Is the actual purpose of a degree to get you into a job which

What you are doing on the computer, designing things with autocad is considered "specialized".

This earns you more money.

Doing heavy lifting, or manual labor is considered "unskilled" labor.

This earns less.

You're not lucky, you just decided to pick up a skill that is payable.

>>1087309
welcome to the real world

>work in a restaurant all through college
>graduate, get a job as an analyst
>finish all my work in a few hours each day
>spend the rest of my time taking 20 minutes to get coffee, browsing the internet, IMing coworker friends

pretty sweet

A degree serves one and only one purpose, which is to give you credibility on paper. Whether it be a business card, resume, or ad, it only tells people that you have a formal education in a subject.

A formal education is mandatory for wage cucking. For a self employed person, it just makes you look more professional.

90% of jobs that require a college degree could be learned with just three to six months of on the job training.

>>1087339

Painfully true

>>1087354
>>1087339
thinking about all the hussle I went through to recieve the degree and then realising that I need almost nothing of it really hurts

>>1087309
How hard was it to find a job with your degree? I got accepted for a mechanical engineering major program this fall and I'm pretty hyped.

>>1087388
it was one of my first applicatians I sent. waited 2 months before they invited me for an interview and another month later they hired me

>>1087309
I work as a Construction manager after getting my degree in construction management.

I work 60+ hour weeks at $35 an hour, this includes all Saturdays. Fucking. KILL. ME.

You are quite lucky, I wish I went the engineering route. At least 1/4 of my degree was engineering including civil and mechanical. I made a mistake not going down that route but I was lured by the prospects of 200-300k salaries.

>>1087309
nope, real world

shit rolls downhill

>>1087339
>90% of jobs that require a college degree could be learned with just three to six months of on the job training.

This is so true man but I would say in most cases within 1-2 years on a job. 3-6 would be for any none directly applied degree.

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>>1087388
Engineering=jobs, my friend. Your education may not be as easy as most but your degree is in high demand

>>1087309
i couldn't get any job with mechanical engineering after i graduated. where are you that you got such a high pay and so many days off?

>>1087477
What country are you in?

>>1087481
US in the chicago metro area.

i'm not the only one that had difficulty finding a job either. in fact, i didn't find one and i'm currently in grad school.

>>1087486
Move to Australia. I have clients who are literally resorting to hiring Indians in order to fill their entry positions.

>>1087486
I'm from Chicago but the wages for engineering (and computer science) are painfully depressed. I moved South until I have enough experience to negotiate a solid mid level developer position at some financial firm.

>>1087309
I don't know if lazy is the right word, more like comfortable. But you're pretty much right of course, who could argue?

Right now I dig ditches for a living because my family couldn't afford to keep paying for my college, really humbles you especially when you see guys who've been doing this shit for 20+ years.

>>1087689
>Right now I dig ditches for a living because my family couldn't afford to keep paying for my college, really humbles you especially when you see guys who've been doing this shit for 20+ years.

Why pay someone $10/hour to do this for 10 hours a day when you can just rent a machine to dig a ditch in 15 minutes?

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>>1087309
>90k/per year + summer and winter bonus + 35 days off
god damn I hate coming to /biz/ and reading shit like this, I get so god damn envious. A bachelor's in the U.S. is suppose to get you 50k-ish a year and I can't even get that with mine.

If this is real please cherish what you have OP, don't fucking think this is "how it should be for everyone why doesn't everyone just get an easy job after college lol!" or some other stupid shit like that.

How long will it be before the engineer becomes an overseer of Indian-performed work? This gravy train can't last I'm sure.

>>1087946
Unlike shitty apps and websites, people die if an engineer's work breaks. It can't be outsourced to a third world country because of liability issues.

>>1087691
How do you know he isn't using a machine to dig ditches?

>>1087691
Bingo>>>1087961

Still get payed 10$ hour 10 hr/day so you hit the nail on the head there

>>1087935
>this is "how it should be for everyone why doesn't everyone just get an easy job after college lol!"
literally how republicans are made

>>1088075
FUCK OFF LIBERAL RETARDS

THIS IS FUCKING /BIZ/

I swear to christ there's been a dramatic increase in liberal ideology on this board in the last few months

I want reddit to leave

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>>1088171
>>>/pol/
You probably too ignorant to know this but there's such a thing as "liberal elite" and there's plenty of liberals on the billionaires list (thanks to new money tech, entertainment and jewish banking).
There's a reason why poor idiots are voting for donald trump and most wealthy successful people are voting for hillary.
Any republican that's wealthy either inherited it or is just trash with cash, funnily enough donald trump is both.

>>1088171
reee
>>1087309
you are lucky, but in a couple of years you might be on your ass. work on work while you're there, either the present or the future, and you'll do well.

>>1087948
You're funny. Hiring Indian engineering firms literally happens all the time. Or they in-source.

>>1088177
>most wealthy successful people are voting for hillary.
This isn't even true. Not even slightly. The wealthiest people in the country are by far more likely to vote Republican. Google it if you don't believe me.

>>1087948

You fucking retard, apps and websites that have problems (from shitty Indian devs) can cost companies millions of dollars. That's more important to companies than lives

>>1087309
>Is the actual purpose of a degree to get you into a job which allows being lazy but well payed ?
If you do engineering, medicine, or law, yes.
Basically these professions are self-governing in that they set the standard for admissions and competence themselves, much like guilds of ye olde. Naturally they limit intakes to prop up their earnings and keep the job chill as fuck, sort of like a union.

>>1089766
There's point arguing with that anon. People like him don't care about facts. Their view of reality is based on "common sense" (i.e. fantasy).

>>1087309
>Am I just really lucky

Yes, some of us still can't find jobs and the entry level ones tell us we are too experienced

>>1089797
Out of the three medicine is the shittiest job by far.

Yes, a degree is the gateway to an easy middle class life with little responsibilities and very little fulfillment. Well you need to get a job first but once you finally get one you pretty much get to do 3-4 hours of work on an average day.

>>1087691
Machines are used for 90% of the work. If you know there are utilities lines or foundations in the ground you have to dig by hand until you locate them. Tight spaces are another issue. The smallest excavator I have seen can fit through a 4ft gap.

Dug ditches in the past for $10/hr. I have a comfy-ish job now. I miss digging ditches, getting tan, checking out hot rich chicks, and being fit.

>>1087309
>graduate from uni with bs in math
>3.8 gpa
>worthless degree, cant find white collar work
>desperate for ANY job
>work 50 hours a week manual labor in a factory
>$35k/yr

>enrolling in accounting masters program this fall
>cant wait to "work" 40 hours a week for $50k/yr

>>1087309
You think people are working their asses off for 4 years with the hopes of working their asses off even more for 40~ more years?

>>1091181
You dont even use 99% of the shit you learn in school. But when you're in school you're forced to learn enough to material to prepare you for about 100 different positions. It's pretty absurd but the only way to weed out stupid people.

Spent 2 years getting a lowertier degree started out at 35k a year now after 5 years in the business im lifting 50K.

Days are fulfilling and challangeing, get in at 9AM leave at 5PM, somedays i work over for 2-3 hours somedays I leave early at like 2. lifes freaking great anons.

Get a goddamn degree.

> busted ass getting degree and internships
> land first job after graduating
> literally spend the days watching movies and being on 4chan
> been working 6 months and have 10grand saved and sitting
> got my health benefits the other day

Being an adult is easy as fuck

>>1087309
Kek, CAD jobs are rad.

Desiger, pro e, 2 years of school, 65k

>>1087309
90k where I live is considered low-middle class tier and you can just barely get by on that kind of salary.

>>1091316
Where the hell do you live?

>>1091292
Fuck

>>1091319
Not him but I would guess NYC.

>>1091292
what did you study?

>>1089766
No, That's just liberal bullshit that they tell the lower class to trick them into thinking they're on their side.

>>1091121
Sounds like you're a victim of your own poor decisions.

>>1091170
Switch majors to engineering, there's actually a need for them.

>>1091372
>engineering meme

why don't you look up the projected job growth for engineers on the bureau of labor statistics.

i'll give you a preview of what you'll find: accountants and auditors have a higher job growth than all fields of engineering except biomed and environmental engineering, both of which are terrible engineering fields where it's impossible to get jobs unless you have a masters or phd.

i imagine that with a CPA (which i will have) the opportunities, both absolutely and comparatively with respect to engineering, are even greater.

>>1091372
>>1091381
also
>switch majors

i already finished my bachelors. how am i going to switch majors, and why would i fall for the STEM meme a second time?

>study hard, autistic bullshit
>don't get a job
>he fell for the STEM meme!

nah. i'll take ezmode accounting classes and study for my CPA. this will most likely get me a $55k/yr public accounting job. after 5 years ill be lockstep promoted to manager at $85-100k/yr depending on my city. then maybe i'll jump to industry as an assistant controller or controller for $100-120k/yr. or maybe ill stay in public accounting and try to reach partner, or maybe ill switch to something different like FP&A, financial reporting, or maybe get a top MBA and break into consulting/corporate strategy/etc.

>>1091381
I meant in terms of salary, most accountants make 50k/year. Engineers make bank from what I understand. Though I wouldn't know first hand.

>>1091392
$50k/yr starting, sure. the accountants who make $50k/yr 30 years into their career are lazy shits. kpmg, one of the 4 largest public accounting firms in the world, did a study on their alumni.

>Working with HR consulting firm Towers Watson, we sent
a survey invitation to approximately 10,000 members
of KPMG’s alumni network who started with the firm as
career-entry hires and then left the firm at various stages
of their careers since 1993. The survey received more than
2,000 responses, including hundreds of alumni from Audit, Tax,
and Advisory. The great response we received from our
alumni makes the margin of error for our results very small
at +/- 2 percent.

tl;dr:

leave as senior (3 years experience in big 4): $150k/yr average comp mid-career
leave as manager (5 years experience in big 4): $180k/yr comp mid-career
leave as sr manager (7-8 years experience, varies): $210k/yr comp mid-career

source: http://kpmgcampus.com/news/AlumniStudy.pdf

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>>1087935
>A bachelor's in the U.S. is suppose to get you 50k-ish a year

stop being entitled.. the world ows you nothing.

>>1091170
Mfw wanted to major in applied mathematics.

So I'm fucked?

>>1087935
tell us what retarded liberal arts degree you got

>>1091354
I live in NYC and make 60k + OT a year. I get by just fine. Obviously not swimming in money, but I put away 1.5k a month into savings, about $600 into my retirement.

I'm not fucking retarded with money, and I have no debts to pay off.

This faggot >>1091316 probably grew up in a 300k+ salary family and considers that middle class.

>>1087309
Friend joined the marines with 1.7gpa after HS. Got deployed to Japan and lived off of the benefits and tax free groceries, saved 30k. Now he gets paid $1500/mo just to go to school.
>military

>>1089797
>medicine
>allows you to be lazy

Lmao holy shit you could not be more wrong

>>1089797
Hahahahahaha this cuck thinks medicine is lazy work.

>>1092437
>>1092453

I heard pharmacists have pretty chill jobs too.

Is that not the case?

>>1087309
Sometimes, my roommate is engineer who works his ass off and probably deserves more money. I day trade and make more than him weekly with no education. I grew up with a father who taught me though which is better than any education. Education is much more work than just doing and succeeding but if you didn't grow up being taught than an education is great.

I wouldn't come to /biz/ for advice though, I don't think I've ever seen good advice given here.

>>1092422
Not just that but he will be chosen for jobs over most average people. Ex military is the best hiring bracket because they respect authority and work hard. My brother is a veteran with a financing degree and was pretty much flooded with job offers. Pretty sure employers get a tax break for hiring military and veterans.

>>1092437
>>1092453
GPs have the chillest job going. Getting to that stage is only lots of work because of the aforementioned medical union admissions hazing process.

Basically OP is right.

>Bachelor of Pol Sci
>Job in federal government
>Long lunches, morning teas every week
>When I do something, spend a number of days doing something that could be done in 1 hour.
>Make 62k plus 15% retirement
>Goes up to 71k in 10 months

Seriously, it is the life

My Grandpa does this. He's a Manager and creates budgets for new construction projects (works for a company that builds facilities for Merck).. Literally only spends a few hours a day looking for better prices on supplies and updates Excel spreadsheets. Spends the rest on eBay buying stupid shit with his $200K/year salary. He retired and "only" gets $60K/year in SSI and complains he's so poor now.

I made a theorem about that, the more you work hard on studies, the less you have to put efforts on your work

>>1092359

Engineering is kind of like applied mathematics.

In the sense that it often involves the application of mathematics.

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>>1088177
>Rich white people are the problem
>down with Capitalism

>show it to the man!

>oppressed minorities can't make it
>only rich people vote Republican
>truly enlightened socialists vote Democrat, the democratic social people's party

YES!!! YEEEES! TOP GOY!

>>1091392

Accounting is also a fairly easy target for automation.

>>1088177
>There's a reason why poor idiots are voting for donald trump and most wealthy successful people are voting for hillary.

>Voting for literal "I AM A WOMAN, SEE? I AM A WOMAN WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING FOR ME"

Wasn't she against Gay marriage not too recently btw? Now she's making "cutesy" facebook posts in support of gay marriage and how much she cares about all of G*d's wonderful creatures.

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>>1087935

>company falls for the big data meme
>hires me as a data analyst at $80k/yr
>no one asks for anything
>f5 4chan for 9 hours a day

its actually pretty boring desu

>>1091409

CPA here. These are outlandish figures just to get you to wagecuck for 90 hours a week at kpmg.

>>1093697
fact remains that you can hit $80-90k/yr as a first year manager in big 4 in a large metro then exit to industry for a 40 hr a week job paying at least as much, but probably 10-20% more.

>>1088171
>>1088171

Exactly my thoughts. Redditors that hate business/ capitalism deep down, yet want a job in business and believe that business owes them a job for getting a peice of paper that has been devalued due to liberal polices and subsidies

>>1091292

I agree.

>Work average income jobs
>save money
>invest
>buy condo
>airbnb extra room
> GI bills pays tuition and 1600 a month income
> i have 24k in cash
> 200k in other net assets

I hear people bitching about how hard it is... I dont get it, personal finance isnt hard. Spend less than you earn and buy assets.

>>1091369
>le objectivism meme

>>1087309
It's the real world and one of the biggest reasons everything is going to shit. We live in a totally backwards society that does not reward real hard work.

Is Tax/fiscal law a good degree to major in ?

>>1093910
it is

it's a good path to a CPA as well

>>1093911
will I get a easy , maybe dull job like those guys are telling or will it be hard ?

>>1093846
There are people with very low impulse control, it fucks them over hard. Having a low IQ is also bad, but it's low impulse control that fucks up everything.

I worked at car paint garage as a summerjob, one guy there was obviously daft. He never bitched about how life was hard or anything, he managed to live a happy life easily. Since he could muster some discipline everything went his way.

Thinking about getting an Associates or advanced cert in Computer Science. Would it be a good idea? Or do I have to get a straight up bachelors?

At ny current job I already earned 3 certs to use heavy lifting machines and cherry pickers, and run 3 departments. I work in retail. I'm technically low-leveled but got trained for these other jobs cause why not.

I'm in the process of getting a Nanoscience degree.
Didn't really put much thought into it aside from not wanting to do Math/Dry Physics and NANOMACHINES.
Reading about engineers getting all the money is kinda making me curious.
What do you guys think about Nanoscience? My university advertises it as growing and paying well, but that's probably just memes. Considering about 15 people graduate per year I don't think the jobs are fought hard over, but only 80 people even starting together with me kinda leaves me worried (Physics got like 160). Any experiences/insights? I'm in my first semester, so it's not a big deal to change degrees.

>>1091237

What degree did you get and what job do you do desu?

>>1087309
Most of the market is ruled by this simply motto: you don't get paid for what you do, but for what you know, speaking from a practical point of view.

In other words, if your knowledge can be applied into a practical purpose, then is worth much more than some other abstract knowledge, and leagues above generic knowledge, or no special skill at all.

So, yes, this is real world for you.

>>1094180

You're being scammed. Run away

>bs in cs
>$150,000 comp last year
>private office
>three week vacation
>do maybe 1 hour of work a day (including checking emails)
>keep getting good performance reviews
>keep getting promotions
>talk shit in meetings and people agree with me

>>1094669
Getting paid for shitposting and raises for sitting on your ass all day? Where

>>1094697
One of the big tech companies.

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>>1094665
>You're being scammed. Run away
Very nice insight m8.

>>1094746

Unless they're going to invent robots to defend the robots from sabotage/vandalism/outright attack/riots, humans are going to stay around purely because we'll all chimp out with no jobs.

>>1093846
I have blown so much money in my life. I just lost my job too. Now I'm doing bullshit to get by and changing my thought process. I'm ready to save and invest. Your post gives me hope.

>>1093846

The hard part is that it's not just an instant fix.

One of my roomies is brilliant but he keeps wasting money and giving in to easy temptation and he's getting no where because of it.

>>1087309

I honestly slack off for about 4 hours/day as an engineer. I get paid about $145k/yr, with all the perks. The thing is nobody cares what you do with your time, they just want results and for you to be there when they do need you. I can't count the number of people who don't work smart and waste time doing things the hard way. I also can't imagine people being stubborn enough to bot work a couple of hours over if it saves the company hundreds of thousands of dollars.

>>1087948
Insource
you mean hire

If you study fish health in Norway you literally get a job placing you in the upper 10th percentile before graduating.
It's called fish health tho, so people think it's lame.
But jokes on them; fish is cool af.

>>1091170
40 hours a week for $50k/yr I'm 20 and I get that as a supermarket department manager without any degree whatsoever. Uni is a waste of time if you know the right people

Oh look, what a surprise. Another board where everyone on 4chan is an early to mid 20s engineer or computer scientist who does basically no work at all and just browses the internet all day, has tons of vacation time, full benefits and makes 6 figures right out of college

Gee you don't say. I am really surprised by this development. Pretty crazy how everyone on this website is just like this.

>>1095973
Damn, you get to work at a supermarket? I'm dropping out as we speak