>Japan population to shrink by one-third by 2060 >http

>>1997177
They should follow EU and let nig and mudslime in.

>>1997177
It doesn't matter. Society still doesn't reward you for having a kid. You're better off without one until you're old enough to afford it and by then you're handcuffed to your job.

>>1997177
A larger population is good because

>>1997177
don't they have too many people?
isn't this a good thing?

>>1997177
for that to work they should try to make characters more like japanese and less like whites because the average basementdweller otaku will commit suicide once he sees the real thing

>>1997181
t. clueless faggot

Not anime.

>>1997177
Doubtful, It's not like the people who are actual otakus are the people the Japanese government wants to breed. Aside from being a relatively small minority, they need their middle class and worker bees to be the ones to have more kids. That won't happen without some major societal and general workplace changes.

>>1997180
>>1997181
You have to be at least 18 to be on 4chan.

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>>1997180
>>1997181
>Economic growth and sustainability 101
I mean Japan either sustains its working population/retirees ratio or it shuts down the social services its proud of.

inb4
>Bu but robots
Robots dont fuel domestic consumption which is the largest market for japanese goods. Even with automation youre going to face a downturn in social services due to lack of tax money
>Bu but the Japan doesnt have the space/world population is too high
Certain parts of Japan dont have the space thanks to poor policies concerning urban/economic/social planning. Also Japan itself is a drop in the bucket if the world is concerned.


But yes, shortage of population doesnt matter if youre willing to axe government policies like free healthcare, elderly care and general services

>>1997177
>predictions
This is stalker tier shitposting.

>Will we get more anime that promotes baby making for otaku to promote more japs?

I hope so, but that won't help solve the problem. Maybe if they did something about their ridiculous work hours, people would actually have time to raise kids.

>>1997177
When robots are going to take over most jobs, why does a low birth rate matter?

>>1997181
Benefits of population growth:
>allows the economy to grow faster and keeps the banks in the loan business
>helps keep the pension system and other welfare pyramid schemes operational
>more soldiers to throw at potential enemies
Downsides of population growth:
>increased consumption of natural resources
>increased pollution
>larger amount of unemployed people to feed when automation eventually takes their jobs
It's a bit of a mixed bag. Personally I think we should just let our population decline to a more sustained level but no one wants to go through the economic decline or give up welfare services. Remains to be seen what the powers that be are going do with the people that will be replaced by automation.

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>>1997177
>population shrinks 1/3 because otakus are waiting for half a dozen or more second/ third seasons
I understand the pain

>2060
Literally who gives a fuck? We'll all be dead at that point.

>>1997177
>Teaching otakus to have sex with their blond big-titted gf
Where does the gf come in and how?

>>1997190
>Remains to be seen what the powers that be are going do with the people that will be replaced by automation.
What if they decide to remove them?

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>>1997189
Because by the time majority of jobs have been taken by automation Japan has already become a second/third world nation thanks to screwed elderly/workers ratio.

>2060
>One Piece is still airing

>>1997194
ps I know she dyes her hair

>>1997189
They can also invite immigrants.

>>1997199
Allowing other asians to work in japanese ghost towns would unironically solve the problem. Too bad pacific is a fuck up

>>1997193
>We'll all be dead at that point.
I'll be 67, daddy, I'll be fine, more or less.

>>1997193
>be sixty in 2060
>you still have 40 years(median) of life ahead of you
Might be even more desu

>>1997199
Like that time they invited 26(?) and two of them got arrested for rape.

Japs aren't reproducing because they're NEET losers but because their work culture is fucking abhorrent

>>1997177
Doesnt make sense because people who will marry and breed dont watch anime

Stop this meme at once

Thanks

>>1997177
They have 2 times the population of France with a country 2 times smaller. That's 4 times the density of France.

They don't need more people but third worlders are the ones who should stop breeding.

>>1997190
>Benefits of population growth:
>>allows the economy to grow faster and keeps the banks in the loan business
Wrong. Actual population growth is bad for the economy. People are stuck spending their money and time on their children and can't invest it in personal advancement. There is a reason why China's economy skyrocketed after they went with the 1-child policy.
>>helps keep the pension system and other welfare pyramid schemes operational
So do robotics and a reformed economic model.
>>more soldiers to throw at potential enemies
That's actually a downside. Societies with larger population growths are more warlike, ie they find themselves in more wars. Meanwhile, we have nuclear weapons which means that you don't really want to be a very warlike country.
>Downsides of population growth:
>>increased consumption of natural resources
You are confusing population size and population growth.
>>increased pollution
Again.
>>larger amount of unemployed people to feed when automation eventually takes their jobs
In general, greater population growth leads to less education leads to less automatization.

>>1997195
Well that's one option but one that wouldn't really garner much public support. But ultimately it's either that, universal basic income or no welfare at all which would lead to mass starvation. Basically it all comes down to just how sustainable it would be to give universal basic income to a hundred million people. If it's not feasible then mass deaths or an economic collapse are inevitable.

>>1997202
You are too optimistic.

>>1997184
Thread should have ended here.
Sage and report.

>>1997186
>>Economic growth and sustainability 101
>I mean Japan either sustains its working population/retirees ratio or it shuts down the social services its proud of.
Because permanent economic growth is always good for your country.

>>1997207
Not that anon but
>Wrong. Actual population growth is bad for the economy. People are stuck spending their money and time on their children and can't invest it in personal advancement. There is a reason why China's economy skyrocketed after they went with the 1-child policy.
China skyrocketed well before one child policy. Rest is baseless speculation about trends which are governed by education, social climate and economic trends.
>So do robotics and a reformed economic model.
Implying Nips will reform their economic model, just look at their business practices. Theyre well beyond prime date plus do you have a good alternative?
>That's actually a downside. Societies with larger population growths are more warlike, ie they find themselves in more wars. Meanwhile, we have nuclear weapons which means that you don't really want to be a very warlike country.
Maybe in 2000 BC
>In general, greater population growth leads to less education leads to less automatization.
Yet western population has grown but is now more educated than ever

Take IMMIGRANTS

Of the BBC kind

>>1997211
Yeah threads about generic shounenshit or "what is better (anime) tits or ass?" are much more interesting.

>>1997212
>economic growth
Not sure where you get that from. Sustaining working population is about sustaining the current level of tax money against the cost of social services. Its about balancing the budget

Government mandated marriages and reproduction when?

>>1997215
This thread is 100% off-topic, fuck off /v/edditor

That estimate will change when Anno releases the next rebuild. Otaku culture as we know it will be btfo

>>1997218
Found perfectly related thread for you br/a/. >>161724429

>>1997217
Will they get designated wife?

>>1997207
>You are confusing population size and population growth.
You're correct, but that's only when comparing different nations(of similar levels of development). If you look at different scenarios for a single nation then higher population growth will lead to a higher population size in that nation.

>>1997215
You must be retarded, go to /jp/ if you want to talk about it.

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>>1997213
>Implying Nips will reform their economic model,
No, I did not imply that. I expect the world economy to simply crash. I have no idea what's going to happen afterwards.
>Maybe in 2000 BC
I am not sure what you are trying to say. Nukes haven't been a serious threat since 4000 years ago?
>Yet western population has grown but is now more educated than ever
Moron.
The population growth of the western world has long since stopped.
>China skyrocketed well before one child policy.
Sorry, I forgot the part where China's growth rate actually dropped before the one child policy was adopted. Thanks for correcting me.

>>1997216
It is only the economic growth model that makes this difficult in the face of ever-advancing technology.

>>1997177

Why do BBC hates Japan so much?

>>1997226
I love BBC in Japanese comic books if you know what I mean.

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>1-2 million otaku and herbivores are ruining the economy!
>meanwhile, 1/3 of the male population choose the traditional life of a salaryman who works 100 hours a week, goes drinking with his boss after work instead of enjoying family life, and spends the night at a capsule hotel because the last train home has already left

>>1997228
>choose

>>1997217
So basically Koi to Uso? It won't work, like at all.

>>1997230
It might work but it would be pretty weird

>>1997228
>male population
Mandatory milking and then fertility treatment for the women. Men can continue with their 100 happy hours.

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>>1997216
social services are inherently unsustainable, the idea that the government should tax everyone to pay for the last generations poor financial decisions is retarded an will always lead to economic collapse without an infinite population model which is also retarded for obvious reasons. infinite population model only benefits the financial elite, it leads to stagnant wages and devaluing of skilled professions as we are seeing today. what better way to create a one world government when everybody is a dirt poor debt slave.

>>1997177
Too much ntr.
Penis enlargement pills in 2030 will resolve this.

>>1997233
>social services are inherently unsustainable, the idea that the government should tax everyone to pay for the last generations poor financial decisions is retarded an will always lead to economic collapse
Do you have any source for that other than your ass?

>>1997177
We will finally get yuri science/magic baby anime.

>>1997235
what do you think social services are retard
the primary users of it are the elderly who can't work

>>1997237
Among others, yes. So what makes them unsustainable?

>>1997200
>>1997199
>>1997214
other Asians are basically like Mexicans to them
they just get over to Japan to get exploited and used as cheap manual laborers
I can't wait for the Olympics 2020 when they'll have to get guest workers to bridge the gap of laborers and expect them to leave afterwards

>>1997177
Finally we get to see cute anime girls getting blacked and other BBC propaganda in animes for population grow.

This is my fetish. I have been living for this day.

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Please transfer this thread to /jp/. We are here to talk about Japanese illustrations not their country.

>>1997241
It doesn't belong on /jp/. It's either /pol/ or /int/.

>>1997177
Don't believe jewish lies, there's enough japanese for the small area they occupy.

>>1997177
The economic effects won't be terrible. There's no reason to keep reproducing exponentially. Japan is crowded as fuck. 120 million people crammed into an area the size of California.

I pray that at worst they only take a few SEA-people who are basically genetic cousins anyway (dat jomon, ryukyu, and ainu blood is all southeast asian).

>>1997244
>>1997244
>Muh crammed state
Its mostly empty desu, like cali itself

>>1997238
Because old people can't work you will always need more young people than old people. Then when they retire you'll need even more. You need infinite population growth to sustain it.

>>161729205
>frogposter

fuck off /pol/
not anime

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The babyboomers bubble will burst everywhere in the next 50 years.
Japan is just ahead of its time.
But yes I do hope we get more anime with cute little daughters.

>>1997248
>/pol/ - economics

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>>1997248
>He thinks /pol/ and /a/ aren't one and the same

>>1997246
>you will always need more young people than old people.
With limited age expectancy you had the adults working from 18 to 65 to feed the ones below 18 and above 65. That worked fine. It worked fine long before countries even made it official politics. In other words: It is not *inherently* unsustainable.
Now that people live longer and have less children and education takes longer you might think things are getting a bit more difficult.
But with advancing technology it is not unreasonable to assume that a singular worker is slightly more efficient than a singular worker used to be, 400 years ago.
That means, there is no reason to assume that those aged 25 to 65 can't feed those under 25 or over 65.
If they can't, then the system needs reform because there's money leaking somewhere.

>>1997249
What?

>>1997249
>50 years

Westerners are obsessed with Japan's birth rates because it distracts them from their own low birth rates.

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They just need white cock

>>1997255
It's just the media and (((((them)))) trying to get japan blacked. No one actually cares

about 15 mil is good for the resources Japan has available. A country does not need endless population growth, definitely not from importing ethnically insoluble peoples. The populations of nations naturally rise and fall, as it should.

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>>1997177
Why arent abes plan working?

>>1997215
False equivalence

smarr asian benis cant get their women pregnant

>>1997259
Economic crisis, and too many years of low population growth that have led to a childless culture.

>>1997177
The population is stagnant or declining in most developed countries at this point. The primordial arrangement of men working themselves to an early grave to provide for women in exchange for sex and homemaking so they could have kids to look after them in old age is dead. Single life has been made very pleasant with technology, modern medicine, abundant entertainment and welfare. Men have household appliances to help with the chores and vast amounts of porn available at any time to deal with their urges while women can make their own money so neither sex is really reliant on the other anymore. We've also seen the decline of societal and religious pressure in this regard as well as lots of changed attitudes as a result of feminism. People are either focusing on themselves or in some cases harboring outright animosity towards the opposite sex. Things will probably sort themselves out when the economy finally collapses but until then this problem isn't going anywhere.

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>>Will we get more anime that promotes baby making for otaku to promote more japs?
>Implying the jap goverment cares about filthy neet otaku reproducing

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>>1997199
Nice try

>muh nihon gubbament
i've seen web series that an author started on the side for shits and giggles being called propaganda simply due to content
some people just like stupid cute love shit

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>>1997177
I was globally banned rule 4 making this exact thread about a year ago. I'm so salty that this hasn't been 404'd.

But I'll impregnate some young japs for a fee. White man semen gonna cost ya.

>>1997257
You mean Bleached.

>>1997263
The beautiful ones have descended.

>>1997267
Even funnier that the frogpost got deleted.

>>1997244
>ainu blood is all southeast asian
Are you retarded?

What's the point of having children when you can have all kinds of kinky sex catering to your specific fetishes for some yen? japan sex offer is big and varied enough that you don't really need to go to all the hassle of having a couple.

>>1997270
Mod/janitor is having fun in his favorite thread and can't be bothered to actually check out reports. He takes a quick glance at them and deletes whatever is immediately obvious about being against the rules, and ignores the rest.

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>>1997177
Yes plase, I love these.
I hope Abe stays as PM forever.

>>1997274
Whew I haven't seen this one

>>1997177
The problem isn't that people don't fuck. The problem is that Jap society is so stuck up they still expect women to quit their jobs after marriage. With that toxic work culture of them, people are not gonna chase happiness.

>>1997272

Children will usually take care of you in some way when you're older and might even make it big, giving you a life of luxury you've never known. Raising children is also rewarding in a way that's hard to describe

Nice anime thread.

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>>1997276
>toxic

>>1997252
>It worked fine long before countries even made it official politics
Be more specific. The first major social security program as far as I am aware was Germany in 1889 right before a long period of economic instability right up to the collapse of the Weimar republic.

>>1997177
hahah suk my dik :DDDDD

>>1997280
That first law was required because German wages had dropped below the point where everybody could feed their own family anymore.
Prior to that, feeding your family had worked.

>People still reply to bot threads

>>1997277
I'm currently taking care of my parents so they can do whatever the fuck they want and supplement my sister's income so she can be a good mother to her son because her husband is a little bitch.

>robots this automation that
As someone who works in automation (software robotics as opposed to mechanical), the greatest potential for automation in the next few decades is the automation of simple, repetitive tasks (i.e. unskilled labour) like data entry and other boring and soul-crushing work. This frees up employees to work on more complex, creative and satisfying tasks that add more value to the business. It's true that not everyone can upskill and some people will be put out of jobs, but structural unemployment is a very common occurrence anyway (for example, when a mining or construction boom ends and jobs dry up).

This kind of technological revolution has happened many times before and, though it may hurt a bit initially, the long-term benefits for society as a whole are far greater.

>>1997207
>Actual population growth is bad for the economy.
Except that the single most important (or at least, most commonly agreed upon) measure of economic strength is GDP. A greater population means greater potential to produce, meaning greater GDP.
>greater population growth leads to less education
[Citation needed]
>leads to less automatization
See what I said above about automating unskilled tasks.

>>1997212
>Because permanent economic growth is always good for your country.
It basically is. Economic growth means more jobs, meaning greater employment rates, meaning more people have money to spend on raising their standard of living.

>>1997225
>It is only the economic growth model that makes this difficult in the face of ever-advancing technology.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but advancements in technology lead to greater productivity which factor into economic growth.

>>1997233
Social services and welfare act as automatic economic stabilizers. When the economy goes south and unemployment goes up, welfare payments also increase, which offsets the decrease in spending, which workers still get paid and unemployment doesn't rise further.

>>1997300
[citation needed]

>>1997334
>the greatest potential for automation in the next few decades
True but when you're looking at population you have to look further than the next few decades. The life expectancy in most developed countries is around 80 years and increasing. It also takes multiple generations to actually significantly decrease a nations population, unless you're going to achieve that by just killing loads of people. If we only start talking about what to do with an enormous quantity of unemployable people by the time they are getting replaced, we will be a century too late to avoid the negative consequences.

>>1997334
>>1997384
lmao all this effort for a fucking trashed pol thread

>>1997398
this was from a

>>1997334
>This frees up employees to work on more complex, creative and satisfying tasks that add more value to the business
There are only so many of these jobs available. As a net whole total jobs have decreased.
>for example, when a mining or construction boom ends and jobs dry up
Poor analogy, computers and robotics are a very recent invention and have had a much larger impact on the economy.
>A greater population means greater potential to produce, meaning greater GDP.
That isn't true, a larger population means there is a greater need and consumption of basic goods but does not necessarily lead to more jobs because automation like you said is most effective for basic goods and unskilled labor.
>Social services and welfare act as automatic economic stabilizers
The money for social services and welfare has to come from somewhere. Each generation has be significantly better off than the last to pay for it and when that doesn't happen the government has to borrow money to maintain it which leads to runaway inflation as currency is devalued and eventually economic collapse.

>>1997384
My point was that jobs aren't just going to disappear into the aether as a result of automation. Structural economic upheavals are common and new jobs are always created when technological innovation happens. A huge proportion of the jobs that exist today are jobs that didn't exist a century ago, and there's no reason to think that the same can't be said a century from now.

But you're right, people will be displaced, and something does need to be done about that. The answer is re-skilling and re-training the displaced workforce to perform more productive work. Companies will often do this to an extent, but better institutional education is also crucial to increasing human capital in an economy, and that's something that most governments in developed nations are already well aware of.

>>1997485
>There are only so many of these jobs available. As a net whole total jobs have decreased.
That's just speculation. New jobs and new industries will be created, or people can apply themselves to creative or entrepreneurial pursuits. To put it another way, automation allows humans to stop wasting time with robotic work and start doing human work. Again, this may hurt slightly in the short-term, but the benefits are greater.
>Poor analogy, computers and robotics are a very recent invention and have had a much larger impact on the economy.
It was an example of structural unemployment. When a boom ends, workers need to find new jobs. That's how it's always been.
>That isn't true, a larger population means there is a greater need and consumption of basic goods but does not necessarily lead to more jobs because automation like you said is most effective for basic goods and unskilled labor.
I've already addressed the issue of job creation, and cheaper production costs means cheaper goods, which means consumers can buy more and raise their standard of living.

There's a lot I could say about your last point but I'm at the character limit and I really need to sleep.

>>1997558
>That's just speculation. New jobs and new industries will be created
It's not speculation we're living in it right now. Many college graduates are unemployed or working minimum wage.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-06/college-grads-stuck-with-low-wages-as-hiring-in-u-s-heats-up
>The answer is re-skilling and re-training the displaced workforce
Yeah everybody should just go back to school every 10 years and be ready to take thousands in unpayable debts. Great idea.
>It was an example of structural unemployment. When a boom ends, workers need to find new jobs. That's how it's always been.
Your example is localized while computers and robotics have affected nearly every industry across the country.

population loss is the first step to implementing successful communism comrades

>>1997622
>Yeah everybody should just go back to school every 10 years and be ready to take thousands in unpayable debts. Great idea.
Not every country [spoiler]is America[/spoiler] has education that makes you a slave to loans.

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>>1997178
Nice try jew

>>1997651
>the government pays for it so that means it's free!