What's the verdict on him as a businessman? What's

>>1134672
He obviously did something right considering he's a billionaire

>inb4 butthurt libs with the million dollar loan meme

Turning a million dollars into a billion dollars is like turning a thousand dollars into a million dollars. If it's so easy why haven't you done it?

>>1134696

http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/

>>1134672
>small loan of a million dollars
>would've made more money by putting his cash into an S&P 500 index fund and sitting on his ass
Truly a gifted businessman.

>>1134696
Its nothing alike, he had $1,000,000 of starting capital, which you can do a lot more with than just $1,000. Duh.

>>1134711
>would have made more money had he predicted that s&p would have been bear for 7 years straight
hehheh

>>1134727
If your average shitposter was given a million dollars they'd spend it all on anime toys and porn.

>>1134709
t. vanguard shill

Trump is very good at:
Negotiation
Getting along with people (the debates are an anomaly, people in his world find him to be very charming)
Marketing and Branding
Surrounding himself with smart people

Trump is not so good at:
Real estate development (iffy record)
Diversification (didn't invest in stocks until recently)
Managing the day to day of a business (once he gets the branding win and gets bored, his companies sometimes go to shit)


Overall I think he'd be a fine President if he gets the right people in his cabinet and as his advisors.

>>1134711
>not knowing the difference between an investor vs. a businessman
>not considering that the S&P500 is a floating index of the top 500 companies in the US, thus a more fair comparison would be to compare his gains to the original 500 companies when he first started
>comparing a private business (Trump Organization) to companies that have access to the public capital raising

Must be fun to go on 18+ image boards and act like an adult

>>1134711
>complete disregard the billions he spent
>completely ignore intangibles like fame
>S&P didnt take off till the mid 90s.

Trump has a brother, who also inherited money. He blew it all on booze and drugs and died drunk driving. You know how easy it is for your average person to be a degenerate? It's a thousand times easier for someone who has it all. Lots of people have a million dollars. Very few turn it into a billion. This isnst the hero America deserves. He's the hero we need.

He got a good spawn and played all his cards safely and agressivly. Hes a good businessman, but i have more respect for the turbojews whether they win or lose, such as william walker.

He's a meme.

He won't become president and /pol/ cry just like with mitt romney

>>1134672
Make America Great Again

>>1134730
>If your average shitposter was given a million dollars they'd spend it all on anime toys and porn.
Not being your average idiot doesn't somehow make you a good businessman. This is a really poor argument.

>>1134811
>We should like Trump because he's rich and didn't turn "degenerate".

Literally what the fuck does that mean? Trump could host orgies at his penthouse suite every other night and you wouldn't know.

>>1134811
>The hero we need

You know he's a businessman just saying what gullible idiots want him to say, right?

He's regularly contradicted things he's said previously and will without a doubt go back on his major promises.

>"Well... I've talked to my people and maybe we don't need a wall after all"

>>1134873
>>1134884
>Option A: businessman who's stated goal is to, "Make America Great Again," but has changed his stance on abortion after seeing close family friends raise and love a child that survived an abortion

>Option B: felon who i literally responsible for the creation of ISIS and the deaths of American citizens and the rape of thousands of middle eastern girls, who's stated goals are to increase immigration and give black lives matter whatever they demand.

>Option C: a communist

Really hard choice here, guys

>>1134672
Trump is to business as Dr. Oz is to medicine.

>>1134709

I'd like to see someone get famous, become a world famous name and be the frontrunner to be US President by investing in index funds.

He's a good business man but not a great one.

/thread

>>1134909
>Make America Great Again

He has just repeated that over and over and over. He never explains HOW, he just says funny memes 14 year olds on /pol/ laugh about and insults people in debates.

>>1134923
Who cares. It's the sentimeny that matters. He's the only candidate running on American exceptionalism. Who are you voting for

>>1134923
You have to go back

>>1134929
>Sentiment

So saying what people want to hear and just playing off that is a good president?

He doesn't have any ideas beyond ebin /pol/ memays, or at least he seems to never discuss them.

At least Bernie, being the communist he is, can actually explain his opinions not just say "MAKE AMERIGA GREAT AGAIN. WE'RE GONNA BUILD A HUGE WALL TO BLOCK THE MEANIES AND THRN KILL ALL TERRORISTS"

>>1134709
why isnt every boomer a billionaire?

>>1134941
Bullshit. All Bernie Sanders ever says is "the rich will pay for it." The President is a figurehead who sets the mood of the country. We dont need a President with a million shitty ideas he wastes all our time and money on

>>1134909
>Option A: reality tv show host whose colossal business investment failures reveal he's nothing more than a brand merchant who got lucky with a rich daddy

>Option B: former US Senator and Secretary of State with sensible centrist policies that will build on the progress of the last 8 years

>Option C: honest US Senator with a consistent record of progressive policies and helping the American working class

See how easy it is? I'm not even a fan of anyone running but your strawman post is so retarded I couldn't help myself

>>1134955
Rich people will pay for it = Make America Great Again

Don't you see the irony?

>>1134961
No it isnt. If Bernie gets his way, the country goes commie. If Trump gets his way, we become great again.

>>1134961
but i want a job and property

>>1134956
The second two options still sound like shit
>progress of the last 8 years
Lol
>progressive policies
Dropped

>>1134968
The point was it's just empty slogans not backed by anything.

He's just trying retarded /pol/cucks because he knows it gives him free publicity due to their NEETways spamming Trumpshit everywhere.

Oh man the tears will be glorious when he loses

>>1134974
>empty slogans
You think Bernie doesnt actually want to steal rich people's money?

>>1134978
Yes but the point is it won't work for obvious reasons.

Just like... Wait for it... Trump's bullshit

>>1134733
This is a good description.

A lot of his wealth is in minority ownership of buildings that he paid $0 for. Chinese and Japanese investors have gotten him to join on developments, using him as a facilitator in the process.

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>>1134711
Not even a trump supporter.
but
he could never have touched the money.
If there was even one billionaire with it all in US index funds he would have been picked clean in no time through fees.
also comparing money at the peaks and not the troughs is foolish.

He could never have run for president. b/c he wouldn't be famous.
He couldn't have paid his father back the money.

>>1134733
I'm not sure someone made a good argument today about his pockets being spread around the globe. making him a risky international bet.

Trump Hotel in Turkey for example. Very close to Syria. Russians give terrorists plans. WW3 in no time.

>>1134956
brand merchants don't become billionaires.

>>1134981
So Bernie does want to steal from the rich, but it wont work. And Trump doesn't want to Make America Great Again. But the two are exactly the same. Thinking is not your strong suit, is it?

>>1134993
>He does not understand that I am saying that both of them just say what their target audience want to hear without backing it up

Why does Trump literally never talk about any of his policies in debates? He always avoids every question and makes it a third grade tier conversation
>Ur dumb and ur mom is fat, Jeb

>>1134995
Because its boring as shit to drag on about policies. Nobody wants to hear that shit when you can see it on his website. Notice he has won every debate by huge margins? I dont think he needs your debate advice, buddy

>Politicians change their views and say whatever they want to get elected
>Not Trump! He ain't no stinking politician! He's had a complete and utter change in heart, which is why he no longer believes anything he did just a few years ago!

I don't get it. I really don't. I understand Trump has a presence nobody else does, but how do his supporters blatantly excuse him for the same shit they supposedly hate about the "establishment"?

>>1134672
Trump SoHo was a fucking awesome experience, so r8 Trump as a businessman 8/8

>>1134997
It's not a debate if you don't even discuss issues.

>>1135007
Says you. Debates are like PR battles. The issue that polls as by far and away the most important to voters is who "looks the most presidential."

>>1135000
Because they're hypocrites.

Welcome to /pol/.

>Trump did the same thing Bernie did
>b-b-but this time it's different guys... He really does want to make it g-great again...

>/pol/ hates Muslims
>Literally supports their traditions more or less

>Unemployed virgin
>Still talks about how he's Aryan masterrscd because some white people a century ago made a lot of discoveries

>>1134727
its still a thousandfold return.

>>1134696
He started with a million dollar loan. Then he inherited $1.9b from his father Fred.

The fact that he's only worth $2b-$4.1b, depending on who's accounting, when he could have thrown it an S&P index fund and raked in $13b should tell you something about his "business" acumen.

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>>1134929
>He's the only candidate running on American exceptionalism.
Except he's not. He's running on the false sense that somehow, America isn't the only true global superpower. "Make America Great Again" implies that we're no longer great.

And sentimentality (you illiterate ned,) means exactly jack and shit when it comes to international politics. "Muh feelz" don't work when it's opposed by "muh economy" or "muh nukes."

>>1134696
>Turning a million dollars into a billion dollars is like turning a thousand dollars into a million dollars.

Tell me where I can fucking buy and develop real estate in America for $1000.

>>1135029
If you think America is great right now, you werent old enough in the 90s or early 2000s to recognize it. Anyone who was will agree with me.

>>1135033
>He's that old yet still comes to 4chan and goes on /pol/

Pretty sad desu. I hope you're lying

>>1135038
I'll let you in on a secret, kid: nobody ever "grows up." Some people just become douches because they repress the things they enjoyed as a child.

>>1135032
Detroit

>>1135014
>Literally supports their traditions more or less
im not sure /pol/ is pro-"burn all infidels", but with a little help i think we can get them there

Shit businessman, even more shit politically. But it's interesting to observe his followers. The amount of double thinking you have to do to tell yourself he's an honest guy is incredible. They support him making his ties in China yet also say that he's gonna support American business because he said so

>>1135176
>China bad. America good. Do business in China make bad man
I would imagine the caveman in your brain is blinded by the dim lightbulbs flickering on and off

>>1134942
because they had shitty gen x kids that sucked up all their money
most boomers weren't already millionaires at drumpfs age
but most millionaires today are boomers
so they probably did get the same gains as donald trump or better but they only had $20000 starting instead of $1000000 like trump had.

>>1135186
>drumpf
haha this forced meme by John Oliver is totally going to ruin his campaign! aaay

So how much money would Trump have had to earn to meet naysayers' arbitrary requirements? 10B? 12B? 20B? 100B?

what is the cutoff

>>1135193
>Implying trump isn't getting fucked by hillary

Lmao@u

>>1135199
don't care, still putting him on my ballot

Liberals are so buttblasted and desperate to try to stump him they are talking about steaks. It's hilarious. I've never seen the entire liberal media this desperate

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-09/when-trump-steaks-at-a-trump-event-aren-t-really-trump-steaks

>>1135014

>Literally supports their traditions more

I don't remember civilized nations having a tradition out of stoning people or cutting of female genitalia or fucking little boys and girls.

>>1134871
It's very easy to be an armchair businessman. I don't buy it.

>>1135013
>debates are like PR battles
We idiocracy now.

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>>1135225
They agree with their beliefs of forcing women to wear burkas, killing people they disagree with(Jews and "Degenerates") and more

>>1135246
I don't see what your point is. Being smarter than the majority of the population means literally nothing. Half the population by definition has an IQ less than 100, m8.

>>1135199
>implying he is
o i am laffin

>>1135278

Except that they hate the burka and only a minority of edge lords and stormfags call for genocide.

Literally there is very little linking them. And even the things you can find are quite general.

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>I support Donald Trump

>>1135426


Nice argument. But you do know all Bernie supporters are weedheads and all Hillary supporters are welfare leaches.

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>>1135436
>>>1135426 (You)
>Nice argument. But you do know all Bernie supporters are weedheads and all Hillary supporters are welfare leaches.

>>1135438

When one doesn't even go for a person but for his supporters, let alone his arguments you know you are dealing with severe butthurt.

>>1135423
>only a minority of edge lords and stormfags advocate genocide

Reeks of horseshit, the entire ideology of /pol/ revolves around The Turner diaries

>>1134696
Except that's completely fucking incorrect

>>1134696
>calling us liberals for not supporting Trump

No mate, you are a liberal for supporting Trump. Trump is a liberal on literally every single issue aside from immigration and gun control.

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>>1135458
>>>1135438 (You)
>When one doesn't even go for a person but for his supporters, let alone his arguments you know you are dealing with severe butthurt.

Isn't that literally what /pol/ does?

>>1134992
How do you get picked clean by 0.07% TER?

>>1134696
Workcel cope.

>>1135436
And Donald Trump supporters are wagecuck or entrepeneur-self-slaves thinking they can make it big due muh hard work.

>>1134997
>>1135013
You're literally praising Trump's dumbing down of society. Trump supporters are the biggest cucks to live and they take pride in it

>>1134672
he's a shit businessman who inherited everything from his dad and underperformed the S&P 500 massively

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>I support Donald Trump, he's a real businessman!

>>1135033
I'm 35, an American born in South Korea. I've been in the USAF since I was 17, first as an enlistedman and then as an officer. I've been stationed in, TDY to, or deployed to England, France, Germany, Greece, Crete, Israel, Egypt, Qatar, Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Japan, and Australia. I've visited Canada, Poland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and Lithuania. With the exceptions of Russia and China, I've been to every country on earth that could conceivably be considered a peer to the US, and there's not a one that is better than we are.

All that said, were the 90's better? Yep. Would Trump and his "plans" bring us back to the 90's? Nope. Bush Classic raised taxes. Clinton raised taxes, cut the military to the bone, instituted more social programs and directed growth. Would Trump do any of that?

>>1136841
Our monopoly on arms has no reason to exist atm, even thougg our arms industry used to make us more money than the entire net gdp of africa. Were researching electromagnetic railguns and anti ircraft lasors in a desperate attempt to start ww3 and get that market share back.

>>1135022
fred's inheritance was split 5 ways i think

how come donalds other siblings aren't billionaires?

>>1136793

>its the s&p meme again

>>1136841
I said "great," not better than a bunch of shitholes.

Trump will raise taxes, targeting hedge funds and the top bracket, while dropping the lowest bracket to 0% for an overall gain in revenue. Have any of you actually researched his positions? A lot of them are near identical to Bill Clinton, minus the gun grabbing and investment bank dick sucking

>>1136841
Australia and Norway aren't better? I'm suspicious of this post. Tell me what makes USA better than those two countries, at a purely subjective level of course I'm not gunna ball bust you

>>1136917
How the hell could they be better? Have you ever visited a cities metro?

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he is a real life krusty the clown he'll sign off his name in to anything that will profit.

he'll done speeches for pyramid scheme companies and done a bunch of illegal shit including dealings with the mafia.

las Vegas didn't trust em enough to give em a casino license cus he shown time and again how reckless he is when it comes to money.

he is gone bankrupt many times and despite what trump tards wants to re sell his snake oil about corporate bankrupt that's a lie he personally has been billions in the hole and rescued several times by bankers and special interest.

the only thing worthy about trump was his name and his image and now not even that is worth a shit.

a fucking idiot like zukerberg is worth 10x more by developing a dot com site that he copied from my space.

trump is no genius he inherited most of his accomplishments including his connections.

> inb4.why you not billionaire

I have no one willing to lend me, invest and bail me out.

once you acquire certain amount of wealth is easier to build it that loose it

http://fortune.com/2016/03/07/trump-tower-chinese-visas/

>>1135022
He inherited 40 million when his father died. Even if he had inherited all 200 million of his dads dollars when he was 20 and put them on the s&p 500 hed be worth 8.5 billion by now. Your numbers are off even when making retarted huffington post tier assumptions

>>1137052
Hi Ted

>>1137064
Well?

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>>1137061
I want trump to be the republican nominee I get nervous when people say Cruz is making a comeback or something.

if only Sanders could win on democrats it would be a shoe in the Whitehouse.

>>1136793
Fuck S&P 500 he didn't invest all his money in bitcoins which makes him a complete failure

>>1137082
/thread

>people a risky actually think he's a billionaire
Let me guess, you also think he's actually said funding his campaign.

>>1137482
ESL: The Post

>>1136589
these fees go up with account size. and they weren't that low in the 70's. That's just an advent of modern computing which began in the late 90's

>>1134730
Unless they're using it to manufacture them, I doubt it's even possible to spend that much on toys.

>>1137052
Nevada licensed him as a casino operator. He just has never opened up an actual casino because he basically owns Atlantic City gambling.

>>1136841
canada, australia, switwerland, denmark, norway have better infrastructure higher quality of life comparable cost of life less pollution etc...

Yes the USA has a bigger economy but GDP only goes so far...

>>1134730
>vanguard shill

So, are you saying you can outperform Vanguard. Bless us with your wisdom then.

Dare I remind you even WB recommends index funds?

>muh S&P
Fuck off. This is like somebody is a terrible businessman if he didn't invest in google back in 1997.

Is there some kind of list that shows how rich Donald has gotten compared to other millionaires of his time ?
For example, now he is the 150th richest person in America. Which was his place back in 1975 ? If anything, it would be a great way to see if he is actually successful.
If he was number 500th back then, then he is a successful businessman.
If he was number 100th back then, then he is not very successful.

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>>1135167
That's actually not accurate. You have to remember while you can buy the house for the price of a VCR you still have to pay the back-taxes on it which easily can set you back 100,000+ which is the real reason no one is buying those properties.

>>1136571
Go vote for the rat faced beaner, the war criminal or the old socialist, nobody cares cry baby.

>>1138242
k have fun voting for the false flag kike

>>1137770
It's not like that at all.
Investing in single companies is a skill that admittedly only gauges your ability to a good trader. However index fund investing isn't about luck or foresight, it's literally just the average of every major company.

And, no, no one historically kept track of the top X richest people every year, even if they did it's guess work at best since people who aren't the top 10 will never release their worth so they lie about it ( e.g. Trump). Regardless just tracking spots doesn't measure performance either because some people just inherited a huge gain that doubled their worth over night (e.g. Trump again) whereas others literally clawed their way to the top with no help at all (e.g. not Trump).

>>1138268
>no one keeps track of the richest people
Ever heard of this publication called "Forbes"?

It's easy to forget this became the Reddit containment board until these threads show up. Might as well sign up for janitor to abuse my privilege a bit and get rid of half you cucks.

>Voting socialist on a Capitalism board.
Go back to /g/.

>>1134923
Out of all the GOP candidates Trump's the only one who released a firm tax code and health care plan.

>>1138669
i need that shit you smoking

>>1136841
>Bush Classic

I lel'd.

>>1135022
So fucking wrong, do reasearch nub

>>1135186
>because they had shitty gen x kids that sucked up all their money
But you shills say that most people can do as well or better than Trump. That means a 1,000,000% return. So as long as the boomer had $1000 in an index fund, he'd have $10 million.

>they only had $20k
That's very resonable to assume, back then certainly (when you could easily buy a house on one salary). $20k would turn into $200 million with Trump's rate of return (1,000,000%). Why do millenials have student loans if their grandparents all sit on 1/5 of a billion dollars? They couldn't share a million to give their heirs a work-free life?

>>1135193
I'd say Leibowitz was behind it, but it's so toothless it might actually be John Oliver (if, for a second, we ignore that they have a full room of people writing "material").

>>1135207
Yeah, that is pretty funny.

>Guy runs hundreds of companies/own hundreds of separate huge buildings and resorts
>>B-But muh steaks!!
Even better, is that it's only the complete failures like Rmoney, who couldn't even win a locked down election against a failed lame duck democrat, that says this stuff. They're really pulling out all the stops here.

>>1136793
>muh S&P 500
Why aren't your grandparents billionaires? Buffet could do it easily, but he's an investing genius. Your grandparents should've been able to save ~$100k on their own, and invested that into an index fund. After that, you just sit and bam, there you go, a billion dollars.

Why aren't you retired for life, anyway? You could've mined bitcoins for a few months back when you could GPU mine, and you would've been a millionaire when it hit its highest level (even now, at the current price). Why aren't you a multi-millionaire? All you had to do was run a program on your PC a few years ago.

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>>1138669
sawse