Can you believe that there were people so fucking stupid they

>>744988242
>lol i want to pay more for health care
Why are Americans so fucking stupid?

>>744988242

Yes I can imagine that. I think you're using hyberbole as a sort of strawman tactic. Why do you think people are so stupid they wouldn't point that out immediately?

>>744988242
>huuur durrr I'm a bernie supporter, just promise me free shit and I'm yours

Imagine someone that comes by and picks up your trash every week that you don't pay for but gets paid by someone else because it's a facet of life in the 21st century

Crazy right? That could never exist, whoever wants their trash picked up would need to pay the person to do it and nothing else would work

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>>744988242
Mostly college age liberals who want free everything. They don't realize how much free healthcare or free college really costs. They think everything would be the same except free. They don't realize that to pay for state sponsored healthcare the money would be taken from somewhere else and taxes would go through the fucking roof.

>>744988386
I assume the people who voted for him are blithering morons because they voted for him. It's like seeing a guy eating dog shit, except with college kids who want free shit.

>>744988621
Mostly middle-age conservatives who want free everything. They don't realize how much free not paying their employees or their pensions really costs. They think everything would be the same except free. They don't realize that to pay for corporate bailouts the money would be taken from somewhere else and taxes would go through the fucking roof.

>>744988647

Not compelling or well thought out, but I don't expect much from here. I do the same thing too so it's okay.

>>744988621
How about that magic money you're talking about coming out of the billion dollar defense budget???????

>Live in Australia
>Have fairly major surgery coming up soon
>Not worried in the slightest because I know it will basically be entirely free
>No loan needed, Absolutely no financial difficulty whatsoever

>>744989104
Oh and higher education can be paid for with a deferred loan from the government (HECS) which only increases with inflation and only needs to be paid back when you earn more than a certain threshold, then paid back slowly through your taxes

>>744988242
>free higher education
>pay teachers more

These aren't mutually exclusive concepts, despite what the image says.

>>744989390

lol asking brainwashed people to reason

good luck with that

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>>744988904
Whose gonna police the world without our military? Should we let Russia take that job, or the EU maybe? See how that works out?

>>744989576
Not funny my brother was born rarted.

>>744988242
>Trump turned out to be lame so I am going to make fun of a guy he didn't even run against.

Stay mad at your terrible decision. I hope your low skill low wage mining job is the best you will ever get in life

>>744989488
can you say irony

>>744989104
nice 1 m8
I really do envy all the other western countries that weren't flooded with poor immigrants. Universal healthcare would be a cinch if the US had the demographic of basically any other western country.

I like bernie and think that he is a good man who cares about people. I think medicare for all is a good idea.

I don't think completely free college tuition is a good idea or should be merit based.

I also think he would have been a total cuck on foreign policy as he erroneously believes that all state actors are reasonable.

He also isn't electable by the general public. People who disagree are just wrong.

>>744989722

Doesn't work

>>744989700

BRAINWASHED TRUMP REDNECK FAMILY VALUE IDIOTS

>>744989941

Man you could have been fun but you just made it about you.

Had the same thing happen in England, all the kids and retards thought Corbyn would win because he's an old man who wants to make everything free AND THE RICH WILL PAY FOR IT!!!!! Because what could go wrong there and then lost by an enormous amount... But hilariously claimed it was a victory

>>744989390
>Went to school in a country that isn't the US so have a basic understanding of economy and funding of government entities
>Understand that taxing corporations more, taxing religious organisations, and spending less on military would create a huge amount of wealth for healthcare and education


3 of my grandparents beat cancer due to free healthcare in the UK, all of my grandparents still alive (one pair in 90s, one in mid 80s)
I had free braces, never had to pay due to aliment in my whole life, and I'm never going to be thrown into thousands of debt for needing to get better.
You republican fucktards are so incredibly dim. Bunch of fat neckbeards clawing at an attempt to seem intelligent to anonymous strangers, by vastly miscalculating budgets, ignoring logic, and using buzzwords as a thin facade for their pedestrian understanding of economics.

>>744988242
Higher education as in collage the teachers need to be paid better does not cover this that is for the public school teachers. They have nothing to do with one another.

>>744990282
>taxing corporations more
You mean raising prices of all goods and services while also creating unemployment and wiping out small businesses

>>744990223
no one thought corbyn was going to win.
Tory majority was always the prediction, but they ended up losing a huge amount of their seats from parliament. Labour did not expect a majority win, tories shooting themselves in the foot was the best outcome for them, and it happened.
You really don't understand UK politics, I hope to god you aren't a registered voter. Do you know how to tie your shoelaces?

>>744990435
Yup, that's exactly what happens when you tax a corporation more. You an oxford economics graduate?
Don't worry, the McDonald's you frequent will still be up and running, and the prices will stay the same.

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>>744990731
>corporations will take the tax hit without raising prices
Which is why the price of Tobacco, alcohol, and other products individually taxed by states is all uniform.

>>744990468
Lost a small number of seats while taking out UKIP entirely and getting the largest popular vote ever as well as taking 2nd place in Scotland - and of course, fortified the Brexit position which is what it was all about. Tell me more about how you're such an expert

>>744990731
>be corporation
>forced to pay extra so that peasants can smoke more
>"this is fine, we won't change a thing"
Is this what you really think

>>744989999
Nice quads libtard

>>744991253
>be corporation
except that is impossible. Sure, we yanks have given it individual rights as a person, but we still don't believe we can be one.

>>744991511
Corporations are still made of people, people who want profits. You are genuinely retarded if you think ANY business will sit back and take massive losses without changing their cost structures

>>744991804
>made up of people who want profits
Shareholders are who the corporation is beholden to. Employees are easily discarded and replaced/outsourced. Want to take a guess who the shareholders are?

>>744989488
>Went to school in the US.

>>744988242
alright OP you can calm down now

>meanwhile in the whitehouse

>cut taxes
>increase our already unnecessarily large military budget

>>744988242
He lost what ..10 months ago?

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>>744988242
>They fell for the free shit meme
Hey its all free. Not like anyones gonna pay for it

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>>744988242
he was very obviously the only halfway decent person running with half a chance in hell of winning, even if that is moreso because the other options were both narcissistic fuckwits without a care in the world beyond their own image and well being than his own political stances.

>>744993772
This is 100% accurate.
Who in the fuck is going to take care of all the bums that dand free healthcare.
Yet sit on their lazy ass and dont work.
"Hey its free. Pass the buck. The rich will pay"

>>744993772
The one on the right is so reductionist it's unreal. Are they saying everyone in the NHS, for example, is akin to a slave?

>>744988242
>button 3: taxes on the 1% should be higher and loopholes should be closed
>*presses all buttons*
there I fixed it

>>744994100
Hes a doctor, dumbass

>>744993772
>I suggest we take some tax money and use it to pay doctors to treat people who cannot afford to pay the doctor themselves
>HE WANTS TO ENSLAVE ME AND MAKE ME WORK FOR POOR PEOPLE!

What a bunch of pedantic bullshit. I voted for ron paul in 2012, but rand is a fucking ignoramus on par with the rest of the usual republican dunces.

>>744994156
WIN.RAR :))))))

FINALLY THE FUCKING RIGHT ANSWER

>>744994195
>Calling someone a dumbass for not wanting to pay for all the free shit Bernie cuckold sanders offers.
Youre the dumbass. All Bernie does is blame the rich and claim he will guve away free shit. Except its not free. The middle class will be hammered

>>744988242
why cant we have both? i mean the us spends 100 times more money on military than we do education so maybe just even it out a little

>>744988242
> Hurr durr murrica, me need no insurances, healthcare or whatever
> Hello it's me Irma
> Hurr durr i'm so fucked because of hurricane. How to get rid of debts
> muh america

Same with you or someone you love stroke, cancer, bypass, any other illness that causes chronic illness, accident, ... Murricans are just stupid ... They think they all will never get in such a situation until they are in it.

And if you would cut your extreme high military spendings half then you would still have biggest militair budget and you could effort some proper education and healthcare

>>744988242
Bernie sanders would wipe the floor with trump.

all trump can shout about are mexicans

all Bernie Sanders can shout about is the failing exonomic orthodoxy of the past 40 years and how we must break from it

Trump has complaints, SANDERS HAS ANSWERS TO THE PROBLEM

>>744994048
There are plenty of non keynesian models that allow for this kind of thing. Here's an article if you're interested in the 'how are you going to pay for that?' question;

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/05/04/how-are-you-going-to-pay-for-it/

tl;dr-Not with taxes

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>>744994397
they've been getting hammered since Reagon by 'trickle down' - 1: lower taxes! Yay! 2: $ to offshore banks 3: poverty! (for everyone but me and my shitty kids :)
Real wages for the mid-income and down have been falling since then. The rich have been cucking the rest of us since then. Unless you're one of those like---seven people...you're just bending over when you vote for mainline republicans or dems

>>744994397
How will the middle class be hammered by tax raises though? you mean the middle class will be HELPED ???

Sanders is after the banks and big pharma, the cunts who pay no tax.

>>744994181
So? That doesn't clarify anything, he's still wrong for suggesting public sector workers are slaves.

>>744988242
of course higher education should be free and teachers should be paid more
those 2 are not mutually exclusive

why is this so difficult to understand, is it because americans are all inbreed peasants?

>>744994048
the us taxpayers pay for healthcare.
the us government allocates less money to military
this is a first world country and its supposed to be the best in the world. we should have free healthcare and free education. this far into the game we should have free food and free housing as well.

>>744993772
if a postal worker doesnt want to deliver mail, he loses his job. if a physician doesnt want to treat a patient, he loses his job. seems fair to me.

>>744994817
>Sanders is after the banks and big pharma, the cunts who pay no tax.
fucking this. His tax plan by a large margin targeted the highest brackets, whose rates have been plummeting since the spike required to fund WWII, not to mention the built-in discount due to inflation.

And that was why I feel justified even having flipped from ron paul (possibly the wackiest, most fiscally conservative fucker ever) to sanders (the wackiest left-wingnut ever). Ronnie was after the federal reserve like white on white rice. They both had their sights set on a real objective rather than pandering to empty bullshit like terrorism and fucking transgender bathrooms. Why the fuck can't anyone see the real issues?

>>744994820
I feel like you're lacking the reading comprehension skills to understand what's going on and what's being said. He's a doctor and the government mandating that healthcare is a right insists that people are entitled to his work as a right. They're entitled to his time as a right, implying he isn't free and would therefore lack his own agency. Read: slave.

>>744993772
You know that even some third world countries have an running free healthcare? US politics are fucked up

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>>744994820
>public sector wokers are slaves.
The presmise of Dr. Pauls argument is that he shouldnt be forced to work as a doctor to give free healthcare to 300million people in the US.
This is a free market captilist society.
Not a socialist country like Cuba.
His points are more then valid.

Furthermore. I take the word of a Docotr then I do a crack pot communist from Vermont. Who has never worked a real job in his life.
>hippie

>>744993772
Is Rand Paul taking drugs or what? What the fuck is he talking about? Has europe slavery? The fact you are arguing with such shit Just shows how fucking stupid you are

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>>744989104
>free

Confirmed retard, nothing is free. Go fuck an abbo

>>744995457
slaves don't get a paycheck from the government equal to the amount they would normally earn working for a private hospital, you knuckle-dragging half-wit. It is highly unlikely in any event that all doctors would be forced into working for socialized institutions, anyway. No well-off nation with socialized healthcare has completely dissolved private hospitals and doctors offices. Quit believing the scare-mongering bullshit and open your fucking eyes.

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>>744993841
> healthcare costs too much
> oh wait ... why do we have those debts again?

>>744994795
I take it you have never read a book in your life. Lets just say the rich have been outsmarting and holding the vast majority of wealth for centuries. The further back you go. The worse it gets.
Litterally.
I may add, stop with the straw man tactics. Blaimimg those with an opposing oppinion who do not drink the koolaide of a socilaist. "Free shit for everyone, now give me your vote!"
Doesnt work in Venezuela. Wont work here.

>>744995457
>He's a doctor and the government mandating that healthcare is a right insists that people are entitled to his work as a right.

They're not in a public healthcare system. He could work privately or stop working. False equivalence.

>They're entitled to his time as a right, implying he isn't free and would therefore lack his own agency

Except he has agency as identified above, and would be paid in line with his peers as in the NHS. What's your point here?

>>744995536
>The presmise of Dr. Pauls argument is that he shouldnt be forced to work as a doctor to give free healthcare to 300million people in the US.

And he'd never be expected to do that, even in a public healthcare system.

>This is a free market captilist society.

Which doesn't mean public services are written off, as in social democracies.

>His points are more then valid.

Still waiting on your explanation of why a public sector is slavery in that case.

>>744995836
>charts are facts

>>744995673
Go wait for next hurricane to fuck your life

>>744995935
> I dont know what the word source in the picture means
Typical murrica

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>>744989104

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>>744996251
>but it's okay if they take our money and property to keep failing banks, churches, and farms afloat, to keep perpetuating pointless wars in countries that don't fucking matter. Just as long as we don't help sick poor people. They're probably black anyway, so fuck them.

>>744995935
> when your iq is potato

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>>744995931
>They're not in a public healthcare system. He could work privately or stop working. False equivalence.
Your reasoning skills are poor. DOCTOR Rand Paul, is SUGGESTING that given Sen. Sanders premise that we switch to a national healthcare system. Which would define his outlook for "everyone is covered". That implies directly that such said services would therfore be provided by Doctors. The very same doctors whom practice privetly in a open market free capatlist society.
The direct opposite being France for example. In which they are payed roughly the same as all other doctors.
That is socialism, defined!
Now Dr. Paul suggests that he FEELS he would be forced to see people that the government mandates. And from which that implyes at any given time!
Choosing the word slavery was incorrect.
"Bondage" would likely be a more correct term to use.

shut up you fucking idiot

>>744996545
But that's not socialism defined at all, its your definition of socialism. As for him 'feeling' it would be the case, I thought we shouldn't let feelings come into politics? Regardless, its easy to compare to other social democracies with a private/public system such as the UK and see that that's not how its implemented at all. Its paranoid and reductionist, and its still not telling me why public sector workers are akin to slaves.

>>744988242
>shitty fallacies: the thread
no wonder you retards hate education. you clearly didn't get anything out of yours.

>>744988621
conservative dumb-asses think they tax-cut their way to prosperity

>>744996772
>feelings.
Those are his personal oppions. Ones that adults such as myself, take in to account.
>thats not socialism
France has National Healthcare.
If thats not socialism. Then nothing is.

>>744996813
>CUT THE TAXES
But how will we pay for things?
>REEEEE WHAT ARE YOU SOME KIND OF COMMUNIST

>>744997006
>If thats not socialism. Then nothing is.

O I AM LAFFIN

Good game anon, I'm out. Public sector is slavery and public services is the red menace. MAGA

>>744995836
> tfw when you realize if your country would cut their militair budget to 110 billion and still would have 30 billion higher budget than russia then it wouldnt have their 20 trillion national debt anymore and could afford easily free healthcare and lower taxes for anyone

>>744997153
No anon that's communism and we can't have nice things or the liberals win

>>744995713

It's not scare mongering bullshit, it's the logical conclusion if you weren't so far up bernie's ass you could think.


>>744995931

He can't work privately after healthcare is a right, and what if all the doctors took the same stance? From where would you achieve healthcare? Say just a portion of the doctors quit, do you have any idea how crowded and already overcrowded system would be? How high the rates would sky rocket?

Being entitled to someones time is the same as being owned. As is with being entitled to their labor, i.e. taxes. I'm not sure where you're getting off the rails here.

Perhaps it's that legally mandating citizens as your owner and not the government is where we're having the misunderstanding. His patients would legally have a right to his time instead of him choosing to provide. It's no longer a decision if it's forced at gun point.

>>744997153
> 20 trillion / 500 billion = 40
> you wouldnt have no more debts in 40 years and you could spend 500 billion in infrastructure every year

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>>744996545
your continual emphasis on him being a doctor shows that you're a moron that only knows how to appeal to authority figures. Not all doctors are smart. Being a doctor does not inherently make you any more intelligent regarding anything else than your specialization as a doctor. I've met plenty of stupid med students and doctors; plenty of rich kids who jumped into a profession they don't really care about beyond the size of the paycheck.

Yes, pure ad hominem, because you've successfully shrugged off every logical attempt by myself and others to explain to you that the concepts of being enslaved and working in a field in which you have the option to work at and be paid by government-funded or private institutions are not the same thing.

>>744988242

Teachers can get paid more while school is free.

Its what taxes are for you dumb imbecile.

>>744997097
You obvisously have NO concept of the difference between the number of citizens of France in comparison to America. Its just not feasible to provide free healthcare to 300+million people.
The economic cost would break the economy. An example is Social Security. Its scheduled to run out money in the near future. And that is a serice that is mandatory to pay in!

>>744997230
>He can't work privately after healthcare is a right
Yes he can, just look at examples like the UK

>From where would you achieve healthcare? Say just a portion of the doctors quit, do you have any idea how crowded and already overcrowded system would be? How high the rates would sky rocket?

Pure speculation, and easily disproved by looking at other social democracies.

>Being entitled to someones time is the same as being owned

So then all employment is slavery?

>As is with being entitled to their labor, i.e. taxes.

Not at all. Look into Tax Research UK, they have great examples of how taxation work that might help you better understand it.

>His patients would legally have a right to his time instead of him choosing to provide

I get this argument; if he's job is to treat everyone coming through his door and he doesn't have the right to refuse them then that's a bit of a liberty breach. That said, in working examples there's a functional private system working alongside most examples of public healthcare such as in Europe. He could chose to work there and retain this right so I don't see the problem. The idea that he'd be forced at gunpoint, rather than being able to leave his job, is also ridiculous.

>>744997392
No I agree you've convinced me healthcare is the work of the communists and all public sector workers are literal slaves. The US can't have healthcare because he's a doctor and he says so.

>>744988242
go back to /pol/ you fucking high school kiddie

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>>744997230
>He can't work privately after healthcare is a right
SAYS FUCKING WHO, YOU GOD DAMNED FUCKING MORON!? there is not a single fucking person with any fucking political power who wants to completely do away with private hospitals and doctors! You are completely misunderstanding how this proposed system should work, as well as the systems ALREADY implemented in dozens of countries with success. Where the fuck do you get this shit from? How can you actually be this fucking stupid? Are you simply TRYING to misunderstand? What the fuck.

>>744988904
>billion

Try adding a few zeros to that... t. 13 year old

>>744997314
By his logic Rand Paul himself is a slave because he is paid by government and all politicans are paid equally by rank

>>744997796
You don't understand anon, it's only communism if it's something he doesn't like

>>744997796
Hes a public servent. You would know that if you had the slightest clue about how government works.

>>744997314
His emphasis on him being a doctor isn't an appeal to authority it's correcting the notion that public sector jobs aren't what he's talking about. DOCTOR Rand Paul is referenced to show you that he's in the healthcare system and perhaps has some idea as to what it might do provided he actually reads the bills before he votes for them. It's for exactly the reason you've mentioned that a public health care mandate would be terrible. Everyone gets paid the same as their peers regardless of skill or ability. They only care about the paycheck, which is now just marginal. There is no incentive to go above and beyond what is necessary. (I.E. what private practice gives you) You'd become nothing more than a number on a chart and only that because it would be overcrowded and overused by every hypochondriac with diarrhea. Now stop attempting to show logical fallacies when you're not really clear on the subject at hand.

>>744997909
No. Hes smart enough to know the differnece between a private practice in the private sector. As opposed to being a public servent. In which his goal is to represent his constituants.
Im going to believe that such flew right over your head, btw.

>>744997392
Universal Health Care would save the people of the United States about $600 billion for the same level of care they're receiving. We found it would require an additional $562 billion in taxation to cover the government spending, after savings and increases to demand. Is a single-payer universal system worth it? As always, that's for you to decide – we're just here to give you the data that helps you make important decisions.

https://decisiondata.org/news/how-much-single-payer-uhc-would-cost-usa/

... Well cut your military spendings and its possible. Case closed!

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>>744997949
Thank you. You typed that much better then myself. Kek

These fucking cucks that voted for him deserve to be culled. . . Fucking commie shit stains. . .

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Statist cucks.

>>744998427
This

>>744998227
Im speaking from personal exsperice given my own personal job crteria.
America has cutting edge medical equipment. Why? BC of free market capatlism. Its just that plain simple.
Dump a ton a of money into a sector like medical equipment. And the result is a higher quality of care. As opposed to watered down free heathcare.

>>744998427
>being libertarian

>>744998427
> Says the guy paid by the theft money to help the theft rob an other country kek

>>744998227
Even if we cut the spending entirely it wouldn't cover the cost of healthcare here. Check your numbers and get back to me after you've figured out a calculator. His a tip, if you don't have one type "calc.exe" into your start bar. Mac users get cucked.

"Studies show" is the most horse shit, facebook tier bait ever. What studies? When? By who? Funded by who? Does the company have a vested interest of outcome or is it double blind? In this case, a "study" can be done by a high schooler and a calculator.

>>744998612
Liberty Memes

>>744997949
He ends it with saying 'that's what free healthcare would be'. As in practice this would be a public sector such as in the UK, he is very clearly talking about public sector jobs. Sanders isn't suggesting 'work for the state or it's the gulags', he's suggesting a social democracy where private sector and public sector work in tandem. To spin the argument to the degree that he has no choice but to work for the state is extremely reductionist, which is what has been being argued from the start.

As for the idea that public healthcare systems lead to a drop in standards, the exact opposite is seen in some countries with public healthcare. Standards are good until sections of it are privatized, at which point the generation of profit takes priority and spending is slashed, swiftly followed by a drop in standards.

>>744998427
hur dur taxation is theft

Things that apparently will be paid for by unicorn farts
HIghways
All public infrastructure
The military
Public schools
emergency services (dont fucking tell me you don't want the fire department if your house is on fire)


>being this fucking retarded

Taxes are a necessary evil. That said, we ARE taxed unfairly, and we do not get representation from our taxation

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Bernd you should not really open this topic. You are young, playful, everything's easy for you. This is an another thing. It's not Snowden and not even secret services archives. Better not to get into that. Seriously, any of you would deeply regret. Close the topic and forget what was written here. I full. I fully understand that this post incites additional interest, but I far the curious - stop. The rest will just not see it.

>>744998776
LOOK AT CANADA

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>>744998675
are you familiar with the concept of satire?

>>744998604
> Implying europe hasnt the better medical education
> The number of students who begin a medical education in Europe is far greater than the number who manage to graduate, unlike in America where almost all students admitted to American medical schools successfully finish their four year degrees to become doctors.

In European schools, students in much larger starting classes are systematically weeded out over their six or more years of study. Whereas admittance in the US almost certainly results in graduation

>>744998777
How were there schools and roads and a military before the government started taxing us before the early 1900's?

>>744998604
>sure, i can hardly afford to go to the hospital, but look at all the neat stuff they have!

>>744999009
>admittance in the US almost certainly results in graduation

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Not even 70% of people who start college graduate. And at a community college level its less than 50%


Fucking idiot.

>>744999009
In europe only the best become doctor, others are weeded out. In US near everyone becomes doctor. In Europe 6+ years university to become doctor. US 4 years. Kek

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>>744998777
Your argument boils down to "but muh roads". The free market can provide all services cheap and more efficient than Government.

>>744999020
Almost nonexistent

Are you seriously going to compare the highway system of the 1900s to 2017? Most of the roads were dirt and became 3 feet deep with mud every time it rained.

>>744999101
They talk about after admittance and specially about med. Think before you write.

>>744999117
>being this retarded

You can QUALIFY to get into med school after 4 years.

Becoming an actual Dr in the US is a roughly 10 year process.

Stop running your shitskin worshipping europoor mouth, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about

>>744988647

What's up with you 4chan autists?
Why are yall so obsessed with people eating shit?
You literally see everyone as eating shit they do something you don't like.
Are you a coprophiliac or something?

Also, did you vote for Trump?
If you did, you can't say a thing about Bernie voters. It would make you far dumber.

INB4: Killary, emails, jews, cuck, MAGA, white genocide, ect

>>744999226
what they said about med was completely incorrect.

Think before YOU write. They said becoming a Dr in the US only takes 4 years. You can't possibly be so stupid as to believe that.

>>744999243
So you think its different in europe?

>>744999226
And most people who enter med school graduate because its REALLY FUCKING HARD to get into med school. SO only hard working, smart people get in. Hard working smart people tend to be successful at things. So yeah, no fucking shit they nearly all graduate.

>>744999415
Evidently the retard who said it only takes 4 years in the US does.

>>744988242
hillary has said she wont be running for pres again

his chances are pretty solid at least primary side

I really can't think of any other dem worth the vote

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>>744999307
I voted for Trump just so a conservative would get to pick the next 3 supreme court justices. Just think, 5 conservative justices on the bench.

>>744999537
His chances are nonexistent.

The Dems are going to do the dumbest thing possible and run Warren. No matter how much support Bernie gets, they will find a way to hold it back and get Warren in as their candidate.

Which means another Trump victory. Its REALLY hard to beat a sitting president, even when he is an orange faced retard.

Its gonna be trump till 2024. You can bet on that.

>>744988242
Does anyone really think that after Kennedy there was a single president which represented US people?

>>744999579
Which means when a dem eventually wins, any 2A violating laws stand a good chance of being struck down.

>>744988242
I mean, stupid people also believed Donald Trump would become president as well, and look what happened.

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>>744999307
I voted for Trump, twice.
(Bc I know you are a European. I wont clue you in as to why I voted twice. You will just have to remain that ignorant.)
As for Trump voters being ignorant.
Hes deporting mexicans. Seated a conservative to the Supreme Court.
Stock market is at an all time high. For months. Hes protecting gun owners rights.
And more then anything. I like him and his family. And it brings me the utmost happiness to know hes pissing off all you European snobs.

>>744999658
Non US fag here, could the Republicans nominate someone other than Trump? I'd bank on them dropping him for next election if so.

>>744999129
Can we agree that libertarians are at least not as bad as what passes for "conservative" these days? The way I see it, some things are simply better organized and easier to deal with as an individual if they are simply left to government. This is most obvious in the case of roads, but I think it can be well applied in other areas, too. Obviously completely free market capitalism will afford the MOST EFFICIENT solutions, but the most efficient is not necessarily the best. When home electricity was first being implemented, for example, different companies would deliver different voltages at different frequencies and sometimes have different plugs, even, forcing you to buy THEIR appliances. This is efficient for a BUSINESS, but the individual is fucked over. This is WHY government exists: to give individuals with a common gripe a way to levy against larger entities. You have to pay to be in the club, but at least you have a fraction of a say.

>>744990223

Yep and now you retards have fucking Teresa May in charge and she thinks the novel 1984 is a to do list. Good luck with that troglodyte.

>>744990223
since when has anyone who went against the rich old fuckers won anything besides the communist party. They even got fucked in the end by rich old fuckers in other countries and then their own so it's like a systemic disease that collaborates to destroy socially beneficial systems. You could look at any system that has benefited a majority of the lower classes and see how they always end in one way or another by the hand of the wealthy elitist.

>>744999828
Shut up kid. Go back to eating rocks in your 3rd world shithole.

>>744999828
they aren't not allowed to, but it is very uncommon histocially.

>>745000071
>confirm your email
Go fuck yourself FBI

>>745000091
jesus christ, someone get this fucker his autism medication

>>744999960
US and UK are both fucked up surveillance & police countries. They are democracies but from law they are Not better than China or north Korea.

>>745000091
Sorry I don't have internet in my 3rd world shithole so I can't reply to this comment

>>745000115
Thanks anon

>>744993577

Cause random big numbers pulled out of someones fat sweaty ass are always reliable and accurate.

>>744993772
>medical professionals are some of the highest paying jobs
>somehow their income coming from taxes instead of private insurance companies makes them a slave when they're doing the exact same job

>>745000232
Dont talk about my President then. You 3rs worlder. Go suck on mama merkles titties. And dont forget to go work so you can help support your family of syrians.
European cuck.

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>>744999768

I live in Louisiana.
Any your use of the word "snob" tells volumes about you.

Let me take a whack:
you live in a single wide
meth addicted parent
lets be real, one of them left and shacked up with a mexican
You probably have a neckbeard and rarely leave the trailer
You have lots of guns and always thought Obama would take them
You'll be assblasted when Bernie Warren wins in 2020 after beating President Ryan.

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>>745000091
You mean this third world shithole?

>>744997153
As a European I'm glad the USA spends so much on military so I can sleep safe at night.

>>744998427
>taxation is the FT
what's FT?

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>>745000374
>m-muh presidint

these are one of those times I wish you were just a troll and I was falling for the bait

>>745000374
MODS underage

>>744988242

shariablue in the house

>>744996545
are you suggesting that someone's right to healthcare is dependent on the whims of a doctor or their income?

>>745000569
>>745000699
>>745000726
Being this triggered. What a bunch of slack jawed faggots.

>>745000853
Not only that, he's suggesting that public healthcare involved forcing said doctors to perform at gunpoint.

>>745000699
Why, you pussy. Im proud of Trump. I will be right back in line 2019 to vote for him again.
Faggot

>>745000571
Because who would attack european union? Thats just stupid. Beside the strategical point nobody attacks the european union with 28 countries + all NATO members. It would be suicide. The biggest threat for the world is and stays US.

>>744988776
in english please

>>745001037
So Nato stopped the violence in Africa during the Rowanda Genocide?
Or maybe they swept in and helped all those poor syrians being blown up by Russians? Nope
NATO is rather worthless without the US.

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>>745000998
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>>745000759

Appreciated.
Shreveport area.
Left the Orleans area after the company I was working for went belly up.
And to be real, I don't lean super left. More moderate in a lot of ways, but there are things I believe for the well being of the country(regardless political affiliation)
I don't ever really hate Trump voters or conservatives in general. All of my family are conservative to the bone.
I genuinely just want everyone to be okay or have the ability available to get there.
I also HATED Hillary.
The moment Bernie lost the primary, I checked out. Didn't even know who won on Nov 8 until the next morning at work.
I wasn't glad Trump won, but I love that Hillary lost and was so asspained.
It was a day of weird feels.

>>745001220
Damn. You look fucked up in that picture.
I kinda feel sorry for you. Not really.

>>744988242
>implies that education doesn't have too many adminstrative personnel
>t.future administrative jackoff

>>745000759


Appreciated.
Shreveport area.
Left the Orleans area after the company I was working for went belly up.
And to be real, I don't lean super left.
More moderate in a lot of ways, but there are things I believe for the well being of the country(regardless political affiliation)
I don't ever really hate Trump voters or conservatives in general. All of my family are conservative to the bone.
I just like to shitpost.

I genuinely just want everyone to be okay or have the ability available to get there.
I also HATED Hillary.
The moment Bernie lost the primary, I checked out. Didn't even know who won on Nov 8 until the next morning at work.
I wasn't glad Trump won, but I love that Hillary lost and was so asspained.
It was a day of weird feels.

>>745001220
not that anon...but thats a pretty awful retort.
step off the short bus please.

>>744988242
You can press both, but then also press "Rich people must pay more." But then rich people would get mad because they'll lose billions of money that would otherwise stay in rich families, maintaining class society and divisions.

>>744988551
By that logic someone else pays for the policemen who come and save your ass if you have a burglar. But we all know that everybody pays for the policemen.

By that logic somebody else pays teachers to teach in high school but we all know that is payed by everyone through taxes...

Its the same through free healthcare and free college

>>744988242
>I'm to stupid to understand how taxes can be used for things we need

>>745001214
>Or maybe they swept in and helped all those poor syrians being blown up by Russians? Nope
>implying ISIS and al-Qaeda weren't backed by the US for at least some part of their existence
Just admit you're a useless lying shit who can't keep a deal, and kill yourself. All 350 million of you.

>>745001284
Well. You are entitled to your vote.
Good luck to you. Im out of here.

>>745001437
Someone else does pay for the policeman, in fines and stupid laws.
Police exist to protect private property; anything else they do grudgingly.

>>745001427
why should we pay more?

>>745001427
No rich person would lose billions.
Collectively they'd lose, at most, a few million.

>>745001541
Because you have more money and you do less to earn it.

>>745001541
Beacuse you literally cannot profit without others losing, and you're a piece of shit who should be killed in the first place. Tell me why you shouldn't have your accounts frozen by the government this very minute. Tell me who would care about your corporate cocksucking ass.

>>745001586
huh..never thought of it that way


...probably cause it doesn't make any sense

>>745001437
Nothing is free in this world. Take that as a fact.
Maybe if your a big titty blonde hottie.
Then maybe.

>>744988242
>people still think their votes matter
>people still think which president is elected matters
>people still believe in matter
>nothing matters

>>745001214
Kek. So you want to tell me its not US intelligence which sponsors everywhere terrorists? US participated in 201 of 234 wars since 1945 and killed in that time of 30 million people of which around 90% were civilians. Same with syria, they gave "moderate rebels" weapons and gave iraq "freedom" and suddenly there is an terror state. Also you cant tell me US conquers iraq in less than 2 months but fights years against some militair without aircraft or intelligence service. Its all strategical. US is doing bullshit. Every country they give freedom is after it much worser than before. After US killed gadaffi, Lybia is now one of the capitals for human traffic. You are looking too much hollywood.

>>745001806
just shoot yourself then since nothing and no one matters please.

>>745001853
lead by example, not words

>>745001806
>>745001853
But take out a few corporate cocksuckers on your way, if you would.

>>744996211
>can't make a comeback so I'll call him an american
kek you're a fucking joke, please go an hero and do the world a favor

>>745001765
True. There's no reason to not pay for it as a society, except for the psychopaths who reeeeee about their supposed intrinsic specialness who should be institutionalized anyway.

>>745001992
Truth hurts, eh?

>>744988621
Or we just take 2% of our ridiculous defense budget and pay for it that way you shill

>>745001829
Only out my own curiosity. What country are you in? Im guessing turkey

>>745002078
anon just told you the truth.

>>745001992
> can't make a comeback
I think the fact that he is too stupid to read that the picture contains the source is comeback enough genius.

>>745001938
no thanks i enjoy living, you can go on and show the world you're a true hero

>>745002110
i like my defense budget. how about we tax college tuition about 2% to pay for the defense?

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>>745002078
still no comeback. still waiting.

So much anger in this thread.
Im old enough to remmeber the 90s.
World was a better place.

>>745002270
Kill yourself, neocon.

>>745002297
Keep waiting, amerifat.

>>745002303
i bet you still sing yellow ledbetter to yourself too

>>744988242
Yes, they're called "stoners".

>>744995836
>business insider
That liberal frount leftist shit rag?
You got to be kidding. Right?
Had you posted something from Newsweek, id know you were a real true liberal!

>>745002474
>business
>leftist
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

>>745002112
No, germany.
> inb4 racism incoming

>>745002389
you are gay.

so is the anon you're replying to

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>>745002389
I'm not even American, I'm Canadian. You honestly made me laugh so fucking hard it hurt. A person who's only response is calling them (and even assuming) they're an "amerifat" is laughable, the would would indeed be etter off without you, please do the word a favor and an hero.

>>745001541
there are millions of people working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week or more of physically and mentally demanding labor to barely afford to eat and sleep in a bed because someone decided they should get that million dollar bonus check this month and they better get that tax-funded corporate bailout RIGHT NOW or people are getting laid off!

>>745002474
https://sipri.org/research

>>745002578
and?
because one has, they have to give?

>MURICA

>Wastes trillions and trillions of dollars on endless wars because oil and military industrial complex
>Billions on keeping pointless military bases open in every country on the planet so they can compensate for their tiny cock
>Constant bailouts and corporate welfare for wallstreet and banks

>FREE EDUCATION? RIDICULOUS!
>FREE HEALTHCARE LIKE EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED NATION? PREPOSTEROUS!
>LIVING WAGE? SORRY PEASANT THE 1% NEEDS MORE PROFITS

Must feel bad being middle or lower class in America, you guys have the most corrupt government of any first world country by far
They don't even pretend to be for the people

>>745002567
>too lazy to look up a source
>thinks he hasn't earned the epithet amerifat

>>745002474
until trump came along they were anti-obama smear merchants.
it's not really partisan, just shitty clickbaiting.

>>745002746
It's not corrupt. It's exactly as the Founders intended.

>>745002474
Yeahr the important information is the publisher and not the source. You are disqualifying yourself.

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>>745002822
If only we had the same absolute trust in the opinions of 250-year old doctors and scientists, too. Such a shame.

>>745002746
Exactly this. Beside the "anti-terror" laws which allow prison without judges, surveillance of everyone and torture.

>>745003074
How many layers of sarcasm are you on right now?

>>745003074
>absolute trust in authorities because authority
drake.jpg

>>745002746
theres an easy fix...

don't be a faggot..work hard..and don't be at the bottom of the barrel

>>745000374
The irony of a stupid GOP cuck calling someone else a cuck.

Thinking the GOP has your interests in mind, even a little
>being this retarded

>>745003422
>thinking the other side actually thinks of you day and night
^--being this gay

>>745003368
Until ...Knock Knock.. WHO is there? Its me Irma :)

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>>745003256
too many for
>>745003325
apparently

>>745003368
>lol just don't be poour u litl faget

>>745000998
So basically, you are retarded.

He is a shitshow. What the fuck has he accomplished? You fucking trump supporters are as god damned retarded as the Obama supporters were. Seriously you are saying the same shit

During Obama
"Obama is an awesome president!"

During Trump
"Trump is an awesome president!"

Both types of people are fucking retarded. Trump has accomplished NOT.A.FUCKING.THING. And has backed out of nearly everything he promised you stupid fucks and you act like he is getting shit done. Just like the Obamatards did.

>>745003582
hi irma!

sorry i missed you. theres probably a good reason i left florida....

>>745003581
>thinking that oligarchs shouldn't be shot on sight
^- being this cucked

>russian-posting this hard
gotta earn your rubles somehow, right komrade?

>>745003625
well..dont be....
not a hard concept to understand

>>745003581
>>745003422
You are both stupid for thinking your government gives a fuck about you. It already legalized taking your freedom, observing and torturing you. If you make trouble you disappear if they even Care much enough about you for that. They probably just do it the legal way and get you into prison to the rest 3% of your population

>>745003656
I literally only voted for him so he could select conservative judges and to not pass restrictive gun laws. Pretty happy so far.

>>745003863
>select conservative judges
>muh supreem court
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

>>745003656
Not a thing
He nominated and seated a conservative to the supreme cout. If anything. That earned my vote over Hillary.
Hes protecting gun rights. Unlike Hillary.
Deportations are up 75%. Hes decimating mexican gangs like MS13.
The list goes on and on.

>>744988647
>college kids who want free shit
"Socialism is when the government does stuff for free. And the more stuff it does, for freer, the socialister it is." -Karl Marx

>>745003863
This

>>745003758
>still using 'cucked' like it means anything anymore
^---still being this gay

>>745003368
Imagine being this simple minded

>>745004020
are you poor?
if you were poor, would you do something about it?

>>745003995
>still using "gay" like it means anything anymore
^---still being this high school

>>745003926
Wasn't that Obama's neoliberal nominee in the first place, the one the Democrat Party pretended not to actually want while autistically screeching about shutting down Congress until he got a vote?
Why, yes, it was! Kill yourself, neoliberal.

>>745003926
WRONG
He hasn't done A SINGLE FUCKING THING for gun rights.
Where is the HPA?
Where is the bill that came after the HPA that should have been a slam dunk to pass?

And citation needed on "decimating mexican gangs" BREITBART DOESN'T COUNT so don't even bother.

I am a gun guy, Trump has been the biggest letdown the gun community has ever seen.


Him nominating a conservative to the SC is by default. Any GOP pres would have done that. That isn't anything special. And of course it got seated because with a GOP majority, well duh.


But yeah, don't even get me started on how fucking useless Trump is to the gun community.

But, I was not at all unhappy to see Shillary lose.

>>745003368
Yeah bro totally working hard is going to help dismantle an inherently unfair and repressive system that kills 20 million people every year
Pull up those bootstraps fucktard and maybe you won't have to die as soon as poorer people

>>745004268
>still taking my ^---- like it means anything anymore
I'm on your side faggot

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>>745003910
Hey, I'm sure RBG and Roberts are at the peak of health with them both being in their 80's and all. I'm sure that almost no 84 year olds die suddenly.

Just think, we'll have the SCOTUS locked down by a solid 5-2 majority for the next 30 years. Feels pretty good.

>>745004484
You're still a neoliberal, you're still sucking Obama's cock, and you should still kill yourself.

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>>744988242

>>745004484
I'm with you...
but 5-2? isn't there 9 positions?

>>745004484
I will litterally run down the street yelling and screaming when that bitch Ginsenburg kicks the bucket

>>745003368
Until an relative gets cancer or an stroke, accident or whatever and you have lifelong debts but still have to see your loved one die.

>>744988242
usually people hoping for something good are naive
dumbfuck nation deserves dumbfuck president , trump fits

>>744988242
>Can you believe that there were people so fucking stupid they thought Bernie Sanders would become president? And that they hope he runs again in 2020?

Compared to Clinton or Trump? Fuck yes.

>>745004674
As long as Team Oligarch has five, Team Red is happy. As if they all shouldn't be curbstomped tomorrow for being submissive cucks.

>>745004703
beign the right, I'm surprised by ginsburg sometimes
i have a long ways to go until i can run down the street screaming that sotomayer kicked it

>>745004918
why stop at 5?

Not much more stupid than thinking Trump would be president
They are both basically the same thing, populists appealing to shitty poorly people

>>745004703
Cool. I will literally run down the street yelling and screaming with joy when Washington DC gets nuked.

>>745004674
two are relative moderates.
>>745004584
I don't give a shit about Obama, he's a fucking nigger. One of the ancillary benefits of Trump being President is that it pisses Obama off.
>>745004918
If democrats stopped fucking with gun rights I wouldn't be in the republican corner.

>>745005032
Aside from that SCOTUS is an inherently bourgeois institution that needs to be abolished for the greater good, or that one conservative might actually have a moment of consciousness that more (((disciplined))) corporate lords should be around to counter, there isn't really any reason.

>>745005215
so without it, your solution would be?????......

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>>745001688
In any non-forced trade both parties benefit, or else they won't trade.
Also the economy grows over time, it's not a "fixed pie"
SHIT

>>744994795
I don't think you have even a retarded infants understanding of economics - how's that smart phone faggot

>>744989576

Why the fuck is the United States so paranoid that it feels the need to police the globe? You fucktards would have a lot less enemies and be involved in a lot less conflicts minded your own business. You would also have a feasible budget for universal healthcare and free college if you idiots reduced your defense budget.

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>>744988242
Progressives
The worse fucking thing to ever happen to the liberal party.