Personal values thread. I'm testing your values, anon.

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Also, I'll post some of the stats I've already collected from 4chan here. Bump if you're interested - it takes about 10 mins, so there will be some time before people who completed their tests start posting the results here.

This is gender on 4chan - dirty lies about 30% girls in the advertising section, mods.

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That's age - apparently older dudes go through this questionnaire more often, previous studies at 4chan had lower average age.

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And that's religiosity, with anon, regrettably, straying from God and the Prophet.

>>744856930
What the fuck is an other? Male or female. Pick one.

>>744858800
about 98% do pick one. But I only got 4 people upset at this question, and more than 10 who didn't identify with the binary. So you lose.

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And here are value differences between boys and girls.

Girls had significantly higher Hedonism, Universalism-Concern, Universalism-Tolerance, Benevolence-Caring, Interpersonal Conformity and Conformity for Rules.

Boys had higher Achievement and Autonomy of Thought values.

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Forgot to post the scores, dummy.

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And this is a 4chan value hierarchy based on the last 300 responses:

Autonomy-Thought - 14.25
Autonomy-Action - 14.02
Security-Societal - 13.04
Benevolence-Dependability - 12.96
Benevolence-Caring - 12.92
Security-Personal - 12.62
Achievement - 12.23
Universalism-Concern - 12.15
Hedonism - 12.11
Universalism-Tolerance - 11.39
Face - 11.23
Humility - 10.88
Stimulation - 10.72
Universalism-Nature - 10.68
Conformity-Interpersonal - 10.32
Conformity-Rules - 9.96
Power-Resources - 8.73
Power-Dominance - 8.36
Tradition - 8.06

>>744856875
Dude you're Musl... Fuck I couldn't say it, I puked in my mouth. Wtf is wrong with you? And for scientific purposes how is the feeling of fucking virgin goats?

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>>744862084
Islam is the religion with the strongest tradition of scholarship and reflection, as compared to dogmatic and rigid abrahamic religions of the West. What would be a good reason not to be a Muslim?

I fucking dare you.

>>744862562
>What would be a good reason not to be a Muslim?

muslims = subhumans, Simple.
Low IQ.
anti-science.
never invented anything.
still live in 16th century.
terrorist.
pedophile.
fuck their own daughters.
marrying someone other than sister is weird.
retarded.
inbred.
faggots.
tops the list of gayporn visitors.
no education.
poor.

Due to continues exposure to islam, muslims have become Subhumans.

>>744862562
So nice pork yum yum. And traps oh my goodness, traps are so hot. And girls willing to do it shamelessly hot hot hot. I've actually fucked a "muslim" girl and I liberated her. She wanted to change religion to marry me but I walked out

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>>744862934
You're just calling the white black.

Muslims have higher-than average iq:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
Islam is, again, the religion of scholars - it's much more pro-science than Christianity or Judaism
Muslims literally invented rocket science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world
Terrorists - well, yes. But there are terrorists of all other religious affiliations, too.
Pedophilia is a label.
Poor - right, tell that to the Saudis.

And so on. You, my friend, are humiliating yourself, desperately trying to slander the strength and glory of Islam.

>>744863335
The main question is how good is goat pussy.

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>>744863046
Well, I hope your pitiful sexual "adventures" give you meaning and direction in life.

When it comes down to what your life was worth, what you have achieved and what you meant to people and God during your lifetime, I guess you'll have to say "I love bacon".

>>744863412
Why are you kafirs so absorbed by your penises and where they should or shouldn't, can or cannot be stuck in? Many things are worthy of respect in the decaying Western civilization, but the sexual repression and shame are a constant source of amusement.

>>744863335
Anyone who believes there is a great daddy in the sky is an idiot.

>>744863598
>kafirs
What does this mean? I am not going to search this out of disrespect for you.

>>744863674
The Big Bang theory explains nothing of the origins of the universe, according to its authors -- it is still a great mystery. And anyone who doesn't wonder about the creation is surely a much larger idiot than the one who accepts a strongly corroborated explanation.

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>>744863829
A non-believer.

>>744862562
>Dogmatic and rigid Abrahamic religions of the west

Islam is an Abrahamic religion.

As for your question, one good reason not to be a Muslim is because of the way Islamic law treats women, gays, and non-believers.

>>744863335
>Muslims invented rocket science

>Rocket technology was adopted from China in the 13th century. In c. 1275, Hasan al-Rammah described "...an egg which moves itself and burns."[17]

Looks like you just borrowed it, Ali. You didn't even accomplish anything with it either. Who went to the moon again?

>>744856875
I scored low on everything. Does that mean I'm without value?

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>>744864357
Yes, but it's not a Western abrahamic religion.

And Islam treats women and non-believers way better than Christianity. For gay people, in both the punishment is death, Christians just stopped enforcing it without a theological explanation - which basically shows you how strong is their faith.

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>>744862934
Harsh but true.

>>744864629
In that case, it would be more important to look at what values are more important than others, what is your hierarchy, and compare it to the one from a big 4chan sample: >>744861432

>>744863046
Agreed, muslim girls here fuck crazy because all their dads, brothers and cousins rape them

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>>744864564
We conquered half of Europe with it (and, well, with other technologies). Our largest mistake was abstaining from colonization in the 17th-18th centuries, but that mistake will soon be fixed.

>>744864676
>Islam treats women better
So is that why the incidence of rape in Islamic countries is so high?
>Islam treats non-believers better
Is that why Islamic countries kill apostates and used to impose jizya on Christians and Jews?
>For gay people, in both the punishment is death
Sure, and Christians rightly stopped fucking murdering people because the Old Testament told them to. Your people still do it daily. You kill people because your faith is guided by the morality of 7th century desert bandits.

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>>744864676
If the muslim world is so morally correct...
Why do they fuck their cousins so much? Why did they never cure a disease? Why did they never win a nobel prize? Why does freedom of the press not exist over there? Why do they have mobs throwing rocks over a fair trail? Why is everything outside tourist zones shit? Why would they all get wiped out by Israel if it used nukes? Why is quality of life so low? Why do they all drive much shittier cars over there? Why is EVERYTHING much shittier over there? Why do people have to fuck goats and little boys for fun?

Muslims have a 10 year old's mentality, which is why their contributions to science and treatment of women both match a 10 year old's mentality.

>>744864984
>Conquered half of Europe

The conquest of Spain was in the 8th century. The Franks stopped the Muslim advance at the Pyrenees. Then the Spanish and Portugese spent the next few centuries forcing you out.

The Ottomans made it to Vienna, but their empire began to collapse after they were defeated there.

Every time you try to invade Europe you get destroyed and the backlash always hurts you more than it hurt us.

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>>744865028

Under Sharia law, the punishment for rape is either flogging or execution. Rape rates in proper Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia, are actually among the world's lowest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Saudi_Arabia

And apostates are not non-believers and not people of the Book. They are our business.

You say that Christians are rightly abandoned the commandment they were given from God - well, I guess I know where you stand in this whole religion thing, shaitan.

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>>744864564
>Looks like you just borrowed it, Ali.
This, it's the entire basis for the islamic golden age fallacy, The supposed 'Golden age of islam' was rooted on pre-existing Greek/Assyrian/Roman achievements which were simply 'rediscovered' or 'regurgitated' following the conquest of previously Christian regions by warmongering Muslims. On the other hand the 'Dark Age' of Christendom is most definitely a Muslim achievement given it was the direct result of violent Muslims invading and conquering the majority of the Christian world between the 7th-8th centuries.

Islam has never spread or improved civilization - it has only conquered already developed regions only to (over the course of a few centuries) turn them into backwards muslim sand toilets.

>>744865264
Religion is just an ideology. Why should you be allowed to murder people who were born into that ideology and then reject it?

Like I said earlier, your source of morality is a little flawed to begin with, seeing as it stems from a desert warlord who declared war on his home city, raped, murdered and pillaged, and took a 9 year old girl to bed.

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>>744865109
Repeating lies won't make them true.

>Why do they fuck their cousins so much?
You're thinking of american rednecks.

>Why did they never cure a disease?
Cured plenty: http://www.historyonthenet.com/6-important-islamic-advances-in-medieval-medicine/

>Why did they never win a nobel prize?
Because they're awarded by fucking king of Norway. But wait, still won 12.

>Why does freedom of the press not exist over there?
If you think that FOX or CNN are more independent than Al-Jazeera, you're delusional.

And so on and so forth, not a single of your implications is true.

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>>744865365
Every golden age of everything is rooted on pre-existing thought and technology.

>>744865264
Become an Orthodox Christian. Convert to the only right and true religion. You will find the greatness of Orthodox Christianity. Realistically it's the best way to achieve higher levels of spirituality and connect with God and Jesus Christ

Psst, their justice system has their own idea of what rape is.

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>>744865571
Yeah, right. The religion that has brought Greeks and Russia to their rightful place in the world - that's the true source of awe and greatness!

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>>744865365
>Muslims never invented anything

Not quite true. They pioneered algebra and made many advanced in optics, navigation, cartography, and engineering. I disagree with Islamic ideology, but I wont ignore the historical contributions of the Islamic world.

>Dark age was caused by Muslims conquering the Christian world

Not really. The "Dark Ages" in Europe followed the fall of the Western Roman Empire in the late 5th century. Muslims invaded Spain and Sicily in the 7th century but that's hardly the majority of Europe.

>>744865451
If you have to harken back to medieval achievements to display Muslim scientific skills, then maybe your skills are not what you think they are.

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>>744865692
Well, even among the kafirs you find people with respect for the truth.

>>744865670
That's alright, hate, prove what islam is all about. I, as an Orthodox Christian, invite you to see the absolute greatness of our only loving church. Amen

>>744865762
You literally quoted a post referencing Muslim nobel prize winners.

>>744865451
>Because they're awarded by fucking king of Norway.
What

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>>744865670
Islam is incomparable with Christian values and people just don't want retarded violent muslims in their civilized homelands.

Social rules are what separate the people from the animals, the clean from the dirty and the civilized Westerners from the muslims.

>>744865962
3 Nobel prizes for science. 2 for chemistry and 1 for physics.

Even then, the winner for physics was disavowed as "not a real Muslim" after the fact by Pakistan, his home country. He also worked in cooperation with non-Muslim colleagues and shares the laureate with them.

So.... in 116 years, only three Muslims have made Nobel worthy advancements in science.

>>744866193
Well, since most Muslim Nobel are peace prizes, that actually makes sense. They are awarded in Norway.

>>744858947
>But I only got 4 people upset at this question, and more than 10 who didn't identify with the binary.
Who cares about the opinions of snowflakes and delusionals though.

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>>744866317
If you don't let them be their own special snowflakes, they'll answer "male" or "female" and will merge and contaminate the rest of the data.

>>744862934
This is a very good argument to keep muslims completely out of civilized western countries. Keep these backwards barbarians in sand land.

>itt mudslime tries to recruit stupid people into joining jihad
>mfw mudslide doesn't realize he's way more retarded than the 4chan community
Kek

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>>744866277
You can say it's not a lot, but Nobel prizes are a political exercise. You can see how many Jews get prizes for the discoveries made by others. Anyway, I was just replying to the guy who asked why Muslims never won Nobel prizes.

If you really believe in Islam, you are immune to evidence.
If you really don't believe, you fear being treated as an apostate (which means killed)
So either way, you would try hard to make us believe it was your choice.

Why do ex-muslims have such a different story to tell? Could it just be that you are lying out of fear?

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I am a sex offender. These are my results

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>>744866562
Why would ex-muslims have a different story to tell than muslims? Is this a serious rhetorical question?

If people abandon the religion, they have to justify it to themselves, not the other way around.

>>744866308
Touche

>>744866562
Most likely, Islam kills apostates. By contrast Christianity attempts to get you to go back to church.

>>744866770
Guess which one is more effective and is the fastest growing religion?

>>744866798
Fastest growing religion due to high birthrates.

Good luck when there isn't enough water in the MENA to support all of you. Hopefully the borders will be closed by then.

>>744866798
Islam I imagine, but growing with useless retards because Islamic countries have dogshit education systems.
The Taliban in Pakistan came to power by coming to towns and spamming their batshit ideas to the uneducated plebs via radio. In my secular AAA country this couldn't happen. Horseshit ideas simply get crushed and made fun of.

>>744866740
Why does his shirt say "Terorist"?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

>>744866957
Fucking kek

>>744866957
triple lol

>>744866277
>So.... in 116 years, only three Muslims have made Nobel worthy advancements in science.

Quelle surprise. And I'm guessing these '3' were western educated/westernised sandmonkeys?

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>>744866942
You'd be correct.
Your secular AAA country spreads ideas that are pleasant to the lusty majority, and true but unpleasant ideas don't fly. It's understandable, but it's also the way of degradation.

The west has incredible productivity by making fat bacon-lovers jump through corporate hoops, but true faith and unshaken belief in moral imperatives has been shown by history to be superior to money over and over again. You can enjoy it while it lasts, but I hope you see the light before this charade collapses onto itself.

>>744866740
You are only saying that because your fellow muslims would kill you if they knew the truth - that you don't believe in any magic, whether Mohommad flying on a horse or water into wine.

I understand your fear. It must be very difficult to maintain your facade of belief. You have my sympathy.

>>744867271
2 out of 3 are. Abdus Salam is a genuine Pakistani nuclear physicist.

>>744867394
He is, although it is very interesting that Pakistan disavowed him after, saying that his sect of Islam isn't "real Islam".

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>>744867354
I'm on an anonymous imageboard, my friend. I can say whatever I want, and I speak from my heart when I say that there is no God but Allah and Muhhammad is the Messenger.

>>744867668
God is everything, allah is nothing

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>>744867763
You'll find out soon enough.
Others approve of you swearing at God, and you feel safe. When the time comes, your life will not be evaluated by your peers, and nothing will be forgotten.

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>>744867394
So one genius outlier amongst an billion strong ocean of shitstains.. Color me surprised lol

>>744868053
>Italy and China having higher IQ's than UK and, Israel, and US

Yeah, this is accurate.

>>744867668
Isn't Mohommad the storybook character who rides a winged horse into the sky, marries a child, and consummates the marriage before she is 10 years old?

You think this 'messenger' is worth following TO THE LETTER?

If your god is a real god, I'm sure he will deny these charges, or by leaving them unchallenged, prove he agrees.

>>744867763
Allah is originally a pagan moon goddess originating from the area mohamed lived that is why islam is symbolized by a moon. Their so called (((god))) is a female.

>>744867918
I have found already and I have peace and love in my soul. Convert brother and see the God given light

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>>744868233
Well, which part is the most difficult for you?

"Childhood" and pedophilia are social constructs, not a long time ago 18yos in Europe would be considered old maidens. There is absolutely no harm for the child in sex.

The winged horse is a one-in-the-history event, so there is no possibility to study it, refute or prove that it happened. It makes sense to me to believe in the literal version - on the merit of the rest of the Holy Book - but you may not, there is no way to settle that dispute scientifically.

And God would not answer charges from men, that's not how it works.

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>>744863046
Did someone say pork?

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>>744868132
China doesn't look right at all, also the Middle East is way too high, arab IQ is sub 70 in the backwater islamic regions

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>>744868441
I have a magical charm which negates all magical effects within a 50m radius. This charm dispels souls, prevents all magic effects (such as miracles) and works without fail.

How do you tell the difference between the world within that radius, with the world outside of it?

Your fairy stories are not even good as fairy stories. They fall apart with simple questions like:
'how do I tell the difference between your god and a fake god used to manipulate people?'

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>>744868264
That myth was actually refuted as early as the 10th century by Ibn Battah. Not that you care.

>>744868328
I'm glad you have peace, brother. Let Allah have mercy on you.

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>>744864984

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>>744867668
This bait is just too strong.

Islam was built on culture of warriors - Muhammad was a warrior, and a very cruel one at that. Islam is very categorical and violent not just towards people of different faiths but also towards its own people (shia - sunni).

Terrorists are far more numerous among muslims than among other denominations. Even if the sheer numbers fail to convince anyone, the number of people supporting the idea of a modern caliphate is staggering. Furthermore, Islam infects the daily lives of every believer - they demand to be tried according to Sharia law, in polls they support violent punishments for religious crimes. That is scary - people living in Western societies, those very people that enjoy the fruit of a culture based on inherently Christian values continue to support barbaric and backward practices.

The mullahs are another good example of widespread radicalization. They maintain a very narrow and literal interpretation of the quran, they encourage people to stick to everything - good or bad - that that book preaches, they often indoctrinate and radicalize their congregations.

The Arabic world was prosperous before the introduction of Islam - science prospered, there existed huge libraries, artists were numerous. After the introduction of Islam the Arabic population descended into dark ages - being an aggressive military state does not count as 'prospering'.

I am an atheist, but I fully understand the role of Christianity in the creation of the Western prosperity. It reflects the inherent human morality, it provides the medium in which a society can flourish. Islam propagates "humility" towards itself and aggression towards everything and everyone else. Christianity propagates a strong individual that is wise enough not to use his strength unnecessarily.

Come on, Anons, stop replying to the shitposter.

>>744868770
Triggering a Muslim is always fun

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>>744865264

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>>744868698
As there are no modern miracles, if your device existed, it would be impossible to test.

As for how do you tell the difference - as long as the fake god does the same things and says the same words as Allah, there would be no difference. But then that fake god would be Allah. The good part is that there is no fake god, and the Allah's word has only one source, so that question doesn't really threaten anything.

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>>744865840
The truth!

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>>744866253

>>744868441
>there is absolutely no harm for the child in sex

Wew.

Say whatever you want man, but Aisha was nine years old. No nine year old girl is capable of having babies. It's wrong and you would know that if you weren't a Muslim.

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>>744868885
The problem is, you just fill 4ch with muslim memes.
And the majority of anons fail to present any thought through arguments or quality bait, so it makes their position seem kinda weak.

I'm still waiting for the muslim shills reply to my post.

>>744868981
There are hundreds of gods. How do I pick the correct one?
So far, If they are all equally ridiculous, I treat them all as fairy-stories believed by the naive and malicious.

So far, they are all equally ridiculous.

Your Mohammad, for example, stole his stories from his dying victims. This makes it clear that chanting 'religion of peace' is really taqiyya, and at its bottom just political assholes trying to frighten idiots.

Works better with some people...hmmm...

>>744868981
>allah
Assad shows his true face by slaughtering his people in the name of the false dung heap you call allah - may his name forever be grunted by the pigs of this world.

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>>744868770
>christianity propagates a strong individual that is wise enough not to use his strength unnecessarily.
And you're calling me a shitposter. Christianity was used for so much subjugation and imperialism it's hard to quantify. The missionaries taking children from their parents, the unquestionable authority of the Pope, the filthy wealth of Vatican and the unprovoked crusades against the muslims are your reflections of inherent human morality?

That's disgusting.

>>744869154
Muslims don't reply, they dictate!

>>744868885
I only see a pseudo-atheist triggered here.

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>>744869154
What's your post you wanted a reply to?

>>744869204
Inshallah, brother.

>>744868441
>There is absolutely no harm for the child in sex.
Haha there it is. You prophet fucked kids and your people let him. Hope you don't have any daughters because they will have a cunt like a wizards sleeve by the age of 10

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>>744869230
>unprovoked crusades
One doesn't even need to know the real history to know that this is bullshit.

The world is never black and white (unless you are a theist of one flavour or another)

>>744869204
Assad is a hero, did you see the people in Aleppo celebrating as the SAA took back the city? That really swung it for me. Syrians dont want no rebels taking their country.

>>744869230
>Christianity was used for so much subjugation
Was, we have moved on, The New Testament is against violence and degeneracy unlike the koran which is just a manual for pedophiles, homophobes, misogynists and rapists.

It's why islam has no place in The West.

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>>744869347

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>>744869189
Well, if you let yourself get lullabied into the idea that the world being created from nothing and all human morality being just animal instincts is not ridiculous, I guess it can be easy to reject God. It's hard for me to imagine, but I believe it is possible.

If you look at it realistically though, by scientific standards the atheistic view of the world is not only not more likely, but is more ludicrous than a flying horse.

Once you accept the necessity of God though, future thought will lead you in the direction of true God. There are literally millennia of recorded thought to guide you on that path. I sincerely wish you look on that path.

>>744869230
>missionaries taking children from their parents VS
>janissaries

>unquestionable authority of the Pope VS
>mudslimes question what their imams tell them sure sure

>filthy wealth of Vatican VS
>islam terrorists supported by multi millionaire filthy wealth rich arabs

>unprovoked crusades against the muslims VS
>centuries ago , also, unprovoked terrorist against the infidels as you call them in modern world
islam is atleast laughable , at most pure cancer

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>>744869769
Wipe my ass with them pages.

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>>744869230
You seem to misunderstand the argument completely.
The Bible details Jesus' teaching as propagating 'meekness', which is an inaccurate translation from the Greek version - the accurate translation would be something among the lines of 'a strong individual that knows when not to use his force'.

That's all you have to say - 'unprovoked crusades'? How many wars have taken place in Europe in the similar period? And do you honestly believe that every peasant and every landlord got into the ships in hopes of eternal glory? The Crusades were just as much political and economical as religious.

'Subjugation' and 'imperialism' are quite erroneous in this case. Sure, pope was influential, but that influence kept Europe's monarchs more or less in line with the Holy Throne and each other. Popes' power to the regular people might as well not have existed at all.

Bear in mind that Crusades happened six hundred years ago, when people believed in witches and the general level of societal development was nowhere near today's level. Whereas muslims are shooting up crowds today.

You failed to address any of the points about Jesus as a leader and Muhammad as an aggressive warlord, but I guess it's against your beliefs to defend an indefensible position.

>>744869347
>>744868770
It was this one. Your reply was, mildly saying, insufficient.

>>744869748
i lolled at this photo i genuinely loled

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>>744869874
>270 million jews
>60 million christians

>>744868770
/thread

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>>744870018

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>>744869811
>janissaries
that's an army unit in Ottoman empire. Also one of the most advanced unitary formations at the time. What about them and how are they relevant?

>mudslimes question what their imams tell them sure sure
Muslims were interpreting Quran since the beginning, and scholars have produced millions of pages of theological debate and commentary. There is no central religious authority in Quran - it rests on the centuries of scholarship. As a bonus, Quran openly encourages science, Christians burned scientists.

>islam terrorists supported by multi millionaire filthy wealth rich arabs
Arabs != good muslims. Islamic religious authorities never accumulated wealth.

>unprovoked terrorist against the infidels as you call them in modern world
That is not right. But it also a very minor proportion of the billion-strong Islamic world, and is, in some ways, a reaction to the attempts to western cultural expansion.

>>744869874
We don't spread feces over our buttcracks with paper, that'd disgusting.

We use water.

>>744870205
from wikipedia
They began as an elite corps of slaves made up of kidnapped young Christian boys who were forced to convert to Islam, and became famed for internal cohesion cemented by strict discipline and order.

>>744865692
>Not quite true.
Those were Arabs, muslims relearning what the Romans and Greeks already knew is not an achievement.

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>>744865941
Very true.

>>744869875
Well, I guess it's better if we wrap up.

You seem to be pretty entrenched in your belief in moral superiority of Christianity. Weird how you call yourself non-religious with that much reverence for Jesus as the leader of the strong but kind men, but I guess there's no need to present evidence if you just disregard it and whitewash Christian crimes.

I guess we just wasted each other's time.

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>>744870205
Science in the Arab world prospered only until the introduction of Islam.

Surveys show the the majority of muslim population in the West supports barbaric practices as stoning or religious wars.

How can you claim that the terrorist attacks are 'provoked'? Truly, the passers by in a Parisian cafe or German Christmas market asked for it.

Bretheren, let's turn this shithole of a thread into a cat thread.

>>744870556
but compare polish and Swedish HDI.

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>>744870205
The janissaries were acquired through the Ottoman devshirme, a method of slave collection by which the Ottomans acquired millions of young boys to use as slaves, mostly from Slavic Christian lands.

The Islamic world often made use of slaves as soldiers, since Muslims were not supposed to fight one another, they employed proxy armies of slaves to slaughter each other to settle disputes.

Then, of course, Muslims were also famous for utilizes slaves for labor and sex as well. In all, hundreds of millions of people were enslaved by Islamic countries over the 1400 year course of their history.

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>>744870602
I am afraid there is little hope left for you - you seem to be ignorant of the phenomena that white people call ''argument and 'logic'.

Continuing with cats.

>>744870673
>Muslims were not supposed to fight one another, they employed proxy armies of slaves to slaughter each other to settle disputes.

That's actually pretty smart. Why aren't we doing that?

What I find weird is that this thread has 130 posts and only 19 posters. I hope it's just OP arguing with himself from different ips and nobody is stupid enough to take that bait.

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>mfw a muslim piglet sticks their nose into /b/ and gets it broken with a crowbar immediately

kekkles

>>744870725
I'm also not Muslim.

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>>744870602
By the way, it's a really classy move to declare the end of discussion when you are losing.

>>744870970
dude forreal the other day i got 3 free watches ,good quality , i sold them on ebay for 140 each , very goog fast money in the pocket

>>744870602
Just don't buy into your bullshit either. Only an idiot would be surprised by the response.
You can't sell magic to high IQ folks.

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>>744870911
I see no point in continuing. You claiming that the Pope was not a religious authority, that Christianity is not responsible for the crusades while Islam is responsible for terrorism, and that you know Jesus better than the Bible is below retort. If you think you're winning this argument you're delusional, but your delusions were apparent earlier. Believe what you want, it only makes sense to talk to those who can question their beliefs.

Also >>744870897 not me.

>>744870757
We do.

They're called the US military. They fight for politicians that will never spill a drop of blood for their ideals.

>>744870911
This hasn't gone unnoticed ;)

>Tries to construct a pro-muslim thread
>Gets utterly BTFO
>Ragequits
>Declares end of discussion

Only someone brutally shut up responds like that.

>>744871152
The US military still consists of americans who go there to get some money for college. It would make much more sense to enslave muslims and make them fight our wars for us.

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>>744871134

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>>744871240
I'm not the one posting cats to support my arguments tho.

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>>744871134
You seem to be quite ignorant of the history of medieval Europe.

If a guy with an axe gets on a train in Germany, chops up a few people and yells 'Allahu Akbar', well, that's pretty straightforward, wouldn't you say?

Wait, so you claim that it is untrue that Muhammad was a violent military leader and Jesus was a peaceful religious figure?

You should try a little harder.

>>744871252
Same principle though, poor disposable people who can be sent to die.

Inb4 somebody rages about heroism, I did tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, you probably didn't.

I think everybody should stop enslaving and murdering everybody. Bring the troops home, let the MENA collapse, close the borders, stop intervening in any way. No more aid, no more deals, no more anything.

The following is your value profile. Reference averages are taken from a previous study of a similar sample.

Your Autonomy of Thought score is 17 as compared to the average of 13.65. People high on autonomy of thought value their freedom to cultivate their own ideas, creativity, imagination, and curiosity.

Your Autonomy of Action score is 15 as compared to the average of 13.95. Autonomy of action reflects the values of freedom to determine one's own actions, independence, and self-reliance.

Your Stimulation score is 16 as compared to the average of 12.3. The value of stimulation encompasses appreciation of excitement, novelty, and challenge in life.

Your Hedonism score is 9 as compared to the average of 13.17. People high on hedonism attribute more value to pleasure and sensory gratification.

Your Achievement score is 13 as compared to the average of 12.24. People who score high on achievement are highly motivated by success according to social standards.

Your Power-Dominance score is 12 as compared to the average of 9.63. People who value dominance value their control and power to constrain people's behavior.

Your Power-Resources score is 9 as compared to the average of 9.36. This value refers to the ability to control events through one's material assets.

Your Face score is 15 as compared to the average of 13.23. People who are high on this value are concerned with maintaining and protecting their prestige

Your Security-Societal score is 18 as compared to the average of 12.54. The value of societal security stresses safety, stability, and order in the wider society.

Your Security-Personal score is 10 as compared to the average of 12.6. Personal security emphasizes the importance of good health, security of self and immediate surroundings, and avoidance of danger

Your Tradition score is 14 as compared to the average of 9.15. People who score high on tradition are motivated by maintaining and preserving cultural, family and/or religious traditions

>>744869769
Obviously you don't understand atheism.

It is not a rejection of God - it is simply that I haven't been convinced by the various fairy tales.

I see pictures of Mohommad in the back of many taxicabs in my town. Should they be vilified for having a likeness of Mohommad?

As well, I know that you would willingly lie to anyone not 'of the faith' (as allowed by taqiyya) so how do I know you aren't lying to me now?

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>>744871351
I posted my arguments, got a steaming pile of shit that failed to address any of my arguments in depth. I see no point in talking to a brick wall, thus I'm trying to be constructive and add at least something good to this thread - hence the cats.

Conformity

Your Conformity-Rules score is 7 as compared to the average of 11.91. This value reflects importance of proper behavior, compliance with expectations, self-discipline, obedience, and ability to meet obligations.

Your Conformity-Interpersonal score is 5 as compared to the average of 12.39. People who are high on interpersonal conformity value politeness, respect, and avoid upsetting or harming others.

Humility

Your Humility score is 14 as compared to the average of 10.53. People high on humility value recognizing their insignificance in the large scheme of things, stress modesty and acceptance of one's lot in life.

Benevolence

Your Benevolence-Dependability score is 13 as compared to the average of 14.52. This value refers to trustworthiness and reliability when needed by close others.

Your Benevolence-Caring score is 12 as compared to the average of 14.67. People who are high on caring show devotion to the needs of their close ones, helpfulness, honesty, and forgiveness.

Universalism

Your Universalism-Concern score is 11 as compared to the average of 12.39. People high on this value are motivated by equality, justice, and protection for people as a whole and especially the weak in society.

Your Universalism-Nature score is 11 as compared to the average of 10.11. Universalism-Nature refers to concern for preservation of the natural environment and striving for unity with nature.

Your Universalism-Tolerance score is 8 as compared to the average of 11.46. People who score high on tolerance value acceptance and understanding of all people regardless of their beliefs and differences.

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>>744871387
Well, if you're going historical, then Jesus was a leader of Jewish rebellion in Judea around 40AD, that was documented in multiple sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

And can you tell me the exact difference between "Kill everyone, God will sort them out" and your German example?

You know what, forget it. You're a fanatic.
And if you think

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Actual magazine page

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>>744871568
That cat is a fucking legend.

Also, fun cat fact, the ruins of the oracle at Delphi is over run with feral cats who love to be petted and fed by tourists.

>>744871623
kek

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>>744871568
No I SeE No PoInT iN TaLkInG To A bRiCk WaLl!

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>>744871684
There's nothing in that article that describes a Jewish rebellion led by Jesus.

In fact, it appears that the first Jewish revolt against the Romans was around 60 CE. Well after Jesus was crucified.

>>744871495
Now you're just being jealous.

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>>744871543
The following is your value profile. Reference averages are taken from a previous study of a similar sample.

Self-Direction
Your Autonomy of Thought score is -12 as compared to the average of 13.65.
Your Autonomy of Action score is 10 as compared to the average of 13.95.

Stimulation
Your Stimulation score is 12 as compared to the average of 12.3. .

Hedonism
Your Hedonism score is 10 as compared to the average of 13.17.

Achievement
Your Achievement score is 11 as compared to the average of 12.24.

Power
Your Power-Dominance score is 6 as compared to the average of 9.63.
Your Power-Resources score is 7 as compared to the average of 9.36.

Face
Your Face score is 12 as compared to the average of 13.23.

Security
Your Security-Societal score is 17 as compared to the average of 12.54.
Your Security-Personal score is 11 as compared to the average of 12.6.

Tradition
Your Tradition score is 12 as compared to the average of 9.15.

Conformity
Your Conformity-Rules score is 13 as compared to the average of 11.91.
Your Conformity-Interpersonal score is 15 as compared to the average of 12.39.

Humility
Your Humility score is 15 as compared to the average of 10.53.

Benevolence
Your Benevolence-Dependability score is 17 as compared to the average of 14.52.
Your Benevolence-Caring score is 18 as compared to the average of 14.67.

Universalism
Your Universalism-Concern score is 14 as compared to the average of 12.39.
Your Universalism-Nature score is 7 as compared to the average of 10.11.

Your Universalism-Tolerance score is 12, average 11.46.

This test however differentiates very little between your behavior towards strangers and behavior towards the closest people. Some people are asses to everyone else and good partners to their significant others.

>>744871684
Wew lad, Jewish rebellion was totally the same as Muhammad's conquests. Jesus' sons totally took over his legacy and continued to slaughter other Arabs...oh wait.

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Too dumb to leave the country. He gonna love American prision

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>>744871463
>let the MENA collapse, close the borders, stop intervening in any way. No more aid, no more deals, no more anything.

This, ring fence the ME, deport those already here to an islamic country of their choice and stop selling Western tech to sand apes, let them 'develop' their own.

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>>744871765
Thanks, mate. A great cat in your picture too.

>>744864006
>strongly corroborated explanation.
idiots agreeing with idiots don't make it true or right.

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>>744856875

I am a muslim and my score was perfect.
Your jewish magic does not affect me.

>>744872189
>muh ebil white supremacists
>4 dead

mfw

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>>744872080
>Wew lad, Jewish rebellion was totally the same as Muhammad's conquests. Jesus' sons totally took over his legacy and continued to slaughter other Arabs...oh wait.
No, Jesus disciples laid foundations for one of the strongest and most despotic organizations in the history of humanity, proclaimed some dude who followed Jesus the father of the church and the only authority on everything Jesus, and continued to invade and overthrow governments across Europe and later the world, killing fucking hundreds of millions. So yeah, incomparable.

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People who opress their children with this fucking terrorist religion should be hanged, I bet you fuck your nine y/o son/doughter just like Mohammed you mossi pig-

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>>744872385
It's 5

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>>744872543

>>744872708
Nope, he wasn't at fault for the crash (his car was attacked before the crash) and she had a heart attack from her lifestyle choices. He didn't make her fat.

>>744863335
>the strength and glory of Islam.
???
Islam is the "Also ran" of the Semitic religions. Worthless.

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>>744873225
(:

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>>744872543

>>744871718
>b-but r-religion of p-peace

>>744872877
egads, you're stupid.

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>>744873871
Yeah piece of you over here, another piece over there.....

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Too much crapposting in this thread.

Guys, posting about terrorism that much doesn't even make a point. It's as if every criminal in the US jail was labeled "kafir" and made into a news story. Kafirs raping children, kafirs shooting up schools, kafirs voting for Trump...

>>744862562
>as compared to dogmatic and rigid abrahamic religions of the West
islam is hands down the most dogmatic world religion, no competition - which should be obvious, they are the only religion that will consider killing you if you say a single letter in their holy text is wrong

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>>744874698
The text of Quran makes it very clear that the text is the word of God -- so questioning the text itself would be equivalent to questioning God himself. The punishment for that is death, without consideration.

Unlike other religions, however, Islam encourages debate and interpretation of the God's word. Disagreements over interpretation are settled through scholarly debate -- in Christianity, such disagreements were silenced until the reformation, and then led to bloody religious wars in Europe.

>>744856875
kudos on b8 us with islamic propaganda.
if only the mere newfound ability to manipulate wouldn't always justify psychology students to practice it.

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>>744874452
Your the one doing it asshole!

>>744865451
>Because they're awarded by fucking king of Norway.
....who gave 25 Nobel prizes to Japanese people. It seems to me the Nobel prizes are handed out, with the exception of the peace prize, for achievements that merit one, and I don't see evidence they're significantly biased by factors that don't have to do directly with the work in consideration.

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>>744874956

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>>744874960
It is for the greater good. The idea that I'm testing here might be consequential - and I sincerely believe that it's important enough, conceptually, to justify mild discomfort of bored young adults having to see a little bit of foreign religious preaching.

>>744874956
>Unlike other religions, however, Islam encourages debate and interpretation of the God's word
Any evidence that other religions don't consider interpretive discourse of the central texts to be valid or even a core feature of the religion?

>>744865692
You lying peace of shit, all those things they stole or coppied from others.

>>744874956
>Disagreements over interpretation are settled through scholarly debate -- in Christianity, such disagreements were silenced until the reformation, and then led to bloody religious wars in Europe.
The first wars fought by the caliphate after the death of Muhammad were the Ridda Wars, or "wars of apostasy". Sects considered heretical have been persecuted up to genocidal degrees throughout Islamic history. And what's worse, as you concede, the idea that heresy merits death is still enshrined in Islam to this day - you will have a very, very hard time finding a Christian scholar saying "yeah you should be killed for renouncing Christianity", and it's trivially easy to find world-renowned Muslim scholars saying the same about apostates from Islam.

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>>744875122
Here you go:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

"Wrong" interpretations were declared heresies and vigorously punished from the very beginning of the Christian church. In Islam, there is not even a word for "heresy" - only outright denial of God's word would win you a capital punsihment.

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>>744875088
Allah, is back in your sand box. The only thing with you here is bacon grease filled hollow points.

>>744872274
+1

>>744875088
>It is for the greater good.
Ich glaub nicht dass deine Master-Arbeit als "greater good" durch geht. Aber whatever, viel Erfolg.

>>744875334
that's not evidence for what I was asking, that's just evidence that they have a concept of heresy and are willing to enforce it. Islam has that concept too, interpretation is not unrestrained in any of the surviving semitic religions. All that heresy purges show is that the interpretation is limited within boundaries that you cross on pain of death, not that there isn't significant interpretive space.

>>744875048
What the fuck is she supposed to be rambling on about in the right image? It's like some postmodern stream of conscious nonsense.

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>>744875327
They are called "heretical sects" by the western scholars, but in fact they were led by people claiming to be prophets, like Muhammad, while the Quran, again, unequivocally says that Muhammad is the seal, the last prophet. So they were contradicting the letter of Quran.

The issue of apostates was discussed earlier in this thread - the fact that renunciation of Quran merits death is because you can't renounce Islam without renouncing God. That was punishable in Christianity, as well, until Christians began modifying their religion to fit with the changing times. Islam is one of the few religions that takes God seriously and doesn't try to change his word according to the latest fad in secular humanistic literature.

>>744856875
>/b/
>values
Pick one.

>>744875662
>the monkey
Lol

>>744875088
>The idea that I'm testing here might be consequential

It's not. No one cares about your vapid attempts to paint propaganda for something that hasn't modernized in any way, shape, or form as something it isn't: good.

The guy posting cats was doing more good than anything you could.

>>744875642
I wish I knew. Perhaps it is heavely coded. This would explain why.

>>744875647
>but in fact they were led by people claiming to be prophets
The ridda wars were not fought against "prophets", they were fought against people unwilling to pay tribute, which was considered heresy because that tribute was the central religious obligation of zakah.

>the fact that renunciation of Quran merits death is because you can't renounce Islam without renouncing God. That was punishable in Christianity, as well, until Christians began modifying their religion to fit with the changing times
I responded to the claim that Islam allowed interpretive discretion while other religions don't. That's clearly false, and what you said does nothing to corroborate that claim.

>>744875394
It's a pretest for an invited paper in a Q1 journal. And I don't actually speak German, I'm on postdoc here for a couple of years... But thank you, Bernd.

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>>744875647
Well I just mooned that fuckin' pervert!

>>744875840
what academic field does research on 4chan? i wanna get in on that fun

>>744875903
Anything that uses response scales can test these scales on anything human. That would include, but not be limited to sociology, psychology, political science, anthropology, internet social science and so on.

It's not actual research, it's testing the questionnaire.

>>744876013
testing it for what? I mean what properties of the questionnaire are you trying to figure out, and what's the questionnaire about?

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>>744856875
Thanks for giving us a chance to skew your shit in one way or another.

Second
>dirty lies about 30% girls in the advertising section, mods.

If you seriously thought that a board full of dedicated jackasses were going to answer your dumb survey truthfully and honestly, you need to just get off of the internet.

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>>744864676
>And Islam treats women and non-believers way better than Christianity.

Because they do not love the truth they are given over to the lie.

There is NO truth at all in anything you offer in this thread. You are a deceiver.

Be gone foul offspring of demons.

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>>744875807
>The ridda wars were not fought against "prophets"
Well, Tulayha and Musailimah, who refused to pay tribute, also declared themselves prophets, and that was ground enough for war.

> that Islam allowed interpretive discretion while other religions don't.
I never said others don't. Judaism, for example, is appreciative of interpretation is scholarship. I just said Christian theology is constrained by prior interpretations, while Islamic theology is not. And that's a big conceptual difference.

>>744876140
The questionnaire is about human values and decisions/attitudes/behaviors in hypothetic situations.

I'm looking at patterns of correlations between different items, ways in which different wordings of questions affect responses, et cetera. While data from imageboards is a little dirtier than what you'd get from mTurk or ProlificAcademic, it's adequate for these tasks and also costs nothing. So I always pre-run studies here to spot items that work weird, polish the wordings, and generally make sure that stuff works before I spend taxpayers money on collecting actual data.

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>>744875647
Teach the law.
Struggle to follow the law.
NEVER dare to enforce the law.

You are not God, it is up to HIM to enforce his laws. We do not have the right, to kill in Gods name. To die certainly? But never to harm another.

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>>744876150
Well, lying is more cognitively demanding than telling the truth. I think you overestimate the dedication of jackasses her.

Check this out, for example, this is the pattern of correlation of values from the data collected from /b/. The orientation is not important, only the relative position is meaningful - the closer are the values, the more they correlate with each other. Values on the opposing sides of the 2d space typically correlate negatively with each other.

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>>744876264
>Well, Tulayha and Musailimah, who refused to pay tribute, also declared themselves prophets, and that was ground enough for war.
and other tribes, who didn't have people claiming to be prophets, were also subdued - for not paying up, which counts enough for apostasy.

>I never said others don't.
This must not have been you then:
>> that Islam allowed interpretive discretion while other religions don't.
>Unlike other religions, however, Islam encourages debate and interpretation of the God's word. Disagreements over interpretation are settled through scholarly debate -- in Christianity, such disagreements were silenced until the reformation, and then led to bloody religious wars in Europe.

The larger point is this: all religions allow their adherents a certain degree of interpretive freedom. The vedic religions pretty much don't care, at all, they often don't even have a concept of apostasy. Pagan religions don't either. The Abrahamic religions used to kill you for apostasy, and Islam is the only one whose adherents still advocate it in massive numbers, and where religious rulers still implement it. The main reason that's so difficult to get rid of in Islam is because of how straightforward the punishment is mandated in the holy texts, which can't be changed and if you try, it's the sword for you.

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>>744862562
>Wikipedia
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>Repeating lies won't make them true. (KEK)
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>>744876457
this sounds like a wordy way of saying "i wanna see what triggers people"

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>>744876628
>>744876150
And here's the pattern predicted, based on evolutionary reasoning, by an 80 year old dude from Israel. Which is an almost perfect reproduction of what I got here.

So yeah, I do get an occasional jackass who gives random answers, but even in /b/ for every one of those I get 9 who answer truthfully. All the trolls do is introduce a little noise. Like a bee. Or a fly.

>>744876691

Nice to see such dedicated readership, bro.

>>744876457
Yes, yes.. How can I word the question to make the data reflect the answers I desire?

You are a fucking evil scumbag!

Islamo-statistician.

>>744876725
In the end, isn't it what social sciences are all about?

700 responses btw. That's pretty crazy even by my standards.

>>744876953
i thought the main purpose of much of the social sciences by now was science denial. i guess that counts are triggering

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>>744876660
Yes, true, I overstated. Again, it's an Islamic virtue to admit to being wrong when you are.

Well, vedic religions and paganism are not really relevant anymore, are they? But I can't agree with you on the point of equal interpretive freedom across religions. Islam and Judaism collect libraries of theological texts, and sunni-shia political conflict aside, Muslims of very different interpretations and views of Quran can coexist and pray together. You won't find a city where different Catholic churches preach different interpretations of the Bible to their congregations, while it is very common in Islam, and somewhat in Judaism. And the role this freedom played in reducing tension within Islam, again, shows in how many muslim-on-muslim wars there were as compared to christian-on christian.

>>744877090
"much" is relative, but post-modernist post-positivist bullshit never got too much ground. It's popular among undergrads, but good luck publishing any of that bullshit in a decent journals -- most Q1 journals across SS-fields are strictly positivist, and the recent replication crisis cleanse actually makes social sciences more reliable than some fields of medicine, for example.

>>744877308
https://youtu.be/UJwEMX5ZXs8

>>744877308
>Again, it's an Islamic virtue to admit to being wrong when you are.
If Muslims adhered to that, then there would be no Islam.

>Well, vedic religions and paganism are not really relevant anymore, are they
India looks pretty relevant to me. I didn't even mention Buddhism, which has no punishment for apostasy either and most sects don't care about it at all.

>But I can't agree with you on the point of equal interpretive freedom across religions
I didn't make that claim, I wouldn't even know how to quantify it properly "how much" interpretive freedom scholars have.

>and sunni-shia political conflict aside
Well, if we ignore 1400 years of genocidal sectarian bickering, then I'd say we are biasing the sample.

>You won't find a city where different Catholic churches preach different interpretations of the Bible to their congregations
Get two priests together, and they will give you three opinions on non-core issues - as you may with Islamic scholars. You won't find two Islamic scholars who disagree on whether there is one or two gods, but you will find many who disagree on how to pray. You won't find two priests who disagree on whether Jesus is central to Christianity, but you will find priests disagreeing on what happens to babies when they die without being baptised. Then check out the US, where different congregations sometimes have advertisement board battles where they reference and contradict each other.

>And the role this freedom played in reducing tension within Islam, again, shows in how many muslim-on-muslim wars there were as compared to christian-on christian.
There were numerous Muslim-on-Muslim wars for religious reasons. I'd like you to quantify that better, I don't think the evidence supports your claim.

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>>744877789
I forgot to add:
>sunni-shia political conflict aside
The rightful succession is a matter of theological difference with political implications. It's not a secular power play, it's strictly a matter of religious injunction.

>>744864300
No koufar is not only a non-believer, it's an "infidel" your backward religion say that you have to kill koufar, and stop with your propaganda, your religion is only here dominate, now you're calm and you're trying to say that you're only here for peace, but when your religion will take control, you're gonna kill every single one of us for not practicing your religion. Kys

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>>744877789
While most of your argument is sound, this bit
>you will find priests disagreeing on what happens to babies when they die without being baptised.
is pretty much outright false. Infant damnation is a very traditional belief in Catholicism, and one of the reformation points were challenging the belief, leading to most protestant churches believing unbaptized children go to heaven, and Catholic church being very confused about itself while trying to insist they go to hell without upsetting the public it serves.

Islam, btw, is straightforward in that all children are born Muslim.

on the last point, Muslim on Muslim wars, for much of the history Muslims lived in the united Islamic Caliphate, later superseded by the Ottoman Empire. Muslim on muslim violence was so haram that political disputes were often settled with mercenary fighters. Even looking at the modern Middle East, minor skirmishes between Iran and Iraq, Oman and Yemen, and internal civil conflicts in Syria and Egypt (sponsored from abroad btw) is about as far as intra-Islamic violence goes. Compare that to the number of wars with Israel in the middle east, or with the history of Europe in the 20th Century - surely nothing can rival the Second World War among Christian nations in terms of sheer body count.

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Muzzies typing?
Here's what I visualize as I read.

>>744878645
Sucks to be you. That's not a pleasant image visual at all.

>>744874956
Doesn't 'taqiyya' mean we infidels cannot trust anything you say?

Perhaps my 'interpretation' of it is wrong. Would you care to eludicate us?

>>744878476
>Infant damnation is a very traditional belief in Catholicism
And for decades they've been debating this, and it's not hard to find Catholic priests to say they don't think that's correct in a doctrinal sense. There's Anglican priests who think lesbian weddings are a-ok, and Protestant priests disagreeing on all manner of things as well.

>Islam, btw, is straightforward in that all children are born Muslim.
Not correct. It says they are born with the natural instincts that will incline them to Islam, not that they are Muslims. Fitrah is not the same as iman.

>on the last point, Muslim on Muslim wars, for much of the history Muslims lived in the united Islamic Caliphate
It wasn't all that united, and it wasn't one caliphate. There were several over history who fought for succession, and sometimes contending caliphates at the same time.

>Muslim on muslim violence was so haram that political disputes were often settled with mercenary fighters.
Where did those come from? I hadn't heard about those.

>Even looking at the modern Middle East, minor skirmishes between Iran and Iraq, Oman and Yemen, and internal civil conflicts in Syria and Egypt (sponsored from abroad btw) is about as far as intra-Islamic violence goes.
You've got continual bloodshed all over the middle east, either civil wars or murderous dictators almost permanently.

>Compare that to the number of wars with Israel in the middle east
True, Muslim-on-Non-Muslim violence was historically a lot worse than intra-Islamic conflict.

>or with the history of Europe in the 20th Century - surely nothing can rival the Second World War among Christian nations in terms of sheer body count.
I don't see how those fit in here, how are they comparable to intra-religious conflicts?

Historically, Muslims perpetrated at least as much violence out of religious motivaions as other religious groups, and while Muslim-on-Non-Muslim violence clearly predominated by some orders of magnitude, internal war was big too.

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>>744879083
>taqiyya
Sure. That means that I can conceal my religious affiliation if I have a grounded fear that I may be persecuted by kafirs for it. It does not mean I am allowed to lie to all kafirs about everything. Also, a bunch of bored 20yo's doesn't really command much fear.

It's sad how Islam gets misrepresented and how little western youth knows about Allah's word.

>>744879216
>True, Muslim-on-Non-Muslim violence was historically a lot worse than intra-Islamic conflict.
Well, Non-Muslim-on-non-Muslim violence was also a lot worse than intra-islamic conflict. That's sort of was my point that we're debating now.

I see how modern priests debate a number of core christian beliefs, even some major churches approving gay marriages, but it's hard to take this seriously. It's religion decaying, their thoughts motivated not by God or serious theology but by public opinion. The Catholic church used to make public opinion, now it just follows it.

>It wasn't all that united, and it wasn't one caliphate
Well, true, and I'm simplifying things - but compare that to the Middle ages in Europe, with pretty much constant war among Christian feudal lords.

western youth knows a bunch of bullshit when they hear it!

They didn't fall for the Christian bull Shit. What make you so sure that they will buy your brand of bullshit?

SHOW ME THE LOGIC

>>744880126
>I see how modern priests debate a number of core christian beliefs, even some major churches approving gay marriages, but it's hard to take this seriously. It's religion decaying, their thoughts motivated not by God or serious theology but by public opinion. The Catholic church used to make public opinion, now it just follows it.
You're moving goalposts massively here. You started with "the Muslims got much better interpretive discourse", and now you're at "because the other religions don't count", basically.

>Well, true, and I'm simplifying things - but compare that to the Middle ages in Europe, with pretty much constant war among Christian feudal lords.
I'm not convinced the numbers are that clear here. I'm open to hearing some, of course.

>Well, Non-Muslim-on-non-Muslim violence was also a lot worse than intra-islamic conflict. That's sort of was my point that we're debating now.
I've never made a comment about generic kuffar-on-kuffar violence. We were talking about violence motivated by accusations of heresy. Seems clear to me the Muslims aren't better on this than the Christians historically, and clearly worse nowadays.

>>744880477
Do you live in Fucking fantasy land?

>>744879516
>That means that I can conceal my religious affiliation if I have a grounded fear that I may be persecuted by kafirs for it.
This is an interesting quote:
"Taqiyya is an Islamic juridical term whose shifting meaning relates to when a Muslim is allowed, under Sharia law, to lie."

Especially the 'shifting meaning' part. It has always seemed that this meaning shifts depending on whether a person is engaging in taqiyya while they explain its meaning.

>>744880477
>You're moving goalposts massively here. You started with "the Muslims got much better interpretive discourse", and now you're at "because the other religions don't count", basically.
I still stand by the original statement. I did refer to historical Christianity - up until mid 20th century, basically - because it is a decaying religion now, and it's hard to take those gay priests seriously. I do admit that they have much higher interpretative freedom nowadays. I'd say excessive, but that's personal preference.

>I'm not convinced the numbers are that clear here. I'm open to hearing some, of course.
Well, I'm not sure I can produce casualty lists for every war of the roses (and also every middle-eastern skirmish in the East), sorry, bro. But I think it's a sound assumption that wars within a single Caliphate took less life than wars among dozens of European kingdoms of the time.

>>744881422
>I still stand by the original statement. I did refer to historical Christianity - up until mid 20th century
Then give any kind of evidence to that, and tell me how you quantify which religion allows significantly larger interpretive discourse.

>I do admit that they have much higher interpretative freedom nowadays. I'd say excessive, but that's personal preference.
Hey, let those guys play their version of who-reads-Harry-Potter-better, and they will let the Muslims play theirs.

>Well, I'm not sure I can produce casualty lists for every war of the roses (and also every middle-eastern skirmish in the East), sorry, bro. But I think it's a sound assumption that wars within a single Caliphate took less life than wars among dozens of European kingdoms of the time.
I don't accept claims on assumptions, I need measurements for that.

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>>744881884
Do you have a measurement to substantiate the claim that inter-Caliphate violence did not account for less deaths than European feudal wars?

There is the amount of evidence there is, and we have to make our best guess based on that. Asking for unreasonable or impossible evidence won't lead you closer to the truth.

>>744882388
>Do you have a measurement to substantiate the claim that inter-Caliphate violence did not account for less deaths than European feudal wars?
i don't remember making that claim.

Here's the bottom line as I see it: historically, Islam had a lot of heresy hunting going on, as did other religions; I'm not sure who was worse here. What's blatantly obvious is that all other religions have abandoned this barbarity of killing people over reading texts wrong, and Muslims are still proudly practicing it. The texts themselves make it hard to get rid of this evil, and that's worrisome.

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Anyway, the survey is at 740 participants, that was my goal for today (started at 440).

I'm not a Muslim, obviously, and know fuckall about Islam. I'm a Russian Jew working in Germany.

You, guys, are freaking racist scumbags, even those of you who are actually smart.

>>744882946
were you this idiot?
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>>744882388
Cause he clearly didn't have a clue, but most Muslims don't, so it was hard to tell.

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>>744883342
No-no, that's some other dude posting the same pictures, obviously.

>>744856930
Very interesting

>>744883659
Ok good, had me worried for a moment there that you might not be up to it intellectually, which would be surprising for a social scientist. Carry on.

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>>744883659
"EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON"

>>744856875
Your data will be severely skewed by the biases present on this board. If you take any kind of research serious, you should ABSOLUTELY NOT base it on a non-randomized sample. Why do you think the election polls were off by so much?

>>744884098
The girl is cute, would rape.

>>744884129
I'm not trying to make election polls, and I don't need a sample that represents anything. I just need humans that answer questions, and the data you get from here is not in any way worse than what you get from monkeys at amazon's mTurk. You just have to filter out a little trash, but the wast majority of responses are honest human responses.

>>744876628
>>744876754
Here I show a pretty sensitive analyses run on this data, and it works just as it should.

Thanks for your concern though. You'd be right if I wanted to say something about some specific demographic, but I'm not.

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>>744877308
like this,you said?

>>744884348
does that values model predict anything useful reliably?

>>744856875
Allah is a faggot and Mohammed is his cock sucker.

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>>744856875
There are two things possibly "wrong" with how the data is interpreted and they need controlling.

Traditionalism outside a religious context will be misjudged.
Protection of free speech and acceptance of differing opinions will be confused with cultural relativism and tolerance.

I strongly suggest to develop control variables generated from a short self-report of political stance, there is enough studies available to do this.

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I find it odd that you would show off your cultural and religious affiliation in a thread supposedly advertising "highly scientific ultra-precise research tool". Not that I have anything against your culture and such. I find your waring religion fascinating, and the fact it has stayed so main stream despite such a huge cultural divide between it and most of the rest of the world is impressive to say the least. But I do find its placement odd, is there dare is say it, an ulterior motive?
Also this Muslim meme propaganda is very funny, where did you get it all?

>>744863335
>*except if she doesn't dress modestly, in that case, rape is permitted and marrying your victim afterwards will keep you out of jail.

Don't leave out the best parts, m9.

>>744865451
>inbreeding
Have this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw/2.0/html/tileshop_pmc/tileshop_pmc_inline.html?title=Click%20on%20image%20to%20zoom&p=PMC3&id=3083608_ejhg2010205f1.jpg

>>744863335
Achievment unlocked: You just earned a tardbadge
http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Relation_Between_Intelligence_and_Religiosity__A_Meta-Analysis_and_Some_Proposed_Explanations.pdf

intelligent people do not conform.
Islam is a ridiculously conformist religion.
"Pedophilia is a label"
yeah and domestic abuse is damaging your own property. Go fuck yourself you child raping perv.
The saudi's are highwaymen elevated far beyond their station by sitting on their rear ends and watch the oil money roll in.
Will be useless desert monkeys again as soon as the oil runs out and the rest of the money is squandered one generation later.