Just had a breaktrough in the DMT realm and talked with multiple

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>>743987059

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>>743987059
What do you want in life?
>I ask so that you will ask yourself, and become directed toward it.

>>743987059
Ask them how to build a faster-than-light engine for a spaceship.

We need to get off our asses and start exploring the universe.

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>>743987059

>>743987059
You're just high. Faggot.

>>743987059
Correction: You got high and hallucinated.

Why's the world stupid?

>>743987059

are there going to be any more good games for the switch? I liked breath of the wild but everything else so far seems like complete cack

>>743987059
where do we go after death OP

>>743987059
What really is long division?

bump for interest

>>743987059
How do I retain all of those in the moment understandings after they become just fuzzy memory traces?

Also where can I get DMT?

>>743989005
Hey sorry i took so long, after you die you go back to source the "singularity" where all is one and its outside of time and space you remember who you truly are that you are pure infinite awareness that can attract and create worlds and everything by toughts - law of attraction youre basically consciouss energy operating your brain


i was out sorry i took so long but im back

>>743988826

Its pretty subjective.
On the short term:
less awareness = stupid
more awareness = intelligent

by definition ingelligent == Awareness of information percieved by the consciouss

A lot of people get in a certain character or role to learn a certain lesson, all sub-conscioussly

lifes a full circle it never begins and never ends

>>743990733
This is why you shouldn't do drugs kids.

>>743990990
Ofcourse you dont understand.

You are far away from a higher consciousness.

Boy, you wont believe what life's really about, i bet all you can come up with is "work as hard as you can and obey the government!" or "to find love" without background knowledge fucking idiot

>>743991354
I understand plenty. You got high.

Life isn't "really about" anything, except making making more life. What you want your life to be about is up to you.

Get clean.

>>743991467
Im happy.

"Get Clean"

Wtf because i do DMT for my first time on a weekend after a long week at work im automatically "addicted" ? Since you wrote "Get Clean" i assume thats what the purpose of yoru message is.

Sums up that you dont know shit, brainwashed idiot.

>>743991467
Do your judgements of others re-validate your sense of self?

>>743991467
>I understand plenty. You got high.

Just like a kid that doesnt understand how a car works because he isnt even able to comprehend.

Thats exactly you, theres much more to life than we can percieve.

Quantenmechanics is approving this, feels bad doesnt it?

Tried to be a smartass and ends up looking idiot af

>>743991556
and do your reactions protect your sense of self?

>>743991556
>
Wtf because i do DMT for my first time on a weekend after a long week at work im automatically "addicted" ?
No, but it does mean that you did drugs.
> Since you wrote "Get Clean" i assume thats what the purpose of yoru message is.
The purpose of my message is that you shouldn't do it again.
>Sums up that you dont know shit
More than you.

we don't know what the fuck is going on. we can believe and make assumptions, but it holds no polity. everything is consciousness/language. all beliefs are equally untrue.

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>>743987059
if you feel like you know everything, you've learnt nothing

>>743991594
Yes.
>>743991637
No, on all levels. Some higher consciousness you've got going on there that you get so salty so easily.

>>743991467
Oh man

you dont even know what DMT is right?
kek

>>743991812
N,N-Dimethyltryptamine

>>743991674
>The purpose of my message is that you shouldn't do it again.

Right, so i should go smoke and drink alcohol like every other sheep of the society right?

Even tough alcohol or tobacco is way worse than DMT and DMT is even natural.

This just proves You dont know shit

"Drugs are bad because they are illegal mkay!"

>>743991783
No, im aware that i know that i know nothing.

But in comparison to my previous level of understanding its just too extreme thats what i mean :)

>>743991936
>Right, so i should go smoke and drink alcohol like every other sheep of the society right?
No.
>Even tough alcohol or tobacco is way worse than DMT and DMT is even natural.
Lots of things are natural. That doesn't make them good for you, especially when taken in unnatural amounts.

>>743991908
Nice Wikipedia Copy-Paste
kek

>>743992020
Lets have a talk.

Do you drink Tea, Milk or Coffee by any chance?

>>743992029
Thanks.

>>743991783
But anon.

The more you know, the more you realise you don't know.

So the more you know, the less you should feel like you know everything.

I mean with every answer comes more questions. That's the nature of reality. We can never know everything. And the closure we think we are to knowing everything, the further away we actually are.

So it seems like on some level you could be deceiving yourself.

>>743992029
he gave you an answer to a question you asked bro. either you are trolling or heavily misled in your own ego trip.

>>743992098
>Tea
Herbal.
>Milk
Rarely.
>Coffee
Yes, in moderation. The effects of caffeine are well documented.

>>743992152
Beautiful Words man +1

>>743991789
>>Yes.
This creates suffering. You can decide you've suffered enough at any moment. Good luck, I love you anon.

>>743991637
>Quantenmechanics is approving this
No, quantum mechanics are constantly misinterpreted by stoners who think they're unraveling the fabric of reality. This is coming from a fellow stoner, heed my words, quantum mechanics implies nothing about the nature of consciousness.

>>743992226
>This creates suffering.
No, it creates relief.

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What did they say? How did they sound/look like? pnr.

>>743992196
Not op or anyone you've replied to, but your holier than thou attitude is pretty repulsive. People want to have different experiences than you, and that's okay. Stop judging others based on how you live your life.

>>743992296
>your holier than thou attitude is pretty repulsive
Okay. I don't care.
>People want to have different experiences than you, and that's okay
Not necessarily.
>Stop judging others based on how you live your life.
No.

lol @ gay nerds who don't believe OP
Hopefully one day I'll get this experience too
What happened when you talked to the entities brah?

>>743992152
Fucked it up with a typo.

closer*

But yeah. We have to be careful with that train of thought. Just remember, we're subjective beings living in an objective reality. We can never know everything unless we can see everything that is, ever was and ever will be at the same moment infinitely.

True objectvity isn't attainable in this form, only something akin to a creator or the creator can be truly objective as he is above and beyond this reality, created it, and understands every aspect of it from beginning to end.

>>743992196
right, what happened to "live and let others live"?

You drink coffee, tea & milk.

Those 3 drinks that are part of most of the cultures are extremely bad and unhealthy yet it is accepted in the society.

See? Be like me

I see you drink milk, tea & coffee i dont give a fuck its your life

Im living this life and i want to see as much as possible without risking my health or mentality

stuff i would never do is those labor made stuff like lsd, coke and stuff

Rarely do weed or shrooms and now tried DMT

hey, had an awesome life so far

>>743991759
this comment should be read by everyone who thinks they know everything or "thinks" they are enlightened

>>743992368
Then you'll always be unhappy. If not unhappy, you'll still have negative feelings about things that shouldn't matter to you. I'm selfish so that makes me happy, knowing someone like you will be affected negatively in this way. Have fun with that :^)

>>743992368
you're a faggot bro

>>743992368
What gives you the right to judge, when even science is imperfect in its understanding? For instance, you claim the effects of caffeine are well documented. They are not. They are better documented than most substances, but our understanding of the effects of caffeine is incredibly limited. It's only by taking things at face value that one can assume a lack of depth as you have done - not just in the case of caffeine, but in the case of the anons you've conversed with.

>>743992529
>right, what happened to "live and let others live"?
The problem is that we have to live in the same society. What you do will affect me.
>Those 3 drinks that are part of most of the cultures are extremely bad and unhealthy yet it is accepted in the society.
What are you babbling about?
>Im living this life and i want to see as much as possible without risking my health or mentality
>Rarely do weed or shrooms and now tried DMT
So much for not risking health or mentality, as demonstrated by this thread.

>>743987059
What is their position on string theory?

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Who is Satan and what is his agenda?

>>743992769
Bet you have no friends haha

>>743992769
Living in the same society has zero effect on you. This isn't heroin he's talking about, you have a fundamental lack of knowledge about this entire subject. Sad.

>>743992851
All he has is echo chambers on the internet.

>>743992566
>Then you'll always be unhappy.
I'm not unhappy now.
> you'll still have negative feelings about things that shouldn't matter to you.
Who decides what should and shouldn't matter to me?
>>743992574
Actually I'm quite straight.
>>743992576
>What gives you the right to judge
I do.
>when even science is imperfect in its understanding
Saying that something is imperfect, therefore it can be safely ignored, is nonsense.

>>743992239
Well

Say whatever you want about weed or stoners but you cant admit that this stuff humbles people down and people seem to care more about nature and love


people sure get another insight of life like a new perspective that makes them think why are things how they are

i wouldnt consider that a negative thing at all, do you?

how much money did you owe them

>>743992917
Like I said, if not unhappy you have negative feelings which will always affect you, and I am thankful for that. A judgmental person deserves such feelings :)

>>743992851
You'd lose that bet.
>>743992865
>Living in the same society has zero effect on you.
You don't understand how societies work then. Beliefs inform actions, and actions have consequences.

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>>743987059
Trains A and B are traveling in the same direction on parallel tracks.
Train A is traveling at 60 mph and train B is traveling at 70 mph.
Train A passes a station at 12:20 P.M.
If train B passes the same station at 12:32 P.M.
At what time will train B catch up to train A?

>>743992769
It literally has 0 effect on you bro, i dont know what the fuck youre talking about.

Oh btw yea im so broken now lol i got heart & brain cancer now + my health is at ultimate risk i cant even walk lol are you literally retarded?

Sorry, a informative conversation with you makes no sense, youre still too brainwashed.

>>743993040
How does smoking DMT negatively effect society more than the caffeine you drink?

>>743987059
what is conscienceness, how is it that we have a conscience but others do not.

>>743993033
>negative feelings which will always affect you
Negative feelings about certain other people, which gives me positive feelings about myself.
>A judgmental person deserves such feelings
Thanks, I hope you enjoy those feelings as well.

we can only be certain of our own individual subjective experience and experiences

>>743992917
Why don't we all point ourselves as judges then? I'll go kill you and judge myself innocent, problem solved. Or, instead of irrationally claiming the sovereignty of your own opinion, you might consider the following: Science is not ignored when its information is imperfect, but unknown consequences often limit it. In this situation you are not being asked to ignore your opinion, only to consider the consequences of what you don't know.

>>743988220
We should focus on cryochambers so we can technically just skip the trip

>>743993081
An informative conversation with you is impossible if you can't understand that what one person does will affect other people.
>>743993095
It makes you believe and spout nonsense. Beliefs inform actions, actions have consequences. People on caffeine don't do what you've done in this thread.

>>743993360
>Why don't we all point ourselves as judges then?
We do.
> I'll go kill you and judge myself innocent, problem solved.
We have collectively given the right to judge certain actions to appointed judges. Those rights still come from us.
>Instead of irrationally claiming the sovereignty of your own opinion
It isn't irrational.
> In this situation you are not being asked to ignore your opinion, only to consider the consequences of what you don't know.
Where?

>>743992819
>Anonymous 09/02/17(Sat)21:34:15 No.743992819 ▶
>>>743987059 (OP)
>What is their position on string theory?


String theory goes to the fundation. What i learned is that this reality is programmed just like a virtual reality

Now since everything is information that is being decoded by a consciouss observer the strings would be like a language written in bits in 0 and 1

As far as i can trust these fuckers multiverses exists very well and at all time, like a self-living organism that recreates itself & destroy itself once a certain level of information is needed

The information in the universes is never lost thats what i got out but if the information in the universes is never lost where is the information stored? could it be in consciousness?

I know it sounds crazy but we are the same entity splitted up to have this experience and to gather information

We are all the same, we come from the same point since this universe has started and we will go to the same place once we experience physical death

Man i wish i could tell you exactly what i learned trough visuals and shit but i cant this human language is so fucking limited

>>743992926
There are negative aspects of drug use, but no that is not one of them. If there were no positive aspects I wouldn't be a stoner. I only started taking hallucinogens last year (I'm 26), because I didn't want to negatively impact my brain development. The assumption that drugs would negatively impact me comes from what I view as credible, but I don't judge people for having other opinions. I don't judge people for taking risks I wouldn't. This isn't the drugs talking either, I've always felt this way.

>>743993619
We need to clarify the word judge it seems. Having an opinion is not the same as judging. Everyone has a right to their opinion, as you have stated. Judging people is taking your opinion and forcing it on others without compromise - whether it be in conversation or some other action. To judge others is often to harm them, a grave consequence. Thus, we can not rationally appoint ourselves as judges, lest you submit to harm from others.

>>743993098
Biggest Mistery if you ask that Question while still in this low 3Dimensional World

In the DMT Realm, i didnt had the need to ask that questions because i was just it, i think so i am, it felt like i got past-lifes and whole information about the universe and the realm where time and space is created

the realization that youre scientifaclly just a conscious energy that has the potential to create whatever he wants in the other realm was so extreme


Btw: trust me i know exactly how crazy this sounds but i stick with this i cant explain it at all levels

>>743993819

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M

https://youtu.be/xh6V8xigZc4

>>743994212
motherfucker do you think im going to listen to 28minutes audio stuff?

Sum up what this guy is trying to say there

>>743994156
Let me explain why you're wrong.
Since I started smoking pot, my grades in community college went from Cs to As. I took my higher GPA and used it to get into a prestigious 4 year university which I'm not attending. A week after I was accepted to said university, I went to the ER. It turns out I have multiple sclerosis, and my marijuana use was actually treating its symptoms. My body knew what it needed, and the drug vastly improved my life.

>>743994369
now attending*

>>743994024
>Judging people is taking your opinion and forcing it on others without compromise
I can't force you to agree with my opinion. If you mean speaking my opinion and not compromising my opinion, then this isn't necessarily bad. It's often quite good. The fact that everyone can have their own opinions doesn't mean that all opinions are equally justified. The idea that compromise is always good is fallacious.
>To judge others is often to harm them, a grave consequence.
It's also often to help them. Have you ever heard of tough love? It's also often to help others. If you have to harm one person in order to prevent them from harming others, it's frequently justified.
>Thus, we can not rationally appoint ourselves as judges, lest you submit to harm from others.
We can, for the reasons I've just stated, and you can do the same to me.

>>743994369
It was sarcastic.

Even Southpark is making fun of the brainwashed people that dont do their own research on substances etc like zombies "Drugs are bad because they are illegal"

Guess who invested multiple-billions in such propaganda?
Pharma Industry

Not everything is fucking heroin or coke people are really fucking stupid

>>743994470
You are currently in a situation where you cannot know if your action will harm or help. Take for instance my story: >>743994369. Had I followed your advice last year, my life would be shit. You would have effectively destroyed my future. Considering you are on the side of the majority, there is a good chance that's exactly what would have happened (I had to ignore a number of people, which put me on the fence).

this shit so complex like, what are we meant to DO. What is our goal. To reproduce as far as science can tell, we all have a fear of death so there's a self preservation mechanism that all life seems to have. But why? What's the point? Is it based on the individual or is there a bigger Disney ass meaning behind this. All I can say is that we're gonna look back at science and be like "what the fuck" in a century or too

>>743994687
Damm you really think smoking some little plant will destroy your life instantly.
We cant help you here at this point man, no seriously wtf are you on? You got 0% pratictal experiences and you act like you got 100% experience.

Youre one brainwashed motherfucker

>>743995020
I think not smoking said plant would have destroyed my life, because it treated my multiple sclerosis symptoms, improved my grades, and got me into a four year university. I'm not the person you think I am, I'm replying to him.

>>743994309
I'm not OP or anyone in this convo it's just a nice listen about science and how we only can perceive it if we can weight it, feel it, see it, and fuck it. But there's so much at play behind the scenes science can't explain

>>743994687
>You are currently in a situation where you cannot know if your action will harm or help.
I can know that spreading mysticism and pseudoscience is harmful to society. I can know that DMT use increases the likelihood of people spreading mysticism and pseudoscience.

You're trying to take a personal anecdote and apply it to people at large. What you should have done is gone to the doctor regularly. Then your multiple sclerosis would likely have been detected and you could have received treatment under medical supervision. That marijuana use happened to help you is not an argument.

>>743994952
>What is our goal.

To evolve, spiritually & physically, just evolve every consciousness learns something from all kind of stuffs even if its minor, the information is stored.

Knowledge is infinite

We are afraid of death because its one of our primary instincts to stay alive and to gather information. Once humanity evolves spiritually enough the fear of death will go away i garantee 100%

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>>743987059
What concentration of APTES would you use and in what solvent, to functionalize the surface of mesoporous SiO2 for antibody conjugation?

>>743993687
>What i learned is that this reality is programmed just like a virtual reality


Damm

A lot of scientists are now claiming that we very well might be living in a computer simulation

this makes me now even more curious

are we really existing within a simulation?

>>743995166
>I can know that spreading mysticism and pseudoscience is harmful to society.
It depends on the mysticism and pseudoscience. Many have been very helpful for society, and actually led to the invention of science.
>I can know that DMT use increases the likelihood of people spreading mysticism and pseudoscience.
Prove it. Correlation isn't causation.
>You're trying to take a personal anecdote and apply it to people at large.
I'm giving you a specific example of how your ignorance can harm others when you judge them.
>What you should have done is gone to the doctor regularly.
I did. I come from an affluent family. My mother is a doctor. Believe it or not, MS is really hard to detect until it gets bad. The marijuana usage didn't stop it from getting bad, there is no treatment, but until I got to that point it allowed me to function in a healthy way.

>>743995333
>are we really existing within a simulation?

We are man, its fucking virtual everything around us is fucking virtual just fucking bits of 0 and 1 being decoded by the brain and percieved by consciousness

alone that fact shows that it is programmed

We are all powerful creators that can create anything and right now we are living a created experience by choice

Life starts with blackout, at the end you recollect your old informations and connect to a Higher-Self version of yourself with greater awareness of all the information

>>743995485
No. That people influential in science were also into mysticism does not mean that mysticism led to the invention of science, nor does it mean that mysticism continues to be useful even if it had. Pseudoscience is even worse in a way, since it masquerades as science when it is not.
>Prove it. Correlation isn't causation.
DMT itself can cause hallucinogenic experiences where people report contact with other entities. It's a direct result of taking the drug.
>I'm giving you a specific example of how your ignorance can harm others when you judge them.
And I'm telling you that it doesn't matter. You could come up with a situation where not looking before crossing the street helped someone, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell people to look before crossing the street.

I'm sorry to hear about your personal problems, but they don't change anything.

>>743990733
I suspected exactly this for a while actually, only through "research" without ever having taken any mind altering drugs.
What if you "an hero", though. Would there any implications? I sometimes feel like I wanna just restart my life.

>>743996099
>Life starts with blackout, at the end you recollect your old informations and connect to a Higher-Self version of yourself with greater awareness of all the information

*You existed way before you enter your current physical vessil to roam around in this 3D World and will still exists

my brother, we are for eternity and the stuff that awaits and is known in the so called "death" is greater than what humanity dont know at this point ;)

Joe Rogan said something that really made me think about what is consciousness and what's not. The brain is like a super computer and since the dawn of time we have played around with mechanics, robotics, etc etc. Something only humans can do. Humans are the only animal that can kill from a distance. We have started to develop artificial intelligence, now we have to ask is it a person, it's programmed to think and feel. That AI then looks at it self and says, you guys suck at AI hold my beer. Then the AI makes another AI that's even better, and that AI makes a better one. And another one but even faster then that one makes one that's better and faster. When does it end, could it be? That we were put on this earth to build God?

Who is Nara Das?

>>743996100
Mysticism gave birth to philosophy, philosophy gave birth to science, Mysticism continues to help people in emotional distress in ways that science cannot. Science still struggles to understand many of the benefits of mysticism. Of course there are problems that come with mystical thinking, those are not being denied. You are the one denying.
>DMT itself can cause hallucinogenic experiences where people report contact with other entities.
And yet we have know way of knowing what said hallucinations truly are. We have guesses. We also have data suggesting they help cure addiction and other psychological ailments like PTSD. Simply having a hallucination does not make you a mystical thinker. Instead, hallucinations have led me down the road of science and evidence, so that I might understand them.
>And I'm telling you that it doesn't matter.
Hurting people doesn't matter? You're scum.

Rogang also said what if our brain is like a wifi router, and when the wifi to router breaks (or we die) the signal is cut off but not gone. Our consciousness could be like a signal from a radio tower. And we're all connected to it and surf the web (live our lives) how we want

>>743996640
I think this is exactly the case. video related to this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aWM95RuMqU

I heard if you use DMT too much your brain wont be able to release any when you die is tbis true?

>>743996482
>Mysticism gave birth to philosophy
Philosophy rejects mysticism.
>Mysticism continues to help people in emotional distress in ways that science cannot
It can comfort people in ways that science cannot, but I would not say that this is a good thing.
>You are the one denying.
Yes, I am.
>And yet we have know way of knowing what said hallucinations truly are.
Our understanding of the human brain increases all the time.
>We have guesses.
Informed 'guesses' based on empirical data.
>Simply having a hallucination does not make you a mystical thinker.
I never said that it was 1:1, I said that it increases the likelihood. My looking before crossing the street analogy stands.
>Hurting people doesn't matter?
Way to put words in my math.
>You're scum.
Nice ad hominem.

>>743996272


>That we were put on this earth to build God?

Maybe to make a Good God..

There's no such thing as a "God" or "Supreme being" in the DMT Realms we are all one.
So if by definition there's a "God", its all of us together as ONE BIG ENTITY.

God attributes - almighty and can create whatever he wants
Consciousness attributes - at higher frequency we can create by toughts just by using the law of attraction


theres not one supreme being tough we are all one and blessed
There was also total peace at that Realm so everyone and everything was very positive towards eachother taking kindly care of all, just like a big infinite intelligent being would do

>>743996640
>Our consciousness could be like a signal from a radio tower. And we're all connected to it and surf the web (live our lives) how we want

Interesting!!!!

From another perspective in the DMT Realm it felt like the DNA was mainly like a antenna that gets percieved by my consciousness, and in this programmed universe even distance or physicality is an illusion since its just information being percieved like a 3D Hologram

this gave me a little mindfuck tough so i quickly turned my attention to other stuff

>>743997013
>in my math
Mouth.

>>743996918
that would be scary as fuck

>>743997013
I put no words in your mouth. I explained how ignorant judgement can harm people. You said it didn't matter. I think it matters a lot, and everyone here who thinks you're an asshole agrees. It's very easy to not pass judgement on someone in situations where you are ignorant. It does not diminish your opinion in any way, or prevent you from sharing it. My opinion that you are scum is not ad hominem. I am not using this opinion to make an argument. I believe that you don't care about hurting other people, and so I think you are scum.

>>743997049
>So if by definition there's a "God", its all of us together as ONE BIG ENTITY.
>God attributes - almighty and can create whatever he wants
>Consciousness attributes - at higher frequency we can create by toughts just by using the law of attraction

Glad im not alone with this experience, we got literally the exact same information man

Where the entities green men with multiple faces sort of multi-dimensional beings seeing to create multi-dimensional objects and stuff for you?

>>743997516
>I put no words in your mouth.
You did.
>I explained how ignorant judgement can harm people. You said it didn't matter.
We never have complete knowledge of everything. We are not gods. What doesn't matter here is your personal experience. That you happen to have been an exception does not change that we should apply what we know as best we can.
>I think it matters a lot, and everyone here who thinks you're an asshole agrees.
I don't care how many people think I'm an asshole. A lot of people thinking something doesn't make it so.
>My opinion that you are scum is not ad hominem. I am not using this opinion to make an argument.
As long as we are clear on that.
>I believe that you don't care about hurting other people
You're free to believe that, but I know that you're wrong.
>I think you are scum.
You are free to your opinion.

I've never done DMT, don't plan on it since I'm still growin by but I've always been super into this kind of stuff since I stopped believing in God. I feel like no amount of studying or reading about it will compare to how it feels. I wanted to start off easy with shrooms, but would it change me for the better or worse at this early age

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>>743997831
>Where the entities green men with multiple faces sort of multi-dimensional beings seeing to create multi-dimensional objects and stuff for you?

Yes they were 2 but they were very feminine and did some fucked up stuff man like the could change body size and be everywhere at the same time like gods

when i started flying around trough the universe at fucking lightspeed i got eyes that poped up everywhere and got confronted by this entity that was like half goat half cat and had really beautiful colors and in those colors were emotions and this being letting me know that i have no reason to be scared and hes going to help me

and when we broketrough the universe he presented me to these green ladies

*sort of like this but with much more details and really like higher multi-dimensional consciouss beings

>>743987059
if we all have the same perspective, wouldnt that imply we are all the same? we are the perspective and not the person? that we just experience this life through the perspective we all share? the perspective of "I" and "me" or "myself" whatever you wanna call it?
so were not reborn, we simply are all the same perspective experiences lives of lifeforms that utilize our perspective (us) thinking we are them, thinking we can influence it, thinking we are the ones doing it
idk what you wanted me to ask but this is it
(im not high, just a dude with responsibilites trying to avoid them)

>>743998109
>We are not gods.
I think you should tell yourself this more often. I am not asking you to ignore the knowledge we have, but to aknowledge the abundances we lack. Bear in mind that most of your claims in this thread have been heard by everyone here, many many times. If people know what you know but still have another opinion, it's because they know something else. That something else may or may not be correct, but until you can identify it your judgement will be an ignorant one. What matters here is NOT your personal experience, it's theirs.

I have a dream of hooking up some kind of wiring to the brain and being able to see what they see through a tv screen and be able to see someone's trip or through an animals eyes

>>743998221
I would like to try DMT but 1. I have no idea where to get it from because of severe social anxiety and 2. I'm afraid of getting a "bad" experience.

>>743988107
So what about some kid that gets born with severe deformities and dies before it's even aware of what's going on?
Life isn't a school, life is hell. There is no lesson learned from constant suffering.
If this is really some ancient Indian wisdom, then it's no surprise that they shit into their own streets and bathe in a river full of dead bodies and waste.

>>743998605
Well if you've never done psychedelics start off with shrooms and work your way up

>>743998605
You could as random sketchy people if they know anyone, if you live in a big city like LA, Seattle, it shouldn't be so hard

>>743998265
>by this entity that was like half goat half cat and had really beautiful colors and in those colors were emotions


NO FUUCKING WAAAY DUUUDEE!!!!

WTF WTF WTF

WHERE DID YOU LAND AFTER THAT? WAS IT LIKE THOSE GREEN ENTITIES PROJECTED BEAMS OF INFORMATION TO YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS JUST LIKE BOOKS????

i cant believe we met the same entities man wtf im going to do DMT again man so muich fucking shit man it always felt really fucking real like the realist reality ever

>>743998562
>That something else may or may not be correct, but until you can identify it your judgement will be an ignorant one.
This usually isn't difficult to do. It's personal experience, biases, and/or fallacious reasoning, none of which is justification for knowledge.
>What matters here is NOT your personal experience, it's theirs.
That's the thing though: neither of our personal experiences matter. We are not gods. We can be fooled, both by others and by ourselves.

>>743998605
I would recommend to try Shrooms or LSD first.
Because then you will realize that DMT is pretty different and very fucking real in comparison to other psychedelics, NEUROTRANSMITTER the spirit molecule

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genuinely insightful thread so far, OP is definitely not a faggot

>>743992152
Am I the only one who understands you and the guy you're referring to are saying the same thing?

>>743999251
>neither of our personal experiences matter.
If that were true we wouldn't be having this conversation. Personal experience has more of an effect on our lives than scientific data. It is important to admit where personal experience is flawed, but it is just as important to aknowledge its value. When discussing judgement, scientific data seems more applicable as its less biased and more accurate. However, Science has little to say about spiritual matters, or even how the human brain works. Hell, we don't even know how individual neurons work. We have only the most basic understandings. As such, personal experience can be more valuable than science even in fundamentally scientific discussions. This is not one of those discussions. The judgement you have given is one about a proper way to live one's life (doing drugs). Science has even less to say about this, yet you use it as the source of your judgement without ever seeking to understand the personal experiences of those you judge.

>>743998605
you can make it yourself once you order the right plant. Many plants contain DMT and are legal. Im not going to list my go to because I dont want it banned. Basically you dissolve the plant matter in caustic soda and the put naptha in and then extract the naptha, put in a glass baking tray then put in the freezer and then extract the chrystals. Look for a detailed Tec. My pro tip is to leave the glass dish under your bed for a few days/weeks. You get much bigger chrystals.

>>743993393
we should focus on FTL travel, so there is a trip to make.
people live their whole lives in tiny ass nowhere towns, would a big ass spaceship be much different? (yes, but no)

no point freezing ourselves if we goin nowhere, i don't care if jim colonizes a planet or jim's grandson

>>743992917
Your constant need for self validation is evidence of your insecurity . And your inevitable rebuttal of pure existentialism bullshit means you have no respect for anything which does not fit your worldview which has already been decided by you, or when absolutely forced to. Why not just have an open mind and consider alternatives, even if they are pure subjective bullshit. You're right in that beliefs inform actions, but you're kidding yourself if you think your attitude will have any impact in what you perceive as problems. You're a good example of why no one will change their mind unless confronted with understanding, not immediate rejection and judgement. Insulating beliefs instead of connecting them will only serve yo perpetuate. You're clearly attempting to relay what you think is wrong through hour beliefs, while simultaneously ignoring others. And that makes you arrogant, and irrelevant. You will get no respect as I'm sure you've noticed in your life, nor do you deserve any.

Please change. Or at least try to not open your mouth before at LEAST considering what someone says. Even if bullshit. Understanding where these ideas come from instead of outright rejection will help you change beliefs, and therefore help yourself and the community, as you've stated.

>>743999997
>If that were true we wouldn't be having this conversation
I should clarify: neither of our personal experiences matter for determining truth.
>However, Science has little to say about spiritual matters
Because spiritual tends to be either ill-defined or defined in such a way that science cannot investigate it.
>even how the human brain works
Science has quite a bit to say on how the human brain works. Sure, we don't have a complete understanding, but we know far more than our ancestors did.
>As such, personal experience can be more valuable than science even in fundamentally scientific discussions
How so?
>The judgement you have given is one about a proper way to live one's life (doing drugs)
Right.
>Science has even less to say about this
I don't know how much we know about it relative to the brain, but science has quite a bit to say about this as well. Social sciences exist. We can study the effect of drugs on the individual and on society.

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>>743991467
>get clean

>from DMT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>743987059
Have you ever channeled a spirit? Was your breakthrough physical? How much did you smoke?

>>743992529
try lsd.

>>743987059
Why do we piss when we shit, but dont shit when we piss?

>>743987059

Why is there so much suffering in the world?

>quoting op
>2017

for fucks sake

>>744000758
Again, people already know the effects of drugs on the human brain as described by scientific studies. The question you should be asking is: Why are people willing to take this risk? - there are many valid reasons. Some of them, like mine, you might even aknowledge as having scientific validity. Judging someone before understanding this can cause great harm, whether that is your intent or not.