SPACE ELEVATOR GENERAL /SEG/

>>1980780
DEEP LEVEL FAGGOT STOP WITH THIS SHIT. WHY HAVENT U BEEN IP BANNED YET

>>1980780
FUCKING HIGH LEVEL FAGGOT

OR VICTORY OF THE LARP (BIGGEST FAGGOT)

>>1980780
OR THE LIBRARIAN FAGGOT

>>1980780
NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR SPACE ELEVATOR. KILL YOURSELF.

>>1980780
COREY GOODE. DAVID WILCOCK ARE BOTH HUGE FAGGOTS. GAIA IS FOR FAGGOTS.

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growing food in space with livestock on the lower levels and crops on top

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>>1980787
oy vey

>>1980780
the earth is flat

>>1980789
Seriously though. I'm usually interested in this genre of information but you make threads and fake conversations. You say the same information over and fucking over again and you pretend like you're some knowledgeable person but you contradict yourself over multiple social media platforms. I've seen you on many.

You're either schizophrenic. An attention whore. Or disinfo psy op. Or ur jewish. (these aren't all mutually exclusive)

pick one.

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supposedly a space elevator could have been built with existing technology for the cost of the Iraq war.

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>>1980792
what about gravity?

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>>1980791
There hasn't been a space elevator thread in a while.

This thread is to discuss ways to push public consciousness towards space travel instead of bombing shitty countries, its not about the deep state and what they are doing.

>>1980795
NIGGER THERE WAS ONE LAST NIGHT YOU FUCKING DEEP LEVEL FAGGOT

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>>1980794
It spins to create artificial gravity

>>1980795
IN B4 HE SAYS THE SAME COPY PASTE BULLSHIT ABOUT GDP SPACE ELEVATOR

SUCK A DICK YOU DISINFO FAGGOT. YOU PROVIDE NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING AND YOU NEED OTHER SHILLS TO COME HERE AND FAKE INORGANIC CONVERSATIONS ITS PATHETIC.

>>1980780
Disregard the nogs spamming your thread, OP. They don't want to be left behind on earth with the rest of their monkey brethren in the Sahara once the gibs dry up.

What types of politics would space require? How about for construction of elevators and other artificial structures where humans inhabit? Things like the ISS are a joke compared to what humanity can accomplish.

GO TO /x/ NOT HERE FUCK OFF

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>>1980796
how was it?

>>1980799
SEE THIS IS THE FAKE ANONS ASKING INORGANIC QUESTIONS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. NOBODY ON THIS BOARD TALKS LIKE THIS

>>1980802
>I'm a fake anon for participating in a thread
Fuck yourself.

1 anon will ask 5 questions or so.

the anon will then answer each of them one by one.

the second fake anon will follow up with a short response followed by more multuiple questions. and this shill thread continues for hours.

THIS IS A DISINFO PSY OP.

>>1980803
you are

>>1980805
I'm not.

>>1980787
>>1980796
>>1980802
>>1980805
I've got memetic digits on my side. You have disinfo faggotry.

>>1980799
I imagine it would be like Rapture from Bioshock.
Hoppean Anarcho-Capitalist

The first country to make a reliable space elevator is gonna colonize space

>>1980791
listen up Fluffy. You may have a legitimate point to make, but your typing "ur" like a nigger on a stolen sail foam negates any credibility you could have earned.
Fuck off to some place that won't notice your niggerisms, or kill yourself. Preferably the latter you double kike niggerfaggot.

>>1980780
Pipe dream or the Hoover Dam of the 22nd century.

>>1980805
Those numbers

>>1980807
Digits don't matter if you're a giga nigger.

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>>1980804
Calm down redditor, you're trying to fight the natural progression of the board. Also take your pills

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VICTORY OF THE LARP (FAGGOT)

DEEP RESEARCHER (FAGGOT)

HIGH LEVEL FAGGOT (HIGH LEVEL FAGGOT)

THE LIBRARIAN (FAGGOT)

SPACE ELEVATOR (WORST DISINFO PSY OP IVE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE)

>>1980808
Would we be seeing more nations ally with each other as the first countries begin to colonize space?

>>1980816
kys faggot

>>1980814
>>1980815
What exactly is the point? Do you think it's psyop because you think the earth is flat? Or that it's a physical or technical impossibility?

THIS IS /x/ DISCUSSION NOT /pol/ JUST CUZ U INCLUDE THE WORD POLITICS DOES NOT MAKE IT RELEVANT

>>1980817
You do so first, faggot kike cuck

>>1980818
Because you literally say the same shit ad nauseam and pretend like the person asking you questions, THE SAME FUCKING QUESTIONS, is a random anon.

KILL YOURSELF WILCOCK AND GOODE

FUCKIN SOLAR FAGGOT

>>1980816
I think it would be shared like the ISS, it's really just a cheaper safer replacement for rockets, right now it's something like $20,000 per pound to get something into orbit and rockets still randomly explode

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>>1980823

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KYS BLUE AVIAN FAGGOTS

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Weird response

Man remember when these threads were the best part of /pol/. We lost quite a bit of what made /pol/ great when these threads died. Now it's all "liberals and their elitism" and "race war nao Xd". Storm front invasion destroyed the board the conversations used to be so insightful now barely anyone who actually can have a meaningful conversation on the topic comes the board anymore

>>1980831
TOO BAD THESE ARENT REAL INSIDERS THIS IS A MEME THAT HAS GONE ON FOR OVER A YEAR OVER REDDIT TWITTER AND 4chan THESE LARPS ARE PURE DISINFO

>>1980833
Nah /seg/ was a thing from 09-13 but died soon after

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it would be cool if that stuff was build at some point in my lifetime but I guess it won't happen because people are not as cappable as we would like them.
the biggest projects of our time like ITER are constantly behind the schedule and cost way more than originally planned and a space elevator is like a billion times bigger than that, as if humanity had its shit together to pull it off.

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>>1980791
>(these aren't all mutually exclusive)
>pick one.
anon...

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>>1980831
Once in a while, late at night usually there's still some good discussion to be had

>>1980838
kill yourself u blue avian faggot

>>139538061
You disallusion people you fucking LARP

>>139538061
Tell us more about project SOLAR FAGGOT

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>>1980833
I am not an insider or cia or a jew or a tripfag
I don't make threads often, but they've sucked recently

pic related is important read it

>>1980842
nigger that picture isn't relevant to anything. nice attempt at distracting from the fact youre a flaming faggot.

>>1980843
Can you describe the pic I posted?

I can't tell if you're an AI or not

>>1980801
That car is cool as fuck.

>>1980843
The fuck is your problem?

>>1980835
we used to dream bigger dreams and accomplish greater things. If only the world were just whites and asians.

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>>139538290
>>139538290
>>139538290
COREY I MADE YOU A GIFT

SPACE ESCALATOR WHEN?

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>>139538061
>Think big Hans
how is this in any way realistic man?
they can't even build a test fusion reactor with a shitload of money and brightest eggheads they can find in a reasonable time and reasonable budget and you expect them to manage the launch loop and space elevator.
nigga pls.
nothing of that size has been done yet and probably won't ever be done. well at least not in my lifetime or yours, maybe in 300 years or so if shit didn't collapse by then.

>>1980846
we literally did nothing in that scale EVER.
Pyramids were also build by aliens so they don't count.

Here's an idea I thought about.
A space elevator is just a weight in geosynchronous orbit with a thin strong tether down to earth, with a platform that can go up and down on it. Eventually many countries will have at least one.

I was thinking about Korin's tower from Dragonball. I was thinking, what if you made the tether a hollow tube, and it had a climbing surface or spiral staircase to go up. Maybe every 10,000 feet have an airlock, and assuming it's not freezing cold, could someone "walk" up to space? If there was a stairway to a space station, and you walked up stairs to the top, would you gradually get lighter and lighter until you were just floating, or is there some threshold that passing makes you weightless? Usually you're on a rocket and there's G-force from the thrust, so it's hard to notice.

>>1980849
That's literally corey goode

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THE INTERNET ALWAYS REMEMBERS COREY

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>>1980851
what does that mean? care to explain dude?

>>1980780
Get the fuck out faggot

>>1980853
>>1980853
Its these 2 dudes who have this website where they jew money out of people talking about blue birds and this fat dude pretending he worked on secret space programs. He goes around seminars saying the most contradictory far fetched shit and he never discusses specifics because there arent any.

Basically he graps onto peoples imaginations and jews them out of money.

>>1980855
and they make these threads or what?

>>1980850
>not knowing about the tether incident
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAvx8cSOhcg
tl;dw
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-wYmFYb3I

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I've been in some of the old threads and I've seen the Tedtalk and a bunch of other videos and articles, never heard of them.

This is a multi trillion dollar project, it's bigger than the moon landing or the Manhattan Project, 2 dudes can't do shit. Elon Musk, Richard Branson or Donald Trump are the level of entrepreneurs we would need to attract, but first there must be public desire for space tourism, grand works projects, ect. I believe that for the cost of Iraq Afghanistan, all those bullshit wars, we could have built one of these. The first one will be the most expensive, because it's experimental, but I bet even India will eventuall get one (superpower by 3020!)

>>1980831
truth

why not just have 100 layers growing food, and 200 layers of livestock? its already impossible

>>1980845
how black are you cunt?

The big hurdle is diverting resources from the military industrial complex.

For example, in The Watchmen comic, there are floating cars and dirigibles and ecigs even though it's 1984. It's explained that Dr. Manhattan synthesizes lithium with his god powers, and that's why there's a bunch of cool tech. In real life in the 80s we had to use nickel cadmium batteries for cordless drills, and cell phones were huge, and the battery life was shit. Then 9/11 happened. First thing I thought when I heard was "we're going to war!" and I was right. I had heard that huge lithium deposits had been discovered in pakistan and Dick Cheney's Haliburton would get the contract to mine it. Fast forward to now lithium batteries everywhere, devices smaller, last longer, great! Problem is, a lot of military power was needed to secure those mining "rights" Deals made with the Taliban, opium farmers, pharmaceutical execs, banks, you name it. It's a huge messy web, held together mostly by CIA blackmail.

>>1980814
How are space elevator threads disinfo? They're more /sci/ than /pol/, not really /x/, but the idea involves projecting how contemporary politics will need to change in order for something like a space elevator to happen.

It is just hopeful thinking, not disinformation IMO.

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>>1980780
>space elevator thread
YES! He is back!
>thread is about actual space elevators
Newfags get out!

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>>1980792
We have material that could work but no means to produces it in the lengths required to work.
A orbital ring however is viable with current tech and offers a lot of advantages over a space elevator. Maybe most importantly being able to drive your car into space.

The orbital ring is superior in every measure.

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>>1980780
>This thread is to discuss plans for a
>space elevator
We could build one using Spectra right now for the Moon. There's just not a need yet. A company could build a Rotavator but no one is planning it. Rockets are the way to go for now. Lift capacity will increase organically.
>HALO
LaGrange halo orbits? Great spots for locating all sorts of facilities.
>extraterrestrial habitation
There needs to be capabilities toward multi-party long term exploration before we'll have any need or means of habitation.
>deep state
>thorium reactors
These have the same chance of existing.
>pic related is schematic of how far we can get using just inertia and gravity slingshots
sweet graphics. I like this one but it's direct and to the point.

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>>1980865
How does a space ring is different of a space elevator, by logic it's just multiple space elevators connected between them

>>1980866
My dream is that one day someone could climb up a space elevator, put on a space suit and wait in a space hotel until the right time, then "jump" so that he catches a dock on the moon or mars (space suit has suspended animation I guess, cause the trip would take a while without thrust) then after docking, climb down and walk to a dome city and explain that he jumped here from earth.

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>>1980867
A space elevator is a connection between the surface and a point at geosync with a counter weight extending past. It's held in place by matching the orbital velocity to the speed of free fall.

It's also like 65,000km long.

An orbital belt is a ring that is in orbit above the earth's atmosphere so it's not slowing that much due to friction. You keep that ring at orbital velocity then place around the wire a second hollow tube. Like a coax cable for TV.

The outer ring can then decelerate back down from orbital velocity which would cause it to fall to the Earth but if you induce a magnetic field in the inner cable, you can then push back up against that. As inner cable needs to hold up more mass it needs to spin faster. So you magnetically accelerate the inner ring to support the extra mass. You can then reach a point when the out casing is static to the Earth without needing a 65,000km carbon nano tube wire. Everything is just made by steel or iron.

Now that you have a static ring sitting just above the atmosphere you can drop down access wires that are only a few hundred km long. That can become a railroad system climbing up to the ring. It's well within material strength to build those cables.

The ring now gives you cheap access and with the right gear lets you launch payloads using an low orbital sized railgun. Also because it's so close to the Earth you have almost a full gravity of acceleration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMbI6sk-62E

>>1980867
>How does a space ring is different of a space elevator
Space elevator has pretty well understood dynamics. If we had the materials we could build one. Make a string that goes twice as far as geostationary orbit, about 66,000 miles total. Build station in GEO for servicing this structure. Pods come up and in theory back down the elevator. Powering the pods is an issue.

Space ring has a massive problem with dynamics, harmonics, thermal expansion, MASSCONS, and the huge mass of the rings themselves even if it was allowed to be built over the objections of pretty much everyone that does anything in space.

This shit's fucking interesting even if it never happens.

>>1980868
That's a pretty long way away. In only a few years you could take Dragon to Mars orbit.

This would be impossible because of the movement of the planets

>>1980870
Less than 20,000 tons all in for the first ring.

>>1980873
Do I still get a (you)?

>>1980884
wew I dont BOIIII

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whads a speecevator?

I thought for a moment that Space Elevator had returned, but it's just another ImpTrash thread.

>>1980780
Lemme guess... Some butthurt /sci/ fag moved this shit here.

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>>1980908
no we're from /pol/

what's going on in here?

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>>1980922
Nothing, get out.

>>1980908
Yep.

>>1980882
That's less than a ton per mile of mass. How? Even more important, how do you stabilize that ring?

>>1980978
20,000,000kg / 40,200,000m = 0.49kg/m


>how do you stabilize that ring?
Well until the ring is loaded it's stable due to being in an orbit. When it's loaded you stabilize it with tethers back to the ground. Or you actively control the strength and acceleration of the inner ring with modulation to the accelerating magnets at the control points.

Just because something like an orbital ring is potentially possible doesn't make it feasible or reasonable. I too believe that space colonisation is a necessary step for the future survival of the human species, but a project of this size just simply isn't something we'll be able to construct in now or in the foreseeable future.

First off, we won't see any major efforts to seek a way off Earth for a long time. We can't afford to do it without serious investment by both governments and corporations alike, and while the international political climate is ever-changing there's nothing to indicate that leaving Earth is on the minds of anyone with an actual chance of accomplishing it.

Secondly, it sounds great on paper, or as musings on a somewhat obscure youtube channel for futurism nerds - but we don't have the tech. Fusion reactors and task-oriented artificial intelligence might lead to the dawn of a new scientific golden age, but until then we're stuck with relying on the developments made in the interest of military application.

The first big off-planet colonisation schemes might come to fruition in maybe five hundred to a thousand years from now, granted we were to begin this project soon and somehow maintain funding and interest for all that time. Anyone leaving this planet before then will be millionaires or people specifically trained for small-scale operations.

So unless OP sits on some kind of information that will lead us to completely change our attitude to space exploration, I think it's pretty sure to say that this is blind idealism. It's not going to happen.

>>1981637
We don't need nuclear fusion to move off of the Earth, or AI to run things. We literally have all the tech we need right now to build a Kardashev Type II civilization.
The rewards for space development would make the rewards of European colonization look like finding a penny on the ground.

200 launches of the new NASA heavy lifter Orion and we have all the mass we need for an orbital ring. The total cost is less than 50 billion. Apple could with it's money hiding in Ireland build 10 orbital rings the hard way by rocket launch and still have billions left over.

>>1981100
>Well until the ring is loaded it's stable due to being in an orbit.
It's not stable. Perturbations will murder something like that, as will masscons, heating and atomic oxygen.

>>1982369
It's not like it will spend any time unloaded once complete. You build in sections and then when it go time you connect them up. You don't need to build it all as a single perfect wire like with a space elevator.

Also you need to explain what you mean by atomic oxygen. I assume you mean stray atoms of the atmosphere knocked into higher orbits colliding with the ring.

>>1980889
The idea is a multiple strands of Kevlar cable are extended from an anchor on the surface up high enough until the rotation of the earth and the centripetal motion of the strand supports the weight below.

When you reach the right point, then you start to build a ring horizontally. It like a gigantic version of early designed space stations that rotate.

The basic idea is that upon the ring you can build large fields of solar panels that should generate vast amounts of electricity, much moar than earth bound examples because so much moar solar energy impacts ring solar panels because of atmospheric losses.

An earth encompassing ring with multiple support strands (elevators) could provide enough power to allow us to eliminate fossil fuels and up our civilization energy through put to the next level without the freighting horror of nuclear energy disasters.

The strands in addition to providing anchors for the suspended orbital ring also provide transportation from the surface to space on the ring. The elevator is actually a collar around the strand powered by the solar electricity that moves up and down the strand. The ring could also be used as habitat, and a space vehicle build and launch platform. Just about anything you dare to imagine could be built "up there".

It is a grand idea. The energy provided to the countries of the earth would be enough to wipe out the debt of the United States probably inside a generation.

Unfortunately the governments are more concerned with dividing the human family into various tribes to pitted against each other (making them easier to control/kill/subjugate than to have the foresight to see the pathway to the Stars and the next great uplifting of the human family.

The High Level Insider was the first I saw promoting this idea here. But the idea has been around for a long time. Some one remind me but didn't Arthur C Clark write a story about this...

>>1982507
>It's not like it will spend any time unloaded once complete. You build in sections and then when it go time you connect them up. You don't need to build it all as a single perfect wire like with a space elevator.
Good elevator designs are stranded.
Once your ring is somehow in place, it's going to crumple forward as one section or area is effected differently in orbit, probably due to passing over a slightly flatter part of the earth and suddenly not being orbital velocity. I'm not sure, I'd need to see an actual peer reviewed paper with modeling. It seems incredibly unnecessary and impractical.

>Also you need to explain what you mean by atomic oxygen. I assume you mean stray atoms of the atmosphere knocked into higher orbits colliding with the ring.
Exactly. But you'll also have to deal with solar expansion on the sun side, imperfections in orbits and masscons. I really don't see how it's possible without the entire structure being actively controlled.

>>1981835
We're not even at Type I yet, buddy. Again - it's not a matter if it's possible under the circumstance that all the necessary conditions were magically met - it's a matter of feasibility.
We can't tell how good we'll be at building infrastructure in space before we try. And we're not going to actively try for a long time from now.

>>1982698
>Good elevator designs are stranded.
Say goodbye to most of your tensile strength of carbon nano tube.

>Once your ring is somehow in place, it's going to crumple forward as one section or area is effected differently in orbit, probably due to passing over a slightly flatter part of the earth and suddenly not being orbital velocity.
The variation you are claiming is so small as to be nearly impossible to measure. Something moving at an orbital speed would pass without issue. Your deflection would be nano meter range if that.

Also what do you mean by crumple forward. Explain that.

>I'm not sure, I'd need to see an actual peer reviewed paper with modeling.
For what?
>It seems incredibly unnecessary and impractical.
Name a better method of ground to space access.

>Exactly. But you'll also have to deal with solar expansion on the sun side, imperfections in orbits and masscons. I really don't see how it's possible without the entire structure being actively controlled.
It's an active support system. It is actively controlled, what part of the ring needing to be under constant acceleration to keep the static sections up made you think it wasn't?
More over it would be two counter rotating section, for stability.

>>1982812
You said we don't have the tech to leave the planet for permanent human settlement. You are wrong if you think we don't have the tech for that and need Fusion power and computer AI to make it viable. We haven't totally exploited all the energy on our planet because we don't need it. However we have the tech today to totally exploit all the energy from the sun or at least a hugely sizeable amount of it.

>We can't tell how good we'll be at building infrastructure in space before we try.
So clearly no attempt should be made? This isn't very hard, it's just a lot of simple parts that need to happen. However what we do not need is some as of yet undiscovered or perfected technology, just management.

>>1983029
Do you misunderstand me on purpose? I'm saying that there are other factors than available technology - mostly sociocultural and economical incentive to start these projects in the first place. Of course we should attempt to colonise space, my point is that it won't happen for another 500-1000 years at least.

>>1983174
Do you misunderstand me on purpose? I'm saying that there are other factors than available technology
>>1981637
>but we don't have the tech

I have no clue what you are trying to say if it's not what you clearly said.

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>>1980780
That's fucking retarded

>>1983029
>Your deflection would be nano meter range if that.
Building up nanometer by nanometer until there is massive compressive force. In a system that's wobbling from perturbations. Every part of the ring needs to 20,000 tons x sheering moment of force to just survive.
>Also what do you mean by crumple forward. Explain that.
If any particular length of this solid ring drops below the optimized, overall orbital speed the resulting force will create compression on the ring. It's just one of many failure modes.
>>1983658
This.

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>>1982607
>without the freighting horror of nuclear energy disasters.
we have thorium and liquid salt reactors already and that shit is enough to power earth for hundreds of thousends of years and is 100% safe compared to breeder reactors.
so no need for solar bullshit in space.

and your orbital ring doesn't produce any kind of money and is a horrible investment from a business point of view so its likely that it won't ever happen.

>>1983611
How much of a pedantic shit do you have to ignore the entirety of my post just so you can keep droning about "we have the tech!!". You can make that claim all you want - it doesn't mean shit if it's hasn't been put together in an affordable, effective and usable way yet. And newsflash - it hasn't. Newsflash 2 - it's going to be fucking hard.

And honestly, if you're really suggesting that building a Kardashev II civilisation is possible with the current energy output and industrial capacity even with the collective our planet, then I'm wasting my time. You're clearly delusional.