Flat Earth pt.2 Discussion of geocentric vs. heliocentric

>>744710747
>no one welcome without actual evidence of both
Well since there's no evidence that the earth is flat, your logic implies that no one is welcome.
Well, bye!

>>744710875

The evidence is right before your eyes. How many times have you seen a ball or pear shaped earth? I see a flat earth everyday of my life. You can measure a flat earth you can't measure a ball earth. Nobody here can give evidence of a ball earth. It is literally impossible to prove a sphere spinning around the sun.

>>744711400
What do you mean by prove?

>>744710747
explain air travel, the different constellations of the North and South hemisphere and Eric Dubay's cross dressing, flat tard

Hold on. OP hasn't provided proof of the heliocentric understanding of the universe.

By their own logic, they are not welcome to debate.

>>744711710

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtYWkTEDgjM

Flat-tards cannot explain global positioning systems.

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>>744711931

Only image NASA has given. There is supposed to be a space station up there but I can't find any real pictures from it.

>>744712103
Thats almost a minute of bs and no substance. In short, some flat earthers believe flight paths to be fabrications, that commercial planes can secretly fly super sonically, use mental gymnastics and cherry pick flight paths, or ignore the issue all together. No one really has an answer.

>>744712261

Sure you can it's called ground based towers same. Show me a real picture of a satellite.

Here is what I found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite

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>>744712261
Although I am not a flat earther it is generally not known that our internet and telephone Communications are a product of underwater InterContinental sea cables. Once I learned this to be a fact, the possibility of GPS really just being cellphone towers no longer seems that far out to me.

>>744712867
Are you fucking retarded or just a troll? You can go to the store, buy a telescope and view satellites and even the International Space Station.

>>744712943
Pleas explain to me how my GPS worked out in the middle of the Mojave desert? No cellular connectivity whatsoever.

>>744712943

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve810FHZ1CQ

>>744713033
Have you?

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>>744710747
Explain the northern and southern lights flat earthers

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>>744710747
THE EARTH ISN'T FLAT ITS A PYRAMID BECAUSE ALLAH PRAISED THE AFRICANS AND HE MADE IT A PYRAMID

>>744712401
That's a lie and you know it is. You're just being incredibly dishonest.

>>744713128
I can't explain that to you, Sorry.

>>744713222
checked

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Here's the deal: there are three types of Flat Earthers who regularly post to 4Chan: assholes who troll for spite, asshole intellectuals who troll to test your knowledge and debate skills, and literal Bible interpreters (LBIs). They all have the freedom to make shit up (lie) because truth and understanding are not their goals, and they end the arguments with "prove me wrong." This nefariously refirects the onus onto you to spend your precious life's time to provide information already available that they haven't and won't consider. By disavowing any science or proofs put forward and continuing to make shit up, they "win" by eroding your patience. It is simply impossible to keep up with having to explain away the barrage of assaults violating the most basic principles of geometry, math, science, and logic.

They aren't interested in critical thinking, refuse to put in the requisite effort to do the science, are blind to 3D visualization, and regularly refuse to respond when they can't fabricate anything that would pass even their own red-faced test. LBIs concentrate on believing what their leaders tell them while ironically calling you a "sheeple," and will not allow any sense to mar their fractured perception of the universe. They believe their interpretation of the Bible is flawless, and are actually trying to save your soul. The trolls will simply post sillier arguments and regularly resort to insults and taunts often implying or accusing you of being complicit in conspiracies to keep you posting.

In any case there is simply no arguing. Like trying to paint over mud, you just end up with a dirty brush.

>>744713195
I have. You should, too. Actually using science does help to assuage the Luddites.

>>744712401
Dude, there is a Livestream from the ISS

https://www.google.cl/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html&ved=0ahUKEwjK8eDHz5nWAhXJC5AKHa7QD3wQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNHfmYbT45ZlrCcvFeni9Qu89UF3QQ

...

>>744713552
Ok, if you have, post a pic to 4chan if and when you can.

>>744713328
Let ME explain it to YOU. Geosynchronous satellites send multiple signals that can be read and triangulated by a GPS device that can give precise locations. Oddly, GPS requires a time factor correction due to the fact that satellites are much further away from the gravity well of Earth. This means there's a time dilation factor to be corrected. Time moves slower on the surface of Earth than it does in orbit.

>Flat tards don't believe in gravity, so this is meaningless to them.

>>744713890
You can believe that if you want, no one is stopping you. It may even be true. However, I don't believe it, because i dont see much evidence to support it.

>>744713551
It's even worse... when their dogma is confronted and disproved with real world science, they develop more and more convoluted, Occam's Razor-defying explanations... like the stars being a contraption of rotating disks in the sky along with mirrors for different hemispheres.

>>744711400
>I see a flat earth everyday of my life.
That's not proof. This is interpreting what you see as flat from your assumption that you would be able to perceive a curvature on a ball as large as the Earth. Basically, you're not going to the next step, finding a ball as big as the Earth (or even a section of such a ball), standing on it and seeing if you can tell there's a curve. Your "proof" is simply anecdotal.

>>744714137
I'm sorry there's people out there who have never had the benefit of an education.

>>744712943
>Communications are a product of underwater InterContinental sea cables. Once I learned this to be a fact, the possibility of GPS

You're mixing metaphors. Communications and GPS are independent of each other. The only communication in GPS is time signal. And it works anywhere in the world, whereas cell phones do not.

>>744713552

Show me a picture of the space station.
I can show you a close up picture of the moon using a Nikon P900 camera but you can't see any satellites.

>>744714268
Lol! if you want to call being told that there are floating metal contraptions flying above your head at thousands of miles per hour, that you cant see, an education then i'm sorry for you. No need to be disrespectful towards people who disagree with you.

>>744714471
>implying you will see a satellite while standing on a rock millions of miles away from low earth orbit while also being exposed to unfiltered rays of the sun with human eyes alone

>>744713890
>Geosynchronous satellites send multiple signals that can be read and triangulated by a GPS
GPS satellites are most definitely *not* in geosynchronous orbits. You're confusing them with communication satellites.

One thing the flat tards cannot EVER do- give a reasonable explanation as to WHY there is some dark international conspiracy over the course of a thousand years to deceive the world as to it's true nature.

And, apparently, every government is "in on it". Every college, university, elementary school, high school.... public and private... every research scientist, everyone with access to the most basic of scientific equipment that verifies the Earth is round... they're all "in on it"

...and no one can say "why"

>>744714178

Observation and experiment simple science. I have never observed a sphere spinning and rotating around a sun.

>>744714399
Sure, I know that, to some degree, is what they tell us. But I don't really buy the idea that there are metal toasters with solar panels flying above our heads a thousand miles per hour. I believe that there is probably some other answer.

>>744714552
The ISS can be seen with the naked eye as a light moving across the sky. I have seen it. You could see the space shuttle in orbit.

>>744714558
Low Earth orbit is not millions of miles away, friend. And, you may view these things at night.

>>744714657
Get a telescope. You may view Mars. You may track it's orbit. It's path is predictable and observable. You may also see that each time you look at it, it has rotated.

It's a sphere, by the way.

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>>744714471
>Show me a picture of the space station.
Search for images on Google using this string:
amateur telescope satellite photo iss
Pic related. The top three rows are almost all amateur astronomers who have modified their scopes to be able to track satellites, or at least the ISS. They get videos and photos of it.
You just don't *want* proof.

>>744714552

See this:
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>>744713857
>>744714552
>>744714776
>>744714809
>not millions of miles
Hyperbole, I know, but it is 238,900 miles away. I don't think the astronauts who walked on the Moon were able to see a communications satellite from that distance. The entire "sky" of space would've been black to them save for the Earth, the Sun, and several other bodies in space, like Venus.

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>>744715052
Forgot to attach picture.

>>744714809
Ok, so you claim you have seen a light floating up in the sky. That is one thing. To claim that light is actually a huge floating facility that houses men women who float around inside is an entirely other thing. Actually i have never really seen a space shuttle going to space, i just see it curve and disappear.

So, let me get this straight... NASA has been behind this all. NASA, who have been around for ~60 years. But they've been covering up the flat Earth for 500 years.

'K

>>744715052
The ISS is 254 miles up. Not millions of miles, not 238,000 miles.

>>744714993

That is all CGI garbage. Does any of those pictures look real to you? You probably think Star Wars is real too.

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>>744714657
>Observation and experiment simple science. I have never observed a sphere spinning and rotating around a sun.

1) you haven't really tried. You've done enough to let you think you've got evidence, then quit.
2) Observation alone is not sufficient. You also have to prove the opposite is false.
3) You then have to turn over your experiment, observations, evidence, parameters, and conclusions for review.
Then you've got something. Standing on your porch and squinting is not proof.

>>744715101
Again, I have a telescope. I have seen satellites, the shuttle, and...wait for it... the ISS.
With the telescope and with the naked eye. Are you that much of a luddite that you'll deny something you can verify with a trip to your local WalMart?

>>744715281
Your troll is obvious.


>>744713551
>By disavowing any science or proofs put forward and continuing to make shit up, they "win" by eroding your patience.

>>744715221
>The ISS
Okay, you might be trolling now. One, I mentioned the Moon's distance on two occasions, not the distance of the ISS. Two, would you be able to see the ISS from the Moon, on the bright side of the Moon?

>>744715096
>>744715052
I will admit to you that is a very very strange looking something. But seeing a strange thing in a picture isn't enough to convince me that men and women are floating around inside a huge metal craft.

>>744715612
Well, go become an astronaut.

>>744715541
Utterly irrelevant. You cannot see satellites from Earth in daylight, either... and the moon's a fuckload further away.

So, WHY is this great truth being hidden from us? For centuries.

>>744715389
I may be able to go out and see something strange in the sky with a powerful camera or telescope, but that doesn't mean that there are and have been men and women magically floating around inside a big metal craft going thousands of miles per hour.

>>744715612
>a picture isn't enough to convince me that men and women are floating around inside a huge metal craft

And there will never be anything that will convince you. But in refuting all evidence in deference to your opinion renders virtually everything you say inconsequential. You're useless.

>>744715860
I'm sorry you lack a basic education that includes science.

>>744715612
Wait until a new moon
go outside
go to a dark location away from city lights
look straight up
continue to look up for 30 minutes or so
you will fucking see satellites.

>>744715861
It is a bit of a jump to say that just because I reject certain pictures i am unreasonable or automatically reject all potential pieces of evidence. For me, a great start in favor of this whole space stuff idea would be a live cam on the moons surface.

>>744715860
>men and women magically floating around inside a big metal craft going thousands of miles per hour

Absolutely correct. Magic had nothing to do with it

>>744716034
Again, I may be able to go out and see something strange in the sky with a powerful camera or telescope, but that doesn't mean that there are and have been men and women magically floating around inside a big metal craft going thousands of miles per hour.

>>744716082
>For me, a great start in favor of this whole space stuff idea would be a live cam on the moons surface.

That's disingenuous at best.
What do you expect from such a device?
How would you justify the expense of sending up such a device?
What's to stop you from claiming *its* output is CGI?
You're making an unreasonable demand that would produce a null result with a fallback dismissal. Why would anyone enter into such a deal with you?

Flat tards claim that Antarctica is actually an ice wall that encircles the pancake planet. AND, that it's guarded by an armada of warships that prevent and private ships from learning this GREAT TRUTH.

>This armada would have to have over 100,000 ships manned at all times. And, none of the crews have ever tattled on them. None of the encounters have ever been recorded. None of these ships have ever came back to port for provisions or changing crew, or for service.

>>744715722
Not irrelevant. In fact, you saying that you cannot see satellites from Earth in daylight either only strengthened my point. No shit, the Moon is a fuckload further away, hence 238,000 miles, and that you're not likely to see the ISS from there, let alone any satellite, unless it's particularly out there and at a particular angle with respect to the Sun. But, the Earth has an atmosphere as well. The Moon doesn't, so there's a lot going on regarding exposure and atmospheric filtering. So it is even more the case that you're not about to just see any of, or all of the satellites at once during the day on Earth, but the reasons why differ greatly from that of the Moon. For example, the Moon, while not having an atmosphere to filter light through, is also 238,000 miles away. But you can absolutely see the ISS during the day using instruments on Earth.

>>744716177
I'm sorry it's not magic actually it's 'gravity'? Lol apparently its falling towards the earth yet its moving so fast it misses the earth. It is all great fiction that really tickles my ears. Anyone remember Henry Cavendish?

>>744716258
The fact you cannot grasp basic scientific principles that allow objects to achieve and maintain orbit speaks volumes about you. About your lack of education, your inability to accept science over spooky conspiracy theories... and that you're a post-modern Luddite.

>>744716470
Stand on an object that rests on wheels while holding a bowling ball, and then throw the bowling ball away while keeping your feet off the ground.

>>744716443
>But you can absolutely see the ISS during the day using instruments on Earth.
No. You cannot. You may view it at night, though... see there's this thing called "daylight" which causes "glare". I'll make it even simpler for you- During a full moon, you see far less stars in the sky at night. Because of the glare.

How are you not grasping this? I'd use simpler words, but I don't know any.

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>>744716470
>I'm sorry it's not magic actually it's 'gravity'?

No, it's the result of years of calculations, experimentation, engineering, trial and error, lives, and the efforts of hundreds of thousands of employees who actually worked towards constructive goals. Yes, rocket motors have been constructed the lifted payloads, etc. etc.

The fact that you dismiss it all tells me that you are being willfully ignorant, and you're a waste of time and energy.

The sarcasm and humor in your post would only work if you spoke from a position of knowledge. As it is, your clear demonstration of stubborn stupidity makes you look like an asshole.

>>744710747
I can remember Earch was flat when the Universe was 2D, but now it seems to go to 4d, and scientists say that there still 11 implicit dimensi9ns

So, WHY is this secret being kept from us ordinary people? Still waiting for an answer.

>>744715426

Your fake photos are obvious now who is the troll?

>>744716854
>but you cannot
>>744715096
If I'm not mistaken, that's the Moon, too.

>see there's this thing called "daylight" which causes "glare"
Enough glare to turn the sky a blinding white? I don't think so. There's a full moon during the afternoon for you. Also, the ISS.

>>744716406
Lol i am not asking for anyone to "enter into a deal" with me. I am just saying what it would take for me to begin to believe in the space stories. Even if it were CGI it would have to be pretty impressive, every single visible star would have to be in the exact right spot or somebody could spot the discrepancy. I dont think it is that unreasonable, all the other junk we have supposedly left on the moon...no one decided to setup a live feed? Perhaps nobody thought of the idea, perhaps it was too expensive, or perhaps they just didn't have the capablity to recreate every single star in its right positions in a Hollywood studio back then.

>>744717078
Why can't you see stars in the daytime?

>>744713551

This is copy pasta

>>744716854
>No. You cannot.
Umm... yes, you can. It's just very, very difficult.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/05/30/amazing-shot-of-iss-and-jupiter-during-daytime

>>744715311

Bill Nye isn't a scientist.

>>744716558
Thats gr8 m8, anyway, its clear we disagree on a certain topic. Lets just agree to disagree, again there is no reason to get hostile or hate a person who doesn't believe what you do.

>>744717050
Yeah, yeah, we've been through the photo, dismiss, evidence, fake... cycle already. You've made it clear you're a troll.

>>744716969
Thats gr8 m8, anyway, its clear we disagree on a certain topic. Lets just agree to disagree, again there is no reason to get hostile or hate a person who doesn't believe what you do.

>>744712103

Youre fucking dumb. Try making money on a direct flight out of Jo-Burg to anywhere with a 777?

>>744717224
Yes, it is. I'm the author. I'm not about to re-write this from scratch every time this idiotic thread comes up.

What 's your beef?

>>744717351
Flat tards disagree with gravity... and I do not "believe", I know using science. Your BELIEF in magic pancake Earth is an article of faith. Faith not in the lack of proof, but DESPITE proof.

>>744717346
Neither are you.

We cannot leave low earth orbit. Never been to the moon. What else can they lie to us about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MEF5S3Fsvs

>>744717508
But I have evidence. You only have opinion. As long as you keep your opinion out of the schools, we're okay.

>>744717612

I actually have a degree in science though it isn't in astrophysics.

>>744710747
You're an idiot. Stop getting your science from jewtube.

>>744717667
YouTube videos for proof instead of centuries of science

>My sides just left low Earth orbit

>>744717202
>see there's this thing called "daylight" which causes "glare"
See, there's this thing called "the Sun", which causes "glare" when its rays reach Earth at a time we call "the day". But since the rays of "the Sun" reach Earth, hence the "glare", and bump into the particles within the atmosphere, the particles in the atmosphere slow them down until only a certain frequency of that light from "the Sun" is inherently visible, apart from the direct rays of light from "the Sun" itself; 476 nanometers, or, sky blue. All that light overpowers any sort of light reaching the Earth from distant starts, thus, we do not see them during the day, unless their light is powerful enough to overcome the scattering of light from "the Sun" in the sky.

They call the act of rays from "the Sun" being scattered by molecules of the atmosphere, diffusion.

>>744717552
I am not a flat earther, others here are though, as you get older i hope you will learn to respect people regardless of what they believe.

>>744717667
>We cannot leave low earth orbit.
Liar.

>>744717552

Science is a religion since most of it can't be proven therefor it relies on faith.

>>744717902
Oh, you sweet child.

>>744717832
As I got older, I grew less and less patient with voluntary stupidity. Thus me calling you people "Luddites" this entire thread.

>>744717857

We have never been past the van allen belts and NASA admits it.

>>744717902
Yes, physics, calculus, hell ALL that stuff is just religious dogma. You're a clever one, all right.

>>744717778
Okay, so Nye has a degree in engineering. Are you saying that because his degree isn't in science, that somehow the meme is invalid? Do you see anywhere in there that claims you *have* to be a "scientist" to support the scientific method? What *is* your point?

>>744718027
As I said, "Liar!" Especially the bit about NASA saying so. Cite that source.

>>744717980

Why do you think someone who believes something different from you is stupid?

>>744711400
How many flat planets have you seen? If every other celestial body is pulled into a sphere because of gravity, doesn't that imply that our planet should be a sphere too? If not, then why? Why do you think that you should somehow be able to see anything *but* a flat earth from your perspective - you realize that the curve dips below the horizon? Speaking of which, why is it that if you watch a ship at sea, it starts disappearing from the bottom up, well before it's out of eyesight? How is it that snipers all around the world consistently make their shots sometimes from distances greater than a mile, despite the fact that they're factoring in the curve of the earth when they do so? If they were wrong they would be missing.

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>>744710747
you are one stupid nigger.

>>744717346
Ya but he at least has a basic understanding of science.

>>744718069

Theory is just that a theory. No facts involved.

>>744718156
Because my background is firmly rooted in established observational science, mathematically proven theories, and sound reasoning. You rely on YouTube videos talking about a floating lamp with a cone shade, rotating disks with pinholes, and vast, centuries old, international conspiracies that you cannot explain the reasons for.

Stupid is not the word. "willfully ignorant" works, though.

>>744718235
If you aren't thinking of the scientific theory, sure.

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>>744717688
Lol, what i have been displaying in this thread hasn't really been much of my opinion but skepticism towards these "evidences" you and others seem to possess. I think you should be in favor of more skepticism being encouraged in schools.

>>744718156
(Different Anon here)
I have no problem with other people believing differently. I have a problem with people dismissing evidence put in front of them, denigrating the entire process, then preaching that this type of behavior is valid and normal.

You have the freedom to be as stupid as you want to. Pack yourself into a barrel and go over Niagara Falls. No complaint from me. But don't go telling kids it's okay to stop thinking because one book says this is true, or some vidiot on YouTube has figured out how to mix sound and video and to post it.

>>744713551
That's a lot of fluff just to tell us you've given up and that your dislike the Bible

>>744718235
Since we're using the term "theory" in conjunction with science, that's hogwash. Here's what goes into a scientific theory...

A person comes up with an idea ("hypothesis") about how something works and describes it with a mathematical, scientific, or other rational model. An experiment is designed to enable observation and measurement of the phenomenon. If the phenomenon behaves as the model predicted, it is then tested with a falsifiable condition expecting it to fail. If all tests seem to go according to plan, the hypothesis can be considered a theory, but it really has to pass peer review first. Other scientists have to be able to repeat the experiment and its results, or design their own experiments, perhaps testing other behaviors. Here's where it gets nerve-wracking or fun for scientists, who live and die (figuratively) by their reputation. If the hypothesis turns out to be bunk, the one who came up with the idea had better come up with a good explanation or become a laughing stock. If he's right, accolades, tenure, and the hypothesis is accepted as a theory.

It is called a theory because in science, no-one is ready to say anything has the final word. Theories can be completely replaced by new ones (Earth-centered universe for the no-center universe), or refined (gravity as described by Newton had some rounding errors that Einstein's Relativity worked out). So "theories" are not the stupid made-up shit like Flat Earth and Fourth Dimension (wait - wasn't that a soul group in the '70s?), but rather accepted scientific models for how the universe works. Until something more precise/reasonable comes along. Flat-Earth made-up shit has not yet been shown to be reasonable under any conditions. Absolutely literally NOTHING has been put forward by the Flat-Earth community that explains an observation using a model uniquely its own, and all Flat-Earth uttered aspersions of the globe model are entirely and utterly spurious.

>>744712943
>it is generally not known that our internet and telephone Communications are a product of underwater InterContinental sea cables.
What kind of retards have you been surrounding yourself with, anon?

>>744718593
So, it's an observed pattern of behavior by flat Earthers in general, and special inclusions for those who are part of a particularly stupid set of Bible interpreters. Remember, NASA in the '60s (Mercury, Gemini, Apollo) was made up of mostly devout Christians. Heck, they *still* make up a good portion. Believing in God did not, does not preclude them from understanding space travel.

>>744713555
ANd you trust ISS a radical islamist origanization

>>744718798
I wouldn't call them retards, at some point in time everybody has believed in something that wasn't completely true.

>>744719004
:) I saw what you did there...

>>744711400
Throw water in the air and tell me what shape it is idiot. Nothing is naturally flat, it doesnt make sense

>>744717902
Please I hope to God this is bait. Fuck it, I'll take it anyways.
Let me explain a little bit about how this works, in the vain hope that I might set someone straight and save them from ending up like you. Science is not a religion. Not even close. Religion is founded on untouchable dogma that must be accepted without question, science is built on falsifiabilty - rather than say "this is what's what, just accept my word for it" we actually try to prove our theories WRONG. That's how we arrive at the conclusions we do. By systematically eliminating the wrong ideas, we move closer and closer to the truth. The idea of science "being proven" is ridiculous. Once something passes all attempts at proving it wrong, then it is provisionally accepted until more information comes along to show otherwise - and then the theory is amended. Science could not be further from religion. Science at least has evidence as support. Religion has only faith, which is the excuse people give when they don't have a good reason to believe something. If you have evidence for something, then it doesn't require faith.

Why are they hiding the flat Earth from us? Can NO ONE answer this with something other than "reasons"?

>>744719189
Let me explain a little bit about how this works: don't feed the trolls.

>>744714993
These flat fags dont want proof they are 90% trolls

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For there being intelligence there also exists such a contraption as 'counterintelligence'
I'm reaching there point in your journey that you recognize your surroundings for what they truly are, it no longer matters whether people insist you are blind to them, but what instead becomes important is understanding how the mesh is undoable. My journey to discovering that we live underneath a firmament began by allowing myself to be trolled for a good 10 minutes until I realized that the more compelling argument came from history, and that all my life I had held the intuition that the Earth is massively stationary, flat as it were.

No curvature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKhJ0AXWY8E

This thread pretty much BTFO of flat earthers

>>744719393
Sadly, there's flat tards who genuinely believe this nonsense. It's the same for many conspiracy theories. They look around their miserable lives and think "This can't be all there is". A crazy theory comes along and they desperately cling to it, believing they are in on a Great Secret. They're not a nobody, but someone enlightened with Truth. Then, they look around at other miserable people and feel superior.

>>744718394

Haha

Earth is around until i get a picture of the edge of the world

>>744719189

OK then prove gravity

>>744719513
Yeah....
So what was it - LSD? Shrooms? Had to be a head drug. Pot's too numbing. First time?

>>744719681
Apparently, no one thought to go to this Antarctic "wall 'o' ice", send up a rocket with a GoPro and unveil this coverup to the world.

>>744719593
Although the flat earth model is shaky at best, the globe earth model doesn't look so hot either. 'Henry cavendish' seems to be the Achilles heel for globe earthers.

>>744719777
Jump.

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>>744710747
>sheol

>>744719777
>OK then prove gravity
Prove not gravity.

>>744715101
See
>>744715096

Fuck dude use youre brain

>>744719894
See
>>744715612

>>744719833
>'Henry cavendish' seems to be the Achilles heel for globe earthers.

I'll bite. How so does HC bring down the globe model?

>>744719841
>It's another "Sheldon's Seoul adventures" episode

>>744716407
Maybe they live on those ships

>>744719777
Using precise measurement tools, we can prove you weigh less as your altitude increases. IF there were no gravity and there is merely "acceleration", this phenomenon would not exist.

This cannot be disproved in the flat Earth model.

>>744720049
Yes, of course... many hundreds of thousands of people will live the rest of their lives working on ships in an armada that defends the Wall 'o' Ice. Sure. Makes sense.

>>744718970
Most of nasa is Masonic I think
>>744719243
It's a sound model, it is congruent with the laws of universal polarization
I speculate that it was as such: globular
>>744719789
I was sober when it clicked

>>744719994
Go look for yourself.
Go to heavens-above.com, and enter your location. Look for ISS passes. Or Iridium flares. I care how well-lit your city is, you'll see the ISS go by, or flares brighter (lower number) than magnitude 0 (which means negative). Go look! You might have to wait a few weeks for the orientation of the Earth and orbit to align with your location, but it will happen eventually.

>>744720243
>I think
Clearly, you don't. You assume, or hope to fulfill your fantasy.

>>744720243
>I was sober when it clicked
Maybe.

>>744720190
>>744720190
Its almost as crazy as saying 6 people are in a metal tube floating around the earth at thousands of km per hour

>>744720390
I'm sorry your schools failed you.

>>744720390
How do planes work?

>>744720032
Gravity is necessary for the globe model. The big G constant was discovered by Henry Cavendish more than 200 years ago, before the Advent of modern electricity and Lighting, by haning lead balls in a shed and watching them move slightly. It is a very very unbelievable story when you look into it.

>>744720390
>Its almost as crazy as saying 6 people are in a metal tube floating around the earth at thousands of km per hour

Not really. We're in regular communication with the ISS. School kids communicate as well. Experiments fly.

These thousands of vanguards of the Antarctic? Nobody communicates with them - no families, loved ones, no radio chatter picked by HAMmers, no rotation of personnel, nothing. But yet you say there are thousands of them. Idiot.

>>744720501
Also it's so funny, when people look into it they begin to realize how ridiculous the story is so they sort of begin to lean on Modern reinterpretations of the same experiment because they know how silly the old story is. His findings have been conveniently altered less than 1% in the last 200 years.

>>744720351
>>744720375
I was mistaken in inviting you to make that biting personal attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI
Last night I was blunted now I'm listening to this debate and entertaining /b/tards

>>744720501
It's unbelievable the way you tell it. Gravity as a force was known. Using it made possible the explanation of planetary motion, including the retrograde/prograde predictions. It became possible to model the solar system in a (nearly) perfect manner. Mercury's perihelion shift was a bit problematic until relativity, which further refines the concept of how gravity affects space and time.

Cavendish merely figured out how to measure the constant "G" associated with gravity in formulae.

You make it sound like it's the end-all to gravity. No wonder you have a hard time with it. You don't understand it.

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>>744720243

>>744721011
>I was mistaken in inviting you to make that biting personal attack
I was mistaken in taking advantage of it. I apologize. Enjoy your high.

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>>744720501
Cavendish didn't divine the apparatus to test for the force of gravity between two bodies, steam power existed long before the 1700s, and batteries existed before "modern" electricity- and Cavendish's experiment. Also, if you want to purport unbelievable stories, regard James Prescott Joule.

>>744720501
Henry Cavendish's experiment was duplicated hundreds and hundreds of times over the centuries. Here's a write up from when the experiment was done with modern equipment in 2008. Results as expected:

http://www.hep.vanderbilt.edu/~johnswe/classes/225a/cavmain

What the flat tards won't tell you is that Cavendish did NOT discover the gravitational constant, he simply developed methods to find the specific gravity of Earth. If you don't understand the difference between those 2 things, you have no reason to bring him up.

Also, gravity is required NOT to exist on a flat Earth- since gravity draws you toward the center of mass, on a flat Earth, the closer you got to the edge, the more it would simulate walking up a steep hill. Something that does not happen.

>>744720725
When youre apart of big black projects you typically dont get to see your family. The government takes care of them and you do your civic duty

>>744720093

Density and buoyancy

>>744721096
Again, to each his own. If you want to believe a man could calculate the mass of the entire planet using led balls in a shed 200 years ago no less. Then by all means go ahead and do that.

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>>744721383
But, he didn't. You can't even get that part of your story straight. You flat tards say he claimed to discover the gravitational constant, when he got a rough estimate of Earth's specific gravity. Once more, if you cannot differentiate those 2 things, you were poorly educated.

>>744721252
The only big black projects are where your little sister earns her meth money.

>>744721311
What about it? Without gravity, air bubbles can freely exist within water with no floating to the top. Don't believe me? Take a bottle of water skydiving, and for the few seconds you're in freefall, shake up the bottle and observe it. As you reach terminal velocity and feel gravity, you'll see the bubbles rise and pop.

>>744721507
Nice response . you people can NEVER defend yourselves. You see all the proof around you but you choose to live in the 1600s

>>744721149

People laugh, but the Flat Earthers know something.

>>744721805
Yeah, they know, somewhere deep down, they've disappointed their fathers.

>>744721799
How can anyone defend themselves against the delusions from the paranoid mind of another? Just run away.

You on the other hand, have nothing. Not one iota of evidence at all of anyone doing any patrolling of any ice wall. Here.. go be a tourist there.
Add “Glamping in Antarctica” to Your Travel Bucket List - $72,000
http://thepointsguy.com/2016/09/glamping-in-antarctica-travel-bucket-list/

Last Week Tonight, Stay Away! Start at 30 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH573B1bkHI

>>744721799
Well, the Heliocentric model came out in the 1600s, and the Renaissance was popular then too. Newton, Galileo, Descartes, hey.

>>744721149
The Earth isn't flat, newfag. It's got hills and shit.
>>744721210
More of an afterglow

I have no explanation of how the Earth got to be

>>744721311
This is nonsense. I experience gravity!

>>744721562
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>>744721217
Simple googles will shed truth on these matters

1) Big G was experimentally discovered by Henry Cavendish in his lab in 1798.

2) his findings have been altered less than 1% since his experiment.

3) the figure he discovered could then be used to calculate the mass of the entire earth and the sun.

Which of these points are incorrect? When you call into question cavendish the entire heliocentric model begins to fall apart as Big G underpins it all.

>>744722087
You think they are really taking you to antartica lol.

>>744721903

I doubt it my dad is a freemason.

>>744722194
Oh dear, it's retarded; point 1 is incorrect. Point 1 being incorrect does not invalidate the Heliocentric model at all.

>>744722304
jesus. he was right. you are a paranoid fuck.

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Nigga just go to the damn edge,
Take a picture i will 100% believe earth is flat

>>744722304
Bring a sextant and figure out for yourself where you are. Celestial navigation really isn't that hard. It does require that you have some tables. There are even software programs to reduce your data on computers. Not sure about phones. I think they figure if you have one, you've got GPS, so why reduce observations?
But I strongly recommend you stop making an ass of yourself by making unfounded claims from the depths of your imagination. Go forth into the world and see for yourself.

>>744722457
I dont see why you just cant help educate me. Im sorry if im coming off argumenative. Ive just recently discovered this flat earth stuff and have been questioning things.

>>744722431
I am tired and you havent even told me how point 1 is incorrect. You wasted your time being disrespectful and making a claim.

>>744722597
It isn't naturalistic
Antarctica is the "edge"
I picture it as a shelf of sorts and idk what's beyond that

>>744722603
Okay thanks man ill look into it. I dont like looking ignorant im just bad at navagation and trying to learn more sorry for being so stuck on something im not 100% sure of

>>744722716
When you wear people's patience thin, they tend to disrespect you.
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>>744722431
Give yourself a rest.

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>>744722654
*sigh*... And of the two models, *that's* your choice? Okay....

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-the-flat-earth-theory-14-ways-the-flat-earth-theory-is-false.t7148/

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>>744722654
no. it's not argumentative. last time I heard a tone like this it was from my step brother when he was going manic. it's extreme, intense paranoia that's dismissive of others in nature.

>>744722832
Its gotta have an edge, over 7 billion people and not 1 pic yeah ok

>>744722883
The flat earth model just seems really creative like how they argue in its favor and stuff its just kind of nice to have something fun and new to believe

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>>744710747
>Only people that are willing to debate no one welcome without actual evidence of both
>flat earth
>geocentric

>>744710747
the sun is no more the center of the universe than the earth is
your premise is invalid
as far as the sun being the center of the solar system, we have sent out several spacecraft to distant planets based on a heliocentric model of our local solar system

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>>744723004

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>>744722883
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>>744723154
Hey thanks for these i think i understand where i was wrong about not trusting flight paths and stuff i feel dumb now

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>>744723241
is the argument finally done?

I wish I could fuck a bish
>>744723499
Nail in the coffin
The elites are getting sloppy with their symbols lmao

>>744723639
There isn't much of an argument to be had. It's op that made the divisiveness about the centricity. One love brother.
The popular model in science is non-centric, it is accepted that the heliocentric model is invalid.

>>744723499
>massive conspiracy that apparently has every major institute cover up that the Earth is truly flat
>"flat earth model" put on UN flag
Really makes you think

this nigga be trollin

>>744723639
Yeah those info graphics made a lot of sense. I was just being stubborn

I still think flat earth is a fun theory, its super creative but you dont realize how wrong it is till you see pictures like that which lay out the facts in an easy to read way. Sorry if i was being sardonic towards you

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>>744724239
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text
Slavery is still legal if the person committed a crime
They don't tell you this in school do they?

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Ill ask again

Explain the northern and southern lights flat earthers

>>744724257
Sardonicity is directionless

>>744725078
Magnetism and streams of charged particles

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Best flat earth there is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ZN289jjDo

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>>744724239
>Really makes you think
Think *what*?
The flag shows the Earth in north polar azimuthal. How else do you symbolize how your organization represents the world's population? Another might be Mercator, biut it's not as aesthetically pleasing. And then flat Earthers would want to say it's square, too.

>>744725221
How come we don't see both of them at the same time? How does the earths magnetic field work on a flat earth?

>>744724884
Ya they do if you took a basic US government/history class in highschool

>>744724884
yeah bro. they told us all a while ago you lose your rights if you do.

>>744725221
Are their any arguments from flat earthers that you kind of understand? Like at least see how they could get it wrong?

>>744725455
It was sarcasm. Fuckin flat tards actually believe it's solid evidence for a flat Earth.

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>>744725613
I'll try to interpret this post: you think I'm a smart person who will help you with your cognitive dissonance instilled unto your conscience by a mysterious flat earther, and you wish for me to grant that the flat earther is at least a decent person, who makes their case because they legitimately have reason and belief to.
It's going to be okay no matter what shape or form the thing we live on most reassembles.

>>744710747
same as yesterday:
>"Earth is flat"
>"Representation of theory is 'round'"

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>>744725778

>>744710747
>Heaven of Heavens
RROLFLFM you mean
>Super Saiyin God Super Saiyin

>>744710747
dumb redneck. you're holding humanity back with your scientific ignorance. kill yourself

>>744726114
Just shut up and answer my question

Jesus you guys try so hard im not even a flat earther just playing devils advocate why do you think i was so quick to fucking apologize you think i read all those infographics in 30 seconds? Im trying to be the "flat earther who saw the truth" to maybe get these other retards to follow. If you were watching the thread youd see i samefagged my past argument earlier in the post

>>744725613
The only argument for flat Earth that I did not understand was when they started talking about the fourth dimension. I'm reasonably convinced they didn't know either.

But for every single argument ever put forward where they tried to use 3D geometry, maths, logic, and/or "science" to prove that the flat Earth model was the singular possible explanation for any phenomenon, I have understood, seen the flaw, pointed it out, and not gotten a definitive response (or cascade of responses) I couldn't further explain away. Hence my copypasta above.
>>744713551
At best, flat Earthers are well-meaning but misdirected people who genuinely seek answers and have never been able to ask anyone who knew how to answer. At worst, they're complete science/education deniers who want to indoctrinate children into repressing critical thinking. And then there are the trolls. And we see them, mostly.

you guys need help.

>>744726305

You are the idiot that still believes we landed on the moon.

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>>744726114
>My post
>>744725613
>>744724252
Here's a nice thread for you
>>744726305
Also for you
I am bad at grammar lol and was kind of spitting out spiritual gibberish trying to sound like a troll
If you were seeking my guidance in understanding the nature of someone who argues for what you know to be wrong, consider that wrongness is only a feeling. You must worry only if someone intends to deceive you by making the appearance of an argument.
>>744726573
I know you're disturbed that there are people who remain uncorrected, when you yourself must be very careful to stay within your own sanity
It is easy letting go, you're among good company.

>>744727111
Gr8 b8, m8.
Actually, it's not. But you sound like you needed a (you).
We cool now?

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>>744726573
Flat earthers aren't people you should bother prescribing the globular model to. There are hills. The Earth isn't flat.
>>744727255
Hi
The people who landed us on the moon also did this botched circumcision

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>>744727466
Oy vey

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>>744727466
Aaaaaannd tha's a wrap.
/thread
(especially with 5 rounds of Capcha - this low-brow troll ain't worth it)

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>>744727676
Anon, /threading only works on posts that you agree with

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You've never fallen for a trick?

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Believe me I wouldn't give a fuck if the Earth were flat if I had an intact dick and bitches to fuck

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Remember to sage if you aren't addressing your own ignorance

>>744727990

Respect my QUAD authoritayyyy !!!
>>744727777

>>744728740
Very nice get Anon but you're still discourteous

>>744728579

I'm circumcised and mine is still intact.

>>744728975
If I pointed to a peeled banana would you tell me it had a skin?

Welcome to 4chan where everything ends up being a penis thread.

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>>744717346
Well duh, he's Bill Nye the Science Guy. Not Bill Nye the Scientist. Its just not as catchy

>>744710747
how come flat earth doesnt have oceans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qhUTH8BLOs
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>>744729552

It has oceans above and below.

>>744711400
>The evidence is right before your eyes.
apparently not