Im starting to meet a girl irl, we are dating using the old way.

FHRITP

>>745132985
What was the first date?

>>745133893
Well, we basically spent 3 days talking on whatsapp since we first knew each other. So the first date was just spending the whole day (17:00-23:00) talking at a comfy place with sofas and cushions, time flew away and it was night all of sudden. She cant walk a lot these days because she has a broken toe.

But repeating the same thing would be boring.

>>745134098
Do coffee or something causal. Not dinner and not a movie. Her not being able to walk ATM kinda kills all my normal go to ideas: like museums, aquariums or zoos

>>745134098
>>745134243
Or a very causal lunch where you can grab it to go and then eat at a park. Paying for her at this point is questionable depending on how physical and flirty things are.

What's wrong with fucking her on the second date?

>>745134243
I was thinking about dinner together, she goes out from work at 20:00 this saturday, so it would be an ideal time.

I also want to approach her more, its easy to get stuck on these kind of dates, and if that happens theres a high risk of becoming just a friend. If you just hang around and talking.

Having a dinner or a drink after could help.

>>745134402
I dont think I could pay or invite her, she is the type of girl who wants to take things slow, build up barriers and play the mysterious girl. If you try to approach or show you are the "alpha male" then its over.

I want just that, try to get near her, earn points, and going a bit further without involve sex. Just like Ive said, how dating used to be without the internet.

>>745134611
Nah it's sat, ask her out for a couple drinks after work, keep thing flirty but nothing crazy. You got to be a little mysterious to. People want this they can't have so a little alpha is needed but not Chad thunder cock style. How bad is her toe? Is there an aquarium nearby? Call them ask if they have any wheelchairs for the handicapped to borrow. Jokingly ask her if you rented her a wheel chair would you go to an aquarium with me?

>>745134611
Just maintain control of the kino, and you'll not end up as friends. The big thing is establishing that physical intimacy--even if it's not sexual or even particularly close--so that it leaves all the avenues open to you on later dates.
A lot of guys never physically engage with their dates, so when they look to make a move - even if it's just kissing - that distance becomes insurmountable

>>745135233
Im thinking in taking her hand after a couple of hours or in a nice moment. Dating like this feels like going on the tightrope all the time.
Maybe its just a few words or acting and everything goes south.

Told her Ive thought about a couple plans for us this saturday, didnt tell her which ones. This way she has that curiosity until tonight when we start talking again.

Too much overthinking usually is bad for me too.

>A lot of guys never physically engage with their dates

Thats what Im trying to avoid. Second date and I dont approach her, then it will be a lot harder and she may start looking to me as just a friend or another guy more.

>>745135406
This is a good video on kino, so far as they go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmZa-dtruFI

Be aware of the various types of stages; there are no hard and fast rules, but you need to be aware that romance has certain physical 'checkpoints'. You need to move steadily through them at times that are appropriate (slow enough for her, and fast enough so that you don't choke yourself out of the game). Use practical reasons to socially frame touches. You need to establish yourself as a relatively touchy (but *respectfully* touchy) guy early on in the relationship.
If you use the right social frames to each touch, it'll come off as not-awkward; it'll be completely natural, and she'll eventually just integrate your physical intimacy into her perception of your relationship.

Just use the right ones at the right time, and nothing too sexual if she's the reserved type - You'll be seen as creepy and blow your chances.

>>745134611
Dinner is WAY too formal right now.
Dinner=date, and you're not "dating" yet.
Do lunch. That way if shit goes down and goes boom, it's not a big thing in your mind, or hers.
Afterward, take her to a park with water or a riverside, sit on a bench or a table and just talk. Humans are naturally drawn to and comforted by the presence of water, so use that to your advantage. I would suggest some other more active thing, but when she's got a broken toe it is what it has to be.

When you DO start going to dinner, choose a non-"date night" evening. Not only are Friday and Saturday nights usually packed everywhere you go, they are also a public statement of "we are dating", and you don't want that yet (and she might not either). Monday-Thursday nights only until you seal the deal and are ready to take the plunge.

When are you calling her for follow ups? More time (up to 5-6 days) before you call is generally better, as it implies you are busy, perhaps fucking other women , and thus higher status.
And speaking of status, woman sincerely believe the notion of "all the good men are taken", and the best ones take that as a personal challenge. If they can steal a good man from another woman, it means she has higher status than her competition and she wins the game of getting a better man.
To that end, ensure that you are a high status man in women's eyes. Keep looking-and fucking-around, it matters more than you know. This one may or may not last, so make sure you keep yourself in the game by having two or three you are dating at least weekly and another few you are on a friendly basis with and perhaps ready to start dating should any of the others dump/get dumped by you. That way if one woman goes away NBD, you still are fucking two others and can bring a third one in when the time is right. That will keep your head clear and emotions unaffected by any one woman leaving, which keeps you radiating the aura of a high status man.

>>745135707
Nice reply, she is too shy and reserved, only a few guys could get to her in the past. And you notice that at the first moment, not like the usual slut who says that but acts in another way.

Im having a difficult time on when to write her first, if I have to wait for her to make the first move, or for asking her out. As I said, she is too old-school and likes slow-paced things.

I keep looking Im busy, lot of work and things to do during all day, even if Im really in the sofa or lurking /b/.

This is truly hard, but all my previous relationships which started online ended up as failures, cheating and lies. So this time I want to try something different, and if this girl has these many filters, its always a good signal.

>>745135406
Your instincts are right. You need to break the touch barrier. Touch her arm, the back of her hand, her neck, hair, whatever. She needs to FEEL you for herself. We are physical beings, get tactile.

The worst she can do is say no

>>745135966
Women want A MAN, but asking them to define what that means is like the Supreme Court's definition of porn-I can't tell you what it is, but know it when I see it.

Crib notes from what I learned:
In her eyes, a MAN acts, chooses, and does things.
He is decisive, prepared (with a Plan B, plan C, and perhaps even Plan D), has friends, is social and is busy.
He is also fit enough to fuck her brains out and MAKE her (not just get her to) cum.
He can dance (can you? Women associate dancing with foreplay and fucking, so learn. Take lessons if you have to.)
He is in touch with his emotions and familiar enough with them to show them to her. Most guys aren't, and have learned from age 9 or before to hide them. And yet your emotions are written all over your face no matter what, and women can read them like a book anyway. Get used to letting yourself REALLY feel what's inside of you, starting when you're alone. Think shit through, get sad, get angry, and let tears flow. When you are in touch with what you are REALLY feeling, women will know and respond to it positively.
Also, a man does not bullshit her. Women live in a world of bullshit, status games and manipulation, and have lived in it since they were born. It is their natural environment, they know what it looks and sounds like, and they can smell it a mile away. If they catch a whiff from you, you are gone.

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Nice advices and tips on this thread guys.

Compared to online dating where everything is much easier and its almost done from the beginning, this old fashioned dating game its a totally different thing.

Wish me good luck with this girl, I really think she could be the one

>>745137376
It is, but it's also what you were wired to do. You can do this
This is natural, that is not.
Good luck.