Do any of you write ebooks for money? How long or short do they

>>1178418
you can write anything for money as long as theres a market for it, may it be furry fanfics or love stories

>>1178418
Blogging is where the real money is at.

>>1178421
I have some markets and subjects in mind, but I'm curious about how other people do it. Fresh perspectives do nobody harm.

>>1178423
How so?

>>1178430
Nobody is randomly going to buy a book from some no-name author without significant advertisement and support from a publishing company. Blogs are easier to digest, and they don't have to buy anything, just load ads.

>>1178436
>Nobody is randomly going to buy a book from some no-name author without significant advertisement and support from a publishing company.

Jesus. What decade are you posting from?

>>1178465
Who are some successful self made ebook writers then?

>>1178473
Me, bitch.

Ever heard of me?

Thought so, cunt.

>>1178473
E. L. James.

This is the 21st century, you know. AirBnB versus Hotels. Uber versus Taxis. Airline websites versus Travel Agents. Netflix versus Television.

Ebooks versus Publishers.

"Self made" ebook writer. I'm a polite person, but I really can't contain my scorn here. Jesus Christ.
"Self made" ebook writer.

Why are you even on /biz/? Shouldn't you be telling your broker to buy typewriter stock from a payphone somewhere?

>>1178436
I don't think you understand the game. I know a guy in Austin TX who writes poorly edited e-books in the zombie genre and sells them via Amazon. He makes about $500 every 3 months and uses it for dining out at nice places with his wife. His stories sell for about a dollar and his biggest complaints are that his editing is shit.

Zombie stuff sells!

>>1178500
Good post. I know a woman whose husband couldn't get an agent for his writing and so he went the ebook route. He is a consistent best seller on Amazon. Finally he sent a copy of his Amazon best seller listings to an agent and he was immediately contacted and got representation.

Dumbass publishing reps didn't even know to search the Amazon best seller lists for popular writers! I imagine publishing reps still buy buggy whips and have flip phones.

>>1178588
>>1178589

Look up some stuff on Chrsitine sims (?) she's the person (alias) who writes tons of dinosaur erotica. She recently did an interview with vice in which she revleaed she made more last year than her engineer friend at Boeing. Partially due to the tumblr/internet news virality of her dino erotica, but still.

She's released over 100 books I believe. She def got me to open word

BTW it's worth noting her books are shit, she's not a talented writer, just writes niche monster erotica trash. If you can post on this filipino cartoon board you can write at her level

Im currently writing my first fantasy book. Even if it only makes 5 or 10 bucks permonth, it will be passive income for the rest of my life.Do you guys think its effective to shill your book on reddit, /lit/, or fantasy forums? any other good strategies promoting your book for free?

>>1178622
Why not include some sex? Sex sells on amazon

>>1178622

I'm sure /lit/ will love your generic fantasy novel.

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>>1178418
Man who even reads modern pulp?

Pulp was great in a time when media entertainment was limiting. Now everyone can consume his zombie stories in the form of games, forum roleplays, fanfic etc. They'd grow tired before wading through the ocean of free fanfic before buying digital pulp.

That said I'm very interested in this. I studied a useless write and read heavy degree and didn't cut it as a journalist. As a mediocre, yet somewhat experienced, amateur writer I might finally have a chance to shine.

fakt ap

How does one get started writing and selling e-books? Are people really willing to pay for shit like this?

>>1178473
The chick who wrote 50 shades of grey

>>1178854

This. I'm curious too.

I won't pretend to be great but I would consider myself reasonably creative and I enjoy writing. So I probably could make a book that wasn't complete shit.

Would that be worth while or is effortless shit with a quirky premise the way to go to sell? Should you do your own advertising and shilling around blogs and Tumblr to get attention?

>>1178867
I've dabbled with the idea of writing and selling online as well, it's a lot harder than I previously thought to write an entire novel and make it good from beginning to end though.

I would say advertise yourself as much as possible, and pay for it when you can. I think the most important thing is having an eye catching cover, there's a reason why people say don't judge a book by its cover (because people do it all the time).

Most writers make negligible or nothing at all. And they actually enjoy writing.

If you're gonna force yourself to work, there are better ways.

I wrote a book and haven't shown a single soul. Took three months of writing like a madman dawn to dusk.

Where do these guys sell their ebooks? On amazon? Would amazon sell niche erotica from a no name writer?

>>1179150

research it and tell us. bc i'd like to know as well but i'm too lazy to research it.

i wonder if writing might just be one of the more viable ways to build up passive income by selling digital products.

some thoughts:
it might not be entirely unthinkable to hire a ghostwriter, and ofc hire a cover artist. then you can literally invest all of your time into marketing and promotion (though i wouldn't even know where to start with that and what that even means).

>>1178636
Needn't be fiction. Guidebooks are big.

>>1179150
You don't get it. It costs them almost nothing to host and list, and they get a cut of each sale.

Why would they bother looking for the golden handshake or a character reference from the local vicar? What sells, sells. They're willing to "risk" a few kilobytes of dud data.

>>1179103
>And they actually enjoy writing.
As you probably know very well, artistic integrity is not conducive to profit.

>>1179224

how do i get into this without expertise on specific subject matter?

/lit/ had a great thread on this topic before the split with /his/

Someone had a nice little bit of income from writing leprechaun porn. The mythical creature porn niche is a lucrative one apparently. I think a few hundred per 10 page story or something in that region.

>>1178622
How does /biz/ feel about outsourcing the tedious parts of th ebook development phase?

Writing, editing, possibly marketing and general art of the book.

Obviously I'll need to have the concept, key ideas and a general outline for what I do.

Although, general sketches I can do for my self, but fine lining and shading takes for fucking ever.

>>1179605
Is there a decent market follow for short stories/guide books?

>>1179357
I'm as much a novice as you are, but it could just be a guide to avoiding TSA drama, a tl;dr summary of a certain topic ("What's the deal with X?",) or an everyday "lifehack."
Things you wouldn't ordinarily look for in paper books, but which you might spend a buck on for an instant ebook. Ebooks can be trivial, lurid, and ridiculous in ways paper books can't, and still turn a profit.

In the last year,
I have bought -
Ebooks from John Barban, along with his 'program' which is mostly ebooks anyway.
= $70
Ebooks from Roosh (PUA/Game Theory)
=$40 (package deal, $70 individual)

No regrets.
Got what I wanted.
Know little about actual authors, read no reviews.
Most books less than 100 pages.
Not an issue for me.

Now, imagine that times a thousand, per year.

>>1179175
You're on the money pal. What the big boys do is exactly that. Outsource ghostwriters, and pick niche topics to dominate instead of already saturated markets. Usually all done through Amazon though i'm not sure how it's fairing right now since the payment change to pages read vs bought or something along those lines.

>>1179257
>As you probably know very well, artistic integrity is not conducive to profit.

It's conducive to not hating your job. Like if I had to be a tard wrangler or some bleeding heart who loved "extra-special" kids were to be a tard wrangler, which one of us would least want to kill ourselves at the end of the day?

If you're gonna force yourself to do work that you wouldn't be willing to do for free, at least pursue something profitable.

>>1180231

Lol pick up artist

>>1180313
Roosh is PUA, yes.
But 80% less bullshit, which is what I wanted.

John Barban, I forgot to mention, is Adonis Index, a fitness or body sculpting program.

The result of both?

I am probably richer, fitter looking, and more attractive to women than you.

I also based some products off of those, so there's a lesson there.

When you get to the point where you can quickly absorb his stuff, then resell or leverage stuff like this via my network, or create my own, everything I study becomes an asset.

Good luck making an income stream from a college course or a trade without teaching what you learned.

>>1180313
The people who snigger about pickup artists always have so many girlfriends.
Kind of like how people who complain about materialism are always so rich.
Life sure is weird!

>>1181454
>snigger