Those of you who used to be leftists (because I know you're

I'm a little more complex than most of you simpletons. I use critical thought. I think Bernie is right about most social issues. To have a strong nation, we need to have an educated and healthy populace, so 'free' education and 'free' healthcare are sound investments. On the flipside, ending DACA and sending those entitled little assholes back home to the shit holes where they came from is a good idea. We need to protect America, Americans, and American jobs. Fuck the rest of the world, we don't owe them anything.

The absolute faggotry of it all.

Fuck off, Dave. I'm not watching your cuck YouTube videos.

>>744125450
None of us leftists moved away from the core political view, we just drove from the General cringe of the last 3 years

they all just seem to lack common sense

when I realized that BLM was a racist movement supported by the mainstream media

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>>744125450
I wasn't driven right, I voted for the Bern and later Hilldog.
I was however driven more center because there are too many fucking loonies on the left for me to identify with.
Fuck this whole political spectrum tbqh

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>>744125450
I'm not. If anything this past two years has driven me even further left.

Fuck the Dems and Repubs.

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I've moved much closer to the middle in the last couple of years. Professional victimhood and it's entire media-academic-political industry drove me away. Also, black people cut their own throats and blame white people for their own failures. I've come to realize that "diversity" is alright when it occurs organically but when it's enforced...it can never work. Also, our Western-Atlantic civilization is the only civilization that considers multiculturalism and diversity to be positive. Every other civilization, even modern civs like Japan, are terrible tribal and xenophobic. So many leftists hate western civilization for providing them with the freedoms they use to criticize it.

I also moved out of the dorm room into the real world and stopped being angry at mommy and daddy for no reason.

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>>744125450
>lifelong liberal republican
>fiscally conservative, socially liberal
>uphold our often incompatible ideals and find compromise on a case-by-case basis by merit
>rush limberger becomes Jesus, plus bill orielly and hannity pitch the party hardline right to wacko conspiracy level shit
>separates the retards from the intellectuals
>ooh anon, you're called classical liberal now
>wtf
>that's like centrism
>we're not ah, aligning with that anymore
>and that means you're a democrat
>wait wot
>since no one knows how the GOP will survive the boomer die-off, the tea party extremists are our only hope
>but they're dangerous crazy idiots
>yea we know, but wit r we gon do? We gotta win somehow.
>be principled?
>nobody cares about that, anon.

>get called leftist by trumptards


Liberal does not equal leftist you maligned cunts.

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>>744125450

Not completely sure what Americaners classify as left, but I supported most of Bernie policies but I lost respect for him up until he showed he didn't had a spine and stood his ground in his own rally.

If he was serious I guess he would had been the best option and might had won against Trump. But since politics seems to me like shooting your foot to bleed harder than your oponent and make a show of it to gain votes, then fuck taking sides.

I choose me and my people over any other political bullshit since I can remember.

>>744125450

idpol. only my politics haven't really changed. the cancer just shifted around me.

>>744125450
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3xi9rNrQlXo
Ape

>>744125450
if some reporter were to find these girls today, i wonder what the would have to say. Perhaps they would regret their actions in hindsight as being detracting from their cause . Or maybe they feel their voice motivated some movement? Or maybe they just look at at cringe at how stupid and silly it all was, no longer active in any social movements and disillusioned by the idea of creating significant change.

>>744125450
I'm still one. I'm not a Christian and I don't think science is fake news. So why would I be a republicunt

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>>744125450
Cuz, Niggers.

>>744125450
I reached the age of reason.

>>744125450
>What finally drove you away?

Long story.

In a nutshell the modern incarnation of liberalism has become profoundly anti-liberal values and is based on the paranoid delusion of that we're on the verge of a Nazi take over of America.

Here is a brief list of the attempted Nazi take overs of America
> 1994 Republicans win congress and redesign the school lunch funding process: "They're gonna starve those poor kids!" No kids starved.

> 2000 George Bush was going to make America a theocracy. Somehow that takeover was snuffed.

> 2008 Keith Olbermann insisted that John McCain suspend his presidential campaign "until it no longer represents a clear and present danger to peace in this nation".

> 201X the dark brown White Supremist George Zimmerman gunned down a Black man for walking in his hoodie (not for mounting him and pounding him for a whole minute)

> 201X Gentle giant Mikey Brown was gunned down by a racis cop for jaywalking (not beating him up and trying to grab his gun).

> 2016 notorious Nazi Donald Trump wins the vote running on a "literally Hitler" campaign per Louis CK and every fellow progressive.


I had to conclude that the constant racis' / Nazi hysteria was a manifestation of cognitive dysfunction that was deliberately manufactured by my "leaders" to keep the money pouring in.

The last straw is that progressivism has now become totalitarian: say something wrong and they'll turn a blind eye to antifa violence.

>>744126551
I would even go so far as to say that diversite should be encouraged, but I agree that enforcement rarely makes it better. For example employers could make a point of bringing in minority groups for interviews but still hiring the most qualified candidate regardless of background and not try to fill quotas.

>>744126032
Truth. Except for the "educated" part. We need to encourage blue collar work more if we are to get our economy going. Millions of jobs are unfilled right now because "highly educated" people don't have the skills for them

>>744126480
>Toast the rich
why don't you be a decent person and strive to be rich instead of envying people?

>>744125450
Ben Shapiro

>>744126551
The best way to red pill someone is by letting them grow up

>>744130654

I still favor a Scandinavian style secular, democratic socialist society, but America can't handle that.

Hell, soon Scandinavia won't be able to handle it.

>>744125450
Too fucking whiny and while Rebulicans certainly have stupid problems otherwise with themselves it's literally nothing compared to the hypocrisy of Libs. Their agenda is pushed everywhere so I don't like eating it up like every other faggot on the planet.

I'm a leftist liberal, says all the online tests and shit

But I've never once agreed with Democrats. I voted for Trump, though I don't agree with him on everything (as everyone doesn't always agree with whoever is president). But he's doing a fine job, better than most previous presidents. I never voted for Hillary or Bernie cause they're flat-out fucking retarded and corrupt. Why anyone else would ever want to vote for someone like them, is far beyond me.

>>744125450
Deciding to look into what the other side was actually saying.

When I realized my party at the time, the democratic party, was simultaneously advocating for the expansion of social welfare programs and calling tighter border control racist. It was at that point I realized I was supporting a group with no real direction or plan.

<Companies want money
<Get money by doing better job
<If you hire right people you can do better job

>>744125450
The people who are on the far side. I think we do need change but I don't like the mob mentality they have and how the majority of them just seem to hate. I wouldn't consider myself on the right because I do believe that everyone is equal but I'm not as hardcore as the far left.

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>>744125450
Thirty years ago I started out as an anarchocommunist. But over time, decades of having to actually work with reds, leftists, campus radicals, tankies, and trots convinced me that under no circumstances am I prepared to share and share alike with these lazy, shiftless, irresponsible glory hounds. When there's a flag to wave in front of a camera or a fiery manifesto to sign, they're first in line with their hands up. But the second there's actual work to be done, dry, boring, unglamorous scutwork which actually NEEDS to get done in order for anything to happen, they vanish like smoke.

These days I identify as mutualist. Mutualism is usually regarded as slightly right of centre. I haven't become any less anarchist, but I want to be able to keep all my stuff. I'm not sharing with anyone unless I decide to share, and you can be sure as fuck I'm not sharing with a pack of parasites.

>>744131168
maybe you should learn how the economy work's.... not everyone gets to be rich

I was a leftist when I was a kid, simply because I though it was fair to the less fortunate.
What turned me away was that I realised the left is just a pyramid scheme for idiots who want to do good but don't understand human nature nor basic economics.
If you're a commie/socialist, you simply don't understand what wealth is or the accumulation of it.

>>744131969
He said you could strive to be rich, dumbass.

I grew up and learned about life. I stopped dying my hair and got a job.

>>744132070
The word you're looking for is greedy.

>>744132183
Explain yourself further pls

>>744130834
>>744131275
Also FBI statistics and The Bell Curve. Crime stats are boner hard undeniable and The Bell Curve is only controversial to regular people, not to academics who study that subject matter for a living. These academics and experts don't like to talk about race and IQ, but they've quietly and discreetly known the truth for decades. The Bell Curve is never criticized for it's scholarship, but only for it's political correctness. Even on the Amazon 1-star reviews people ask, "Why do this?" as their reason for voting it down.

>>744125450
LEarning economics.

I'm not political, I believe ALL politicans suck. Last election I voted for Vermin Supreme. The past few years though have changed my neutrality towards all to
>neutral to all except extreme liberals who can go fuck themselves

Too much entitlement, no responsibility, pushing for Gibs me dats for anyone who wants to come to America while people that have been here all thier lives struggle to keep a place and buy food for thier kids.
Who gives a fuck about bathrooms for attack helicopters when we have families that are struggling to stay off the street?

Grew up in a working class union household, family always voted democrat since way way back. So I voted democrat.

Then they started in with their bullshit gun control crap, healthcare crap, etc.

Glad I switched. The left likes to be selective in the rights they choose to support.

>>744126032
This is National Socialism to a fucking T...

>>744131319
This. The USA is too big and diverse in many aspects that socialism can't work in such a country, it would be a shitstorm.

>>744125450
When social issues became the only issues. Faggots want to fag, fine, but damn, why does everyone with a mental disorder have to be treated equal? It doesn't make society better to make the worst of us normal.

>>744132401
Exactly.
The best for your people.

>>744125450
I read a book

>>744132382
The Dems would be so much more attractive on the healthcare issue if they'd just take a page from Sanders. I say that as a very middle of the road guy who was never a supporter of Sanders but thought his taking the single payer argument national was his one redeeming quality. The ACA is fucking byzantine in how complex and arcane it is.

As far as guns, while I support some limited gun control I'm amazed at how far the Democratic party, supposedly the party of working classes, has gotten from that constituency. Working class people everywhere tend to like their guns. There are other issues like this too where the left has separated itself from the causes and issues and PEOPLE they claim to champion.

>>744125450
Primitive Hierarchical social and command structures are for stupid apes.

Intelligent commoditization and allotment of resources in a flat, dynamic array is optimal, as in a proper matrix organization, exemplified by the best performing subsidiaries in aerospace. Your country is stuck in the 1700s and won't even survive competing against china and India on your home turf, and none if those will stand a chance against the first nation with the guts to try and work out non-hierarchical organization.

But in the mean time, sure, keep voting for lords, who vote for kings, from the same two parties every four years, and call it representative government. Maybe you'll even get lucky again! lol

>>744125450
Just hard to keep up. The left kept adopting so many new ideals without giving time to adjust and went more and more radical I eventually found myself agreeing more with the right who is far more centrists these days in comparison.

I'm still quite left on a few issues regarding the environment and gay rights but hen it comes to guns, trans, black lives matter, silencing free speech, immigration and their insane belief of sexism and racism everywhere I just can't get into.

Also I found the right are much easier to talk to even in disagreements they at least don't get personal and stick to topics and discussion is possible.
Left on the other hand became intolerable , friends will literally disown and shame for having any political views they disagree with.

Also I would say the left have become openly supportive of communism which is just ridiculous.

As for education. Look I get the appeal of free college and I agree with it however I do think it should be limited to STEM courses and others that actually benefit society. There is a such large number of useless and ideological courses available today that if it were made free then a college degree would be completely worthless. Those degrees are novelties and do not benefit society merely the individual and should be paid for out of their own pocket.

>Be a white kid growing up in Los Angeles
>Mexicans / Hispanics: "Hey gringo! You can't come to this neighborhood! You better get out of here before we kill you!!"

Eventually those same Mexicans / Hispanics took over my neighborhood.

>Hey gringo! We're gonna spray paint your house and your windows! And if you paint over it we're going to kill you!

And things got worse as they murdered each other in the street every single night. It was basically a foreign power that occupied my city.

Now as a white guy if I threatened someone with violence because of their race I would be called a racist. But when Mexicans and Hispanics do it everyone pretends its not a bad thing.

>>744125450
i'm still extremely liberal, but have very serious issues with the progressives and the democratic party

what really made it intolerable was the absolute and total denial of facts regarding race and gender. see the james damore incident for a perfect example. he wasn't being even remotely sexist, he presented a thoroughly cited case regarding preference differences between the sexes, and how the existing diversity programs were wrong. but he was crucified for it. every single media outlet grossly misrepresented what he said. gizmodo, in breaking the story, stripped it of the dozens of citations of peer reviewed studies he made. people in the neuroscience fields backed his paper 100%. but he questioned this insane orthodoxy that men and women don't have different preferences, and disparities are the result of sexism exclusively

then there's the gender wage gap; it's total bullshit and absolutely does not exist. yet if you question it at all, say it's anything other than at least 17%, you're out. you're an alt-right women hating nazi shitlord.

affirmative action is reverse discrimination and wholly unacceptable. yet you're labeled a racist, for having the audacity to want a color-blind, gender-blind, merit based system. and they refuse to even note that at the top schools, it isn't even white people that would benefit, it would be asian people; they would dominate the admissions for the best schools over whites. yet question affirmative action, you're a white supremecist

the bottom line is that modern progressives are not seeking to end sexism and racism, and discrimination based on those, they're seeking to instead flip which groups are favored and discriminated against.

[cont]

>>744132070
>left doesn't understand basic economics

lol
People who apply their political ideologies to economics and are dumb enough to not realize there are countless other ways to do that as well and come up with equally compelling results, don't understand economics, or the intent of economics, anywhere near as well as they think they do, if at all.

Try again retard.

>>744132027
This shit right here.
I absolutely fucking hate when cucks do this "Dear world, we're sorry for x/y/z!", "We're the laughing stock of the world now!", "Oh, world forgive us!", NOBODY gives a shit you self centered fucks. NOBODY cares about your goddam self righteous ego where you bastards think everyone else hinges on every action your country does.
"Our president/minister/faggot-in-chief has humiliated us before the world!!!"
God dammit, I hate every faggot with their head up their ass who write this shit.

>>744125450
I too smrt for dem libtards.
They r dum.

So dum.

> Graduate with Bachelor or Journalism.
> I paid $50,000 to get a BJ if you will
> Typical lefty 23 year old know-it-all
> Go to work for newspaper in mid-size city

There I learned that the facts do NOT fit the narrative and you do NOT cross the narrative. You do NOT even let on that the narrative needs revision.

Here are the unofficial commandments of jouralism that I learned first hand

> Never under any circumstances report anything that makes Israel look bad

> You do NOT print obviously Black names involved in unacceptable activities

> Any stories that could paint minorities in a bad light MUST be framed as caused by a lack of resources or institutional racism

> The sexually unorthodox must not be painted as in anyway responsible for problem afflicting their communities (i.e. AIDS was caused by societal apathy, NOT industrial scale butt-fucking)

> Poverty must always be an unexplained condition with the behavior of the people in the neighborhood cannot be mentioned for fear that readers will draw the wrong (anti-narrative) conclusions

> Article comments had to be disabled because "We're worried about the people we report on." NOT because unwashed and uneducated readers might draw anti-narrative conclusions.

> Religion must not be painted in unfavorable light with the exception of Catholic molestation and then the overwhelmingly homosexual nature of those molestations must NOT be mentioned because, of course, it's "immaterial".

>>744133341
Well, North Koreans do.

>>744132612
Underrated post

>>744125450

Bernie should have kicked those fat niggers off the stage. WTF was that? Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em hard all the way back to Africa. Get the she-boons the fuck out of scene.

Better question is what drove me away from choosing any specific side on the political spectrum. Theres so much shit I radically disagree with on the left the same way theres so much shit i radically disagree with on the right. the Alt-left have a lot of dumb opinions like often being open about almost everything, calling everyone a racist that leans towards the right at all, being braindead when it comes to other people voting their opponents. (a great example Hillary vs. Trump, Hillary is a warmongering bitch and trump is a senile idiot).

The right on the other hand has a lot of anti-globalist ideals, calls anyone who leans towards their left with any opion as an SJW and often make the same points about leftists that piss them off about leftists without realising it.

I think calling either side dumb for the actions of people who are part of either side is stupid, the same way it is stupid to choose your opinions based on what your political spectrum believes in. So I'm not gonna go with either, don't know if that means that im in the middle or outside the spectrum. I do care about politics however, cause they do affect us whether we like them or not so I'm not a 'fuck politics' type of guy either.

>>744133242

[cont]

and the hate speech issue is huge. free speech is fucking important, and all these calls to make "hate speech" illegal are shitting all over our country's most important values. and the level of delusion is intense: say hate speech was outlawed today. Trump is in power. How the fuck you think the Trump administration is going to define hate speech? are they complete idiots? hate speech laws right now would target THEM.

and yet for all their complaints about police, all the black people killed by police, all the black people in prison, they generally won't even talk about the root cause of militarized police that routinely violate civil rights, generally in a racist manner: the drug war. sure they want their legal pot, but that's where it ends. it's ignorance. if they want to restore police accountability, respect for police, and end the mass civil rights violations, they have to end the drug war entirely. but they refuse to support that, and desperately want this racist civil rights nightmare expanded now because of opiates


i could go on with even more shit.

i absolutely abhor conservatives and the alt right. Trump is the absolute worst president ever. The *only* conservative position i support is their stance on 2nd amendment rights.
i fully support social safety nets
i fully support trans- rights to use their bathroom of choice

and that leaves me completely unable to support either side, because they're both freedom trashing fascists. but i hate the right a lot more than the left, because the right only has one policy point that's not fucking evil

>>744133330
Wow. You do realize that you're validating my statement, right?
Butturt commie much?

>>744130981
I agree but theres gotta be more incentive to blue collar work, otherwise people won't do those jobs.

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ANTIFA

>>744133242
This shit and being forced to agree with every cause the minority are into.

Left became its all or nothing, us vs them.

>>744132669
>issues
Exactly. That's why my family now votes predominately republican, with the exception of a few local and state candidates.

On healthcare, the real problem that no one seems to be looking into is that hospitals have a huge profit margin, even though they claim to be non-profits. Services which cost them $20 are marked up to several hundred dollars, and services which cost $1,000 are marked up to $10,000.

I work in an occupational medicine clinic that doesn't take insurance (everything billed direct to the client company). A drug screen we charge $50 for would cost $150 at a hospital. Exact same service, three times the cost.

Fix that, and the other problems will fix themselves.

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>>744126480
Why am I not surprised that someone this "far left" would lack basic reading comprehension?

>>744125450
Found out 4chan was the crucible of all memes went to pol saw actual political points and discussion saw media do fucked up shit ect.

>>744125450
>Those of you who used to be leftists (because I know you're out there). What finally drove you away?

marketing research. sage.

>>744125450
When I found out that the leadership was Into witchcraft was the start of the end....

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>>744125450
Feminism, political correctness and Obama not living up to the "Chaaange!" meme (fucker was as bad for net neutrality/freedom and shit like tppa as like any other stooge.)

Supported Trump from day one and he's doing a fine job. No regrets.
I also was open to Bernie until his "white people don't know what it's like to be poor" pandering.
Letting himself get cucked by BLM, pushing invisibility of whites among those in poverty, and shilling for Hillary were the 3 strikes for that fool.

>>744125450
When the left started ramping up the identity politics. Oh, now we can't point out niggers are violent. Now we can't talk about spice being violent. Oh, that's racist anon.

Yes, we are racist, so what. Everyone is, and the lefts own research has proven it and talks about it when they consult police stations nationwide. We are racist. Pretending we're not isn't honest. What is honest, is that there are a lot of races of people shitting up our country with immorality and violence, and it needs to be solved, and how can you fucking solve a thing if you can't even mention it by name in the national discussion? Name theoroblem, then solve it. Niggers and spics are violent criminals, and until you get rid of them, there can be no progress in the USA.

>>744133886
I don't know if insentives are needed, a trade is usually going to be a well paying job with alot of security and opportunities. I think the problem is the stigma that goes along with blue collar work. If we could eliminate that I think we would have more people in the trades.

I still consider myself a leftist, but with some right wing ideas sprinkled in. I think national healthcare would be a huge benefit, I think university should be free. On the other hand, I don't support lax immigration laws, I think islam is largely a plague on humanity, and I don't buy into feminist/sjw cancer.

It's pretty fucking obvious that women and men are biologically different in many ways, and most minority groups aren't early as oppressed as they claim. Also trannys and fags? Totally cool with you getting married, soing your thing, but don't demnand that we all respect you and feed into your bullshit.

>>744133757
oh and let's not forget another absolute travesty..

the fucking "college rape epidemic"... first of all, it doesn't fucking exist. but even worse, they've set up these insane kangaroo courts that completely and absolutely strip men of due process. they won't except evidence from male accused, they only allow pre-written questions, and only certain questions are approved, they absolutely ignore any evidence of innocence-- there's cases where the girl has explicitly said 'he actually didn't rape me', yet they proceed to find the guy guilty and expel him anyway. and affirmative consent is stupid. any accusation from a girl is believed without question. no matter how many holes the story has, no matter what, the girl is believed. if a man accuses a women of sexual misconduct, everything he says is considered to be a lie.
Not only do progressives and democrats love this system, with many thinking it doesn't go far enough, they're trying to get it into regular criminal courts as well
it's extreme anti-male sexism, and an absolute destruction of due process, in favor of a guilt-upon-accusation system that doesn't even allow for the possibility of proving your innocence.
yet if you question any of it, or god forbid, advocate for due process or challenge the campus rape crisis myth, you're instantly labeled a rape apologist, a sexist, etc

>>744133932
>On healthcare, the real problem that no one seems to be looking into is that hospitals have a huge profit margin, even though they claim to be non-profits. Services which cost them $20 are marked up to several hundred dollars, and services which cost $1,000 are marked up to $10,000.

Economists have been dissecting and analyzing these fucked up hidden market pricing effects for decades. Unfortunately for the US, it makes companies money, and politicians like companies making money more than anything in the world, so they have no carrots to address the complete economic scope of the healtcare crisis. Eventually, they will have sticks to motivate them instead, but they hope by them, they'll be retired and some other sucker will get to deal with that nightmare.

>>744126032

Bernie was absolutely right. But the mainstream left is so swallowed up by identity politics, victim complexing, and corporate corruption that I can't stomach them.

Republicans are just as bad. Exploiting religion and reveling in greed is fucking us over bad.

>>744135396
>republican
>like lower taxes
>everyone is a racist faggot
>my life

>>744135396
If mainstream center-left liberals would retake control of the Democratic Party doing away with identity politics they'd be an entirely different party. Trump's economic nationalism is much more inherently Democratic than Republican imho.

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Thee reasons:

First; when you have a household to keep together, left wing politics go straight out the window. I can think about an ideal world and suffer for it and make no progress, or I can make the best of the system I'm in and do right by my wife and likely our future children. I have a full time job in a large company and I actually have career prospects now. I actually get to see where my taxes go, how they're used and what I like/don't like about it. This is the real world and it might not be perfect but I'm not gonna let anyone ruin it for me and cost me my livelihood.

Second, my parents have always leaned centre towards right. Traditionally Labour voters (Britbong) but more likely Libertarian and started identifying more with Tories. My relationship with them dramatically improved when I got a real job, moved out, got a stable relationship and my politics shaped accordingly. Approval from parents likely weighed in on the change of heart from centre left politics.

Third, the left movement as it is today is poisoned with extreme ideologies and cult like mentality, which I've always abhorred. Not that the right isn't either but there is at least either dignity in or it's pretty harmless for the most part. The left have caused the people we used to ridicule (Nazis, et all) to become relevant and made their own extremists out to be the "good guys". That should be enough to disillusion anyone from that side of the political spectrum. But then their collective hate for anyone who questions their status quo was the biggest reason that drove me away. Too much ridiculous bullshit, not enough questions answered or self awareness.

>>744132382

Normies never left the Democrats. The party left them.

They used to genuinely support the working class, but now they're owned by the wog and degenerate freak mafias.

They can only stay in power by painting a picture of Nazis and Klansmen on the verge of committing another Holocaust.

>>744125450
I'll chime in here as foreigner.

I'm a New Zealander and so my perspective is going to be little different than most other peoples.

I'll start by calling myself a centerist. I generally vote left/center left simply because those parties (Labour, Greens, TOP) aren't National and National are a bunch of useless fucks who are right centre right. However whenever Labour appears to be an even bigger bunch of useless fucks I vote National/ACT for shits and giggles and because David Seymour is funny.

Anywho when it comes to America and American politics - I can't say I hate Trump. In fact I'd say he is the leader that America, both needs, but more so deserves. He is loud obnoxious fuck you to the hypocritical, lying fucks who seem to think they're clever and open minded because they're 'progressive'.

The massive problem though is that literally none of these people is open minded or progressive. They're the successors to the generations of god bothers and moralists who spent years telling people who they could and couldn't fuck.

The more the left (primarily american, but lets face it, it's spreading) pulls this shit, the more media continues to cry wolf over every little thing, and outright lie whilst ignoring their own bulshit, the more people are simply going to be driven right and eventually all of the values that I actually agree with on the left are going to be completely ignored.

>>744126032
There's nothing wrong with an educated populace, except that what they want is nothing more than liberal brainwashing that goes on in colleges these days. If a conservative speaker wants to give a speech, the college will shut it down and the snowflakes will start a riot. That combined with how nearly all professors are leftists means that college is just a circle jerk where everyone tries to brainwash people to liberal ideas.

That's the case for liberal arts anyway which is the majority of students (especially females). When it comes to the STEM fields this is less true because the material is objective. You can't make math into a political issue. Although knowing liberals they probably will make all math word problems and statistics homework problems be political and do problems on the math of the Trump election.

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>>744135787
I've thought for a while that the Left, particularly in Britain, has too many contradictions to be relevant. They desire to be the party of working class people, yet are opposed to that constituency on immigration, the EU, and numerous other social policies. They're too cosmopolitan to represent the working classes. I am glad to see class warfare as a political angle finally wear itself out, however. The Tories seem to be Britain's government by default.

>>744125450

When a broad segment of the base seemed to be unable to discuss anything beyond identity politics. There are so many issues that are far more consequential, be it nuclear proliferation, the spread of islamic terrorism, climate change, poverty, you name it. Yet the only time this generation seems animated is when their screeching about white privilege.

>>744136712
The last election was quite marvellous where the Tories essentially stayed quiet while the left publicly ate itself and completely divided the voting working class. A hung parliament was predicted by the closing polls and it's so obvious on hindsight. It very much reflects what I see online every day. Strong and stable? No, but still the best option when compared to the rest.

>>744136001
so you think the billionaire conman that packed his cabinet and advisors with other billionaires is on the side of the working class?

the republicans do everything they can to lower taxes and give other handouts to the super rich, even though we've known trickle-down doesn't work for decades.

as much as the democrats indeed are not supportive of the working class, they're still miles ahead of the republicans.

>>744137255
It's remarkable how some in the British media are reacting to the hung parliament as ALMOST a Labour victory even though May is the PM. Labour simply outperformed expectations and considering their awful situation that's almost considered a "win."

People confuse political alignment with party affiliation. Both Democrats and Repugnants are right leaning, it is just the Repugs are reactionary. "Liberal" has become a spectre in American culture.

>>744137397
I don't think the Democratic party is the party of working people, but their policies incidentally though not intentionally benefit the working class. The Dems, in my opinion, are the party of responsible, pragmatic stewardship (the 'governing' party anyway...not the activist base and media arms.) They're much more comfy in a silicon valley or wall st board room than a union hall or a bar during happy hour. They're too culturally cosmopolitan for the working class.

>>744137538
It reminds me of that morning, listening to the radio broadcasts where some idiot from the SNP was trying to say it was their second biggest victory ever. Whilst technically true, they lost over twenty seats in Scotland. Ridiculous, though I suppose that's what we deserve from the "everyone is a winner" generation.

>>744125450
I still am a "leftist".

I just don't agree with open immigration or the destruction of gender roles and culture. Liberals claim to be all about science, they should know women and men are physically different.

>>744137941
Wasn't it Scotland that saved the Tories in the last election? They were able to pull out victories in 3-way races between Labour, Con, and SNP?

>>744138017
Centrist

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>>744125450
this

>>744135739
Shit, one of the biggest reasons that Trump won that the Dems don't talk about is because - wait for it boys and girls - HE FOCUSED ON INTERNAL ECONOMIC ISSUES.

Civil rights are seriously important. There are some problems in America we need to address. But when we're getting destroyed by rising costs of living, housing and tuition costs increasing higher than the rate of inflation, and wages stagnating, people are going to go to a candidate that wants to address the biggest issue.

Civil rights don't mean shit when you can't feed your family. Given the number of people seriously struggling who are trying to make their lives better, this is a huge fucking issue.

>>744135396
Liberalism isn't leftist in any meaningful sense. Cultural critique isn't meaningful, nor is it the least fucking business of government.

>>744126470
>voted for hillary
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

>>744126246
This.

>>744138017
>women and men are physically different
Are you implying that physical differences must naturally lead to one sex being subordinate to the other? That's some weird metaphysics, m9.
100% with you on the open immigration bullshit. That's how the left-neoliberals create underclasses to keep the working class poor. The right-neoliberals prefer to create underclasses by inventing new crimes out of typical human behavior.

>>744138172
Yeah. There's always been an undercurrent of Torie support in Scotland, though I would say it was more the disappointment by the SNP and a stagnant Labour that would have encouraged apathy votes for the Tories than any defining selling point.

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>>744126480
being a halfbreed jew that grew up killing nazis in video games, there's nothing I've wanted more than to get the chance to kill a nazi, cause thats all a nazi deserves. so my guns are with antifa.

>>744131168
I'm making $70,000 in my starting job and in 5 years I'll be making $120,000.

Not rich but a kid from the blue collar shitty life has no where to go but up. I just don't forget what it's like to live shitty and that I'm atypical when it comes to getting out of here.

>>744133982
Fuck you eat dicks.

>>744139162
What?

>>744125450
Well I found 4chan and was converted

>>744125450
started paying closer attention to their campaign promises and what they actually do once in office.

>>744125450
Nothing drove me away. My political things have always remained the same. The leftist identity has moved much further left in the past 4 years to the point where my views no longer align with the new left ideology.

Also free education is retarded. What this does is just create more liberal arts majors. College should be an investment, not a 4 year party. Those who are poor but want to do an employable degree still have ways to do it through loans, bursaries and scholarships. If free education was a thing, people who didn't want to pay 100k for a liberal arts degree will now gladly do it for free. They'll end up jobless either way.

Free healthcare I like. Everyone should have the right to live a healthy life. Only reason why it hasn't happened is because of insurance lobbyists.

>>744131168
Wyh strive, so your unproductive lazy ass can make money off of my aspirations? Choke on dicks, Puritan.

>>744138562
but he lied about it. his policies exclusively benefit the rich at the expense of the working class.
all his claimed successes are bullshit, he bribed a few companies into creating a small number of jobs by giving them tax deals to cover the jobs with taxpayer money, with a nice cut to the owners
anyone voting for trump based on his economic promises was either a fool, ignorant, or rich and knew the deal

the reason trump won, the ONLY reason, was because hillary was an absolute god-awful candidate. trump got fewer republican votes than the previous republican candidates in all the swing states that gave him the victory--- but that was eclipsed by the vastly larger number of democrats who stayed home instead of voting for clinton (or switching to trump). that's what gave trump the victory.

>>744139452
Actually, they've moved right. All this marketplace-of-idpol shit is just free market principles imposed on social relations, rather than the organic forms of social relations that naturally form when people are free to interact and associate as they like.
>College should be an investment
Why? By whom? What kind of sick fucking neoliberal thinks that monetary debt should be used to control people?

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>>744139237
im a syndicalist and i believe the only good nazis a dead nazi?

>>744137397
>so you think the billionaire conman that packed his cabinet and advisors with other billionaires is on the side of the working class?

No. Where did you learn to read?

Please quote where in my post I said that Republicans ran on a working class platform and I'll retract.

What I said is that Democrats have changed from a party that ran on working class advancement to one that has abandoned that and instead proclaims that it will protect the wog and degenerate freak mafias from the imminent Holocaust that is about to be visited upon them by the tens of millions of Nazis and Klansmen that populate the rest of the U.S.

>>744139632
>Why? By whom? What kind of sick fucking neoliberal thinks that monetary debt should be used to control people?

Even if you are dirt poor, it will still be advantageous to go to college for an employable degree using bursaries, scholarships and loans. If you are dirt poor and want to study psychology, you should gtfo since you won't be benefiting society once you graduate. Why should taxpayers pay for people's education for them to work at starbucks in 4 years?

>>744139237
what do you do for work?

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think its time to form a squad of torch and burn this shit down.

>>744139918
Fair.
>>744140208
Banking. It's a Jew game but occasionally the Gentiles get in.

>>744140038
sorry, 99% of people who say the democrats aren't on the side of the working class, and the other shit you said (freak mafias, painting as nazis) do so with the clear message that republicans represent an alternative to that (that they ARE on the side of the working class)
if that's not what you were getting on, sorry, i misread.

>>744125450
learning that:
- life is unfair and you cannot do a single thing about it
- easy comes, easy goes
- sometimes you'll lose and sometimes you'll win but both scenarios only exist if you assume an active position regarding life. Assuming a passive-agressive position leads only to either no-win-no-lose or to a pyrric win
- Money has a price and there's not a single, powerful force who dictates it but the combination of multiple dynamic and chaotic forces who dictates its prices.
- Earning money demands taking risks and spending resources; there's no easy money out there... remember, easy comes, easy goes
- therefore redistributionism, collectivism and socialism are denials of the dynamics of price formations and wealth creation as well as subverting the natural order by denying the existence of selfishness in human beings
- being in denial estranges the people from knowing the truth and profiting from it

Comments like this >>744126032
, if not baiting, are a little proof about what i've written. Self-indulgence on a so-called "intellectual capacity" is another kind of negationism who's harmful to the search of the truth; arrogance joined with a sense of entitlement is nothing more like childish, immature behavior and the antithesis of mind progress, which, its true, is needed to have a strong nation.

>>744126480
This.

>>744139162
I used to be left, but now I just want to fuck people like you up.
You're such fucking hypocrites, and you're all little bitches too. Can't wait till next time I have the chance to smack one of you in the mouth.

>>744125450
Gov free abortions pls
All who disagree are nazi
Punch all Nazi
Traps are gay.
Gays are sick ave need help.

>>744140109
One, taxes don't pay for spending. That's simply a custom that central banks use to force the government to borrow at interest from private banks.
Two, it's incorrect that the only value that can be received from a post-secondary education in the humanities are those facts dispensed in coursework. That would be less incorrect if such as logic and critical thinking were actually taught, tested, and required for a high school diploma, but arguably there aren't enough instructional hours for that when there are ever important facts about dead Great Men to recite.
Three, as part of the nation's labor force that gives the dollar its value as a call upon the nation's labor and services, the nation gains more from training its people than by not. Vo-tech should be an option for post-secondary education as well.

>>744140419
>- life is unfair and you cannot do a single thing about it
Nah, you're just benefiting from the unfairness, or hope to. In other words, you're the moderate Democrat the party wants.
>>744140419
>- Money has a price and there's not a single, powerful force who dictates it but the combination of multiple dynamic and chaotic forces who dictates its prices.
Nah, you're just a neoliberal who needs to be killed.
>- Earning money demands taking risks and spending resources; there's no easy money out there... remember, easy comes, easy goes
Nice self-contradiction. Just the sort of self-serving horseshit I'd expect out of a neoliberal who should kill themselves.
>denials of the dynamics of price
Exactly the sort of market fetishism that I would expect out of a neoliberal who should be killed if they don't kill themselves pretty soon.
>knowing the truth and profiting from it
Exactly the sort of psychopathy I would expect from a neoliberal who really should be killed painfully and have their limbs found each in a different county.

When I finally realized that I wasn't happy living the lifestyle that leftists considered ideal. I felt like I had constantly sensor myself and I couldn't be a man, like I was trying to please everybody and make sure they were ok.
Eventually I just broke and decided that everybody that isn't me is automatically stupid until proven otherwise.

>>744125450
I still support Bernie, dude clearly cares about this country considering he's been in politics for so long, I just don't like Hillary and I'd much prefer Trump to Hillary. I'm getting more and more redpilled though as more cancerous groups like BLM and Antifa start popping up.

>>744125450
The utter hypocrisy of people who I thought were supposed to be basing their opinions on logic and reality instead of hysteria and lies.

I farted while skimming this thread

>>744141176
You just said life is fair. Why you a leftie then?

>>744142083
>Why you a leftie then?
I'm a leftIST because neoliberals, i.e. anyone whose political thought is treated as legitimate by most (((journalists))), are right wing and need to be gassed. Cultural critique is something that, for the most part, I give zero fucks about. Economics is the only thing that matters. Everything else self-organizes around it.
Does that answer your question?

>>744125450
>bulletproof written on her chest
i wanna test that theory. no wonder they're so angry and wild, nobody wants to fuck their ugly asses.

>>744140608
i will defend myself with lethat force if necessary. attack me and give me my reason to kill you.

>>744140608
so you're a nazi sympathizer?

>>744142535
It does not.
If life is fair, what difference do politics make on economics?
Also, you're a fascist.

>>744142841
They are prolly just tired of all the faggotry, same as a growing number of people. It's past seeing the other persons point now, let's just have the war/purge/whatever

>>744142841
If the nazis want to give you a good smacking, then yes I am.
You're a bigger threat to freedom than they are.

>>744126032
The problem with your thought process is the fucking 'HOW' you can have loads of education and healthy populace.

Your solution is to TAKE money from one group and give it to another, who, is inherently shitty at dealing with money.

The other, more complex, more intelligent, and better option is to stimulate the economy with less restriction and create more jobs and make an environment where people can better their own lives through work, which, in turn, creates better lives for those around them because they are working an contributing.


But you are the one sitting there on your fat ass thinking that you are more complex.

>>744143033
I don't believe I said it is fair at the moment. I meant to imply that those who say it's unfair are those who make it unfair, and therefore ought to be eliminated.
Also, I'm not a fascist. Killing neoliberals is not fascist. It's human.

>>744143452
>take
It was given to you in the first place. You didn't earn shit. Earning is a social matter. If we could afford to starve you to death, we would.
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

>>744126032
have a look at this and tell me what you think
Not looking to start a flame war, just curious to hear a counter argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr4TZMPmbuw

>>744142726
I'm not the aggressor.
That said, I bet your bark is loud but your bite ain't vicious, as usual.

>>744133242
>>744133757
>>744134621
to add one last pointed example... "color-blind" casting is all the rage. everyone cheered for Hamilton casting black actors as actual historical characters that were white men. Race didn't matter and anyone saying otherwise was a racist. then we come to Ghost in the Shell, where a white actress was cast in the role of an Asian character. Progressives were furious. It was white-washing, insulting and appropriating Asian culture. The race of the character absolutely matters! Proof beyond question that the agenda isn't color-blindness, it's simply punishing white men for past discrimination by overtly discriminating against them now.
And the final part of all these travesties... despite me being very very clearly far left, despising the right, that's still not enough to get into a good-faith discussion about any of those issues. rational, logical, scientific debate, even between allies that absolutely hate the right, is absolutely off the table. you're shouted down as a hater, and that's the end of the conversation. they absolutely will not engage with any criticism whatsoever of the progressive agenda.

i will always vote for the democratic candidate, because of how abhorrent conservatives are, but if they want to win back majorities, they need to fucking address all these points i've made

>>744132027
but he won...
>math right?

>>744143859
>It was given to you in the first place. You didn't earn shit. Earning is a social matter. If we could afford to starve you to death, we would.
>Kill yourself, neoliberal.

oh, i get it, you're completely disconnected from reality

honestly what the fuck did that even mean

>>744126470
>there are too many fucking loonies on the left
I've always found this the reason libs get a bad rep, all the nutjobs are given a mouthpiece and receive no backlash for the stupid shit they say. Of course, they're now starting to learn, after that ladies FB post.

>>744143859
You're wrong. The world is unfair because people are born different, with different means.
And yes, wanting to kill people because they hold opinions that differ from yours is fascist.
That's cool though, your kind is likely to die first anyway.

>>744142726
So by that logic, you all should've been shot dead in Berkeley, right?

I just started liking Trump because it's fun to piss of liberals.

>>744126480
>further left
>fuck both sides

>>744144678
>implying Democrats are leftists

Gtfo

>>744144606
Nigger misspelled off

>>744144298
he won because our system is set up such that some peoples votes count more than others. if you live in nebraska, your vote counts more than someone who lives in new york.

it's a fundamentally unfair system. somebodies vote shouldn't count less than someone elses because of where they live.

>>744125450
>What finally drove you away?
nothing. still am

>>744144731
>typical antifa behaviour

>>744141800
only david duke uses blm and antifa in the same sentence

>>744144076
>everyone cheered for Hamilton casting black actors as actual historical characters that were white men
Of course. Deep down, Democrats are New England Protestant aristocrats, fancying themselves the rescuers in the Karpman drama triangle.
>it's simply punishing white men for past discrimination by overtly discriminating against them now.
Nah, they couldn't care less about the past. The agenda is just about dispensation of righteousness.
>i will always vote for the democratic candidate
Then you are not nearly as far left as you think you are, if you think a party that gives quarter to (((moderates))) shouldn't be spanked hard until they kick them out.

>>744144330
Why do people keep talking about their myths as if denying them were denying reality?
"Earning is a social matter" means that the rightness of your exchange is subjective and not a private matter. There are no private transactions when your money (((competes))) with mine. We decide whether you earned it or stole it.
The money in the first place was given to banks through """lending""" at interest, which the government has no actual reason to do. It can print the same amount of money as the wealth that is created by its people rather than paying interest on it. Under that sort of regime, it's unsurprising that banks undemocratically rule us all.

>>744144565
>people are born different, with different means
Inheritance tax can fix that, if you weren't just using the rhetoric of competition to hide from yourself and others that your entire existence is built upon jewing others.
>>744144565
>And yes, wanting to kill people because they hold opinions that differ from yours is fascist.
No, that's just shitty liberal rhetoric, which is reason enough for you to be killed, in addition to your psychopathic neoliberalism. Can you tell me why people who suggest we should allow ourselves to be sold and bought shouldn't be killed, if there is literally no other way to exclude them from society?

>>744141849
north korea is hysteria to you? huh. while it has potential to kill the most people, which makes it the worse thing he's done, he's killed hundreds already in iraq and sent more to get killed in afghanistan

>>744144678
>>744144932
The Democrat Party is a center-right party, or at least its (((donors))) want it to be. Wealth is (almost) never leftist. Get out of your amerifat tug-of-war fantasy world and understand that the rest of the world wants you corporate partishills dead.

a feminist once said something mean to me so now I hate all women

>>744145090
>Inheritance tax
>Tax people because their parents and grandparents succeeded in life
I'm sensing a lot of self loathing here

>>744132422
What do you even mean by too diverse to implement socialism?

Do black people need different healthcare?

I mean we've already implemented socialist k-12 education. Modern lefties just want to extend that socialization to post secondary because it's as much of an economic necessity as high school was when it became socialized.

We have very diverse socialized schools.

The only way your argument makes any sense is if you're talking about diversity of opinion. But I don't think that saying "people will never come around to it" is justification to deny anything. If that were the case nothing would ever change at all.

>>744125450
>What finally drove you away?

I grew up.

>>744145222
>the (((Jews)))
I thought summer was over?

>>744143325
gratest threat to america is trump. whoever replaces him, we're going to get a new election, won't beable to fix north korea

>>744143452
>stimulate the economy with less restriction
that's a lie told by republican. restriction leads to jobs. you know how much pg e paid to test their systems when te gov't came asking what caused their blackout last year?

>>744145090
>Then you are not nearly as far left as you think you are, if you think a party that gives quarter to (((moderates))) shouldn't be spanked hard until they kick them out.


i'm not willing to vote to trash the country, like trump and company are doing now, in order to correct the flaws with the left.


and can someone please explain what (((this))) means

>>744145313
>greatest threat

>>744143878
one step below a tabloid, it's a youtube blog

>>744144298
mueller is going to tell us if he won or he stole it

>>744145459
the challenges should occur in the primaries.

like supporting bernie sanders over clinton, or whichever man-hating establishment candidate is next in line for coronation (looking at you kamala "fuck due process, they supported prostitution" harris)

>>744145459
>and can someone please explain what (((this))) means
come back when you're old enough to post here

>>744144333
loones on the left? limbaugh, oreilly, imus and tucker carlson. shit, spicer, conway, quasimodo huckbee are bat shit crazy

>>744145647
>looking at you kamala "fuck due process, they supported prostitution" harris
that pissed me off so much, her reasoning was fucking moronic.

>>744145682
yeah, because it's not like that parentheses shit is something that never occurred on /b/ before 6 months ago. im just so young and new.
my guess is it originated from /pol/, which i avoid like the plague.

>>744144606
not old enough to vote

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>>744125450
I noticed that if current demographic and immigration trends continued that white people would go extinct. I'm not a fan of racial genocide, especially against the race that all the good things in the world come from. When I voiced my concerns which where based on critical thinking and extrapolating evidence from relevant data, I was met with accusations of "nazi" and a total refusal to have a conversation based on statistics and within the parameters of reality. This then forced me to find somewhere in the world where free speech still exists in order to discuss these issues. Funnily enough, one of the only places where people are free to discuss politics openly without censorship is /pol/ so I had no choice but to discuss it there. Then, being someone who is on the side of free speech, science, and critical thinking, I naturally became a conservative. I genuinely believe that liberalism is a mental illness

>>744125450
Niggers.

Everywhere.

I used to be pretty left wing in high school But became more of a centrist after seeing how shitty most liberals are. No respect for values, manners or others opinions. I realized I was raised better than to be a disrespectful hipster with a superiority complex. I still hate the extreme right, but I also hate the left. All extremism is garbage

>>744145690

that picture doesn't make any sense in and of its self.

>>744145807
yup, and the judge flat out told her what she was doing was wrong, but she kept refiling and pushing ahead anyway

she kept claiming they were supporting child sex trafficking, even though when the 1 in 10,000,00 underage post came up, they *helped* law enforcement track down who posted the ad

>>744144794
Same here. OP is a fag.

>>744145282
socialism won't work here, we're capitalists. we have social programs for the week, in hope of their children become better than their parents. but if you really want socialism, move your ass to africa and farm

>>744145771
but politicians aren't actually listening to their batshit ideas, now are they. Haven't heard Ted Cruz say the water makes the frogs gay.

>>744145837
nah, newfag, its been around for ages. You just need to lurk more before posting stupid shit.

>>744125450
I turned even further to the left since I learned that the ideology of global big capital will in the end alienate and destroy democracy; and the painfull divorce is already happening ( usa, china, india, russia to name a few ).

>>744125450
The people who proclaim that their identity makes their viewpoint more valid either intentionally sabotaging social movements -- like in OWS -- or being too self-centered & ignorant to care that they were stalling the rev

>>744125450
The sjw feminism bullshit made me regret being left. starting my own business and having it fail do to regulations that only let the rich succeed solidified me being libertarian/conservative.

>>744145244
Success is morally loaded language that you, once again, use to justify your aggressions against others. You merely succeed at a game that the oligarchs have told you to play, over our objections. We decide whether you succeed at life, bitch.
No self-loathing here. I just want to genocide liberals.

>>744145304
I bet you said the same thing 3500 years ago. gb2reddit

>>744145647
Kamala Harris is another neoliberal who, in a just world, would be against the wall. Moderates really do need to be gassed.

>>744136135
this was how ww2 started in germany, to a T.

>>744126032
This. This. This.

Only the best for Americans in terms of healthcare, education, job market.

Fuck everyone else, including illegal immigrants who come here to take advantage of our country, then have the nerve to claim they have a right to stay. GTFO and take your anchor baby with you.

>>744146098
>socialism
>Africa
Pick one

Also socialism and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. In fact we are not at all strictly capitalist. As I said previously, we have a socialized k-12 education system. Lefties who call themselves socialists simply believe that the line should be moved to accommodate for modern advancements in medicine and the economy for the well being of those who are down on their luck. No one is arguing for free cars. You're confusing socialism with communism.

>>744146014
the russian trolls are back

>>744147126
>for the well being of those who are down on their luck
You don't speak for leftists, liberal. Spare us the moralism and the "deserving poor" rhetoric. We demand a decent living FOR ALL, not just the "deserving poor". Take that dispensational crap back to early 19th-century Britain.
>free cars
Socialists want public transport, not bourgeois individualism. People don't get to pull away from other people. If distinction is the only thing that's motivating their muh success, then society isn't being served well by it and we can do without it.

>>744126480
And you should be shot first

>>744147126
what the fuck is it that you want? no bitch we can't afford it. you don't need it. if you want it save up for it

>>744146284
>nah, newfag, its been around for ages. You just need to lurk more before posting stupid shit.

not on /b/ it hasn't. don't lie.

>>744147389
what does russian trolls have to do with kamala harris' prosecution of backpage?
did you think i was talking about hillary or something?

>>744147558
Bring it bitch

>>744145647
>>744145807
samefag

>>744125450
When you say leftist do you mean someone who is communist or socialist,or do you mean some one who is left leaning or liberal?

>>744147593
>no bitch we can't afford it
We can too afford it, at the expense of your precious self-esteem and the idea that you're better than anyone else.

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>>744145459
>i'm not willing to vote to trash the country
The US was designed as a republic. All republics are right-wing, in that they assume into existence an overclass who is fit to manage an underclass any way they see fit.
Liberals still aren't the left, and no amount of pompous arrogance and lying is going to make that so, so you can just stop.
>what (((this))) means
Pic related

>>744147747
>kamala harris' prosecution of backpage
she wanted to take down backpage and you're against that? that page is fucking scum. this isn't silkroad or alphabay, it's a whole different level of shit

>>744147593
Single payer would cost less overall than our current individual mandate system by cutting out for profit middlemen. We can afford it. Especially considering we waste trillions of dollars on jets that don't work in hopes that we can blow up brown people so that the military industrial complex and the oil industry profit.

>>744147990
bait

>>744126784

this.

unfortunately, the word "conservative" does not mean what people think it means either. these days, the people who call themselves conservatives are fucking science-denying, climate change denying racist nazi retards.

>>744148025
i hate insurance companies and be for it but that's not a fight you'd win in america land of capitalism

>>744147990
>Liberals still aren't the left
?
Liberals are on the left. WTF are you talking about? the socialists and liberals on the left, libertarians and conservatives on the right.

>>744148357
Saying that only makes it true. The majority of Americans support medicare for all already. The problem is getting politicians in Washington that reflect that. The hard part about that is the fact that the insurance companies have basically bought the government (reps and dems) to work in their favor. And obamacare is a reflection of that. It gives insurance companies more customers by subsidizing those whole couldn't otherwise afford their product.

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>>744125450
>bernie getting cucked by hillary
>hillary pandering to feminazis about "muh glass ceiling"
>nigger riots & looting
>giving transgenders special restrooms
>legalizing gay marrage
I'm surprised that America put up with all that horseshit for so long.

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>>744148371
and this is the biggest problem right now, noone knows what a fucking political spectrum is

>>744148780
Was following you until the gay marriage thing. Why do you give a fuck? I mean I'm a liberal and agreed with most of the rest of that. You don't have to be an SJW to be a liberal.

Sjws and their bullshit

>>744130981
Every one stop. Read this. And realize why most Americans are both out of work and misguided in their blame. BLUE COLLAR JOBS ARE DEAD. You're reluctance to accept this is what's holding up real progress in this country. Stop being a dumb piece of shit, go get a degree or some certs, and catch up with technology. You are not going to replace machines, ever.
tl;dr automation sucks, but it's life son.

>>744149129
SJWs != liberals

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leftists were literally dropped on there heads as babies

>>744125450
My gouvernment allowing millions of uncivilized sandpeople into my country. I still believe in solcial justice, but i cant accept these fucking destructive people. My vote will go to the national-socialsts this election. Fuck freedom and equality. We need to preserve our culture now.

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>>744149284
they are the noisy, annoying minority within the self proclaimed liberal camps.

>>744147990
so what, (((moderates))) means jews? sjws? not getting it

>>744148018
fuck yes im against that. first of all, prostitution isn't wrong. allowing it to be advertised on your classifieds website isn't wrong.
second, even if you think it is wrong, it's legal, because of Section 230 of the communications act. It's the same law that prevents this site from being shut down because of all the illegal shit that happens here
It's about section 230 and freedom of speech. she was abusing her power to silence a site that was operating lawfully for political purposes, for a moral crusade against prostitution, using lies, improper subpoenas, bullshit chargers... how can you support that? even if you're a right wing nutjob that's against prostitution?

>>744149243
you keep preaching this shit and your still an idiot. Trades are the future.

>>744149450
As a liberal, I agree with this.

I don't agree with most of BLM or modern feminism but and both socially and fiscally liberal

>>744125450
I was on board with gay rights, but this trans-bs is absolutely insane.

I was on board with freedom of expression, but Dems today are very much against free speech.

I was completely for racial equality and a color blind society, but BLM and La Raza are nothing more than ethnic versions of the KKK.

I was for fighting against corporate greed, the societal elites, and the idea of a two tiered society, and then the Democrats dump Sanders and rigged the whole thing for Clinton who is an elite corporatist who proves that society is split into two tiers.

Every thing the Democrat party stood against yesterday is what they defend today. Fuck politics...

>>744145282
I know that what you think makes sense, but that guy has a strong case to be made on the empirical evidence. All the "Scandinavian style" programs were roaring successes when those countries were 95+% homogenous. You taken a look over there in the last couple decades? Those programs started to lose funding little by little, and since the refugee nonsense they've been in free fall. The Euro-using and -linked countries (Finland, Denmark) are going to get budget crushed in the next decade, and the sovereign countries (Norway, kinda Sweden because they still maintain informal peg to DK) are going to see productivity fall off a cliff.

It's actually real hard to find "Scandinavian style" socialism, and it's disappearance occurred at the exact same time as when a certain social phenomenon that we are not allowed to criticize happened.

>>744149759
Okay but you're failing to describe the link between homogeneity and universal healthcare working.

Are you arguing that medical needs are based on race and that with a homogeneous population the medical system is more streamlined? Because that's false. I just don't see what you're getting at.

Short answer:
The primary started it. Once Hillary and the DNC cheated Bernie I was over it and glad Trump got elected.

There was a video by Jonathan Pie which was a response to the election of Trump blaming the left, he was completely right.

I've been a skeptic/athiest/agnostic for a long time and found people on YouTube like armoured skeptic and Sargon of Akkod. They are more centrist.

I started hearing stories on the Joe Rogan experience like

Why I red pilled.

Short answer:
The primary started it. Once Hillary and the DNC cheated Bernie I was over it and glad Trump got elected.

There was a video by Jonathan Pie which was a response to the election of Trump blaming the left, he was completely right.

I've been a skeptic/athiest/agnostic for a long time and found people on YouTube like armoured skeptic and Sargon of Akkad. They are more centrist.

I started hearing stories on the Joe Rogan experience like the Bret Weinstein at evergreen (I think is the name of the college)

Basically youtubers red pilled me (some of the anti sjw variety) Because of their stories of the left trying to censor them... the left being violent. (I'm not down)

Oh and can't forget I started looking into the cause of the civil war. It wasn't ONLY SLAVERY, and Lincoln didn't care about black people.

Once the left started accusing me of being racist for even questioning these things... lgbtbltbbq being called trans/homophobic... asking for evidence for rape accusations being the problem being as bad as the rapist... I realized it was a cult.

>>744150068
I am saying that people's generosity is based in (perhaps a large) part on those people being able to empathize in a visceral way with the receivers of said generosity. It's human nature, and the left's current solution to this is to pretend it doesn't exist.

>>744150338
Sargon and skeptic are both lefties. Well at least skeptic is.

But that goes back to SJWs != liberals

>>744125450
identitarian politics, taxes, and I used to believe the left was about freedom. which I have never been more wrong about anything

>>744150399
>it wasn't only slavery
then what

>>744150419
Well one could argue that that means we either need to work on cultural change to be more sympathetic or we should segregate the country so that we have a more functional government. If that's really the only reason socialized medicine wouldn't work in this country, then the problem is the country, not socialized medicine.

>>744150855
>then the problem is the country, not sociali[sm]

Give my regards to Pol Pot

>>744150534
The civil war was about states rights. It was about each stating being able to govern themselves rather than all of them being governed from a central power in Washington. The problem with war is that the winners write the history books. So the winners wrote the history books to make it look like they were heroes standing up for the oppressed against racist monsters.

>Professional Victimhood
>Black people voting against their own interest time and time again anytime a politician is called racist
>Trannies


I'm a cis gendered, bisexual, multiracial in a same-sex interracial relationship according to liberals. From what I've seen I'm just another guy according to the right. So long as I pay my taxes and mind my own business my conservative neighbors have been nothing but welcoming and warm. On the other hand I had childhood friends who ended our friendship because of my opinions against Clinton. Can you imagine ending a 20+ year friendship because your buddy doesn't like your candidate? Fuck that shit.

>>744151032
States rights to what?

>>744125450
living in the Bay Area. . .this place is so obnoxious it drove me to a moderate position (though around here I would be considered to the right of attila)

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>>744149578
Says the child who doesn't remember what happen to trades after the housing market collapse.

I'm still leftist but I'm not nearly as hardcore as I used to be and what finally put me off it was when I (a gay man) was hanging out with someone (a straight man) and there was some store clerk or something who was being a faggot so I said something to the effect of "wow that guy was being such a faggot." Cue my straight "friend" going off on me about what a bad person I was and finishing off by genuinely accusing me of being a "fake gay" because I used a word that he didn't like. That's not what completely killed all the hardcore leftist feminist bullshit for me, but it's what started it.
(inb4 all the edgy replies calling me a fag)

>>744151125
The individual states right to govern themselves. Think about how Europe is made up of individual countries with their own laws and systems. That's what states in America were like before the civil war. People went to war to stop a centralized power from taking control of their laws.

>>744151345
you "straight" friend sounds like a colossal faggot

>>744151032
>>744151629
I guess it was just a coincidence that all of the states that wanted states rights were slave states... "States rights" was a euphemism for state governments being able to decide which people had rights.

>>744151665
word

>>744151629
right. But what federal policies pushed them over the edge into starting a war?

>>744151862
>implying groids are people

>>744151902
It sounds like you've drank the cool-aid and just want to be told it was about slavery to affirm your world view. It wasn't.

>>744125450
You know, it was just attempting to silence free speech. Its indefensible. Its wrong when fundamentalist Christians do it. Its wrong when colleges do it.

>>744151665
oh don't get me wrong he was

>>744152019
Show me an example of Christian's silencing free speech

>>744151665
HEY EXCUSE YOU ONLY WE'RE ALLOWED TO SAY IT.
nah i'm kidding you're totally right he was

Claiming everything you say is offensive.
Also white guilt

>>744152017
Your failure to cite another federal policy that the confederates had a problem with only proves my point. Give me a source of a confederate voicing concern about an overreaching federal policy other than slavery and I'll believe you. Just one.

>>744149721
/b/ro, your views and beliefs are still welcome with us Libertarians.

>>744152122
>https://youtu.be/XglLE2mUdkM
Anti porn crusades.

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>>744152257
Here you go. Tariffs. Just one. Like you asked.

>>744125450
One day I woke up and decided I wasn't going to be a triggered faggot anymore. I now don't go left or right politically or sexually for that matter

>>744152478
and why did the north and south disagree on tariffs

>>744152671
>asks for "Just one" other policy
>gets it
>keeps arguing anyway
>still trying to make it about slavery
Clearly you have drank the cool-aid and refuse to see things past what you already believe. You've just proved you are a lying weasel by asking for "just one" and continuing after you got it. There is no point in talking to brainwashed lying weasels because they just want to lie to push their agenda.

>>744151862
Hey friendo.
The CSA constitution actually banned the importation of new slaves and the idea was to phase out slavery in the South.

Only after the war had started and been going on did the north decide to emancipate blacks in order to gain more troops.

Funfact, the vast majority of people never owned slaves, and more free blacks in the US owned slaves than didn't.
while <1% of free whites owned slaves, over 60% of free negros owned slaves. And slaves were soley black in the US.
There was tons of slavery of whites from europe. They just called it "indentured servitude" and the time frame on it was "when ever the owner decided"
There were thousands of cases of people serving their time and their owners simply saying no and keeping them as slaves.

>>744152365
porn isn't speech you mongoloid

>>744152871
I'm this anon >>744151862, and my question was never answered. If it wasn't about slavery, why did it break along those lines? As for my second question, I'll answer it myself since you aren't willing to: The south wanted low tariffs because it had a shit load of cotton to export.

>>744152871
Or just point out to him that Lincoln made slavery *legal* in the North under some ridiculous war-time reasoning. All that labor which was done in the South had to be replaced somehow...

>>744152478
>>744152671 was not me.

I said an overreaching federal policy. Higher tariffs I would say is not an overreaching federal government. Especially since a lot of modern republicans are for it.

>>744133208
those are the 2nd and 3rd generation punks who feel they need to "connect" with their "roots"....theyre basically grunts for Mexican drug lords to boss around......
btw, most Mexicans/Hispanics who have an IQ hate these people

read a primary document you retarded faggots. the civil war was primarily about slavery.

declaration of causes of seceding states is a good place to start, but in general this 'muh state's rights!' revisionism is moronic. the csa brass made no attempts to hide their intentions.

https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

>>744125450
When I was 18, I had enough money to buy my house. It was amazing, til I met my neighbors. 16 mexicans living in a single flat next door. Music til 4am. Stealing my shit from my backyard, talking shit about me to a different neighbor.
The final straw was when they said I got my house using white privilege. They never realized that I am infact a light skinned mexican.

Fuck em all, fuck bringing more of them here.

>>744148371
Kill yourself, neoliberal. Oligarchs need to be killed no matter what their political persuasion, and their collaborators all need to be gassed, especially you, CTR. This anon
>>744148920
actually gets it.

>>744149243
>I'm bourgeois
>I'm better than you
>I need a job as your better
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

>>744153543
You seem to be rather invested in that interpretation. The war was about the Union, period. Without the Union, slavery wouldn't have legitimately been the USA's business. Your interpretation is meant to enable imperialism.

>>744153012
And technically you and I aren't "speaking" right now, but we can still say whatever we want to each other. Free speech is about expression and communication, not about physical speech or even language. To claim otherwise is to have a picture of free speech in which I'm free to describe my junk to you in gruesome detail, but not to text you a dick pic. Pure silliness.

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Ya guys lets bash the fash with our daddy's cash

>>744130981
We can't encourage blue collar work with the tax system we have.
The complete bastardization of Reagan's plans by literally everyone after him and complete stagnation of worker pay to profits is reflective of this.

Companies have grown in a way and learned the tricks.. shutting down unionization and becoming to big to be punished properly.
Tax fines, increased bureaucratic and legal oversight over the market is necessary to prevent an complete oligarchic takeover and enslavement of the masses.

I'm no commie, i believe in free markets, but this ability that big money has to influence laws and squirm out of paying a fair share back into the economy HAS to stop.

>>744154094
yes we are speaking you mongoloid. you are one dumb cunt

>>744154413
>implying trickle down economics was a good idea at all

>>744154490
Not according to the definition of the word "speech" that's in the dictionary.

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>>744154134
God damn it i didn't mean to put that file on the post darn it i would take it down but i don't want to and who the fuck doesn't like tits. mostly big juciy ones.

>>744154094
can I please have a dick pic please daddy.

>>744154565
Reagan's trickle down (if i understand correctly) was simply tax refunds for companies who put money into their US employees and infrastructure. It was not leveled onto individuals and was completely conditional.

>>744154010
it's not an 'interpretation' dumbass. read what the csa brass said in their own fucking words.

>>744155326
Again: if the Union had let them go their own way instead of being bleeding-heart imperialists, the institution of slavery would have collapsed of its own accord by the end of the century.
>expects me to believe political speech
You have to be 18 to post here.

Three main things.
1. The left started to get too radical.
Example: Shoving LGBTWTFBBQ down everyone's throat.
2. I noticed that feelings were more important to them over using maths.
Example: It is wrong to do be more suspicious of a black person than a white person even though it is statistically more likely that they have committed a crime.
3. I learned that I was being lied to about the right.
Example: Hitlet was evil.

>>744155617
and if hitler had only been accepted into art school the united states would never have nuked japan?

that's not how history works you fucking idiot. 'slavery would have collapsed' is speculation.

goddamn I hate you lost cause mouthbreathers. read primary documents and lay off the stormfront. educate yourself. fuck.

>>744155617
>that's just political talk
So you're saying that the big wigs were just telling everyone that they were out to save the institution of slavery, upon with the southern economy was fundamentally based, in order to drum up support among the masses, and their real, secret goal, which they shared only with other slave states, was to preserve the freedom to do something other than enslave people that nobody seems to be able to articulate.

Do I have that right?