule photographers, etc. I had 5 clients at one time making $250 a day. They always paid on time. I even tried pimping some huge fat black girl. She was new to escorting so I told her I would run ads and stuff and take 50% cut. She was like 350lb fat and disgusting so the only thing I could think of was running fetish ads. She sounded nervous about it but I got her an appointment that paid $200. She gave me all the money and said she didn't want to do it again. I'm 23 now and to this day I always wonder what happened to her that made her quit.

>>1656521
>a modest living
>more than half of americans earn working a full time job
really, who wouldn't want an extra 4 grand a month?

>>1656594

lmao.

what race are you

>>1656604
>made 3500/month
why did you stop?

>>1656606
bad buisiness partnership, currently starting same project in same niche with someone i can trust. basically partner destroyed reputation of business, wont get into it to much but was unsalvagable.

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>>1656466
I sell followers and made € 14K (clean profit) last month.

Go suck some dicks you filthy amateurs.

>>1656603
Knee gah

>>1656644
Do you have a click farm?

>>1656684
Correct.

>>1656692
How does one get in touch with a click farm.

I'm an Ausfag who makes roughly 5,000 a month (some "peak" months I have made $15,000 (THIS HAPPENS VERY RARELY)

I mostly run a multi-platform sales campain focused of E-COURSES & E-BOOKS on the subject of a range of topics.

e.g

>how to run a lucrative cupcake empire using the power of social media
>how to make "unique! and fun!" iceing to use on cupcakes.
>how to write/market/run your own blog/website (mainly focused for people involved in the baked goods industry (think bread, scons or cupcakes)

If you have any questions on starting your own e-courses/e-books, Like which payment proccesers to use, good website template platforms, cupcakes, good sites to find freelancers ect. Don't hesitate to ask :) :)

>>1656695
What platform(s) do you sell on?
Kindle and Udemy?

Do you have any experiences with hiring freelance ghost writers?

>>1656594
cool story, really upheaving

>>1656694
Unless you're some kind of celeb manager you don't.

>>1656712

>What platform(s) do you sell on?

My landing page is on a site hosted by SquareSpace.

The plan was to go the UDEMY route, but keep in mind, I don't like having votings, comments and reviews on my products that I can't control. It's easier just to have some very convincing fake comments on your own site. (no stupid ones like OMG THANKS FOR THE COURSE I AM MAKING $20000000 a DAY NOW)

>Do you have any experiences with hiring freelance ghost writers.

When I was just starting out, the plan was to write most of it my self, but I am such a ADD riddled procastintor/masterbator (took me OVER a year after doing my research on how to do it to ACTUALLY START IT)

Instead of hiring a ghost writer to write a complete book (easier said then done) I actually just made a list/contents page of my book and hired indivdual freelancers for each topic/chapter.

It made it a lot easier to add some of my own material once I had over 50 pages of, to be fair, very well written material that I wouldn't of been able to write no matter how hard I tried.

P.S As hard as it may seem, don't undervalue your writers, I have no problem paying writers $80 a page if they have good portfolios of material that I want my stuff to emulate.

>>1656695
Interesting.

I have a long affiliate background, but really interested into moving into writing books (100+ pages pocket) and sell both as Kindle and Createspace printed.

Do you take your titles to regular printing as well? How big are they? Do you write them yourselves or outsource? What is the source of the traffic, social media spamming or SEO etc?

>>1656844
>>1656774

sry, saw that you already had answered a bunch of those questions.

>>1656466
if you have tits, start a twitch gaming stream with revealing outfits, and watch the money pour in

I sell cupcakes, and make small loan of 1,000,000 a month.

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>>1656466
i sell youtube/facebook/twitter/instagram followers, likes, comments, subs.


3-7k/month, it varies a lot.

>>1656474
is this bait?

>>1656774

Fellow ausfag here proud of you mah man,so lemme get this straight (dw ii have no intention of doing this at all), you write an ebook/contract freelancers to help you write an ebook and then sell the ebooks on your website? Also how do you get traffic and do you make any money not from the books e.g advertising or anything? sorry this is all fascinating to me

>>1656774
I've always wanted to do this, I'm a fast writer when I've got a topic, could smash out ebooks with relative ease.
Is there still money in this game provided you zero in on a good niche?
Where does most of your time go - running A/B tests? Making Graphics? Building Bots? etc.
Do you mind if I ask you how you get most of your traffic?

>>1657196
It would definitely work with Germany.

A fraction of the market size, but waaay less competition. Pajeets generally do not write German.

>>1656774
Bro can I do some work for you? I'm a decent writer.
I'm a poor fag, 26 and going back to my old job at subway coz I can't find work

>>1656695
Lets say I write an ebook. Once it's completed, how do I get people to find it and read it?
I've got an idea for a travelers "guidebook" focused on motorcycle trips in southeast asia. Is that too specific of a topic?

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>>1657073
How do you go about starting such a business? Where to start?

>>1656594
Haha, poor Laqueefa. Got any stories you'd care to share?

>>1657231
Rescue bump. Help me out anon

BUMPPPP

>>1656594
Same here. I cater to high end arrangements. I live in a college town that houses a big public university where I graduated 4 years ago with a CS degree. I look a lot younger than my age and in great shape so sneaking into lectures is not a problem. Before lectures begin or sometimes 10 minutes into the lecture, my partner and I would hand out flyers to college girls. Professors are wusses and rarely stop us. Statistics lectures have the highest turnover rate and landscape architecture the lowest. After getting their contact info, I attempt to draw connections with vague but sexual language along the lines of he likes to get under your skin but you will go to nice places. These sluts know exactly what they are getting into but assume psychological plausible deniability. The asking price is $10000 a month minimum and sometimes they get to travel to exotic places like Ibiza or Hong Kong depending on the sugardaddy.

>>1658741
The girls are usually 4-6. But the sugar daddies actually enjoy their company instead of just sex.

I have personally met students from Ivy Leagues doing this in Hong Kong. Contrast to what you think, sugar daddies are actually well educated too. It's like a perverted alumni network.

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>>1656466

I'm a Copywriter and making ~$4000/month.

Currently travelling in Thailand with my portable ATM (laptop) that spits out money every week.

I used to post a lot on /biz/ so if anyone want to know anything about the life/biz go ahead.

>>1658786
How many trannies did you bang last night

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>>1658793
I'm travelling with my gf so none.

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>>1658786
How do I become a copywriter that makes 4k a month? I'm literally at ropes end with my dead end Hellmart job.

Could you teach me one simple trick that will make other copywriters hate you?

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>>1658796
Well, the thing is that you won't make the 4k/month for at least a year.

There's just so much to learn both from books and from "the trenches" until you can confidently get results for clients consistently.

My advice, keep your Hellmart job and do copywriting on the side.

When you get good with Copywriting, you will have a very valuable skill that will always get you work/money.

Do the following:

1. Read/Listen to "The Millionaire Fastlane" by M. J. DeMarco. This will change your whole perspective on the work and life you're living now.

2. Join The Cult of Copy FB group. You will find all info on copywriting there. Also, you'll see what others are doing. It was 13k members last time I checked, there's also a Job Board, you'll see how much money is being offered.

The things some copywriters would hate me for revealing - don't try too much. Don't rewrite sales letters and ads by hand. Copy things other have written and improve them.

>>1658786

tldr on everything?

>how long did it took
>what did you do before / background?
>where do you get clients?
>what were your starting experiences?
>biggest challenges?
>what would you do differently now?
>can anyone reach your current point?
>how old?
>penor size?

>>1658818
sure.

>how long did it took
>3 years. Started at university during boring classes.

>what did you do before / background?
>I did translation work. Before that I was in school.

>where do you get clients?
>Word-of-mouth, my own website, activity on FB and forums builds my exposure.

>what were your starting experiences?
>Getting lame clients, working for them thinking that I'm learning a lot when I was already good enough to move up. Not asking every client for a testimonial from the beginning.

>biggest challenges?
>Going through weeks of no jobs because I didn't have enough experience/testimonials.

>what would you do differently now?
>Take notes on everything I read/watch about Copywriting/marketing. Then use those notes and on FB groups and forums to boost my exposure.

>can anyone reach your current point?
>easily, I'm not even a native English speaker.

>how old?
>23

>penor size?
>Prefer not to answer, it would make meeting other anons from here very awkward (I did meet some irl). I'm 6ft7' though so there's that.

>>1658795
>Thailand
>not fucking whores

Literally what is the point? The country is a cesspit. The only reason to go is for the fuck.

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>>1658834
Yeah some places are shit. Some are actual gems.

Wanted to finally work on a beach in a hammock next to my beach hut.
Wanted to see the culture (temples, etc.)
Wanted to taste the real food.
Wanted to see how poverty and westernisation works together.
Wanted to see the walking streets with trannies and hoes without fucking them.

To each his own, anon.

Is it possible to be a freelance web dev and be in a position to earn enough to travel and do the work on the go?
Is anyone doing that?

>>1658858
>web dev
so, i'm a noob when it comes to web development.
where do i start from?
html from all those online teaching websites?
how soon before i have a working website up and running?
the fuck is hosting a website and how and where do i host my own website?

sorry for being really noob, I just visit /g to look at riced home screens and desktops mostly.

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>>1658862
learn PHP xml and SQL, maybe Python, web dev is more coding sometimes. First work in firms to learn THEN proceed to found your own enterprise on the side.
Be patient it may take a year or two.

>>1656599
Maybe a minimum wage job.

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>>1658871
i have been looking to buy food grade semen in bulk for the longest time.
any recommendations?

>>1658880
buy a horse?

>>1658837
I wonder if you plan to explore other countries while working and earning your money with your laptop. Sounds awesome to me.. you could travel whereever you want the whole year. Is this what you are doing?

>>1659015
Yes, exactly.

Thailand is my first real freelance travel experiment. It's day 38 here and so far had only one issue with productivity.

Going to travel more in the future for sure.

>>1656594
are you black ?

>>1656774
I'm a fast typist (150-160wpm) and I want to do this too, however as english is not my main language do you think it will still be profitable to write courses/ebook in another language (french) ?

my understanding is that a huge portion of online course buyers are Pajeets and foreigners, so by not writing in english I potentially lose a huge part of my to-be customers
but I know that the material won't be as high quality as if I were writing in my native language

>>1658807
How did you get your first few clients? Did you have a portfolio?

>>1656604
> it was a SaaS model with reoccurring subs, in a mid saturated niche

Nah. You didn't bro.

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>>1659076
Just set myself with a goal of writing at least 5 proposals for jobs every day.

This was back in the Elance/Odesk era and I mainly worked through those websites (now they merged to the abomination called Upwork).

Now I would go to Cult Of Copy and post that I'm a newby looking for experience and enough to get by.
Learning about how stuff works from the inside is very valuable. Just find a good marketer who does well and work for him for very little.

>>1659085
What is your native language ?

>>1659102
Lithuanian

>>1659109
what do you think about my post here

>>1659072

I'm still debating between starting an affiliate marketing blog and writing an ebook
I have this problem that I keep reading and reading and reading and never actually starting because I feel like I'm not prepared enough

I could probably give a 15 minute talk on SEO and online marketing because I've read and watched so much shit online, but I havnt actually started anything yet

>>1659116
ok dude. Here's the thing about courses/ebooks.

Why not just do both? Writing an ebook should take no more than a week. 4-5 days usually. I thought that it will take months, preparing myself for it Prison Break style with the pictures, notes and maps on the wall with strings connecting them.

Reality is different. Don't think about it, just do it. Dictate, hire someone to transcribe, edit, design, launch.

Then just edit after you know what people are lacking or what they like.

Now I'm not there yet myself. But this is what a colleague who is making $10k+/day told me when we met in Bangkok.

>>1658879
I know you're baiting, but using 10.50 as a minimum wage, a full time worker with no time off would make 21,480 a year, or 1,820 a month.

>>1656466
I do, it is called a job. Work I'm release engineering for IBM and stopped going into the office more than once a week. The VP sent out a notice that we have to be in the office 90% of the time but fuck him, I'll work somewhere else if he wants to waste my time. Office is 95% old dudes and pajeets, everyone I networked with has been laid off or found work elsewhere. If they had some hotties it'd be worth going in, but they don't.

>>1658879
Average minimum wage in US is $7.25/h, vast majority of people barely make $20k a year doing slave labor. $4k a month for online buisness is great

>>1659137
thanks for the help mate, I already have an idea of an ebook in mind so I will be starting as soon as im done with my exams

do you have any good ressource to read on this ?

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Can't go into detail, but I make a lot more than that a month. Don't listen to these ebook selling wantrepreneurs. Getting rich by selling you a book about how to get rich. Pfft. This is why I hate this field. Filled with cucks that think everything in life is just business. Just do it. It's not THAT difficult all things considered. You have a higher chance at success than you might think, but it requires a lot of work and dedication. The last four years of my life were heavily dedicated to this, which I regret, but that's what you have to do. Everything else in my life suffered because of it.

I was a drop out and depressed with no future ahead of me. One of the only people in my life that cared about me understood what I was going through. I guess you can call him a mentor. He believed in me when I didn't. He employed me. This was a big deal because I bypassed everything which is the only way I could have gotten hired. Unless I wanted to work minimum wage for the rest of my life. With that I started to change my life around and it felt good to be independent..

I noticed that it would be beneficial if he had a website. Learned how to do it. Did it. Was beneficial for him and added more efficiency. Friends noticed and made remarks about how interesting it was. They weren't into computers or the whole "web" thing so since they knew I did it they would recruit me to do it. You'd be surprised how easily you can learn things with Google... And how much people who are not in your field are willing to pay you. For me, I was like this is easy! You can just Google all of this. I wouldn't even pay a dollar for this, but to them it was rocket science. Plus, they didn't have the time to mess with it. They would rather throw some money my way and make it happen.

Continued below...

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The funny thing was I never had competition and they were willing to pay me ridiculous (at least to me) prices because they wanted ME specifically. They would rather go to me and pay me more money than to use someone else out of trust, comfort, and security because I proved myself and they trusted their friends. I was an amateur too. After that it snowballed. Doesn't take much, believe it or not. Once you get the ball rolling you'll be set for life.

After I had a nice amount of money I went that whole business route to make it my career. Went through all that... sold it. Had a lot more money after that. Opened even MORE doors. More fancy gold plated doors. Once those doors open, it's over. Those doors lead to things where you get A LOT... A LOT of money for your work that you never imagined. Did a few more things after that. Now, I get "passive income" by paying other people to be in my position. This allows me to spread out more without taking up all of my time and stressing me out. HOWEVER, the downside is I get A LOT less money, but it's certainly more than enough for me because I made my money beforehand. I just need something to do so I don't get suicidal. Make sense? Yeah, you get the idea.

>>1656466
I'm a remote web dev for some lame start up in California. I make 15k a month before taxes.

>>1659202
Living the dream anon

what programming language did you learn to code websites ?

I actually have an idea for a book that i think its pretty cool. Some sort of criminal/digital/getting rich kind of fictional story.

Do you think its a good way of making some bucks? Writing this and selling it as ebook?

>>1659251
Not unless it's a series of books. Like the 48 laws of power in 48 different books.

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full-time youtuber

stats from the last 30 days

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Furthermore, here's what I mean by the gold doors...

We know the saying about opening doors and all, but not all doors are equal. I can't go into detail because I'm not allowed to, but here's a little more detail. I had doors open for me which led to more doors. They eventually led to the fancy doors. These doors are almost aneurysm inducing once you walk through and experience what's behind them.

Throughout my life... I did things or saw things that I thought were insignificant. However, like I mentioned before, to other people it might be rocket science. What I wouldn't pay someone else a dollar for due to my expertise in it, other people were willing to pay me a lot of money.

That's who I met. I was fortunate enough to meet a millionaire who wanted to hire me for a personal project to his mansion. I still have no fucking clue how I got in that position. It was an amazing experience. It was also surreal because what would be years of work for me, was insignificant to him. I thought I would charge... You know... My normal rate, maybe a little bit higher because it was a more difficult task, not because he was rich, I'm not a douche. But the price he had in mind, MUCH higher than mine, was normal for him for that type of work. At least he thought. It was worth it for him, but to me it's a big fucking deal because I don't live in a fucking mansion.

Like I said, I can't go into detail, but it wasn't for a website, obviously. It was a more convoluted project relating to programming and technology. Basically, here's the lesson... Networking is all you need. That's it. You'd be surprised what someone considers insignificant to them, but is a life changing thing to you. I have a difficult time expressing myself properly, but you get the idea. Google and networking. Snowballs fast.

>>1659239
JavaScript is about all you'd need. Everything else is just HTML/CSS. Depends on the area you want to focus on. Front end is simple. https://coggle.it/diagram/Vz9LvW8byvN0I38x

>>1659281
>Throughout my life... I did things or saw things that I thought were insignificant. However, like I mentioned before, to other people it might be rocket science. What I wouldn't pay someone else a dollar for due to my expertise in it, other people were willing to pay me a lot of money.

I have a hard time grasping this, but at the end of the day we have to remember that the vast majority of normies absolutely suck with anything computer related. It all seems so easy and natural to us because most of us have spent their teens shitposting on the internet and playing videogames which developed (for me at least) a huge knowledge in subjects that are normally not popular

thanks for the help anon, godspeed

>>1659255
Well done. I hope you can keep it up.

But don't forget to think of your future as well.

>>1659200
>>1659202
>>1659281
I don't want to be mean but you talk very vague and cryptic (maybe it's intended). I couldn't even figure out first what your field was.
So basically
>you were a depressed loser
>did some programming/webdev for friends and people you knew
>opened your own business and sold it (?)
>???
>"fancy doors open", work for a millionair you met as a freelancer
>you're rich af
Is that right?

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>>1658807
Is there any way I could email you if I have questions? If so, [email protected]

Thanks, anon. I'll read that book, I've already joined the cult of copy from a previous thread.

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>>1659085
I'm doing a similar thing, I write around 3-5 proposals on UpWork every day, no luck so far (started yesterday though).

Since you're not from the US, let me ask you something: were you at some point in your career, required to speak through Skype or something? I've got good writing and reading skills but my conversational English is wonky as fuck.

Also, thanks for the cult of copy facebook thing.

>>1659255
That is actually really impressive if that is legitimate. I know how cut throat and difficult YouTube can be. I hope you're selling those idiots shirts and other shit too.

>>1658862
>>1658871

front end: html/css/js
get familiar with preprocessors such as haml/sass if you want to stay front end.
backend: MEAN stack or RoR or Python+Django
the LAMP stack (XXAMP) is debatable but it is 2016 bro

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Digital Artist here... making a little under six figures annually.

>>1659109
Someone made it. mldc seni

>>1659839

how ? always thought artists starve

>>1659174
You mean resource on creating an ebook or what?

>>1659727
Sent you en email.

>>1659761
Oh yeah. First few actual calls are sooo stressful.

But I've been watching Cartoon Network since forever and I still remember most shows and episodes by heart. Hence, my speaking skills are close to native English.

I say don't worry about it. You don't have to make it on your first call, after a few times it just gets so natural that you don't even think about it.

Also, no one is going to judge your speaking skills. All that matters is that you can get results with your writing.

Just don't do this and you'll be fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULqAIbjCsXE

I have made on average about 5k$ a month the last two years playing poker.

>>1660305
how do you do it?

>>1656694
just google them dummy

>>1658862
Besides the previous answers. Go over to /g/ they have a great web dev general with a bunch of links for people just starting out.

>>1658862
webdev is good but you won't get rich.

just saying. literally every graphics designer nowdays has web skills

>>1660420
Backend is where it's at man. Those guys rake in dosh.
Also with fullstack skills you can always be working on setting up your own ventures and get them to take off.

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>>1660301
Argh man, that is demotivational as fuck. Not the video, but the fact that Skype calls are most likely to be required.

Not only my conversational English is kinda poor, I don't have a webcam, my bedroom looks terrible (shitty house almost falling apart) and I live in a noisy environment. Hell, most of the reason I wanted to freelance was to actually make the money to leave this place.

>>1660809
dude, just go to a cafe or something.

Talking through Skype or whatever should be your last concern.

Let me tell you something about where you are now. As long as you have some sort of income from a regular job, parents, whatever. And you practice Copywriting consistently, it will replace that regular job eventually.

Doing it consistently and not quitting even when there's no work for weeks is the key. Just don't quit and remember that each day you're raising your skill that will be with you forever.

I come from a relatively poor country compared to the west, but that didn't stop me one bit. One good client is all it takes to get that 4-figure payday and then you only get higher.

>>1660420
The money comes from having backend skill

No one cares about your pretty buttons if they don't work, and no one wants to hire 2 people for one job, unless it's a big design firm.

>>1659934
Photography or logo designers make fucking bank if you can find a good firm to work for

But the average Joe never wants to pay more than $10

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>>1660831
Eh, in hindsight, I think I've overreacted.

Still, I've got to research and learn a bit more about writing, then I'll develop around 2 websites and use those as my practice grounds for developing copy. Best case scenario, I'll have a portfolio and some income from the websites as well.

Thanks for all the input, you're one of the reasons I still tend to browse 4chan.

PS, those skype calls, are they usually voiced only or do they require video feed too? Gonna have to acquire a webcam if they tend to require video feed.

>>1660881
Try to make one website a photographers portfolio (grab random images if you need to)

Then make your second project complex, try to make a shifty 4Chan clone.

Literally how I landed my first job.

Also digital ocean is a great host but you need to learn how to run a linux server

It will all come to you with time, just don't freak out, and work every project like a puzzle, think it the fuck through, and write up a dozen mockups on paper before beginning

(These mockups shouldn't be detailed and should mainly express the flow of the site)

Good luck, but you might want to get a shifty part time job while you're learning this, fuck the club, code every weekend.

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>>1660888
Thanks, man. Having a hard time finding a part-time job, most of the opportunities around here are terrible (300USD and requiring you to work 10 hour shifts, Saturdays included).

Still, I'm making 300USD thanks to a side gig from an online company, working 1h per day. Hope it lasts until my projects and freelancing career starts to take off.

Godspeed, anon.

>>1660881
Nope, no camera needed really.

There were only a couple times I needed to use out of thousands of calls.

But, a good strategy for applying to jobs is actually recording yourself speaking the proposal rather than writing it. I got a lot responses doing that because it's just something different and innovative.

>>1656695
Do you feel the E book market is saturated ?

>>1656474
I would like to buy your business