Is he actually a good businessman, or is he actually shit? Is

>>1583051
>worth $10,000,000,000 USD
idk you tell me

>>1583051
>Is he actually a good businessman

He's pretty successful, sure.

>Is he "our guy"?

I do not see how he is "our guy" in any way.

If you know anything about his record you know the following:

-Donald Trump is mostly an opportunist
-Like a vulture he's very good at smelling weakness and moving in to feed on carcasses
-When it comes to actually making good on the opportunities he is able to sniff out he doesn't finish well
-He has gone bankrupt as a consequence of gambling on big opportunities and losing

He is neither a competent administrator or strategist. His actual gift is his ability to sniff out major opportunities, particularly where state institutions are failing and private entities can swoop in to make a huge profit. That's it. He isn't "our guy", and he isn't a competent administrator.

>His business doesn't even outperform Granny's index fund.
>Losses so yuge they completely offset his profitable ventures.
>Insane tax policies that will line his own pockets while bankrupting the country.
>His election would cause an 8-16% fall in the stock market.
He may be /pol/'s guy, but this is /biz/. He is definitely not our guy.

>>1583052
>Worth $50,000,000,000
>if he had let a fund manage his inheritance
>instead of playing monopoly
>and screwing over little guy contractors.

>>1583051
Depends on what you mean by "good". He didn't take the most efficient path to his money. But, he has real assets all over the world.

>>1583059
>>1583077
>>1583085
Thank you for Correcting The Record™.

>>1583051
His ROE is 10% IIRC. Which is about the market growth of the major indexes from the sixities till today.

>inb4 some /pol/tard starts talking about muh billions

>>1583085
>give all your money away
>now your a hobo
>BUT 40 years later you could be a BILLONAIRE but every single person you employ now or have employed in the past doesnt have a job!

ya, great deal
>

>>1583102

>Implying I'm a CTR shill

I'm a Bernie man, but your reaction to people knocking your orange god is priceless. If I told you about the time the Yakuza took Trump for over $10mm and put him into bankruptcy you would probably want another nuke dropped on Japan.

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>>1583051
Do you think Trump browses /biz/? It's been confirmed Eric browses /pol/ so it's not to far a stretch.

>>1583150
Don Jr shitposts on /k/

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>>1583059
>If you know anything about his record
...did you just...correct the record?

>>1583051
he's his own guy

>>1583102
>(CTR cut-and-paste)
This is why you're going to lose not only the Presidential election, but Congress too: you dismiss all serious negative points against Trump as memes, implying that no one can level criticisms unless they're paid for it.

Trust me, we don't need to be paid to dislike Donald. I do it for free.

Also, unfortunately for you, the days of the "tolerant left" are over. We fight back back now, harder than you, and we're keeping score. You'll get yours, faggot, in time.

>>1583190
They're not serious negatives. They're literally made up talking points. Try again faggot.

>>1583165
>>1583203

You trump chumps are a special kind of retarded. The only people on your level are SJWs and #BLM.

>>1583203
>They're not serious negatives.
Criticizing his business acumen and judgement is not a serious negative?

Criticizing his tax and fiscal policy is not a serious negative?

Criticizing the likely economic consequences of his policies is not a serious negative?

Son, get your ignorant NEET ass out of the /pol/ echo-chamber and wake. the. fuck. up. You've gotten so fat chowing down red sugar pills that you can even distinguish reality anymore.

>>1583210
Shoo, CTR, shoo

>>1583223

So salty /pol/.

>>1583244
kill yourself nigger, your life isn't actually worth anything

>>1583252

Soooo ass devastated.

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>>1583244

>>1583190
>he does it for free

>>1583148
>Bernie man

I don't think Sanders supporters are legally allowed to call themselves men.

>>1583257
>>1583261

>I suck little oompa loompa cock

>>1583169

He's a big guy.

>>1583217
No one has done any of that. You've just spouted bullshit.

>>1583277
He is a large man who inherited a shitload of wealth and was allowed to build casinos and disgusting hotels and what not, only managed to lose like half his money. The other one is a shriveled up feudalistic power monger, it sure will be nice when the US election is over, it's been shitting up the internets for what seems like forever.

>>1583293

I sure have. Trump lost millions and went bankrupt after numerous failed business strategies and power grabs. His major construction projects in New York went tits up after his Casino lost a shit ton of money to the Yakuza. He has consistently sniffed out big opportunities for profit, such as the tax break he managed to wring out of NYC when they were having their credit crisis, and subsequently failed to execute them.

In summation he's a nasty little scavenger who lacks the talent to capitalize on his own grandiose opportunism.

>>1583329
My mistake. You have criticized. Why you haven't done is put forth a coherent argument. All you got is a bitch.

>>1583329
>Trump lost millions and went bankrupt
Somehow I don't see how a personal net worth of billions jibes with declaring bankruptcy.

>>1583344
He has his companies compartmentalized. He learned his lesson from the Taj.

>>1583339

>not a coherent argument

>>1583344

>I'm on /biz/ but I don't understand bankruptcy

Slink back to /pol/ in shame cuck.

>>1583347
It's not a coherent argument you stupid fuck. You're just crying like a little bitch. Claims, grounds, warrant some shit. Why don't you tie your crybaby horseshit together?

>>1583349

Oh sure, let me just give you a standard case for Lincoln-Douglas style debate, pared down for 4chan post limits

>Trump voters = goddamn /pol/ tier faggots
>Trump = chief faggot

>>1583347
>>I'm on /biz/ but I don't understand bankruptcy
Denbts you cannot pay -> negative net worth
Trump has a net worth of billions, how can he declare bankruptcy?

>>1583356

>t. typical Trump supporter

>>1583357
Trump has never been bankrupt you mong.

>>1583362

>t. typical Trump supporter

>>1583377
OK, give me 10 million and rich parents.

>>1583354
>not an argument

>>1583354
Hey guys, spot the spic

>>1583356
Fucking hell. Just stop.

>>1583380

The arguments are up-thread, but I know how you folks have trouble processing things you don't agree with.

>>1583381

I'm actually a kraut-frog-aryan-cherokee, thank you very much.

Have any of you turned millions into billions?

No?

Didn't think so

>>1583393
You literally have zero arguments. All you have is bitching and moaning. Try harder nigger.

>>1583051

mcdonalds was pretty well run when moonman was ceo, so I figure if trump has moonman in his cabinate it should work well

>>1583051
he saw opportunity in NYC when it was still a shithole-read about how he redid the skating rink there when the government was fucking it up

>>1583528
Trump renovations[edit]
The rink was closed in 1980 for a proposed two years of renovations at $9.1 million. Six years and $13 million later, after the problem-plagued work was still not completed by the city, Donald Trump persuaded Mayor Ed Koch in 1986 to let him complete the work in four months at $2.5 million in order to have it open by the end of the year.[3][4] Koch initially objected but later agreed to Trump's proposal when Trump offered to pay for the renovations himself with the stipulation that he be allowed to run the venue and an adjacent restaurant and use the profits to recoup his costs.[5] The rink reopened to the public on November 13, 1986, with a ribbon-cutting ceremony and press conference attended by Koch and Trump, covered by national evening broadcast television news.[6][7] Total cost of renovations by Trump came in under budget at $2.25 million.

Donald Trump operated the rink from 1987 to 1991.[8] From 1991 to 2001 George Makkos from The Makkos Organization of M&T Pretzel, operated Wollman Rink. Since 2001, Wollman Rink has been operated by a joint venture between The Trump Organization and Rink Management Services of Mechanicsville, Virginia. The Trump name is prominently displayed on the walls of the rink as well as on the Zamboni that maintains the rink. Operation of the Lasker Rink on the north edge of Central Park is also handled by the group.

>>1583261
The irony, go back to sucking on trumps tiny raisin fingers

>>1583394
Have any of us been given millions by our rich fathers?

No?

Didn't think so

I've got no merit to tell you, but Carl Icahn does.

He won't acknowledge Trump as a good businessman BUT he does admire his ability to connect with people and get things done.

Icahn saved his life during the Casino epidemic that Trump was facing and then turned around a couple years later and tried to fuck him for a few extra dollars.

Icahn is Brutal, but an excellent businessman.

>>1583264
>>1583544

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All this ressentiment while most here couldnt realize 1 of his buildings even if given the money.
Fucking worms.

Yeah he is our guy. Any "man" that votes hillary is laughable

>>1583190
>the days of the "tolerant left" are over
Leftists trying to sound tough is so sad. You guys have never been tolerant. Just incapable.

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>>1583190
Nogunz left making a threat

>>1583190
kek nu-male keyboard warriors really get me scared. I hope this is a troll

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>>1584088

Trump-niggers ladies and gents

>>1583059
Trump has not "gone bankrupt" because of his casino venture, you idiots fail to realize the difference between a public company filing for bankruptcy and his net worth as a personal individual (which is tied to Trump organization, a PRIVATE company worth billions. No one knows the true equity because as it's a private corporation, he doesnt have to release anything.
He merely lost a penny in this 2b$ casino "bankruptcy", the ones who got fucked were the investors who trusted trump's brand and name

>>1583472
Why is it that every /pol/ poster is obsessed with the word nigger?

>>1584274
Maybe 50 years ago liberals didn't want to take our guns, but it's clearly not the case in this day and age.

>>1584293
Why are niggers, like yourself, so worried about what I say?

>>1583085
Liberal logic and the power of hindsight. IRL Managed funds do not always go up. It would have averaged out lower than what has been reported as fact. Probably the same fuckers who round gravity to 10 and are 'subject matter experts'

His salesmanship is on point,

>>1585238
... You guys are so obsessed with niggers and spics that no one can have a normal conversation without name calling. Like a child.

>>1585381
>His salesmanship is on point,
Polling numbers suggest otherwise. He knows how to sell to a willing buyer, but he can't persuade anyone not already inside the tent.

From a business standpoint, there's little to nothing to admire about Trump. He's all flash, no skill.

>>1583051
I do believe trump comes from a great place, as he does obviously have business experience. It is difficult to say, however, how to gage his economic policies. Also, I'm curious, what are his policies on education and student loans.

>>1585394
Thank you for Correcting our Record!

>>1585575
It's embarrassing that you and your kind are so stupid that you default to this cut-and-paste reply when faced with the slightest opposition to the viewpoint espoused in your echo chamber.

Get your shit together, kid. Life is gonna continue to fuck you in the ass until you stop acting like a raging faggot.

>>1585391
Spoken like a dumb nigger.

>>1583329
Get some rest, Hillary, you look tired...

>>1585811
Thanks for correcting the record again!

>American election
>a corrupt billionaire against another corrupt billionaire who also happens to be a treasonous warmongering tyrant CIA asset

Can't make this shit up.

>>1583203
>point out he didn't beat the market
>Trump has used extensive leverage in the past
>it's not an argument
?

>>1583344
Assets under his management went bankrupt losing him and his investors millions. His exposure was probably yuuge as he had to liquidate a lot of personal assets.

>>1583356
The business you manage can declare bankruptcy. How much Trump lost depends on his exposure. Dick Fuld for example is not bankrupt even though he drove Lehmann into the ground.

>>1585956
No it's not. "Beating the market" on that scenario requires he starve for 40years waiting for his ROI. Meanwhile he actually contributes to the economy.

>>1583052

>believing a man who admits to lying in order to promote himself
>being this bad at math on /biz/

>>1585962
>"Beating the market" on that scenario requires he starve for 40years waiting for his ROI.
No, it just means that he makes a few less deals that lead to massive losses and bankruptcies.

And if he really wants to contribute to the economy, could you kindly ask him to (a) actually pay his contractors and suppliers, (b) stop buying foreign steel and other raw materials, and (c) stop hawking crappy "Trump" brand crap imported from China.

The latest story is bitch #11 claiming he sexually harassed her.
I like how these accusers are only claiming all this now, and also how they are 'staggered' throughout the campaign, so it keeps that angle fresh in the public mind.

At first I thought this was the usual smear campaign that every election has, but I smell a rat now. This definitely seems engineered, or at least managed, possibly by Clinton, but maybe just haters in general.

The latest claim is that The Donald met pornstar Jessica Drake, and kissed her on the mouth without permission. Then allegedly offered her $10K and the use of his private jet.

If that last part is true, this really is shocking, as a /biz/reali.
She's a pornstar, Donald, you could have fucked her for much less!
Also, you are supposed to pay prostitutes up front!

>>1585971
Good job sucking up media talking points. Kindly fuck off until you know what you're talking about.

>>1585983
>being this triggered
>>>/pol/ is over there, kid. We can all see you have nothing intelligent to add here. So why waste our time?

>>1583059
>opportunist
>vulture
>inconsistent
>perverted
>bully
>incompetent
>irresponsible
>arrogant
>deep in debt
>prejudiced
>ignores all advice

he sure sounds like our guy to me.
Not a role model, necessarily, but looking at the above list, I think he would be welcomed into the fold.
All those in favour say 'aye'!

So many triggered /pol/tards itt

You know he never cared about winning, just ginning up this base of retards who will consume his products and probable media empire faithfully. You've all been played.

And he won't win- it is practically assured.

>>1585992
You should try making an argument instead of regurgitating talking points. Until then, fuck off back to whatever shithole you crawled out of.

>>1586035
That doesn't even make sense. Where did your bullshit theory originate?

>>1583052
More like less than 4 billion, but whatever.

How does anyone even think Donald Trump is a viable candidate?

He's definitely not "our guy." He doesn't give a fuck about business, he only gives a fuck about himself. Textbook narcissist.

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>>1583210
>2¢ have been deposited to your account

>>1583088
Isn't that rather ideal for nation building though? I.E. try to develop your country as much as possible, then observe your investments and try to re-allocate spent capital as best you can whenever some of your investments inevitably fail?

Steve Jobs was Donald Trump except better.
Both were successful, but if you're gonna try and emulate a narcissistic demagogue self-made billionaire, shoot for the top.

Jobs was better at marketing and branding than Trump, that's like saying you lost a race to Ayrton Senna.