what do I do now? >4 years doing accounting >whole of

>accounting
>can't find a "relevant" job

I'm not really understanding what you're talking about? Everybody needs an accountant.

>>1575396
IMO Accounting is a field that is going to be automated at some point in the near future.

What University did you get your degree at?

>>1575400
I'm a graduate, not an accountant. any position that asks for an 'accountant' wants like 3-5+ years experience

>>1575402
swin

>>1575405
What accountancy specialization did you choose?

>>1575407
it was an accounting (major) and finance (co-major) degree. no particular specialisation in accounting

>>1575413
Keep applying to jobs, eventually you'll get something . You could always join the military as a financial officer or some shit idk

>>1575415
I've been applying throughout the year, hundreds of jobs by now. got my resume checked etc, tried all sorts of cover letters. by now I'll have to be competing with all the upcoming graduates as well. i don't have much hope left to find anything. the market is oversaturated enough already. what hope is there when each job is getting 400+ minimum applications?

>>1575425
Move somewhere that isn't overcrowded

>>1575443
I don't have the money for that and I'd rather not at this stage

>>1575405

This. Also accounting fag. Plenty of jobs! But they all want multiple years of experience. "Entry level... 2-5 years experience necessary." And yes I apply anyway, but they actually mean it when they say it. Because according to HR morons it is impossible for someone to simply LEARN a new software and the only way you can ever use it is if you already know how. So unless you have spent multiple years using their speshul snowflake software of the thousands of accounting software existing, they won't give you a chance.

If I could go back in time to my college days, I'd still major in accounting, but I'd punch every HR major in the face.

However, other jobs really are wowed by an accounting degree, but they usually pay less than 15-20/hr in freedombux.

>>1575402
people have been saying accounting will become automated since the invention of the adding machine, and probably all the way back to the abacus. it won't happen because you still need human oversight and accountability. even fully integrated systems like Deltek need a whole department to ensure everything is entered and posted accurately.

the world will always need accountants

>>1575450
What city are you in now?

>>1575464
>Because according to HR morons it is impossible for someone to simply LEARN a new software and the only way you can ever use it is if you already know how. So unless you have spent multiple years using their speshul snowflake software of the thousands of accounting software existing, they won't give you a chance.

This probably pisses me off the most about all of it too. It doesn't take very long to learn new software but because they're too lazy, scared (for their own repercussions) and don't want to waste the time on someone who doesn't already know the job exactly, they literally won't hire anyone who isn't an exact match for what they are looking for. I've even been knocked back from a position after an interview because I didn't have experience working in a high volume invoice environment, because working a bit longer to do more invoices is so fucking hard and only a genius qualified in the exact position can do the job.

This even applies to grad jobs too. They have these fancy grad positions but (as I've heard) once you go into them they basically expect you know nothing after a 3-4 year degree and just learn whatever system they are using.

>other jobs really are wowed by an accounting degree

Which ones in your experience?

>>1575474
lelbourne

>>1575481
>Which ones in your experience?

Anything basic. I have a [spoiler]coffee shop job[/spoiler] and I'm pretty sure they hired me for the sole reason of eventually promoting me to their accounting department. It was actually discussed with the big boss when they hired me. I imagine any entry level position, just say "I have an accounting degree but can't find work, I wanted this as a temp/part time/applicable job so I can pay rent in the meantime." Then they get greedy and want to snatch you.

And I feel it. They're very snooty that they think their software of choice is so complex and difficult to learn and only a master wizard trained in five years of wagecucking could ever hope to master it. Like bitch I've used roughly 50 different softwares in my time, all damn sorts of 'em in every category, and the learning time for the worst was about 3 days. They don't get it. Just a bunch of computer-retarded normie cocksuckers who think computers are magic and "hard". You merely adopted the computer, I was born into it, molded by it... I wish I could put long-time internet lurker, pirate, and technological wizard as a resume skill. But I'm not like a programmer or even /g/uy, it's just basic to any channer for long enough, for my various hobbies or things I've tried out. I've pretty much lived on a computer since age 12. Art software, sound, writing/word processing, pirating, file formatting and conversion, emulators, repair and decrapifying, gps map editors and loaders, mobile reader conversion and processing, web crawlers and rippers, recorders, gayming and modification, to say nothing of all the crazy shit I used during school. If nothing else I can CLEARLY get dropped into any software and be able to swim just fine. And these dumbass HR cunts who "work with computers" type the site address into the google searchbar, then turn around and say you have no experience in their software so obviously you can't do the job.

>>1575481
this applies to everything nowadays

theres an opening for a labourer position for snow removal in my city.

whats expected? 3-4 years experience. In a mind numbing job operating what is essentially a snowplow on wheels. Thats it.

>>1575495
I try not to think about it because it frustrates to me to no end that some fuck sits there and looks at my resume and thinks because my experience doesn't 100% exactly match the job description, I am utterly incapable of doing it and I could never learn it.

I mean for fucks sake, I spent 4 years doing a degree which is 100000x harder than inputting some shit into software but somehow it's not good enough even with relevant experience.

I've spent hundreds if not thousands of hours in the arma2/3 editors (huge learning curve compared to accounting software) creating huge missions and campaigns from just an idea in my head to thousands of downloads and being highly well received by players, learned numerous DAWs to create/write/edit my own songs and edit audio, created modding guides for games that took intense amounts of effort and time with thousands more downloads and praise, basically taught myself how to play guitar... and yet supposedly because this piece of paper says I'm not experienced in what they want I can't do some shitty job that a fucking trained monkey can do.

feels like some kind of nightmare, how am I ever going to get a decent income to support myself and move out of home? the housing market is already fucked 10x over enough by now, let alone in god knows how many years if I manage to make enough money.

>>1575509
yeah it's the same here even for the most basic jobs. cafe waiter? 3 years. washing dishes? 1-2 years. apply for countless jobs from accounting to low level wageslave shit and 99% you will never even hear back from let alone interview.

the only reason I have any experience is thanks to a family connection but it's a complete dead end. how the fuck do people actually get jobs? it's fucking stupid

>>1575536
> how the fuck do people actually get jobs? it's fucking stupid

you said it in your previous sentence

they know somebody. A family member, a friend, a former coworker

im a pipefitter by trade and its BAD like that in my profession.

>working with SRS industrial in Alberta Canada
>Foreman Paul Young keeps firing people for mundane things.
>"you shouldnt eat outside the lunch room"
>you went outside without your hard hat! (our lunch room is half a kilometer away from the worksite" your fired!
>everytime he fires someone the next day miraculously he has someone lined up for the trade he just fired. Including his girlfriend once.

yes i used real identities cause im sick of this happening.

They either do that or they hire immigrant workers cause Filipinos wont say no to dangerous work otherwise they get sent back to their countries. Fucking foreman/construction managers.

>>1575536
>how the fuck do people actually get jobs?

Being charismatic and massively normie, so the mega normie HR cunt likes them. They usually talk about TV shows or sports games and then get a job offer. Oh, and you need to "be a leader" and a "team player" and other buzzwords. Basically fill your mouth up with a pile of bull shit and go vomit in on them while stabbing yourself through the ear and out the other side repeatedly with a metal spike while talking about your dream of being a wageslave for their company for the next 20 years and giving them your firstborn son to show your dedication to a job that doesn't care about them.

Jesus fucking christ I get you. The current job they asked me if I was a fast learner, and I said I made it through university so I must be. They're just vapid simpletons who can't think or reason worth shit. Because they're bad at computers they assume everyone is.

And they talk about having "excel skills" like okay yeah it's impossible to watch a five minute youtube video and learn this basic ass shit. Okay. If the software was so hard it took five years of study to use it, it's a shitty software by design. The point of software design is that it is intuitive and user friendly. If you're telling me I need 5 years experience to use it, then you're telling me it's a steaming pile of shit and you know nothing about software engineering and probably can't tell an OS from a web browser.

>>1575596
most of the people I know have got their jobs through someone they know, it's kinda sad that that is actually how it is. either that or literally top 1% academically from who I know for grad positions

>>1575602
if you can even get that far for an interview... I had an interview about a month back but I guess you're right that I didn't crawl around on the floor and act like a dog to show how bad I wanted it.

some of the questions are so fucking stupid, 'where do you see in yourself in 5 years (grad position)' 'what type of accounting do you want to do'. fuck I don't know that's why I'm a graduate so I can actually work and find out what I like and what I actually want to do, I don't even know the basics of the actual job and they want me to have a full plan of my career, as if everything always works out like you want. literally saying 'i don't know, i just want to learn the basics first, take it from there and find out what I like' is literally not a good enough answer for these dumb cunts

>>1575396
>part time

Stopped reading right there

>>1575702
>I don't even know the basics of the actual job and they want me to have a full plan of my career,

I feel you so badly. The past five years of my life I've changed so much, hell education wise alone I changed majors four times. Five years from now? Maybe retired as a writer living in a cabin in the mountains, maybe a part timer, maybe a sole practitioner, maybe a typical wageslave, maybe the fucking CEO, in anything from finance to taxes to actuary to, hell, anything. It could go anywhere. I'm flexible, they want you to say you're flexible but they don't mean real flexibility like this, they mean willing to bend over backwards for the company, willing to work 80 hour weeks. It's just a bunch of bullcrap. And god forbid you're honest. "Rate your experience in this software." Well nearly nothing but I can learn, yeah you get booted out the door. Why do you want to work for us? Money bitch, if you weren't paying me I wouldn't be here, therefore that's the reason. If you're honest you get fucked over. If you're exceptional you get fucked over. The only ones who win are those who lick boots like a dog from age 16 on and have no life outside the company and watching netflix.

You have to beg to become a slave for these people, it's bullshit. Number one reason I want to get out of the wageslave trap as soon as possible. Maybe that's starting a business, but then instead of begging employers to let you be their slave, you have to beg cuntomers for the same. Like a job interview every day.

Why can't normies just hire based on ability and qualifications, and buy things based on function, and be otherwise reasonable and logical beings? Instead I'm trapped in a nightmare of shallow buzzwords, water cooler talk, and emotion-based thinkers.

>>1575702
if your not willing to play the game you wont get the job.

you sound like a vapid whiny cunt who shows up and isnt prepared for an interview and cant laugh at jokes or make decent jokes and fit in.

give up

After reading this thread it really confirms everything I've heard about Australia in that the job market there is just shit. It seems that if you're not some bogan working in a mine out in the boonies than you're shit out of luck.

>>1575702
Lol I wouldn't hire you with answers like that either.. tf you mean you don't know.. you're supposed to at least pretend to know and not give some vague ass answer

>>1575743
>you can only get a full time job if you have a full time job

how am I supposed to get my first one? it's people like you that do this shit with these fucking stupid, meaningless expectations

>>1575751
it's all a joke, getting a fucking degree is a god damn scam

>>1575754
>assuming this much

clearly the problem is I am too honest, I'm not a robot who can't talk and spergs out on basic social interaction. I can literally fit in with almost anyone fine.

>>1575755
probably the best advice ITT

>>1575761
pretty much every sector is down in jobs. even the mining has been down now for the past couple of years or so

>>1575768
I do give some kind of vague answers like 'auditing' or 'management' or 'studying or completed ca/cpa', but I also say I'm not sure and I want to learn the basics first to decide.

>>1575405
>>1575413
I don't get it. You have an accounting degree but don't do accounting?

>>1575754

>being a bootlicker is necessary to get the job
>no mention of being able to do the actual fucking job

It's a business, not a social club.

>>1575761

I'm US, not upsidedownland.

>>1575911

>you don't have a job
>I don't get it, are you telling me you don't have a job and can't get one?

Yes, dimwit.

>need a job to get a job
>need a job to get a job to get a job
>need a job to get a job to get a job to get a job...

>>1575911
>>1575932
I have a part time accounts payable job because it's what I managed to get. what part of not being able to get a full time accounting job are you incapable of understanding?

>>1575467
This

I am the guy who automates the accounting. It seems to involve more people the more automated it gets.

>>1575481
There's a difference between learning to operate an accounting system, and being effective in its use to the point where you're not a big liability and efficiency cost.

Unless you're a shitty AP/AR clerk. If you're just creating invoices and posting them to someone else's ledgers you're not a real accountant. You're an admin assistant.

>>1575396
accountingfag here, start with temp agencies, get experience then you'll get a job

>>1575951
Are you actually professionally certified? Why would anyone hire an unchartered accountant?

>>1576003
Or just get chartered like almost any accountant who has a decent job?

>>1575396
Accountant student at swin here as well, in my 2nd year.

Did you not do an IBL? or any internships throughout your degree?

Im just lining up an intern for next year atm

>>1576025
Get chartered.

>>1576000
>you're not a real accountant

yes, because I graduated one year ago isn't that obvious? AP/AR is not an accountant position but it is somewhat relevant, so I have at least some semi-relevant experience

>>1576007
I'm a graduate, I'm trying to find a graduate position or similar. I'm not supposed to be and don't need to be chartered, it takes years to do.

>>1576025
no I didn't, unfortunately I didn't know any better at the time but it was never made clear by the uni that I would seriously struggle to find work or maybe not even be able to at all if I didn't. maybe I should have known better but I was 17 when I started and was just getting it through it for a while. I applied for a few internships here and there but didn't have any luck.

>>1576035
stop posting here, you don't know what you're talking about

>>1576063
So three of those were my posts.

You're telling me you've graduated a year ago, but I don't know what I'm talking about? I'd be a bit confused if I got to this point in my career without knowing anything about accounting.

And good universities offer the chance to begin chartership through the degree program. I'm not sure where you are in the world, but here in the UK I know CIMA and ACCA chartered accountants who are 21/22. What's your excuse?

On a much less bitchy and petty-Internet-argument note however, if accounting is the career path you want to follow, I'd recommend going for management accounting, unless you plan to consult down the line.

>>1576000
Trips

>>1575396
Who the fuck would ever grew up saying "I'd like to be an accountant?" You went after an illusion of becoming a CEO or some shit and got a reality check.

Get ANY job, save as much as you can (shouldn't be hard, living at your parents') and learn to invest.

>>1575790
christ... maybe instead of being honest you try adn come up with some decent responses to answers. You know when they ask why do you want a job instead of spurging out ans saying money you respond with that your looking to further improve your career and make a company expand or some shit.

>>1575932
No boss is going to hire some shitbag off the street that doesnt even know if he wants to be there, let alone waste time training them just so they can bail because its not for them. Let alone some "outspoken" individual such as yourself.

I really dont understand what goes through australians minds. Wahh Wahh I can't find a job, you need a job to get a job.

Sometimes nigga you gotta take that part time, and sometimes you gotta take a shit job in a small company and work up. There not just going to hand you the accounting job walsting in, but yet if you applied to a basic bitch admin assistant position and prove your worth.

>>1576722
>what goes through australians minds.

I'M NOT AUSTRALIAN YOU DIPSHIT

Fuck's sake.

Double standard. They want me to be loyal to the company (when they look like every single other fucking company) but they would dick me around, make me work 80 hour weeks, pay me as little as possible, and cut benefits if they can get away with it. Fuck them.

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>>1576722
>walsting in