For every instance of human hate I see an instance of love/compassion.

Don't know much about the answer for OP's question, but bump for interest

>>744372191
OP here, I don't expect an answer. Just want to open the discussion for some more thoughtful insight.

>>744371864
What dichotomy? Mammals experience a range of emotions. It's a spectrum. Love and hate aren't some binary values, it's a dynamic and complex multi-variable system that regulates emotions, and mammals experience a wide range and degree of those emotions.

>>744372360
Outside of emotions existing for survival purposes (such as fear, anger, etc.), what value do emotions have in human interactions and society? Why do we seem/appear to experience them more clearly than other mamals?

>>744372663
> Why do we seem/appear to experience them more clearly than other mamals?

Because you aren't other mammals. You would experience them just as clearly as a dog or a mouse, but you aren't a dog or a mouse or even another human, you're you and you experience your own emotions. In other words, it's an artifact of perception. Other mammals experience emotion just as clearly if not more so than humans.

>Outside of emotions existing for survival purposes

ALL emotions exist our of a need. If there wasn't a real survival need for emotions, do your really think we would still have them? No, they are the elemental framework of society.

>>744372360
Sorry to double post, but is it all for survival purposes or something more?

>>744371864
That is the nature of everything down to It's individual parts. The Ocean ebbs and flows, the moon waxes and wanes, there are love and hate, man and woman, birth and death, peace and war. God's nature compensates perfectly.

>>744372856
But what about a gray area?

>>744372846
>is it all for survival purposes or something more?

Something more? What do you have in mind? Everything we have is tied to survival. Everything. Love, hate, fear, compassion, empathy, etc. And every combination thereof. It's the basic building blocks of family which is the precursor to society.

It's like asking what part oil plays in our economy. Emotions ARE society.

>>744373077
If emotions are just for survival then outside of staying alive is there any other point or value to them? Are we only evolved enough to feel these emotions for survival purposes instead of being an individual? Or is being an individual just a by product?

>>744373077
How does this affect consiousness and the prospects of having a soul?

>>744373275
Having agency (being an individual) is part of a spectrum of consciousness. Once you have enough brains as an organism, you become more able to make rational actions as opposed to simply reacting to your body and environment.

Don't miss the forest for the trees, though, dude. It's no less wonderful. It's no less special. It's no less miraculous that we need emotions for survival. It's just the only thing that makes sense.

If emotions are only for survival, then how do you explain selfless acts such as jumping on a grenade or giving away what little you have to those less fortunate? How does that ensure survival?

>>744373481
Is rationality not flawed? What we view as rational is the byproduct of chemical interactions between neurons causing the hallucinations we perceive as reality?

>>744373422
Emotions are part of the building blocks of consciousness.

And the soul is a metaphysical concept that is unaffected by our understanding of material reality, since as a metaphysical concept we can say it's whatever makes the most sense to us.

It's like anything else, you know. You can still believe in evolution and that God created the universe. Once you start getting into territory like that it's open to the imagination because it's not something that can be proven or disproven.

>>744372856
Pretentious faggot detected.
It's just how social animals work. Stop being retarded. It's just instinct.
As an example of how that works, "hate" would be good so you can discard the leach of a society. Some bosses love to fire people who are shit because it makes the life of the good employees easier and more productive. Macro emotion is easy, getting into an individual and why they work their way is the only place things get hard which is why we pay professionals to dig deep and figure it out

>>744373510
In the same way a bunch of ants in a flood will lock themselves together into a chain even if it means some of them will surely die. Or the way cellular organisms respond to environmental toxins by clumping into balls where the outside ones die to protect the inside ones.

It's because we are part of a system. And emotions aren't rational, that's how you explain someone jumping on a grenade. It's an emotional impulse like bashing someone's skull in rage.

>>744373624
We have science and the scientific method to differentiate between fantasy and realty. Because yes, naturally people do come up with irrational nonsense out of ignorance. Like imagining the eclipse is hell eating the sun or whatever..

>>744373510
Because you are not just a product of you. You are a part of a society. That society is what continues your survival. For example, if you have children already, you're already continued into the next generation. The only genes we have are those of people who have had children, therefore we have genes of people who would jump on a grenade to save their friends who will in turn make sure of the safety of your children directly or otherwise

>>744371864
its easy .there are people who put effort to be a better person in determined lapse of time.

>>744371864
What will really rub you the wrong way once you realize it is that almost everything that humans have historically attributed as unique to advanced human agency actually comes naturally to other mammals. Caring for young, compassion, empathy, love, hate, fear, etc. Are all emotions that we share with all mammals, and probably other families of mammals such as birds have something not entirely dissimilar to regulate societal needs.

If emotions only serve the purpose of survival, then we obviously have placed a value on survival evolutionarily or otherwise . What is the purpose/value of survival at all and why do we continue to try to survive and propagate?

>>744374011
So what cognitively is unique to humanity?

>>744374129
I doubt there is anything truly unique to humans other than the degree of all those different things we share among mammals. Other mammals use tools and create shelter, and have emotions and societies, it's just the degree to which humans take it. We specialize in these things, which makes it seem like we ARE those things, but our tools and shelters don't make us who we are. At the end of the day we're another mammal.

>>744374110
We just told you retard. We're emotionally invested.
>>744374011
No it's not. Human agency only has to do with choice

Have any of you even had a crash course on philosophy? That wouldn't be enough but you just sound absolutely retarded

>>744374277
Don't speak for all of us you nut. You might think you're a hammer but I simply don't. A hammer is simply a thing I use

>>744374437
So we are continuing on because we are emotionally invested because that is a survival trait to propegate our species. Why as an consious organism do we care if we propagate or continue as a species? Why bother? Is it just because we exist and literally have nothing better to do?

>>744374734
EMOTIONALLY INVESTED
Is this a troll?

>>744374437
If love is just another aspect to survival is there no value in the emotion itself for what it represents? Same with hate?

>>744374976
No, it's continuing a discussion on someone else's point, not my own.

>>744374437

Instead of acting like a literal child and pretending like you know something, why don't you go ahead and explain yourself instead of this idiotic "better than thou" tone when you are just being pretentious as fuck.

>>744374512
You're not on the same page, m8.

>>744375259
This. Don't give answers without an explaination otherwise its just spewing verbal bullshit without any backing.

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If emotions are only for suvival, how do you explain the emotional distress of pondering this question or having an existential crisis?