'red pill' me about farming. I just had the most insane

>>1100607
>running it with my wife
>farm boys here
let me stop you right there....dont do it.

>>1100607
Bad pay, long hours, you're at the whim of the nature.

>>1100609
>Bad pay
Wouldn't that be highly dependent on the type of farm?
>long hours
No problem working long hours for myself.

>>1100607
you mean a proper farm, paying taxes and selling your produce?, or living 'off the grid' and growing just enough to feed your family?
if england is like australia they wont allow the second option, and will use the police and other public services to target you for harassment until you become a sheep again.

>>1100609
Just as God intended.

Embrace that Protestant work ethic, Britbro. Ownership, hard work, and a multitude of offspring will come to you.

>>1100611
I mean a proper farm mate.

It's tough work, you get up at 5am and you work until 7pm. The weather, food prices, wildlife and local regulations will fuck you in the ass every day.

However, if you know what you're doing and you genuinely enjoy being outside, farming can be really comfy.

>>1100613
its only worthwhile if you hire shitskins, even then you will be taxed out the ass.
move to america and grow legal weed instead.

>>1100610
Unless you have a massive amount of land to grow stuff like tobacco, cacao, sugar cane, almonds, soy, etc, you're gonna barely make a living. Profits in farming are driving by the sheer size of modern day farms. And at that point you'd need to mechanize everything.

Stuff like milk and eggs doesn't create enough money. It's why they have to be subsidized in the first world and mechanized.

>>1100607
>>1100610
Go research it mate, see what you find. Give us some updates in this thread on you r research progress/ideas. Tired of these "dream life" threads.

Would you do it in the UK or in the US or...

>>1100616
Are driven*

>>1100611
how do they go about doing that??

>>1100614
>However, if you know what you're doing and you genuinely enjoy being outside, farming can be really comfy.
I know absolutely nothing about farming at this point. I'm a civil engineer by trade.
>>1100616
What's considered 'large'?
I have a lot of money to spend by most people's standards.

>>1100617
>Go research it mate
I will be doing that.
Can't right now as I'm at work.

>>1100617
>Would you do it in the UK or in the US or...
UK or Denmark.

>>1100616
What some of small farms are doing now in my area are getting special licensing for brewing and distilling operation that allows for consumption and distribution as long as one ingredient is grown on the property. The state government has streamlined the process which is surprising.

If you specialize in something and get somewhat creative with how you do it and market it there is a possibility to get a bit of a profit. Localtarian meats for families and restaurants have turned a good profit for a buddy of mine down the road. The downside is that it requires an intensive ammount of work to keep the operation afloat.

>>1100623
Are you from the U.S.?

>>1100619
they gradually make life hard for you, you will be stalked and harassed and eventually framed with a crime.
they would rather have you in prison than living comfortably off the grid.

>>1100620
>I'm a civil engineer by trade
so you're going to give up your useful job for a useless one.

>>1100620
The average US farm size 434 acres, just an example.

>>1100623
Distilling sounds like it could be a decent business if you're good. I imagine it'd be more difficult in the UK though.

>>1100623
A brewpub on a farm would be quite popular I imagine. All materials harvest directly into the brewpot, don't need a national liquor licenses or pay for distribution, attract hipsters and country folk alike.

I had this idea once too, but there is no such thing as small independent farms anymore, huge industrialized farms can pump out a lot of food for cheaper, a small operation can't compete.

>>1100607
Its a huge amount of work, you need big farm to make it profitable, no vacations, no sick days. Your income depends on what the big food companies pay you, you have no leverage to negotiate those deals on your own.

>>1100629
Most farms are actually family owned. They just sell their food to corporations.

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>yfw you against all odds make it work and provide sustained living for your family for 3 decades but then you die and a 75% estate tax wipes away everything you've built for your children. They are left with no money, no land, and no formal education

>>1100607
Self sufficiency is the real red pill

Do it!
Get John Seymour's book, it has heaps of stuff you need to know.

>>1100632
The estate tax only applies if it's worth more than like 3 or 4 million dollars. Something like 1% of of the people that have to pay it are farmers.

>>1100607
If you have no idea how to run it, better not get into that.

>>1100607
take the orchard pill and buy one from nz/aus

>>1100635
I didn't know anything about civil engineering either, until I studied it and did the job for 7 years. Still nowhere near to knowing everything.

>>1100632

>3 or 4 million dollars

that figure will never increase, it will probably decrease
3 million dollars of land will be nothing in 2050

If your ready to bust your ass go for it.

>>1100607
Don't do it in Britain. To much rules. And those are stifling innovation.

Start off a homestead. You can find tons of videos on youtube of people homesteading. As you gain experience, you can add more land for crops and animals. Jumping into a five hundred acre farm right off the bat will be too much. Five to ten acres in a rural area is plenty to start with.

>>1100640
It'd have to be either in Denmark or an English speaking country.
>>1100627
I've did some scooping around and for my highest price range I can get farms twice the size of that.
>>1100633
I will take a look.

>>1100607
>I just had the most insane thought of buying a farm and running it with my wife.

Kudos to you, go for it.

>>1100607
M8 try it as a farm hand for a planting season and harvest season or 2. If you can handle long working days in the sun and be on top of everything (this requires many skills) you can enjoy one of the most greatest feelings of accomplishment. When you harvest a crop, watch it go off to the factory and you get the payment there is nothing more redpilling.

>>1100644
That would be difficult from my current location, but it's a good idea. My wife worked on a farm as teenager for several years. A pig and horse farm. Closest thing to farm work I've done is manual labour on building sites.

>>1100629
Basically this, you can't do it the way our anscestors did, just you, your wife and kids living the life. It's only ever profitable if you go for LARGE scale production and mechanization, which is not in line with your comfy dream.

>>1100631
This, and they jew you as hard as they can.

>>1100607
Aren't land and farms ridiculously expensive over in the UK?

>>1100646
I'm aware it's largely mechanised and I have no negative thoughts regarding that.
I'm all for greater efficiency.

>>1100648
Yes, they are. But I have a lot of money compared to most people which could get me something decent.
I wouldn't begin something from nothing, but rather purchase an already working and proven operation.

My family owns a farm and I used to work on it, we made a lot of money but we also ran cookery classes for people interested in rustic food and travelled to open stalls at markets and food festivals

>>1100650
Mushrooms OP. Cultivate wild species of mushroom like chanterelle, morel and porcini. The mushroom craze is still strong in most countries.

>>1100607
Safer growing food for yourself and having some goats, ducks and whatever. Goat meat is meant to be nice and i hear its a good tasty healthy meat. Also duck eggs are the best eggs, really good and also meant to be better for you.

Summertime is the worst. The heat, the flies, the chiggers, the pollen, the gnats in your mouth, the dirt that gets all over you, the blisters and mosquitoes.

And then shit happens. We lost almost half an acre of tomatoes because a neighbor drainage ditch dammed up and flooded our field. Our windmill on the hill pumps water into a tank - the pump seized up.

It's not just work, it's the frustration that for every two steps forward, one step backward.

>>1100607
I wonder if the red barns you see in pictures from USA and Canada are all painted with the Swedish paint Falu red?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falu_red
And I wonder why it's only USA and Canada, maybe Finland and Norway too. Maybe it's like Volvo. Volvo seems to be quite common in USA, and of course in Sweden, but not many other countries. I spent 3 or 4 months in Germany and saw maybe a handful of Volvos.

>>1100607

My grandfather was a draftsman by trade. Made good money, saved up and bought a 5 acres about an hour from work in the 70s. He had a vineyard there, made wine and maintained the vineyard in his spare time on a manageable size of land.

Keep your day job and do it as a hobby.

>>1100653
>>1100607
Grow some patatos, I recommend kerris pinks, blue banner and Shetland blacks. Just because i like flowery patatos, might not be your thing.

Grow some carrots and parsnips, peas and broad beans, green beans.

Grow some cabbage and broccoli. What ever you like.

Home grown food is way more taster and better for you, just grow it in virgin soils, soil that is natural and has not been fucked about with. Far more healthier.

>>1100653
>having some goats,
Keep them far from the house or you'll be sorry. and if you're thinking a small herd of sheep or goats, you'll have to get used to the smell of shit on your clothes.

>>1100653
I'm going to take a look at smallholdings with a track record of profit for sale.

>>1100658
No way are they going near the house. Can't be bothered with sheep.

>>1100633
>Tfw you can't go offgrid in the US
Fucking property taxes. I just want to live a simple farming life without the fucking government bothering me. Is that too much to ask for?

>>1100622
Denmark is good, good soil
Very hard here, due to bad sour soil, and yeah the altitude and we're a bit far up north

>>1100607
the fact you need to ask online about how to farm tells me that farming would kill your and your husband

>>1100663
Nice assumptions, faggot.
I'm young, strong, and have no kids yet. So nothing to lose, except money.

>>1100655
You shouldn't rule it out actually. Their frontier houses came from finnskogen actually, as they were superior to the climate compared to mainland europe. But they have idiotic shapes on the barn roofs over there.

>Paint the walls in blood when bloting!

>>1100627
>The average US farm size 434 acres, just an example.
That's 1.75 square kilometers, what the fuck?

>>1100634
thats retarded

>be just above the cutoff
>sell a couple things and give to someone else
>save millions

laffers curve

>>1100607
It entirely depends on where you live and what you grow. Here in Quebec, you can grow nothing but corn and soy with only a few weeks work in spring and Autumn, a few Roundup treatments. Make about 200$ a ton, and a medium sized farm will let you produce a few thousand tons.

Farm land is really costly tough, because of how fertile it is. But there is always some for sale.

IDK how it goes in Britain, but I'd recommend coming here since it's good work.

>>1100667
I want more than just self sufficieny.
What's the source for that info graphic? Can't see it well.

Nah I've played with the idea my self, I basically "summer-grew-up" on a family farm, that sadly just got sold.

As people say it's hard work, but it's also freedom and food security. Just a tip if you intend to farm strawberries you need an army of people to pick them, we used polacks for it before. It's common that people can come and pick for them self, but that doesn't exactly clear the fields.

Chickens isn't so much trouble, gives eggs and meat. Cows I've not dealt with that much, that's more work. Didn't grow wheat so I don't got experience with that even though I grew up surrounded by those farms. Nah to me it's a dream.

It sucked so hard when the farm just got sold, I lacked just a mill and I could have kept in on family hands. Stupid ass cousin that wanted to be a city boy working at a shitty place earning jackshit. Fucking hate him for that shit, we're not on speaking terms and for a norse that can last decades or till one of us dies. Potatoes are easy to deal with too.

You should start practicing a bit on your lawn first, set some potatoes and veggies and stuff.
It was common with my grand parents generation to grow shit them self, my parent gen are lazy as no good looser that just want to drink and go on holidays.

>>1100609
>what is a greenhouse

its not hard feeding pigs/goats/chickens for a personal mini farm but stay away from cows and shit start semi-small anon

>>1100661
>cant scrape together a few hundred bucks a year

look up farm tax ememption and greenbelt/crp programs. I pay 350 bucks a year on 70 acres.

>>1100607
I only know about farming in the states, but here you can't really break into farming like that. Family farms are still multi million dollar businesses that take a leftime of knowledge to run. People are generally born into it.

Unless you are talking about substance farming, which is much more doable.

>>1100607
Don't run a commercial farm. Very high initial cost to get the land you need, and then you'll be Jewed harder than you have ever been before for the rest of your life, and even after death thanks to inheritance tax. Stick to subsistence farming, maybe a little extra to sell locally.

>>1100674
This

>>1100675
This

basically farming is a huge cover for the bestiality community, all the profits they make goes into to leather outfits and new ways of fucking the animals they keep

theres farms here in West Virginia making a killing . guyhas biodomes and everything in Ranson.

>>1100666
hehe, they are big, we use another measurement unit here for this.

I watched this show from a guy from here that moved over there in the 50-60ies and bought a farm. It mas so fucking massive, endless fields of wheat. Nothing of the sort here, small farms because they have been divided up during the years.

Also typically a farmer here just have a handful of cows that lurk around. In Denmark they cram them all on small fields by the hundreds, big difference on farming here and there.

Meat is shit expensive here, you wouldn't even believe it so we buy in Sweden when we can. I n Denmark it's cheap. Right now I'm stocked up with beef from fucking Namibia, half of it is prolly bushmeat. I made a steak here the other day, and fuck me that was not fucking ox. Prolly bamboo or nigger or something

>>1100674
I wouldn't try to build a farm from the ground up. Rather buy one that is already running and profitable. No doubt there's risk and some fuck ups will occur, but I think I will manage to adapt. Depending on the size of the farm, etc.

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My family owns a thousand acre farm in the eastern United States.

Work is hard, but how much work you have to do depends entirely on how smart you are.

My dad grows GMO corn (I know) most of the time, but every 7 years or whatever, the fields are switched so that soybeans are grown instead to replenish the nitrogen in the soil.

Farming equipment is pretty much mandatory. A new tractor costs more than a Lamborghini. If you're not careful, you could get into a ton of debt and end up with the bank reposessing your farm to make up for their loans.

This farm has been in my family for almost 200 years. The nearby farms are being bought up and made into high end suburbs for rich college alumni that want to get out of the rat race and retire into a quaint little country area where they can get 2 acres of yard and still be able to watch their football games.

Cunts.

>>1100675
The idea of subsistence farming doesn't attract me mate. I would want to make some money from it for a decent level of material existence.

>>1100680
Like he said its a job you are born into. Young farmers learn all the knowledge they need to run it as they grow up from a youngling. If you were to just jump in like that you would struggle and fail.
Farmers can get pretty fucked if they dont know what they are doing

>>1100607
Go for it. It's hard work as far as I know however.

My suggestion is to tap into the bullshit hype around superfoods and locally grown crap.
Appearantly, hipsters are willing to pay tons for a handfull of quinoa seeds or goji berries

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>>1100681
>>1100607

Like others have said, its usually something you have to be born into. Land isn't cheap, because God isnt making any more of it.

>>1100681
> every 7 years or whatever, the fields are switched so that soybeans are grown instead to replenish the nitrogen in the soil.

Thats pretty smart. No one is that smart around here in NI

>>1100683
I don't buy that. Anything can be learned with enough time, motivation, introspection, patience, and guidance.

>>1100679
>hehe, they are big, we use another measurement unit here for this.
I still don't understand how that can be true, in Croatia it's about 5.5 acres or 20-25000square meters. How the hell can their average be 434, it's completely insane. Does that mean that they killed off small farmers completely and now it's just people who bought land from everyone around them? In that case of course you can't get into it as a "beginner" when everyone is a massive landowner who employs shitloads of people and buys ridiculous amounts of mechanization.

>>1100679
>>Meat is shit expensive here, you wouldn't even believe it so we buy in Sweden when we can.
Why, no local production or what?

>>1100681
>A new tractor costs more than a Lamborghini
wew. But it doesn't need lambo insurance. Didn't know they were that expensive though.

>>1100607
You won't make enough money to support a family.

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>>1100687
Yes it can but you see thats just it man. It takes alot of time to learn so if you were to just take it on like that you are gonna have a bad time.

You are best to start small, that is how all farms were made really, and over generations it gets bigger and skill and knowledge gets passed down.

>>1100685
I have around £1m, depending on the market. More than enough to get started. Money isn't my main concern. Logistics and lack of skill are.

>>1100691
Of course mate, it would be something small.

>>1100674
This also why I am so pissed at my cousin, he was raised to be a farmer and had Odel(birth right to inherit the farm) of the farm. Taught everything from his father and grand father.
My uncle started to get to old and it was supposed to be his turn to take over, but meh.

He just want to play playstation and wank around, it's fucking triggering. It's not how this is supposed to work. Still got other family farms though, big clan, one is open as the same is happening there, it's further out in the lineage.

But I've considered it, what stops me here is the farm it self, basically on a hill and to high up and it's rather small too.

The farm my cousin was supposed to be on the fields right now... it was perfectly located and I got tons of close relatives there, the other farm me ntioned not, so I would be pretty much alone out there

A mate compensates with income on his farm by running a small self made factory in it, that and analyzing race horses with AI and image processing, to see how they run(I don't know anglo for all these different horse stuff) for the pros

>>1100607
Don't farm to make money, farm to feed yourself and your family. Get a homestead.

>>1100607
>>1100695
(I say this assuming you want freedom. Get off the grid, serve yourself and your loved ones, fuck the system.)

>>1100607
That's probably 100x more work than you are expecting. If you want there are coops where you can do field work in exchange for room and board. Would give you a taste so you can see if that's what you want.

>>1100633
Which one

>>1100696
There's no freedom without economic exchange and the medium we use is money.

>>1100686
The US has a huge farming lobby. We have an 8 foot stream running through our farm, so we get free upgrades every 20 years or so for new bridges, dams, ect so that a manure truck doesn't crash through and contaminate all the water downstream.

>>1100689
Yup, about $300k new. You have to factor in the lifetime cost of ownership though, a tractor will easily last you 20-30 years.

>>1100687
All the motivation in the world won't save your crops if something bad happens. Farms about nature, and most of the time nature is out of your control.

>>1100607
OP, i'd advise you to get a small plot (5-10 acres I don't know what its like in bongland) and basically run a scaled up garden.

Don't get animals, they're more trouble than they're worth, barring stuff like chickens.

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KEK MODS!

Fucking city boys, this board is cancer. Idiots don't understand where their fisk and farm foods come from, they think it grows in the store. I FUCKING HATE CITY PEOPLE GAS

Fucking KEKCHAN
GAS YOUR SELF MOD!

correction in rage here.
That would be
KEKCHAN
>KEKCHAN
KEKCHAN

KEKS GAS THE KEK MODS

>>1100700
>OP, i'd advise you to get a small plot (5-10 acres I don't know what its like in bongland) and basically run a scaled up garden.
>Don't get animals, they're more trouble than they're worth, barring stuff like chickens
I definitely want to grow stuff. Minus having some chickens for some eggs and some horses for the wife.

>>1100825
What kind of crops have ye in mind?

>>1100825
think they all left when the c u c k mod moved it here. Again I can't stand city people

>>1100825
Horses are the most expensive animal you could possibly buy for a farm. If you're entering into this with that mindset, I don't see you succeeding.

Lots of banks end up buying farms.

>>1100862
That would depend on what is for sale that's in my price point with decent location and with some history of making ends meet or more.
>>1100866
They are indeed faggots.

>>1100909
He could breed horses and sell em to the mart. He said he has 1 million anyways.

>>1100909
The horses would be for personal use. I'm not talking about a horse ranch, but keeping a horse or two. Horse riding is my wife's thing. We have one now, but we don't keep it near where we live.

>>1100934
While hes at it, why not distill his corn down into rocket grade ethanol and fly to the moon?

>>1100943
I know a fella who bought a nice place with a decent bit of land. He aint a farmer but his wife is the same, into horse riding. He has the money to build a stable and thats what he is doing now. He is going to keep a couple of horses for the wife and breed\sell the rest. If your wife likes horses she will look after them.

He is no rich man either but enough for this sort of thing.

>>1100951
What could go wrong keeping a handful of horses?
You might aswell make something off it too.
You could get them here for about 2-7 grand roughly where i am from depending on what kind of breed and how good it is. I would not have that kind of money but this lad seems to.

>>1100951
This guy gets it.

>>1101104
>>1101131
One horse eats a hundred dollars of food per month.

This isn't even accounting for shots, veterinary bills, associated costs.

If you're trying to shoot for some pie eyed dream of leaving the city life and moving onto a nice farm some place, walk before you run.

>>1101214
Idk what you yanks feed horses but here we bring em out into a field full of briers and let them tear away. Then if you have enough land you harvest grass for hay to feed them in the winter. As long as you have enough land its ok is it not?

This the type of thing I'm talking about lads.

http://uk.businessesforsale.com/uk/profitable-hops-farm-125-acreage-30-annual-return-for-sale.aspx

The sellers are willing to even work with the purchaser to ensure a smooth transition.

>>1100699
Livng off the grid doesnt mean you cant make money you retard it means livng as independent as possible so you spend less money on living in general because you make and grow shit youd normally buy.

>>1100607
I know you're not from the US but all organic and non pasteurized milk is big. People are moving more and more away from processed foods and organic will be bigger in the future. Not saying gmo are going away but people are waking up to corporations scams. Not saying all gmos and shit are bad but I definetley believe they are overused and they're are better substitutes. Here in California non pasteurized is legal. One of the few states where it is actually and the ranchers/farmers producing it are making good money.

>inb4 NON PASTURIZED MILK IS DANGEROUS

no it's not.

>>1100681
This is smart farming when you rotate the crop. A lot of farmers just dowse the soil with chemicals and fertilizers to replenish it.

>>1101723
To be fair spreading fertilizer should be done wether you rotate crops or not.

Pigs are a great way to prep a field. Let them shit and roll in a field for a year or two before relocating the pigs and turning it(their old waddling swamp) into a field of crops.

>>1101671
>no it's not.
its not dangerous but it doesnt keep nearly as long and, imo, doesnt taste as good.

>>1101755
This will also save you a lot of work as the pigs practically till the field for a year. The soil is very good after pigs lived on it.

If you are getting animals get chickens and pigs. Pig farming makes some money but more importantly keeps the soil good.

>>1101776
I like it way more than the watered down shit in the store. Unpasteurized milk is rich and fresh cream is fucking amazing.

The only reason drinking pasteurized milk became dangerous is because of mold dern milking were many many cow love together and have their milk combined which is very dangerous. A famipy milk cow is one of the greatest things but youre going to have a shitload of milk.

>>1101671
Is it not only dangerous if you leave it sitting out like a fucking retard? Then all sorts of bacteria get at it. I thought thats what it was.

>>1101828
yeah ive never heard that nonpaturized milk is specifically dangerous, just that its harder to transport and will only last like two days once it gets to you

>>1101845
Lasting parts not true. It's like regular milk. I usually drink the gallon within 3-4 days and it hasn't gone bad.

i dont farm myself but i know a family that did exactly what you seem to want to do, go into farming which they had no experience in and set up a family farm.

it makes like zero money and you will be hard at work all the fucking time.

but if that sounds fun to you, then youll enjoy it.

id recommend starting small and setting up a mini farm in your yard before plunging in to the point you cant get out.

>>1101828
When you leave it sitting out or when you combine the milk of many different cows and living conditions in factory farming make keeping milk from getting contaminated almost impossible so it must be pasteurized

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>>1101818
> were many many cow love together

>>1101922
Ah i see, you make more sense now, ching chong.
Would be nice to taste some real milk not this shit you get in the shops.

>>1101922
>more sense than ching chong
i should say. Dont know how i mistaked you for the other guy

>>1101989
Oh wait you are the same guy never mind

>>1101921
I'm a millenial. The prospects of living city life and posting up somewhere on green acres is definitely appealing.

The crime rate around my family farm is zero. LITERALLY ZERO. The last crime in our county was committed in 2001, when some guy got his generator stolen when he left his garage open one night.

The logistics and the reality of owning and operating a farm are a lot more than most people imagine.

People think, you just plant the crops in the ground, then 3 months later, you get cash.

Its not as simple as that. There are thousands of years of human history that go into raising crops.

My dads 1000 acre farm generates about $107k per year, not counting the multitudes of cost that it takes to keep it running.

Most "farmers" also have second job.