If we lacked noses, we wouldn't know things had smells at

>>744291124
Bump

Get in here nerds

>>744291124
Thats the basis of science. that doesnt mean, however, that there is or are or ever has been a god so fuck off you hippie piece of shit

>>744291124

Where is this beautiful place?

>>744291124
of course, there are countless phenomenom that we have no idea to intuitively feel, so we have to project (parts) of them into something we can feel.

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>>744291124
Sean Caroll said that if they are there they'd be very small forces. We have taken most of the universe in account already to such an extent that our current understanding is almost perfect. Quantum gravity is one of such things we need to find and Lisa Randall is promoting to see if we can find evidence for the gravitational effects other universae would have on ours. If we find this then we have proven that we live in a multiverse.

>>744291365
I wasn't debating if there's a god?
>>744291457
It's a town in Norway, I forgot the name :/

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>>744291124

My first thought is the light spectrum. Somehow we know all about it, but we can only "see" the small part of the spectrum termed "visible"

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>>744291124
Intelligent design.

>>744291526
Do you believe the "bubble" of our universe could pop? What happens then? Also the multiverse theory suggests in other universes, the laws of physics could be drastically different. Do you think that could have an affect on how our universe is affected by the surrounding universes?

>>744291740

Also my first "thought", but light must still reflect off of "something." Thus, it is more likely that any unseen world among us is composed of non-baryonic matter.

>>744291563
Damn, what a nice place to visit.

>>744291457
Nordfjord Norway

>>744291124
why is that not a fucking golf course? pray for avalanches

>>744291806
Many believe the structure of man is proof of intelligent design. I myself see so much beauty and "luck" of proper living conditions it's hard for me to believe we have no creator. That being said, the lack of physical proof takes its toll. I guess I'd consider myself agnostic.

>>744291457

Also looks a lot like Numedalslågen, also in Norway.

>>744291124
If we can't see radioactive beams how cum they real m8

>>744292243

Do you think the lack of proper living conditions is why man isn't on Mars, or the moon, or in the heart of the sun?

The fact that there IS perfect living conditions is the only reason life exists here, and if those conditions disappear, so does life.

But perfect living conditions also exist for black mold in the corners of my window panes..

>>744292766
Yeah and Spiderman

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>>744291909
Good questions.
I don't think that the borders of our brane are made out of an material that can be popped, but our universe could explode given that it meets the right conditions. Another universe could have different physics, but there aren't an unlimited amount of ways such an universe could turn out. So, it would be different, but also a bit similar.

>>744292868
Shore not seeing me

>>744292766
Did you not watch this dude? He explains exactly why we know this shit.

https://youtu.be/2n6aJ7v15hs

>>744292912
maor?

>>744293183
Yu not into sarcasm. Sadly nothing to study

if a tree falls in the woods and there is nothing around to hear it, does it make a sound?

>>744293648
Was math created or discovered?

>>744291124
Njorfjord
Can see my ex house from here.
Fuck you ida you herpes carrying cunt.

OT:
Fiolet lighting?
Wind current?
Saw someone using some shit to see the small ripple in airflow with lighting a match and shit, seem so cool but kinda useless unless you are looking for gass leaks in work areas and such

>>744293648

Yes

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>>744293226
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph570df1675e56f you can also find her on Chaturbate under the name Natalia1989

>>744291124
Yes

>>744294080
How u know? Life simulation

Well, i am not sure if those ideas are connected.

The idea of "universal laws/forces" and that detecting them are dependent on our senses.

Smell is a chemical energy, that we've evolved to take advantage of. So is taste. So is touch. So is hearing.

All of our senses are based on transforming energy of one kind or another into a signal that our brain can understand and our body can make use of.

But the form which we percieve them as is basically arbitrary. There is no such thing as "scent", we just percieve and understand and explain the signals we have evolved to produce in response to the presence of certain chemicals as smell. Same for touch, or hearing or sight.

We can design a machine to pick up electromagnetic radiation, and theoretically augment our brains to understand it in some way kind of like sight or hear or touch or another method of perception as qualitatively different from the others as touch is to hearing(keep in mind, at the most basic level, they're both just pressure on some specially designed sensory cells).

>>744294593
had to put muh clover on so ppl wont call me a redditfag for spacing my shit like a retard.
find the kys button and execute

>>744294982

I always post with my clover on. Because i am an arrogant, conceited oldfag, and i like the attention.

Thank you by the way, for giving it to me.

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>>744295086

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>>744295467

*curls up in your lap and purrs*

>>744295086
fucking newfag
[spoiler] wait, there's no spoilers in /b/ to put a concealed ',:^) [/spoiler]

>>744291124
Life is just a stepping stone man. We exist to learn about things before we return back to the universal consciousness. We're merely instruments of the universe attempting to understand itself. We die and we go back to being part of everything. There's all kinds of things possible outside our understanding of physics.

>>744297095
that was dope bro
am not kidding

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>>744296215
*getting an uncomfortable boner here*

>>744297095
Damn dopesmoker. Why do you think that the universe has a consciousness?

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>>744297855

Here, have something that will kill it, or make you even more uncomfortable about still having it.

>>744297095
This part of the universe says you're a faggot.

>>744291124
>knowing about higher and lower dimension
>cant experience 4th dimension
>cant experience 2nd dimension

>>744297095
>attempting
Word

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>>744297925
Not really. It made me visualize you with a buttplug in while lying on my lap.

>>744298702

I would only consider one if it had a tail on it.

I really want a tail. I think humans end too abruptly.

We cannot detect thermal radiation or x-rays or radio waves but still have the means to detect and measure them. Hell, people in the 12th century would have burned you as a witch if you tried to explain such forces. There are definitely laws and forces and probably even types of matter that we dont know about yet.

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>>744298789
You would consider a plug with a tail.
You'd probably wear one with your furry suit, amirite?
There are still humans being born with tails, but they usually get removed at birth.

>>744291124
Obviously

>>744299090

Nah. I'm not a furry. Kind of wish i was. But there is no animal other than man that i identify with.

Furries are cute as fuck though. I envy them.

we understand around 4% of the universe. the rest we give names like dark matter, dark ernergy and so forth.

so yes, there is a shitton yet to discover

>>744294593
Exactly. Imagine the techs we haven't discovered. Radar, electrosensitivity, am radio these are all things we cannot "sense" and obviously there are more ways to detect energy in the world that we haven't been able to observe. This is kinda ops question

>>744299217
Live furry porn is hilarious.
I identify with rabbits and i'll let you figure out why.

>>744299704
Normal matter, the stuff of you, the stuff of me, planets, stars, and cheese sandwiches, amounts to only about 4.9% of the total matter and energy content of the universe. 26.8% of matter is 'dark', we know it's there because on large, cosmic, scales stuff moves around faster than it should and because the way that galaxies strew themselves across space is consistent with the existence of vast amounts of slow-moving gravitating 'stuff' that never turns into stars or planets or anything, just stays as diffuse, invisible, incredibly antisocial particles.

So, that's more than 4%, right?

>>744297904
Any complex system in the universe is capable of gaining some rudimentary form of consciousness. Consciousness does not depend on sentience. Plants have consciousness, animals have consciousness, stars in space have shown a slight ability to alter their own paths. The human brain is complex as fuck and we have consciousness. All consciousness in the universe is as much a force of nature as gravity, we just perceive it differently.

>>744299802
I never said anything that conflicts with that do you have a point?

>>744299704

Well, basically i'm saying that if a force exists which exerts no force.... then it might as well not exist. And any force that does exert a force... we'll be able to detect, or have detected.

The only place left for "currently undiscovered forces" are in the unsolved gaps in physics. So like, maybe there is a way to see dark energy or dark matter, as they do have an effect, but not one we can easily figure out like we can measure electromagnetism or gravity.

Otherwise, no, no new forces should exist.

>>744299802

there is a huge difference in observing the effects and observing the cause.


for all we know it could be something different which would turn our laws of physics upside down. i'm not implying that i think that is the case.

it's just a known unknown. but there is plenty of unknown unknown.

>>744299802
>we know it's there
Wrong. We believe it's there and rationalize an explanation to explain the phenomenon we observe, but we do not know for certain.
https://phys.org/news/2016-11-theory-gravity-dark.html
Physics is undergoing a sort of self-reexamination right now.

>>744291124

well duh.....

Of course there's things we can't detect yet. It's only been in the past century we've been able to to detect radiation.

>>744300013
>stars in space hgave shown a slight ability to alter their own paths
Did they now? Stars think? Stars can aware? For really? Yes?

>The human brain is complex as fuck
It is not the most complex thing ever. Compared to several GPUs lined up in a row, it is a wet soggy wad of sod. Now maybe intelligence or the phenomenon of negentropy is a natural consequence of the universe in of itself, who knows.

But fuck if you're going to say stars in space can into trajectory adjustment because they are conscious.

>>744293915
>Looking for gas leak
>lights a match
What could go wrong?

>>744300083
False Logic. Energy and matter can both change, and in a number of ways that are incalculable as we cannot measure all of them yet. It is possible that energy can alter due to entropy into forces that we cannot know about as of yet.

>>744300385
Look it up. There's a lot of new research being done into the concept of a universal field of consciousness. I'm not saying it's all true, just a neat way of looking at things.

>>744300611
Why am I looking up your proofs.

>>744300058
Was intended for the poster above you

>>744291457
нopдфьopд нopвeгия

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>>744291124
humans cannot percieve more that 90% of the em spectrum. we have no idea what dark matter or dark energy is, even though it makes up 75% of the universe. we can't see the center of the universe because something is bending the light around it to a degree through massive gravitational forces. even though the universe is still expanding, galaxies are being attracted by the thousands or millions to specific points across the cosmos, we cant see these points directly, but our radioscopes can. there is more we dont know or percieve than what we do.

>>744293893
discovered. math is just the pathway to the answer.

>>744300751
Because I'm not trying to prove anything. If you wanna know more look it up. Otherwise just do you man.

>>744295086
>oldfag
>2012

In your dreams kid.

>>744300385
>Compared to several GPUs lined up in a row, it is a wet soggy wad of sod

oh lord, kill yourself.

Yeah

Think about how much of the electromagnetic spectrum we're unable to detect.

>>744300497
>>744302274

2012 is just the earliest year 4chan passes became available. I'm from 2005.

>>744302511
Why.

>>744291124
Uh I think that's a given considering what we know about other species of animals, dolphins and including dogs that have other/better senses than us humans.

>>744300150
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/life-unbounded/this-is-what-we-done28099t-know-about-the-universe/ i quoted from here

>>744303228
>blog
>March 12, 2014
>yet to me
>There's an awful lot we don't know

>>744291124
>Do you believe universal laws/forces of nature exist, that we are yet to discover, as we lack the proper senses or equipment to detect it?
>what's radiation of all varieties
>what's gravity if Einsteins theories are wrong
and that's things which we can merely view the effects on, imagine what we're missing which doesn't interact with our current senses/tech

>>744291124
Thing like magnetism. We cannot sense magnetism, never could. However we can see its effect over things, and have been able to for basically forever (see lodestone).

Now, smell isn't even a real sense. It is our nose picking up particles and relating it to us. It is basically touch (the shape of the molecules hitting the receptors provides different but predictable sensations).

I doubt we are missing anything big because we would already notice the effect it is having on the world.

>>744303499
did you prefer i used their website www.scientificamerican.com/?
Anyway. The other article is good, but we have no certainty that it's THE theory we should go with yet and i haven't seen anyone else mention this theory yet. Perhaps, because it still needs more peer review and testing. And the article really says nothing about how much DM and DE there actually are, it only says that the amount is probably different that what we currently assume.

>>744303823
>I doubt we are missing anything big because we would already notice the effect it is having on the world.

Particle physics is a Big one for one, also many unexplained things like Synchronicity and Psychic phenomena, and superhuman abilities like savants etc..

>>744304051
>prefer
Well, no. It reads like a blog post anyways, there are personal pronouns. And it's dated. By about 3 years.

>we have no certainty that it's THE theory
No shit, it's theoretical physics. But it is food for thought, both especially because of the clear and present sense of a need to revise and ratify the current workings of physics, quantum and classics, and that the theory itself doesn't require the existence of dark matter in the model/s it purports, on top of other things. Where nobody has produced a dark matter particle to observe as of yet. And, it does say how much "DM" and "DE" there actually is; it alleges there is none. If it says that the amount is probably different from what we currently assume, as in, 0%, then it definitely says something about the amount of "DM" and "DE", that there is 0%.

It's not as if many people are still trying to solve the conundrum of trying to link quantum and classical physics together.

>>744291124
Of course. Bees see in everything in infared light or something similar to the sort. Porpoises use echolocation to find food.

>>744305021
>infared
Ultraviolet, damn it.

>>744291124
There are colors out there that we just can't see

Like think about that for a second
A fucking color that you can't even imagine or explain

Also there are more dimensions

Imagine if you lived in a 2d world
You wouldn't be able to comprehend up or down yet it's so simple to us

So there's probably some 4d aliens out there that think we're retarded cause we can't like see their 4th dimension

Shits crazy yo

>>744304800
>Well, no. It reads like a blog post anyways, there are personal pronouns. And it's dated. By about 3 years.
Still doesn't mean that the information is incorrect and fact is that it wasn't incorrect.

> If it says that the amount is probably different from what we currently assume, as in, 0%

Yeah, i misread that part.
Still, NASA is (or was) a firm believer in Dark Matter and claimed to have found evidence for dark matter as seen in this article of 2006 even adressing the other theories of gravity that the other article mentioned.

>>744291124
Oh also gravity is total bullshit
Like seriously
There is absolutely no force in the world that just magically pulls stuff together

Like if you think about it for a second you'll realize how retarded it is and how it doesn't make sense

I can almost guarantee that within the next thousand years someone smarter than me will prove gravity isn't real

>>744305768
Yup and we can;t fly, not because of gravity, but because the atmosphere is too dense and heavy for us to not be affected by it.

>>744292085
Ive seen stuff like that in PA, US. Havnt traveled much though.

>>744305768
gravity is one of those things left unanswered
No one really knows what causes it. I'd die happy knowing it for sure what causes it.

>>744305602
No.
Colour is a characteristic of human vision.
by definition there are no colours that we cannot see.
IR, UV is not a colour it is electromagnetic radiation like radio waves, microwaves, xrays, etc etc etc. We cannot see them, they do not have colour.

>>744305768
there are four natural forces that exist that magically pull stuff together. without magic pulling forces nothing would exist.

how can you define understanding something? at what level of explanation will you be satisfied? possibly it is infinite? cannot be explained? eventually you will go further further further down and the answer will be "just because". no?

>>744305602
>2d world
>You wouldn't be able to comprehend up or down
Depth. Not up or down, in and out. And it wouldn't matter, because you can't meaningfully conceptualize being able to scale an object in size without moving the object from its point of origin on the 3 directional axes.

>>744305750
>Still doesn't mean that the information is incorrect
One. If the information is not current, it runs the chance of being invalidated by new findings or revised information.
Two. If you write about how you feel things are, you are not writing about how things actually are. Any time you invoke anecdote or imagined possibilities without any substance or demonstrable basis for falsifiability, you lose credibility. What I read was more like an opinion piece, not a scientific journal.
Three. Fact is that it is no longer gospel and should have never been considered such. We are now in an age where, surprise surprise, people are looking diligently for a unified theory of everything after the countless events regarding the massive particle collides and the incredible amounts of data they would need to use machines to run through. Is the universe naturally ugly or supersymmetric? What is gravity? Are photons really affected retroactively?

>2006
2006.
>was
Was is a good word to focus on. Remember when monarchs were firm believers that the world was flat, or that the Sun orbited the Earth, while addressing the heretical notion that the world was round or that the Earth orbited the Sun? It sincerely should not be the case that you look to a figure of authority and suggest that because they do or did believe in something, that it is. Claimed to have found evidence for dark matter. That's great, but if it happened in 2006, and dark matter was absolutely discovered and proven beyond reasonable doubt, we would not be where we are now. So, a claim is just that.

And it can be incorrect. Faster than light neutrinos were an error.

>>744291124
It is 100% certain there are laws we have yet to discover. There are known problems with the current laws and theories that require such a thing. How those new, improved laws will look like? If I knew that I would be winning myself a Nobel prize instead of posting on /b/

>>744291124
If a tree falls in the forest, it sends out vibrations. If a creature with ears is nearby, it will perceive those vibrations as sound.

>>744307308>>744307308
Way to fly in the face of conventional wisdom, anon.

>>744291124
ultraviolet light and infrared light would be examples

but I guess we discovered those

>>744306500
>If you write about how you feel things are, you are not writing about how things actually are

Unless it's only in the introduction, which it was. Also, information will either be false or right, but your feelings never influence the truth of the information. So him mentioning his feleings might be annoying, but perhaps we should ignore that and simply look at what he was trying to say rather than complaining at how he said it. Which why i said and i repeat: Still doesn't mean that the information is .

I never suggested that i'm not open towards new theories. And neither have i suggested that this isn't an ever developping field. Would be quite sad if it was a field that never develops.

Yeah, no shit, but the monarchs had fewer reasons to assume the Earth was flat (even though many people in that time knew that the Earth was round, because they did not refuse to learn from the ancient Greeks.

NASA claimed to have found evidence for dark matter, which means that they believed in it. I have not stated that they found dark matter.

2006 is a time ago, but it does not automatically mean that we should refuse it. At least not until its proven to be false, which it hasn't been yet, at all.

yeah, faster than light neutrinos were an error, but photons on the other hand... We have lasers that can go up to 300 times the speed of light.

>>744291806
caecum
so its rather unintelligent design

>>744291457

Stryn, Norway :)

>>744305768
>>744305959
>gravity is one of those things left unanswered
retards, this shit was understood nearly a century ago.
gravity=acceleration
(the force of accelerating in a car which pushed your head back, is the same thing happening to space time as the giant ball of matter called earth, is warping spacetime to the point where we're constantly falling into it, just as everything else in the solar system is falling aka accelerating into the sun

>>744305994
>those billions of colours on birds wings which only birds can see
explain this then you fucking faggot.

light does not magically exist because we can see it with our eyes, dipshit.

>>744291124
One of the reasons I don't put a lot of faith in science is that sciencefags put too much faith in their instruments. There could be a thousand possible senses, and we possess five. We could be unable to perceive almost everything.

nothing but a bunch of retarded 12 year olld shitbirds ITTq

>>744308866
That's why we build machines, dipshit. They can do a whole lot more observating than we can.
Its like saying that you don't tust math, because human brains make errors. To which can only say "no, shit, dipshit, that's why we made calculators"

>>744308208
>Unless it's only in the introduction

>https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/life-unbounded/this-is-what-we-done28099t-know-about-the-universe/
>In recent days I've had some interesting conversations
>But it leaves me feeling a little askew
>a wee bit simplistic
>But for me nothing compares to the perspective
>a terrible linguistic fail, I know
>Big problem, honking big problem
>incredibly antisocial particles
>This one is close to my heart
>But even when the President of the United States introduces a lovely glossy TV series all about science
>that doesn't mean that governments or industry give a fig about paying to solve the problem
>So we continue to bumble along
>What!?
>is a bit of an epic fail
I'm not going to comb through the rest because it is there. Clearly, this is only the introduction.

>Also, information will either be false or right
>false or right
False or true, wrong or right. False or right or wrong or true? Oh, words.
>your feelings never influence the truth of the information
They do when you write in an opinionated way. You can deliberately choose to side with one side of the coin because it makes you feel better, for example. Climate change? No, that's expensive.

>perhaps we should ignore that and simply look at what he was trying to say rather than complaining at how he said it
Oh, it was considered, and it was determined that what was said should not be the only thing considered. It is conceivable to construct a model without dark matter or energies; we should not just assume that just because
>the way that galaxies strew themselves across space is consistent with the existence of vast amounts of slow-moving gravitating 'stuff' that never turns into stars or planets or anything
that this is exactly the case. This is the popular theory, because this was once the only considered theory. No longer, not since a while.

>>744308208

>Still doesn't mean that the information is
And I repeat that it does mean that it is " ."
>And neither have i suggested that this isn't an ever developing field
The sentiment is as much from the link you sourced, and this post in particular
>>744299802
>Normal matter, the stuff of you, the stuff of me, planets, stars, and cheese sandwiches, amounts to only about 4.9% of the total matter and energy content of the universe
Which is apparently an adaptation of the text in the link you sourced.

>the monarchs had fewer reasons to assume the Earth was flat
They had more reasons. No one had really traveled the globe. Bodies in the heavens weren't really understood nor could be seen in any reasonable way to give rise to the idea that they were "round". Mountains would only allow you to see the horizon; the horizon was thought to be a real, extant geological feature, hence the flat Earth theory. And things that were flat, were simple. It was simpler to suggest that the Earth was flat. And not many peasants were literate, or had access to ancient texts or translations therein. That came with the Renaissance.

>>744308208
>NASA claimed to have found evidence for dark matter
>which means that they believed in it
And I have this
https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article-abstract/452/3/3030/1079420/The-rise-and-fall-of-a-challenger-the-Bullet?redirectedFrom=fulltext
>I have not stated that they found dark matter
And that's my point. If they found evidence for dark matter, evidence that was indisputable, would it not follow that you would be able to use the evidence to find more evidence of dark matter at or near home? Is it not, what, a greater percentage of the known universe than the matter here right now? Why could you not find dark matter in the solar system? And should you not be able to find dark matter particles themselves if you have irrefutable evidence of dark matter, thus knowledge of where to look for dark matter or the effects therein? You said it yourself. NASA claimed to have found evidence. It doesn't at all mean that they've found dark matter, even now. So you cannot absolutely say you know that dark matter exists. Nobody does.

>but it does not automatically mean that we should refuse it
I'm about sure I gave reasons why we should begin to be skeptical of it, or even refuse it exactly. Sun orbits the Earth.

>but photons on the other hand
Photons are light. Photons are the particle you would look at for C.
>300 times the speed of light
Really? Are you sure that's what's happening?

>>744291934
>non-baryonic matter.
except for the fact that everything but protons, neutrons, and electrons have half-lives on the order of nanoseconds...

When light reflects off something, it just means that the photons incident on the surface have hit an atom and been reflected rather than absorbed. That's not the part of the problem to be mystified about. General cases are explainable in poolball-physics terms, it doesn't even require quantum theory.

>>744291934
yet there it is

>>744302274
lol newfags detected