One of my mentally ill, trans friends just blocked me on facebook.

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I want it to be the 90s again, when I felt safe and understood the world around me.

>>744047159
>I'm a fucking cuck libtard, and I'm being told _I'm_ a Nazi.


This isn't Leddit retard, formatting doesn't work like that here.

>>744047366
I don't have a reddit account, and I have no idea what you are talking about.

>>744047366
oh you mean _this_ ? fucking lol. That is just how you indicate emphasis when in a text only format. fucking kids. do you even bbs?

>>744047499
why don't u just use CAPS like everybody else u fucking retard

Are you a 13 year old kid who never had civics?
You never tell your friends your political or religious opinion, that's like radiation.. You will sicken and die from it! Stay away from the alt right and the alt left, they believe, and like all true believers, are insane.

>>744047159
In my experience, if they've gone so far as to declare themselves trans, they're too far gone for any civil discourse.

Wether they meant it this way or not, it was tough love. You'll be a better person with that toxicity out of your life.

Have a nice day, /b/ro.

It's called rule of law,and is worth defending from Antifa, Trump,and anyone else that thinks they have special moral license to be violent.b

>>744047159
>I said that Nazi's had a right to march

Stopped right there.

If you don't understand why you're wrong you deserve everything coming.

NO TRUMP
NO BOARDER WALL
NO MORE USA AT ALL

>>744047159
Stop calling trans people mentally ill and kys. Easy solution to all of our mutual problems.

>>744047366
>>744047499
>>744047403
>>744047556
I'm more interested in this semantics debate than a tumblr-level cunt doing what tumblr-lever cunts do.

They circle jerk their opinion and refute all others, so what, everyone already knows they do, why be surprised?

But most importantly, I'm on team #useCAPS cause _this shit_ just doesn't have the same emphasis.

>>744047159
nazi

>>744048682
You don't know, she could be mentally ill with gender identity disorder, which is legit (and different than being just trans).

tbh, he was just probably being a dick, but dont think to know everything

>>744047159
Bruh, if you support rights for Nazis or Commies, fuck off. Them's ain't human. One wants to destroy and kill a country, the other wants to genocide jews and shit. Neither of those deserve a platform.

Right to free speech doesn't include hate speech. If a group has the intent to take another groups rights then they should have their rights taken from them before they have a chance. You literally don't have to tolerate intolerance.

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>>744048915

>>744047159
Half of your post is lies and you know it. Also you get to decide who gets freedom in some societies. The rules you are referring to are made by humans and are not universal law.

Holy shit, since when has 4chan had so many LibSJWs? I remember them good ol' days of Nazis being the main political user base. Nighnogs, wetbacks, beaners, honkeys, chinks, punjabis, japs, ruskies, tea sipping tree teethed, canadians, none of them are REAL people. Only green faced question marks are people!

>>744048856
The difference is there's a communist party in most western countries, and many elsewhere.
No too many nazi parties left after WW2.

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>>744049145
You forgot dunecoon and pavement ape.

>>744049204
but the nazi party was the socialist party of Germany sooooooooooooooooooooooooo.........

>>744049291
...what?

>>744047159
You spoke to mentally ill people and they were mentally ill. /thread/

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>>744049317

>>744049291
And they haven't been there in decades.
Point?

>>744049317
>>744049403
Socialist parties still exist. And apparently the american nazi party has a webpage. Whodathunkit

free speech isn't a right to speak hatred. have an opinion by all means. you can not like black people or jews or trans or whatever. as narrow minded as it is, you can whine about them too.

but when you organise and encourage harm toward them or speak messages of hate over dislike, that's a problem. noone has that right, not nazi's not white people not muslims not anyone. any moron who doesn't understand that is often taken as someone who supports whatever extremes they're defending, like what you said to your friend.

>>744047159
Why are you expecting reason from a mentally ill person?

>>744048682
They are, and most of them admits this. They suffer from a form of body dysmorphia

>>744049430
I do agree with you (I think), but don't be fake news.

>>744049403
>gone after 1945
My point exactly.
They've been gone since 1945.
What's with the hysteria?
Communists/socialists are everywhere.

>>744049453
>American Nazi Party
All 5 of them.
Wow.

>>744049493
See
>>744049038

>>744049317
You know what Nat Soc means nigga?

>>744049528
Please find a link to the German Nazi Party for me.
I'll wait.

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>>744049619
So we should ignore the millions of communists organizing the the US and EU because of a few thousand wannabe nazis?

>>744049672
sbbJK4sdafq2kdjoi.onion

>>744049871
>clicking that
Not a chance.
Screenshot it.

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>>744049871
If they have to hide that deep I'm not losing any sleep over them.

>>744049780
The commies aren't organizing on a platform of genocide,

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>>744050018
Fool me once...

>>744049994
That's just a place they can not get ddos's. I looked through it once a while back, and yeah, it's the internet equivalent of chanting in the woods.

Have you tried NOT being a fucking nazi collaborator?

Nobody needs the "freedom" to march in the streets demanding the murder of millions of people. If the law won't deal with the credible threat nazis pose, someone else will have to scare them off.

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>>744050324
>demanding the murder of millions of people

>>744048698>>744048698
I hate caps. they feel like yelling.

eg: I was LITERALLY TREMBLING when he assumed my gender

vs

I was _literally trembling_ when he assumed my gender.

>>744049045
which half faggot?

>>744049145
been here since 2007, so I dunno

>>744048682
they are literally mentally ill and on disability.

>>744048856
do you really not get how freedom works? you don't get to deserve what gets a platform. It's all or nothing.

>>744050018
neither do the alt-right. they are mostly separatists, or don't believe in welfare, or whatever.

>>744050324
>Have you tried NOT being a fucking nazi collaborator?

you want to live in a fascist state, is what you are saying. Where the government gets to decide which ideas are acceptable, and physical violence is an acceptable way to deal with "those" people.

>credible threat

oh wait, sorry didn't realize was b8

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>>744050324
Come get some.

Yup. You're right, OP. For many people, 'tolerance' is a smokescreen. They want their views to dominate.

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>>744047159
>hang out with shitty people
>shit gets on you

Well, well, well...

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>>744050324
>collaborator
Oh look, it's this again.

>>744049045
>you get to decide who gets freedom in some societies. The rules you are referring to are made by humans and are not universal law.

Our societies rules say that we all have freedom of speech, right to assemble, etc. People just like to pretend they don't apply to their enemies.

You start outlawing Nazis speech, it is a slippery slope to fascism. What other ideas can't we discuss? How about abortion? How about how the DNA impacts the mind and a person's capabilities. What heathen would suggest the sun revolves around the earth, this is against god!

>>744047159
>some of them fuck my wife

You don't seem mentally sound.

>>744050577
holy shit, this is actually true for me ( OP ) at least.

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>>744050634
Relax anon.

>>744050662
Take comfort in the fact that antifa as a whole don't equal the numbers of one of those groups.

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>>744050324
Its freedom. Cutting down the freedom you will slave yourself and others for tyranny.

>>744050549
we've been friends for years. We both were in rehab together, and got clean at the same time. We both suffer from depression, although s/he has more issues than I do.

They aren't shitty in general, this last move just really took me by surprise, and my feelings are genuinely hurt. They didn't even let me reply to the bullshit their friends were spouting off.

I literally had relatives in nazi camps, ok? You can't fucking sit there and call my a nazi sympathizer - that is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

I mean does that mean the ACLU are also nazi collaborators? fucking shitfuck fuck brain fagggot fucks.

>>744050685
You're right, I've been rused. Thanks friend.

>>744050634
sorry, go back to your disneyland world where everyone lives a happy dedicated and sexually liberated ( monogamous! ) life. Monogamy is fucking stupid and lame and there is a reason pretty much half the people out there cheat at some point.

my wife and I are honest about our sex lives, and it works for us.

>>744050324
Why can't the left drawn an argument from real life?

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>>744050794
No problem.

>>744050745
Even if they didn't, that would be domestic terrorism. And the cops won't care about political ideology, vigilantism is vigilantism, don't matter if you're punching nazis, feminists, or drug dealers, niggas gonna get charged for aggravated assault and battery

>>744050745
no no... see we are ALL antifa! ( notice I used all caps ironically there ).

are you antifascist?! you are ANTIFA! that is what I'm getting spammed on social media these days.

but yeah I get your point. I also don't give a fuck about nazis. I'm far more worried about your average Trump supporter, or their senators.

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>>744050324

I'm a polak juden, I don't give two shits about nazisim. I'm all for free speech no matter how autistic it is.

Let them spout all the Hitler hero shit and move on. They can march in the street with flags, I dont give a shit. They are private citizens who just bought themselves on the FBI watch list and everyone will just laugh at them for being tool bags. If they incite violence then there ya go they are in prison.

It is a concern when a government is pushing the agenda to round people up systematically (USSR and Germany) in camps.

>>744050794
>>744050911
you weren't rused, that is really my life.

>>744050991
fucking thank you. I feel like I'm in crazy town here.

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>>744047159
All of that was lies.

>>744047159
You're perfectly right, though. *EVERYONE* has a right to peaceably assemble. Antifa DOES need to dial back. So does the Neo-Nazis that came armed to a "peaceful" march.
Nothing illegal about a peaceful march or protest/counter-protest. Your friend really is mentally ill, no different from any far-right/left "thinker" who plays to partisan bias. But coming to /b/ is not the best place to speak from a neutral standpoint, because most of these autistic turdmonglers are too far right-wing and Trumpeteers to boot.

>>744050402
Im hungry anon

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>>744050951
>I'm far more worried about your average Trump supporter, or their senators.
It's a work in progress.

>>744051080
I'd show you the FB post, but since they banned me I don't have access to it.

>>744051122
The difference was the right-wingers had a permit backed by a federal judge and the ACLU, and based on the last year and a half and would have been crazy NOT to show up armed given how the police handled it.

>>744051185
Alright, I was with you at first, but now you sound like you're just spouting bullshit. If anything, you shouldn't post it cause you'd be doxxed, but being banned is a shady excuse.

not that it matters tho, I've had the same thing happen to me. I just wasn't surprised and didn't make a post about it.

>>744051185
Facebook is cancer.
Literally a socially transmitted disease.

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>>744051080
here you go fag, this is my response that I posted to the friends in our circle.


the police acted like pussies. They DID NOT have permits for their torchlit mosquito lynch mob. Oh hey - lets let these hundreds of torch carrying faggots walk right up a world heritage site! the police forced them to disperse

>>744051414
I can't see his page, which is where the post was. not sure how I'm spouting bullshit.

>>744047159

I totally get your point, fuck the leftists who go around yelling about tolerance when they cant give it. Anyway, this is related to the paradox of tolreance: should we tolerate intolerance? Everyone has the right to express their thoughts, but ultimately the answer is no, because intolerance just leads to more intolerance and in the end everyone dies.

>>744051481
The tiki thing was retarded, but my post applies to the next day.

When I had FB I never joined on the political banter. It's like trying to piss into the tip of an air compressor hose.

I swear a majority of Facebook users just read titles and the first 3 sentences then go type a fucking dissertation and ignore the whole picture.

>>744051606
I had it only to let people know I was alive, and make sure no one died.
Now I just call people instead.

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Wait, why can't we decide nazis don't get the same freedoms as everyone else?

Do you actually have an argument for that or is it just something you've never questioned?

>>744051585
they showed up armed to try and project their power and willingness to fight.

>>744051606
that is how I felt when my relatives were babblying about secret muslim obama and shit. But I dunno, once Trump ( donald.fucking.trump ) won this election - I needed somewhere to talk about things.

>>744051656
tell you what, go read the ACLU position on it, then get back to me.

>>744051691
Why should we listen to them?

>>744051481
The bullshit was in reference to the fb post that preference your OP. But pics, so it did happen.

>>744051691
>they showed up armed to try and project their power and willingness to fight
So did the left.

“I don’t agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

>>744051721
>lets not listen to one of the most important organizations that ACTUALLY defend against REAL fascism because my fake "everyone is a fascist" premise is easier

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Nazis don't deserve fairness and can stop being nazis any time they choose to and stop being treated unfairly.

>>744051837
see
>>744050577

when you can change the definition of "nazi" to include EVERYONE then thats not really an option now is it?

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>>744051824
Not an argument

>>744047950
> alt left

found the high schooler

>>744051691
why should I answer your dumb ass question. I've just told you my position. read it, respond to it, or fuck off.

>>744051786
hardly. you see how the militia were fucking decked out? compared to a few fucking antifa stinky i-dont-bathe-because-capitalizsm-is-evil fuckheads with shields?

>>744051907
nope, its a spot on mockery

>>744051656
Because the whole point of rights are that they are given to everyone. Similar to why soldiers cant go back and kill all the wounded isis members they didn't kill immediately (which would be a war crime). People are people first, their beliefs and actions are all circumstantial, and does not negate that they are people. You can say that, and believe it, but they bleed the same type of blood other humans do; thus, they are people.

>>744051955
I win :^)

>>744047159
I know the feeling, in a way. Facebook is a safespace now. I don't bother trying to correct my LGBTQ/SJW/dumbass mentally ill friends, because I know they'll do exactly what they did to you.

>>744051974
You have just reinforced my hatred for people who use that in a context that doesn't mock people who use that. :^)

>>744051974
since I exposed you as the kind of person who has the mentality of a 12 year old internet troll I think that your win was more of a loss.

>>744052078
>This
/thread/

>>744051941
>a few
Any search of youtube will dispel this fiction.
Again, after getting beaten, peppersprayed, and spit on at all the Trump rallies and the shitshow that's been Berkley did you expect them to show up with nerf guns?

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>>744052078
And yet I mounted an argument you failed to actually contest.

Sour grapes, fuckboy.

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>>744051974
you sure did, +1 internet argument you won today! gold star!

>>744052005
I guess it just bums me out. I mean, I feel like I'm on the left leaning side of my FB feed - and I didn't appreciate being called a fucking nazi sympathizer.

but you are right. I need to just stfu, stay out of politics and find a better forum for discussing these issues.

here lets get back to what /b/ is about. nice feminie penis

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>>744052162
Thanks I feel like I earned it

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>>744052162
A nazi sympathizer is different from a collaborator; by failing to impede the rise of fascism you actively help it and are effectively collaborating with the fascists because most people being apathetic is a core way that fascism is able to work.

>>744052150
He directed you toward a reference that accurately depicted his thoughts, and you just refuted it with "Why would we listen to them?" which is a baseless counter which you would about him if he said his opinion.

So, why should we listen to you? hurduhhurhur

>>744052202
you didn't though :( it was just sort of like a participation trophy for the retarded kid. I mean, you put forth a question, I responded, and you ignored it. By any measure of debate or conversation, you lost.

Making up more questions, and ignoring your opponents answers isn't winning an argument. It's just being a twit.

>>744052299
good point. By allowing Nazis to march, I am preserving the freedoms that stand as a bulwark against fascism.

wow that sounded lofty.

>>744052299
I don't think the germans were very apathetic about the rise of natsoc before WWII.

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>>744052337
That response was a naked appeal to authority. Not an argument, in other words.

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>>744052393
You think wrong.

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>>744052162
Yo, does anyone have that webm of that british dude trying to get a tranny to get their cock out saying it was bigger than his?

>>744052410
no it wasn't. for two reasons...

1) you don't understand what an appeal to authority is. When people are ACTUALLY AN AUTHORITY it doesn't apply.

2) He asked for my argument, I sent him to the ACLU position. That is my argument. I'm not even saying it is right BECAUSE it is the ACLU, I'm just stating my position. But he has no intention of reading it, or really learning anything about the situation. He is a sad little piece of shit who can't put an argument together, and couldn't follow the legal debate if he wanted to.

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>>744052438
By all means, set me straight.
I thought they were fairly desperate and latched on to what they thought was the most likely thing to help them.
No sarcasm, I'm genuinely curious.

>>744052389
So your sentimental attachment to a cultural tradition is more important than doing something about the credible threat directed at vulnerable groups?

And you think that allowing fascists to actively spread fascism is the best way to prevent fascism. Fascinating.

And retarded.

>>744052410
and you ignored the independent argument that was said to you. And authority or not, if what a person or organization says is logical, then it is logical.

Even if it isn't logic, he just said "I agree with these guys, so check em out for the details" which you refuted like a pre-teen who thinks they know how the world works.

>>744052581
>And you think that allowing fascists to actively spread fascism is the best way to prevent fascism. Fascinating.

You think that acting like a fascist is the best way to prevent the spread of fascism. Fascinating.

>>744052549
They were apathetic towards the plight of the minority groups being negatively effected because in the depths of austerity people keep their heads down and don't rock the boat - this is exactly how fascism works, make people afraid and therefore self interested.

>>744052581
Not him, but allowing communists to spread communism seems worse right now seeing as how it's infesting schools and popular culture.
Not too many nationalist leaning schools or TV shows these days.

>>744052644
Oh, your problem is you don't know what fascism is. Well, darn.

American education system I guess.

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>>744047159
With such a focus on Antifa as 'domestic terrorists' - you'd be forgiven for forgetting a white supremacist drove into a crowd of people and killed a woman.
But "Antifa" are the problem....

Smoke Screen Established!

>>744052655
Didn't those minority groups have a stranglehold on the banks and media at that time though?

>>744052703
How exactly is communism worse than open advocacy for a genocidal ethnostate?

>>744052786
No.

>>744052655
sadly this is also how capitalism works, and well.. how most things work. Global warming is a great example. No one gives a fuck until it affects them, and by then it is just too late.

>>744052742
Oh your problem is you don't understand what rights are. Well, darn. 2nd world educational system I guess.

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>>744047159
Death to fascists everywhere.

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>>744052780
>1 dead leftist due to "nazis" > hundreds of dead euros due to "not real muslims"

>>744052789
See
>>744050110

>>744052823
Nazis don't deserve the same rights as everyone else.

What is your argument to this?

>>744052911
What does this have to do with communism as an ideology? Where in the communist ideology is genocide required?

>>744052780
You know this fucking kills me, because one of my friends was literally in that crowd of people, and I've spent the last weeks raising money for the people injured both in that attack, and the attacks the night before.

I'm not creating a false equivalency between the two. I get the difference. But I'm allowed to defend myself against accusations of collaboration because I'm either "with the Resistance, or with the Nazis". Which is the dumbest shit I''ve ever heard.

>>744052808
I seem to recall they did.
Otherwise why the push back at all?
They didn't like bagels?

Also if we're scoring according to how many people have died under a certain form of government then capitalism has head directly to more deaths than communism by a considerable margin.

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>>744052865
Nice what-about-ism

Next up
Anti-racists are the real racists
Anti-fascists are the real fascists
Feminists are the real mysogynists


This is what happens to your society when you are educated by memes.

>>744052912
>What is your argument to this?
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/why-we-must-defend-free-speech

>>744052983
An scapegoat to impose austerity.

Read a book idiot.

>>744052945
Where does it say a bear will maul you just because it's in your house?
Nowhere, because historically having a bear in your house has has never been a good thing for anyone.
I don't need it written down for me.

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>>744053026
>or fox
>or russian propaganda teams

>>744053035
This article doesn't put forth an argument, you realize. It's just a bunch of open ended clickbait questions.

>>744052978
We do not have to, even as a free society, tolerate intolerance.
Intolerance cannot be tolerated.

Yes it's a paradox - fucking deal with it cunt.
Everyone is a hypocrite - such as standing up for the 'rights' of Nazis who want to take away people's rights.

>>744053090
Nice lack of an argument.

>>744053026
>memes
Okay, so all the dead people in europe don't actually matter because it's inconvenient for you ideologically.
Got it.

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Just post this on your wall.

Why would you want to be friends with people who don't understand how freedom of speech works?

>>744047159
The nazi's are a small group of mentally ill retards. The antifa faggots, see nazi's in everyone that has different opinions.
The violence is caused by antifa. So they should just declare antifa a terrorist organisation and be done with it.
The nazi's should be ignored, they thrive on attention. No attention, they fall apart.
Everyone deserves free speech as long as they don't wreck stuff and bash people over it

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>>744053180
Total freedom of speech might be a bad thing, did you ever consider that?

Probably not because nobody's ever used their free speech to endanger you, personally.

>>744053090
same argument applies to capitalism, and pretty much every government ever.

>>744053127
Thanks I didn't realize that. Here, have a reason from the article. So.. argument #1. The supreme court says they have the constitutional right to do so.

Those lessons led the Supreme Court, in a 1969 ACLU case involving a Ku Klux Klan rally, to rule that speech advocating violence or other criminal conduct is protected unless it is intended and likely to produce imminent lawless action, a highly speech-protective rule. In addition to incitement, thus narrowly defined, a “true threat” against specific individuals is also not protected. But aside from these instances in which speech and violence are inextricably intertwined, speech advocating violence gets full First Amendment protection.

>>744053036
Pardon my skepticism, but that seems an awfully simple summation of the motives behind the largest armed conflict of the 20th century.

>>744053163
Nice missing of the point.

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>>744047159
you are racist faggot trash in pathological denial
someone needs to murder you
Nazis killing people is not free speech dumbfuck
Antifa stopping Nazis from killing people is not bullshit
You are bullshit, you are total bullshit
I would have blocked your ignorant fuckin ass too
Go get a fucking clue, you infected cunt pustule

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>The supreme court says they have the constitutional right to do so.

I disagree with the supreme court, their authority doesn't make them right.

>In addition to incitement, thus narrowly defined, a “true threat” against specific individuals is also not protected. But aside from these instances in which speech and violence are inextricably intertwined, speech advocating violence gets full First Amendment protection.

The advocacy for or the calling for genocide is incitement. Therefore nazis shouldn't be protected under free speech even if they do have it.

>>744053226
no one advocates total freedom of speech fuckwit.

>>744053260
it is - I'm not that guy, but you should read some books or wiki articles on that shit. Communists and Jews were the enemies - they were responsible for the shitty terms of surrender of the first WW, and it was time t0 make germany great again.

>>744053226
>other people shouldn't enjoy what I don't
Well then move somewhere where you don't have to deal with it.

>>744053226
there are already restrictions on free speech, you cannot threaten people.
So there is no need to abolish free speech even further.

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>>744053350
Then we agree some speech should not be free. We're getting somewhere.

>>744053231
Except people actually benefit under capitaism.
Not everyone, but a fuck of a lot more than under communism.
Life is not equal.

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>>744053351
Not an argument

>>744053333
>I disagree with the supreme court, their authority doesn't make them right.

It is a constitutionally guaranteed right, and the people responsible for determining that agree. If you have a counter argument, I'm all kinds of ready to hear it.

>>744053384
any more restrictions on free speech is bad.
Unless you want to live in a country where saying different things can land you in jail.
>Canada

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>>744053358
Having a rally for the cause of genocide is threatening people, it is incitement.

Glad we agree that nazis shouldn't be allowed to rally or march.

>>744047159
I know exactly how you feel OP.
It's like I woke up one day and realised most of humanity were literally insane, and constantly contradicted themselves.
I think it's a average IQ thing. My guess is because I was a kid/teenager I just never noticed as my brain was still developing.
My dad tried to warn me as a kid and I thought he was joking. :l

>>744053420
The law guaranteeing that right is morally wrong because it endangers human life. That's my argument.

>>744053384
No you're not.
It's been settled.
It's not changing just because you don't like some of it.

>>744053168
>what-about-ism
Ok, so you can't argue on the topic actually being discussed and need to try and shoehorn your islamaphobia, because /b loves the islamaphobia memes.
Got it

>>744053444
Why is it bad?

>>744053412
If you are uncomfortable with the level of free speech in the US, you literally have the rest of the world to choose from.

>>744053384
yes and the supreme court has shown where that line is ( as they see it ). You can't run around yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre.

>>744053464
the supreme court says otherwise

>>744053410
that is a question of degrees - the argument still applies though. You are just choosing to ignore this particular bear, and pretending it won't fuck you up - but capitalism body count is just as large, with as much human degradation as other systems. I'm not saying it is wrong, but your argument that communism inherently includes genocide/violence applies just as well to capitalism.

>>744047159
> I literally have sex with other women and men, and some of them fuck my wife

Pics or it didn't happen

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>>744053530
Nope.
You can't reconcile your cognitive dissonance and are falling back on name calling.

>>744053410
Communist china has lifted MORE people out of poverty , just in sheer numbers, than any human civilisation in the history of mankind.
Offset all of americas capitalist gains against the losses of the countries which they exploit- and it's either just about breaking even, or actively detrimental

Maths

>>744053583
>the supreme court says otherwise
The supreme court is wrong.

>yes and the supreme court has shown where that line is ( as they see it ). You can't run around yelling fire in a crowded movie theatre.
Calling for the enactment of genocide is incitement which is similarly not protected speech.

>>744053583
>capitalism body count is just as large, with as much human degradation as other systems
Gonna need a source on that one.
I don't recall the great Coca-Cola purges.

>>744053693
>accuse your opponent of what you yourself are doing
Nice what-about-ism

stop subjecting people to your opinions unless that opinion is "life is short you're gonna die you should try to be happy as often as possible. whatever that entails. as long as you don't encroach on anothers happiness in the process" otherwise you're pretty much an asshole and should just stay inside so you don't make anyone else feel bad with your bullshit feelings

>>744053494
Cool, glad you narrowed it down. So human life is more important than freedom of speech, and the right to assemble. That flies in the face of our constitution, where we literally fought a war to protect those freedoms.

I mean you can certainly believe that, but I see that as a slippery slope to fascism.

>>744053548
In Canada there is a chance that you get thrown in prison if you call a "gender" by the wrong pronoun.
So all these "new" genders are a potential hazard for every sane person.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/17756/orwellian-canadians-can-now-be-fined-or-jailed-amanda-prestigiacomo#exit-modal

i am not defending hate speech, but fake genders shouldn't be a reason to be thrown in jail.

>>744047159
> i got pilot on
That's funny

>>744053698
>China
You mean where people still cannibalize each other during famines and most can't read?

>>744053693
>changes subject
>hero a derp you have cognitive dissonance

You have just plain cognitive diarrhoea

>>744053825
Yeah, the constitution has flaws in it. Problem?

>I mean you can certainly believe that, but I see that as a slippery slope to fascism.
No it isn't. That's not how fascism develops and progresses. Read a book about history or something if you really think that and feel concerned, the truth will put you at ease.

>>744053723
Guess they were wrong on Roe v Wade too, right?

>>744053785
Nice I'm-an-autist-with-one-buzzwordism.

>>744053877
You've clearly never visited China

I encountered more illiterates on my journeys through the US
And witnessed more poverty.

>>744053839
No there isn't, that's not a credible source and you're stupidly exaggerating or willfully misunderstanding the details of the story.

I'm embarrassed for you.

>>744048497
Wow...check this nazi out.

>>744053897
Wow.
Guess you got me.
Good job anon.

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>>744053907
No, they were right that time, humans have an innate right to bodily autonomy - even nazis.

>>744053957
So, you're the faggot claiming intellectual and moral superiority?

the irony
Top. Kek.

>>744053698
please tell me you are joking

anyone who has been lifted out of poverty i china was lifted through capitalist you fuckwit

>>744053661
sorry fag, I'm not sharing personal info in this thread, I already showed too much.

>>744053768
good topic for a book though. I Agree I haven't provided any stats, but you could look at the body count for any of the major wars.

>>744053723
>The supreme court is wrong.
no u?

>>744054050
>innate right to bodily autonomy
>can't say what they want
choose one

>>744053970
You've clearly never traveled the US or China.
Also, there's this fabulous invention called the internet, where you don't even have to travel somewhere to learn about it.
You can read about it.
Imagine!

>>744053985
that bill c-16 does that, just read the law

https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/

It is so vague, that you can be charged for hate speech if you use the wrong gender pronouns

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>>744054111
>>744054111
oops forgot the image

>>744054064
Swing and a miss.

>>744053494
How can words endanger human life? It is impossible for me to kill you just by saying words.
That's like saying cyberbullying can endanger someone's life when they can just unplug from the internet or turn off their monitor.

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>>744054111
Bodily autonomy and freedom of speech are two different things. You didn't know that, seriously? Jesus.

>>744054122
No you can't; you're still stretching it into your own words to reinterpret the wording how you'd like it to be. You're also adding context on your own that isn't in the law itself.

Please try harder.

>>744054111
2000 AD actually had a story of rival fast food wars.
It was funny.

>>744054088
China is still communist.

It's just difficult for you to imagine an alternative economic system...
That's why all of your fiction about apocalypse is "following the financial crash - the world went mad max!"

It is easier for you to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine an alternative economic system.

Ask the Chinese if they're capitalist.
And what, is America champions for capitalists now? No longer champions for democracy?!

With Trump in charge , the problems with democracy are self evident

>>744054211
>Bodily autonomy and freedom of speech are two different things
If you can't say something with you mouth you literally don't have bodily autonomy.

>>744054204
Words can endanger human life when groups are free to gather and advertise to increase their membership for the explicit purpose of enacting genocide.

This has happened so many times before that the sequence of events is well studied and allowing these groups to freely associate is always part.

>>744054119
>I don't have to go outside, I have the internet

The really pathetic thing is - you probably believe this

>>744047366
Surrounding a word with * or _ is how you emphasise a word when there are no formatting options, you fucking child.

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>>744054289
This is so dumb I'm just going to call you a retard and move on.

Damn.

>>744054161
You really did.

>>744053180
/thread

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>>744054308
When did going to a Trump rally or legally protesting the removal of a statue become genocidal?
What bizarro world am I in now?

>>744054204
Incitement to riot is not protected free speech .

Neither is calling for a run on the banks.

Funny where the limits of free speech end, isn't it

>>744054270
Democratic socialism is easy to imagine, it's not technically non-capitalist but it's so different from what capitalism is now that it is a totally distinct form of economy.

>>744054214
sounds like good times. reminds me of the pepsi/coke wars in mexico. http://inthesetimes.com/article/2840

>It is easier for you to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine an alternative economic system.

this is true for me. I literally cannot wrap my head around it because I'm american as apple fucking pie.

>>744054308
the govenment deciding who gets to assemble, what can be said, is the fucking hallmark of fascism. I'd rather live with a small group of nazis, than a government that won't let me criticize it.

>>744054419
I'm referring to the literal nazis, obviously.

Playing dumb just makes you look actually dumb.

>>744054333
Just making a point.
It's well documented people in China are much worse off than people in the US, and most of europe.

>>744049493
Yes it does you fucking waste of a human life.

>the govenment deciding who gets to assemble, what can be said, is the fucking hallmark of fascism. I'd rather live with a small group of nazis, than a government that won't let me criticize it.

It's the "paradox" of tolerance, tolerating anything except intolerance. Explain what's wrong with that apart from your subjective feelings of preferring more freedom.

>>744054350
>ad hominem
Literally not an argument.

>>744054308
So make genocide illegal, not the speech. Seems pretty simple desu.
If you think genocide is only done by killing people with inferior genetics, I don't think many (if any) groups want that.

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>>744054211
No matter, how many times i read this. Refusing to call someone a xe or whatever they want, will be a criminal offense.

And a lawyer seems to agree, with me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMbqCHPB9jg

>>744054419
>anti-trump protest
>someone throws a stone
>riot police move in
>riot ensues
>Antifa are just rioters


>white supremacists rally
>someone drives a car into a group of counter protestors
>many sides to blame

One of these things is not like the other

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>>744054366
>I know you are but what am I: the post

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Freedom is a zero sum game, if you give Group A the freedom to antagonize and threaten Group B then you've robbed Group B of their freedom from being antagonized and threatened.

You freedom of speech assholes are just picking sides with the nazis.

>>744054465
Oh you mean all 100 of them?

>>744054540
Nah, you're making that up. Have fun being paranoid.

>>744054474
>better off in US
Currently

The US is much smaller than China.
In terms of number of people, and net gain, the current Chinese communist regime has lifted more people OUT of poverty, than any human institution or civilisation in history.
This is simple empirical fact and not disputed

>>744054423
I personally view those as falling under free speech. Especially the incitement to riot is very important to be allowed. If our government becomes corrupt (HINT: it already is) then the people must be allowed to have voice that they want to overthrow the government. If the government just calls that speech illegal, then they will be allowed to silence anyone calling them out.
If you think about how America was created when we overthrew a government which was mistreating us, we had to communicate very secretly. The founding fathers at least tried to setup our government to be able to be replaced by the people if it become corrupt.

>>744054518
Here your (you) you so desperately crave.
Now fuck off you stupid cunt

>>744054688
It's not empirical fact because the China-released figures are proven to be cooked time and time again. No accurate data is available on the matter.

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>>744054552
>triggered

>your subjective feelings of preferring more freedom.

good point. I guess I would say that the supreme court, who are experts on the constitution, have stated a position. Additionally, the ACLU, who I consider to be experts, have stated a position.

I defer to them, as I am not an expert on the subject matter. I agree where the line is drawn is at some level subjective - much like the concept of "obscenity", but for now at least, the line is drawn in a way that allows Nazi's to march.

>>744054548
>Trump rally/inauguration
>protestors attack people en mass and the police are ordered to stand down
>riot police finally move in
>"FUCK THA POLICE"
>Antifa are never acknoledged


>legally supported right wing rally
>protestors bussed in with shit, piss, and cement to throw
>someone drives a car into a group of counter protestors after being attacked
>many sides to blame

Sounds right.

>>744054688
>lifted more people
1. When have Chinese numbers ever been reliable.
2. China has the largest population on Earth. That means that if they bring the same percentage out of poverty than another nation, it will be more people.

>>744054689
Try it then.
See what happens to your precious 'freedoms' the minute you step out of line.

>muh freedums

>>744054827
>things that never happened

>>744054688
Their standard for poverty is nowhere nearly as high as ours.
Don't be intellectually dishonest.

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>good point. I guess I would say that the supreme court, who are experts on the constitution, have stated a position. Additionally, the ACLU, who I consider to be experts, have stated a position.
The ACLU advocates for constitutional rights meaning they and the supreme court are lock step and the constitution of the united states has flaws in it which is why it's been amended before and should be amended again.

>>744054646
that would be the best case scenario.
But the judges will determine how to use this law. So the first year that this law will be enacted will be crucial for how it will be used in the future.

>>744054767
No (You).

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>>744047272
member the 90s?

>>744054794
Whatever you say.
Buddists are anti-islamic terrorist you know.

>>744054873
>implying I haven't

>>744054899
>what is Youtube: the post

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>>744054917
Deliberately misgendering someone for the purposes of causing them emotional distress is harassment.

Wouldn't you agree? That's what we're talking about, right?

Nobody is going to be sued or jailed for accidentally misgendering someone once or twice; that's simply not how harassment is determined.

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You get named a Nazi for no reasons? Congrats, now you know how it is to be german... And please call them neo nazis, they dont have much in common with actual nazis from history.


And one side note... Americans did lie with the Holocaust, I dont say it never happened (I have no clue, I wasnt there) but many old people in our nursing homes tell different stories and the math doesnt fit either...

>>744047159
You're retarded.

>>744055013
Balls of steel on this anon.

>>744054839
>china has more people
>the same percentage would represent a bigger population
>numbers

That's what "more" means you fucking retard

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>>744054934
I need muh member berries

and some e.

>>744054999
what is "I literally had friends in the crowd" and your narrative is fake as shit. just to address one point - in order for that guy to be driving on that road, they had to move barriers. They are currently looking for the people who helped him do that. But go on, keep defending the guy who used ISIS tactics on peaceful protesters.

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>>744055068
I'd rather be poor in the US than China tbqhfamaladingdong.