>1953 korean war almost lost by USA, no victor >vietnam

dont forget WW2,
>america joins last minute and claims they won it, when it was actually russia

>>743568600
Yeah because russia did so much against japan right

>>743568710
>japan was the major threat

good one

>100 nukes
Source?

Either way, the war will take long only because of said 10 million soldier. Otherwise our Airforce will stomp everything they have like a crippled child. On top of the countless cruise missiles we'll shit on them, ground troops will only show up to support the south korean forces as they mop up.

>>743568488
>Korean war
Isn't over, at armistance
>Vietnam war
Lost by south Vietnam, America withdrew
>Afghan war
Still going on
>Iraq war
Won by USA
>Georgian war
USA is afraid of a war with Russia, for good reason
>Ukraine
See above

>>743568600
Daily reminder that Russia was set to collapse in 41 and 42 but was saved by the American lend lease program sending them billions of dollars of food weapons and tanks

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>>743568488
USA has already lost, because NK knows they won't/can't do shit other than shitpost

>>743568710
Because Japan was the one with a competing nuclear program. Right. Not Germany.

Fuckng retard

>>743568488
>100 nukes
It's almost as if you don't understand the longevity of a criticality-capable nuclear core and the maintenance overhead involved in keeping "nukes" viable as a weapon.

This comes as a small surprise since you're a liberal. No doubt you've subbed out chemical sciences for gender studies in college.

>>743568600
Also America and Britain saved Russia by relieving the pressure on them by invading Africa, starting a 2-front war
See operation torch
Also, USA was a part of the war in 1941

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>>743568859

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>>743568995

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There is a false dichotomy here. Wars can have different outcomes than just 'won' or 'lost.' Ever heard of a stalemate? Or achieving some objectives, but not others?

It also becomes very difficult to gauge an outcome when the primary objective is to 'send a message' across all political fronts. Let's say that the Vietnamese war was a definite loss for the US: they failed in their objective of preventing a Communist takeover of Vietnam. However, they did send a message that they were willing to fight to prevent the spread of communism, and no further SE Asian countries were invaded by the vastly more powerful China, backed by Russia.

Also, none of these were wars of survival, at least not from the US perspective. Things go a little more all-out in those sorts of wars.

>>743568995
for someone that hates trump, you got many gigabytes of images of him

>>743568488
sure kid

>>743568757
>USA is afraid of a war with Russia, for good reason

Reason being they would be going up against someone who isn't a dirt poor rice farmer or goat herder lmao

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>>743568488
If there was ever a war, one thing Kimmy would do is move 1000's of school kids to military sites

>there will never be another war with NK

>>743569063
Sounds like butthurt.

More money lost than gained. Lost.

North Korea made one big mistake, firing that missile over Japan, if it had landed by mistake mid flight on Japan, we would not be talking like this right now, there would be conscriptions flying left, right and centre - for the US, SK, China and Japan.

China isn't dumb to allow NK to fire missles onto landmases as they please, and will retaliate.

>>743569063

Its called "Vietnam Syndrome."

"Historians both inside and outside the military do not accept the idea of Vietnam Syndrome as being legitimate, and they often point out that the superiority in combat exhibited by the Viet Cong and the regular North Vietnamese Army was rooted in those forces' ability to be agile in ways the United States forces and South Vietnamese forces were never able to be."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Syndrome

We lost, on all levels. Since then, media has tried to portray the Vietnam war as something more noble than it was; a purely imperialistic action on behalf of the USA.

For example, you say that

>"they did send a message that they were willing to fight to prevent the spread of communism, and no further SE Asian countries were invaded by the vastly more powerful China, backed by Russia."

This ignores the history of what happened. China and Russia were not looking to invade anything, there was an independent communist revolution in Vietnam that received support from China. Much in the same way the USA supports democratic uprising. The French lost control of Vietnam, and we say an opportunity to extend our control in that part of the world, as we did in Korea and the Philippines.

>>743568885
>competing
Germany weren't even at 1% of the progress the US had made in nuclear technology. After the war the Western allies put their scientists in a bugged house and when they spoke among themselves they thought that the nuclear bombing of Japan was just a lie at first. They couldn't fathom that someone actually developed a bomb.

>>743569331
Because it wouldn't be over in a couple of years. It would drastically change the world. Stop thinking like you are a rice farmer.

>>743568488

"Quick, Make anti U.S. threads before the americans wake up!"

Shiggity Diggity

>>743569443

Yeah look what happened to the Philippines (which was US owned after the war with Spain - they didn't invade it) after the US had it.

Economy sucked dry, now kids live like paupers on the streets, begging.

It is where that sick Australian fuck filmed Daisy's Destruction also.

>>743569472
Shut up you fucking bitch. Shut your fucking mouth you fucking faggot. Don't act like you could do anything you little bitch. Give me your adress you stupid cunt. Me and my friends will burn your family and shoot your house you stupid faggot.

>>743568488
Why would we lose unless its profitable?

>>743569448

Actually they did get far, just needed a reliable delivery mechanism, which is why they were working heavily on the V1 Rocket.

It is no surprise after WW2 that America and Russia were working on Jet Propulsions. Without those Jewish German Scientists America and Russia would be a lot different today.

>>743569626
do you actually believe murica could have easily won all of these wars, they just didn't want to?

>>743569610
>>743569610

>didn't invade the Philippines

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War

>>743569723

The Philippines was given as part of the peace treaty with their war with Spain, and for a couple of years the past ruler that was exiled by Spain tried to come back and declare an independent Philippines.

Again, America had the Philippines they had an internal struggle against rebels. So yeah no Invasion.

Just because you saw a war title doesn't mean an invasion happened.

>>743569448
The fuck are you literally clueless?

>>743569690
No. Germany had a team of scientists working, America had thousands of people working on it, huge facilities and a limitless budget. The Germans weren't even close to getting the bomb. The Allies even found out that the Telemark operation was for nothing, it wouldn't even have mattered.

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>>743569614
Kim is not pleased wit your tone ....

>>743569872
Like this guy hasn't watched Hogans Heros

>>743569872

You do realize that they got the German Scientists out, one of them being Einstein right?

Surely they teach this shit in classes still?

>>743569614
comedy gold

>>743569825

dude, you cannot be this stupid.

we sent in more troops during that conflict than we did against the Spanish.

>sent soldiers to fight Filipinos
>did not invade

kek

>>743569966
Yeah I think you're completely missing my point.

>>743568488
withdrawl and abandonment are not counted as losses in war.

a more accurate way to determine victory and defeat in such cases would be to measure economies before and after, in which case I think we all know who the victor is.

>>743568488
You seem to have a very loose definition of "lost" and also no idea who allies of the US are.

>>743570034

Are you retarded to not understand simple English?

After your war with Spain, they gave the US the Philippines as part of the peace treaty.

America had troops and cvilians on the Island.

They didn't need to invade, they were there, it was under US rule.

The rebels came back to the Philippines and the conflict started.

Seriously nobody gets taught proper history anymore, even the simple stuff flies over the heads of kids.

>>743570038

Nope, the Jewish scientists were the key to it all, they were progressing with Hitlers bomb, but a few of them gave their lives so the others could escape as they didn't want the Nazis to have control of a weapon.

And the allies helped them escape, that's the US, UK, Russia and France who helped them get out.

That is why Hitler could never finish the bomb, they had no clue with the real minds behind it gone.

Which is why even though working on Jet Propulsion, they refocused on that to give them an edge by being able to launch thousands of missiles on Moscow and London, but they never got that far either, they came close with doodlebugs etc.

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>>743570221
it lived people on the islands before retard so it was not anything Spain had the right to give

>>743568488
>>743568600
>war against communism
won

/thread

>>743570443
Dude what are you even arguing, we're agreeing that the German nuclear project had nothing on its American counterpart.

>>743568488
>>743568600
>>743568859

Your countries are just sitting there, then actually do something to Burger Land.

Stopping being a little cunt.

>>743568751
I don't think a crippled child can stomp too hard

>>743570490

Kid go sit in the corner, let the adults speak, because you clearly have no clue.

Or are you scrambling so much from your initial attempt to look clever that you fucked up and you are trying so hard to fix that?

Never heard of the Treaty of Paris (1898), read it and learn about your country.

Or just sit in the corner and cry.

Either way you clearly know nothing of your country's history.

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>>743568488
you're missing the point. these wars weren't about winning territory as you imagine it. they were about taking economic/military partners away from russia. destroying russias trading partners. limiting military access/reach.

ever noticed all the countries usa bullies are friendly to russian interests?

they don't care about making democracy succeed anywhere; that's just a casus belli. the intent is to go in there and fuck the place up for daring to taking markets away from the western world and joining russias trading bloc. usa is a dual pronged machine, it's main power is from favorable trade conditions geographic and political. if the politics aren't right, that's where the military step in to spread some democracy. before you know it, free trade, huge reconstruction contracts farmed out from a newly established government to eager american firms financed with sizable loans from western banks

nato creeps on russias doorstep through poland and baltic states. the eu seduces long standing eurasian economic union members like ukraine and turkey. you think ukraine was a loss? the west just chronically FUCKED one of russias most important trade partners. they were close to turkey as well.

i suspect this north korea talk is a way of putting pressure on china. nk is a comfy buffer space for china, a country whose borders and main sea trading lanes are literally surrounded by united states allies. this is how usa operates. join us or die.

take a look at a few of the recent arab spring wars. in particular get on google news and do a search for news articles about selling oil in currencies like euros, gold, or gold backed alternatives. you'll need to use a date filter for it. set your date filter about a year earlier than the start date of the respective war

>>743570221

you are insane. you are totally insane. by your logic, the Allies didn't invade Nazi Germany because they were still under the Treaty of Versailles.

>After your war with Spain, they gave the US the Philippines as part of the peace treaty

so the fuck what? the Filipinos didn't agree to shit, and they rejected US rule and occupation.

>America had troops and civilians on the Island

go fucking figure! just because we landed there after the treaty with Spain doesn't mean it wasn't an invasion force meant to secure our agreement with Spain. you are LITERALLY playing work games and you know it.

>They didn't need to invade, they were there, it was under US rule.

what the actual fuck?

>The rebels came back to the Philippines and the conflict started

dude, those "rebels" were fighting against Spainish rule as well and signed a cease fire prior to the Spainish-American war. The First Philippine Republic was the government at the time, you don't just get to call them "rebels" because they didn't agree to a treaty between two foreign powers that attempted to dissolve their sovereignty.

>Seriously nobody gets taught proper history anymore, even the simple stuff flies over the heads of kids

you fucking revisionists are hilarious, you really are. this feels like I'm talking to someone who denies that WWI even happened, and even when presented with the evidence just keeps playing word games so he doesn't have to admit he is wrong.

>>743569690
>Actually they did get far
What crack are you smoking? They didn't even have a realible method of producing plutonium, as experiments involving "Hard Water' were still underway and would have taken at least another decade to finish. Secondly, the Germans never conceived of the Atom bomb, instead speculating on an aerosol form of spreading radiation.

>>743568600
Agreed. Stalingrad and Kursk were the turning points of the war in Europe. Nazis were already toast by D-Day.

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>>743568488
i think we can debate semantics like what constitutes loosing/withdraw/winning or what is war but i think it makes more sense to discuss events that will or might happen.
first of all: there's south korea. A pro-US state with a capital mere kilometers away from north korea. conventional artillery will level that capital with ease.
then there's japan. also pro US and as of now under nuclear thread. (then again, they survived it before so they're probably good to go again)
Then there's China, terribly afraid north korea will be conquered by the US, creating a US vassal state at their border. And they've backed north korean communism for decades. they're already loosing face now that kim forces them to speak out against NK.
And then there's russia. The absolute madman wild card. As of now russia sees strategic opportunity in all this tension. Any move by either china, japan or the US will be politicized and used as propaganda in favor of Putin.

So that's sort of the geopolitical climate we're dealing with.
then there's the state (oligarchy of unknown influential people with kim as a figurehead). There's the extreme loyalists, conditioned that the more loyal you are the better chance of a good job you have. and there's the normal people. destitute poor and with absolutely no idea how the world, or anything resembling a free market would work. Liberating them is like setting a baby deer loose on the highway.
so in all, any action will lead to either more power for the oligarchy or has to lead to the overthrowing of the oligarchy. both of which will result in even worsening conditions for the population.
The main concern for leaders around the world is therefore not the people of north korea. it's not even the people of south korea. it's purely the geopolitical position of all individual superpowers.
Is there a winning scenario for the current US? probably not because the population is incapable of self government and external government is occupation.

i could see USA "losing" via UN intervention.

no one wants to see millions of people die for no reason.

>>743568600
Dumb cunt

>>743570945
w/o americans it wouldn't have been a crushing defeat like it was though; more parts of france woulda been annexed, italy would prolly kept fascist rule.

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>>743569614
Edgy little one, aren't you

>>743568757
>>Korean war
>Isn't over, at armistance

basically the US SuperPowers surrendered to a bunch of norks

>>Vietnam war
>Lost by south Vietnam, America withdrew

basically the SuperPowers withdraw without getting results


>>Afghan war
>Still going on

basically the SuperPower with SuperWeapons cannot yet get results after 16 years of losses

>>Iraq war
>Won by USA

basically destroyed a country to get rid of Fictional Saddam Weapons and export Democracy... no results achieved (except if you consider Israel orders to destroy Iraq)

>>Georgian war
>USA is afraid of a war with Russia, for good reason

because Russia is better than USA.

>>Ukraine
>See above

Russia took Crimea without any of US Super Spy Satellites catching the smallest glimpse of tens of thousands soldiers and military objects going there.

tldr, in every fucking US-waged war, US soldiers are doomed to die without ever achieving any result.

>>743571126
what will the current administration do?
they might bomb military bases/strategic posts but the risk of south korea taking the blame for that is extremely high.
my best guess is that trump is trying to get China to force Kim into a saner policy.
He might even consider accepting China to annex north korea.
he does still have to find a way to call this a succes for his voters though.

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>>743571126
>and external government is occupation
they've done it before, they'll do it again. there's money to be had in nk. it's quite mineral rich, if they're culturally similar in work ethic to other regions nearby, there's potential for a competing industrial base to be built there. a western friendly/controlled country bordering china has got to be valuable to usa. there's plenty of motive here for usa to do something. plus it can all be justified because nk is a shit hole due to unethical rule and literally anything would be perceived as better by EVERYONE.

>>743571607
>what will the current administration do?
perhaps extreme political pressure similar to what has been applied to assad; however, starting a rebellion would be far more difficult since their borders and populace are much tighter controlled. i'd hazard a guess that nk has been pretty extensively mapped and surveilled; perhaps it's finally time to see just how effective f22 stealth capability really is with a preemptive strike

>>743570945
Without Russia steamrolling Germany on the Eastern Front, D-Day wouldn't have been possible and the Red Army would have kept marching right up to the English Channel.

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Why the fuck are people so worked up about N. Korea? the US can literally destroy them in a week or two. People need to stop falling for CNN bait.

>>743571600
Everyone rags on the US for Afghanistan, but really no world power ever effectively won there. It's a country of miserable terrain and peasants, yet the powers have fought over it for centuries now.

>>743572477
The steamrolling wouldn't have happened without US aid. One of the most vital supplies to Russia was trucks. They didn't have enough trucks to effectively move their forces. If they didn't have US equipment and support the Germans would have out maneuvered them and eventually won.

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>When the world hates you because they aren't you

>>743572792
and then turned around and the US would have had to fight the biggest, most battle hardened, technologically advanced and entrenched army in the world at that time... and do a beach landing...

yea, im first to say the US help was extemely valued and a necessity, but they could not have done it without the boodletting of the soviet union, while vice versa... they just might have.

>>743572678
so true. I saw this in a movie once. Professional armies end up getting ass raped there all the time.

>>743572792
People tend to forget the U.S supplied Russia with a SHIT TON of aid before we even joined the war. Without the U.S, Germany would have won in Europe.

>>743568488
what you're missing here is that the US, especially earlier last century, was a proxy for western colonial powers and not really representing itself in these wars

>1953 korean war
>vietnam war
they got what they wanted:bombing them both into the stone age with massive defoliation campaigns

both wars are clean-up because the US didn't get as far into east asia as they were supposed to in WW2 because the japanese did an amazing job in the pacific

pyongyang was the seat of confucianism, funny how we don't talk about that anymore

>afghan war
>iraq war
destabilising mesopotamia is half the reason WW1 and 2 even happened. the "european theatre" was literally theatre: allies avoided bombing german factories in order to prolong the war and were even providing germany with synthetic oil. it was a distraction and the real target was the ottomans (plus crushing the east and demonising socialism)

>georgian war
>ukrainian war
Russia and the US are two sides of the same coin. The Cold War was fucking fake

>upcomming korean war
all according to keikaku

>>743568488
It depends if there is no oil in NK then yeah America will decimate them Vietnam was a different time they went in half cocked with no jungle combat experience today is a totally different time american soldiers are far more experienced

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>>743568488
AMERICA
FUCK YEAH
Whatchooo gonna do when we com 4 uu?!

EEeeeegul!!!
Freeeedom!!
CORN!!

>>743572982
They would have done it, it would have been bloodier though. The US has a massive production base. Germany never would have been able to keep up with us. Yes the Germans had some amazing equipment, but they couldn't produce large quantities. The US has adequate equipment, and was able to churn it out in large quantities. The US could have produced equipment that matched the Germans toe to toe, but didn't want to refocus production efforts.

>>743569966
Einstein left Germany before the war even started, he was a Jew.

>>743569966
Einstein left Germany before the war even started, he was a Jew...

>>743573801
>>743573845
Einstein left Germany before the war even started, he was a Jew.

>>743573782
Einstein left Germany before the war even started, he was a Jew...

>>743570975
No I like it here

>>743568488
you list a lot of wars that were lost but who won them? you seem to imply america isn't a continent sized country that has military bases in foreign countries all over the world and in fact vietnam/afghanistan/iraq/korea/russia is poised to lead the world?

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tfw you were born in yugoslavia, seen more wars in your backyard than y'all pussy ass americans have on CNN, and yet you root as if it's a tournament of sorts.

>>743568488
Don't forget WW1, they let them fuck them selves and in the final they come in

>>743570513
>won

top kek

>>743569063
whatever, dude. and for the killshot, you literally talk just like my dad.

>>743574779
Americans are the bad guys

>>743568488
Given the current direction of the US, get ready to add two more:
Cold war with Russia: Lost, current president surrendered all we're supposed to be
War for freedom and democracy: Fascist takeover imminent, supported by president

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>>743568488

why does everyone seem to think the Vietnam police action (never did declare war) was to win? Protect democracy? Stop the vietcong? All BS.

That war had two purposes. Make money for the .1% investing in military, and disposable jobs. If the point was to win, we could have just carpet bombed the shit out of them, fire and fury style. But we had to play nice and be careful of the civilians. We had to be careful not to use too much force. The whole thing was pure bullshit, with no intention of ever 'winning'.

>>743568488
The problem with some of those is 1: they were not wars they were conflicts, so get your facts right. Second the reason they were such a loss was due to the politicians telling the military how to win a war when they were only concerned about filling their pockets and don't know shit about fighting a war.

>>743569063
This

>>743575094
Daddy issues. Not surprised

>>743569331
No dumb fuck. Nuclear weapons. Trumps fucking stupid enough to use them and Russia has a hell of a lot more than the Americans.

>>743571344
sand niggers fault for still having fucking villages made of sand and rock.

>>743569966
Holy fuck you're retarded. Please go back to school.

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>>743568488
the funny thing about people who believe the US army is weak is they think it's against a conventional army that they would lose when conventional armies is what the USA pounds to dust. It's against irregular forces the US has not always been too effective noted by their english counterparts in several conflicts) but the US is not someone to mess with. In the Korean War they outmaneuvered the massive advancing NK army, outsmarted them and pushed north extremely well, in Vietnam thousands of gooks burned in their holes for every dead american, in Afghan it's the same, The Iraqi army was so easily defeated it could hardly be considered a war, etc.

Your post is cringe please stop

>>743568488
I have to admit but OP is basically right. Starting with Korea, it was politicians and not generals who ran these wars. And it got progressive worse as we went along to the point where we stopped even trying to win and just hoped we could get out with some semblance of respect.

And as a result our enemies no longer feared us. "Walk softly but carry a big stick" is fine as long as you're willing to use the big stick.

Nation building is not a big stick.
Police action is not a big stick.
16 years fighting in a shithole is not a big stick.

It's too bad that the poor people of North Korea will probably be the first in a long time to get the "big stick" treatment. Trump needs to keep pushing the fact that he will use it if necessary.

If the world won't respect us and our allies, then they should fear us.

>>743577817
yeh agreed.

Pull up the tallies for casualties /b/. You'll see repeatedly we may lose life but we make the opposition lose ten fold.

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>>743568742

>germany was the major threat

good one

>>743568488
America pulled from Vietnam for political reasons you moron. The Vietcong themselves said they were shocked because America had the war won and then just left.

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>>743577966
But the allies won korea, our main objective: Keep South Korea Alive, was a success and the objective of the north: Unite korea under muh communism, was a failure.

>>743578002
/b/ seems to be very autistic with historical wars tbh, too many cringy tankies and wehraboos and no love for the military might of free republics who have historically done 200% more nazi and commie face punching than today's liberals.

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North Korea will obviously win. While you fat asses and rednecks are trying to convince each other about the conclusion of the war, there is 25 million of North Koreans, already prepared to die for their country, overtrained and starving, just waiting to take their revenge against occident.

I tell you, if Donald Trump declare the war with north Korea, you will see korean soldiers all over your cities and landscape forcing their new american slaves to build paddy fields.

With all the mistakes the US have, I still prefer the world being dominated by the Yankees over any other country.

>>743577817
>It's against irregular forces the US has not always been too effective
That's kind of a smokescreen though. The US military is a weapon of terror that throws a whole lot of ordinance at "insurgent" forces that aren't really there, or aren't really a threat, to justify prolongued campaigns of horriffic cultural subjugation and radicalisation.

Because eternal war needs eternal enemies, I guess. ISIS is a shining example.

Vietnam was a fucking mess for a bunch of reasons, not least of which the fact that the US wasn't really there for the purpose they said they were.

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>>743578499
This is exactly what the germans told the Hussites, this is what the Soviets told the Poles in 1920, this is what the Turks kept telling the Russians throughout the 1700-1800s, i could go on. Numbers are nothing.
>>743578526
/thread
>>743578534
It is more of a weapon of freedom and hope, as someone who should have been liberated by the US i damn it for never having liberated us when they could and we fell to the communist tyranny instead. The insurgent forces, similar to the ones in Spain in the 1810s, are hardcore conservatives who fight for religion and oppression. You have been brainwashed by your own biases my friend.

>>743568710
but russia could have easily crushed japan

>>743578258
>But the allies won korea, our main objective: Keep South Korea Alive, was a success and the objective of the north: Unite korea under muh communism, was a failure.

The country was already divided after WWII, the north held by the Soviet Union and the south by the US. When the north invaded the south, the allies pushed right up to the Chinese border then settled on the original boundaries. Settling on status quo after advancing so far isn't a victory.

Again, a political settlement not a military one.

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kek

NK will launch an ICBM.
It will crash in the ocean.
MOAB their capital a couple of times.
Watch their country burn.

You forget, most of the wars you've mentioned are either in the Middle East (where no one ever fucking wins) or during the communist scare.
Shit is different now anon, NO ONE likes NK.
NO ONE will defend them.

>>743579048
>It is more of a weapon of freedom and hope
holy shit

I mean congratz on being on the happy end of an intervention but you won the lottery there.

>>743578499
They may if they make the first move, but if the US does one of the first things they will do is neutralize the NK forces at the border.

But I don't think that will happen. NK generals know their country is in for a shitstorm and will overthrow the government if it comes to that.

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>>743571600
this guy gets it. And now what? War with North Korea? As far as I know, the troops in Afghan are fighting for nothing. I can see no real threat to our "freedom" from goat fuckers in the middle east apart from the sleeper cells they send over here.

Also, I like how people can be so war hungry at the expense of other people's lives. Especially politicians whose children don't have to enlist because of their basic safety net provided by their families. They could enlist but I mean cmon, what uptight, suit wearing, fancy dinner eating upper classmen would give up their seat at the Mahagonny dinner table for a ditch in the middle of the desert?

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>>743579176
They would probably do well at first but the war in Manchuria would probably become a stalemate by 1940 if they fought since 1938. That said Russian couldn't afford to fight there, they needed every single ounce of blood on the newly opened front where the germans advanced ruthlessly. Russia was barely in a position to win against Germany alone in 1941 but in 1942 it was more stable. But even then they needed desperatelly to allocate resources to the west.
>>743579363
And it is not the South who invaded, they were holding on to what they had and we assured it, hence: Victory (not rocket science)
>>743579394
you forgot the part where American air forces completely paralyze the Korean military while special forces raid any point of significance right after said point was hit directly with missiles like they did the airport in Syria.
>>743579525
is that all you have? Your opinion is discarded, thank you.

>>743568488
Well, you could look at it and say we put hundreds of billions more dollars into our systems than them for decades so we'll win.

of course, you'd have to be a child to make such a shortsighted presumption, but, you could.

>>743579692
you're welcome

>>743579394
Samefag here.

People need to realize that the information era will prevent long term international conflict.

Due to the connection of 'citizens' and not 'political leaders' and the social network between. It is more beneficial to just 'deal' with other nations rather than crush them.

The population for any major nation is far too large to be sustained with closed borders as well.
(NK is a shining example)
Russia and Europe would starve, the US wouldn't but our oil reserves would perish.

Importation and Exportation are the new proxy conflicts. Don't like a country? Deny them your exported resources. Done.
Cheaper, easier, and more effective.

>>743573231
back to /x/

>>743569340
Over the last 15 years, since the US showed off its intel on Afghanistan & Irag after 9/11, they've gone deep underground with their infrastructure, hiding their weapons programs, and everything else they're doing. When there is a war, they'll move the kids, and the rest if the population, into the tunnel systems. They fully expect nuclear retaliation, so getting the population in place will happen first.

They've had a long time to plan and build their small country as a tailor-made enemy to the US.

>>743580268
aw a lil baby shill

>>743580426
You forget how low their available resources are.
You drop 100k troops at the de-militarized zone, and cripple their military with air superiority. It's over. Push north, expect low resistance.
(Same during the Korean war, but this time China and Russia wont give a shit.)

>>743579692
>And it is not the South who invaded, they were holding on to what they had and we assured it, hence: Victory (not rocket science)

-have half the country
-take over other half
-give it back
Victory? I don't think so.

>>743568710

Obviously I'm a bit late but
>US nukes Hiroshima
>days pass Japan does nothing
>US nukes Nagasaki
>days pass Japan does nothing
>Russia declares war on Japan and starts moving troops East
>Japan surrenders in hours

But yeah, it was the nukes that made them surrender, totally. Why would all your teachers lie to you? The government wouldn't lie, would it? No,it was in movies and on the TV, it must be true.

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>>743568488
You seem to be lost. Hope this helps.
>>>/pol/

>>743580426
>tfw you have to build and two countries, one on the surface and the more important one underground

Like the best James Bond villain ever

>>743579989
>Importation and Exportation are the new proxy conflicts. Don't like a country? Deny them your exported resources. Done.
>Cheaper, easier, and more effective.
With a global economy it's not that easy. How do you think NK has lasted all these years? Someone somewhere will always be willing to make a buck supplying something to someone else.

>>743580726
once again survival was the goal you absolute retard

>>743580671
>You forget
No I don't.

Here's how your rosy scenario actually plays out:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/10/war-with-north-korea-would-be-hell-and-aftermath-even-worse.html

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>>743568488
you forgot the recent war in mali. when USA pussied out helping the french army to fuck over the boko-haram islamists in center africa.

so we did it on our own.

>>743580737
Russia started moving east the same day the second bomb was dropped. And by "east" I mean into China, not Japan.

>>743580841
thanks for the ad hominem attack.

You can't call it a victory when you give back half a country.

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>>743568488
tell me mr anderson what good is the world's most expensive army when your masters don't want you to win?

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>>743568995

>>743581180
Nevertheless, most historians now agree (including the most prominent American and Japanese historians specialising in US/Soviet/Japanese relations in the post war period) that the Russian invasion of Manchuria and not the atomic bombs was the primary catalyst for the unconditional surrender of Japan.

>>743581336
Yes you can, especially if giving back what you never intended to have get's the entire chinese army off your back and you get to go back to the status quo which is what you were fighting for. And no problem dumbass you earned it.

>>743571368
Hahahaha

>>743580753
That's referring to people shitposting in /pol/

/b/ is a shitposting board you fuckimg retard

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>>743579394
What is china. What is the whole east asian regional affairs.

Nigu, if you attack the DRPK, China will butt in because they will see that as a preamble of you breaking the single china agreement.

Maybe you can kick the DRPK. Maybe you can appease the chinese enough so they dont whip your ass too much. But then your economy is fucking toast because it depends largely in the east asian imports.

You know it, Democrats know it, Republicans know it, nobody will fucking move and yet you're still boasting. Typical amerifuck

>>743568800
you don't mind if you're now refered to as idiot of the fucking year right

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>>743568488
this is the only reason why there is conflict. the jews dont like nk delivering resources as it upsets their power balance

>>743568885
My asshole running tight.

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>>743581168

>>743582758
he's not wrong...

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>>743570975
nigger.

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>>743582749
i think it's pretty likely that all of NK is a giant secret military base controlled by all the former confucian states
all their limp military posing and goofy missile tests are a smokescreen for the enormous underground hangars full of cutting-edge battle robots

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>>743571344

>>743582749
China won't butt in. They are dying for a "legitimate" reason to drop North Korea. North Korea just adds uncertainty to the region.

>>743568800
Maybe you should read a more modern take on the east front, and stop referring to biased BBC and history channel

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>>743583355
i mean all our information about them being poor and shitty comes from ultimately unreliable sources.
we know the tours they give are pretty staged, but who says they're staged to make it look better instead of worse? that whole story from the original "hidden camera" thing about the empty hotel hall full of food with nobody eating it is suspicious as hell, nobody is that stupid. and missiles are seriously not this hard.

why not a super double reverse potempkin?

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>>743573110
Do you even fucking know the use betrayed the axis forces. the whole of europe capitulated as non of the military leaders wanted the communists.

england and america broke their pact with the axis to fight communism.

this happened because of the judea war.

events in switzerland led to england and america pulling out


the boycotting of japan pulled them in a war with america

>>743582580
>can't read
>Keep /pol/ in /pol/

>>743581840
>Nuked to fuck twice
>Moral gone
>Russians coming in to finish it
>Surrendered
It's almost as if the succession of events made them surrender.

>>743580791
Oh shit, I hadn't thought of that. That's got some weird implications. Everything you see above ground in NK is sacrificial when you know it's going to get destroyed, and its only real purpose is essentially temporary or for show. You'd want to work out your light pipes and agricultural systems for underground food production... just as the US and Russia also did in the 1960s, and everything else about long-term bunker living. It'd be a real shame if we stormed in there and found they hadn't really done any of that, but just essentially got the nuke and self-destructed as a civilization, as many ppl predicted countries would.

The real risk is the possibility of a bioweapon trap, which makes their ability to retreat underground even more complicated in terms of a war. To fight them, you'd have to go in on foot after them, exposing your forces to whatever they've dispersed in their soil & air, that they may have immunized the,selves of. This has been the general concern of biowarfare since its pursuit in the 80s, but the world hasen't had a rogue nation potentially willing & desperate enough to try it. If I'm NK, going up against the Goliath if the US, that's an all-or-nothing gambit, and if I'm to the point of actually attacking US forces, then every option is utilized, bc it makes no sense to leave anything on the table.

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>>743573801
and jews were allowed to leave, they even got free transport.
only a few stayed whom stayed in camps during the war.
just like the japs were held in america.

the reason was that the jews were at war with germany and they did not know who could be trusted

>>743568859
If this is supposed to be a YLYL thread, then yep, we've lost.

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>>743574779
and now there are basically nothing but arab rape babies running around

>>743583711
Orly?

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>fat gook threatens to bomb guam
>trump threatens war if they do
>fat gook says hes gonna "waits a little longer"


40 keks

>>743568488
>10 million soldiers

wat

it wont be a win lose thing, n korea will get destroyed by us and in the process they will have their sleeper cell people release some fucked up biochemical war fare into the public of the united states. they know they wont win but theyll do anything they can do destroy as much of america as they can, and dirty little biochem warfare is how they will go about it

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>>743583835
Serves the Serbs right. That's what you get for starting the war you asshats.

>>743569197

This is what you can do when your country contains zero percent niggers. That's 0.00%.

Dennis Rodman visiting once every three years doesn't count.

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>>743568488
>10 million soldiers and 100 nukes

your numbers are a bit off there pal

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>>743578526
america is ruled by jews you dumb cunt

>>743583861
I wouldn't laugh too hard, that's been the US presidents rhetoric too, without even having the balls to fire off that completely insane shot over the bow they just did.

>>743570916
How long did it take for USA to finish the bomb?

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>>743580753
keep porn in adult
4chan is going to shit because of the PC mods and or janitors

>>743584021
>russia then al queda then isis now NK
which of these has ever actually affected you in your safe first world home?

enjoy living in fear, turn off your TV for once

>>743569626
because the only real ability the United States Army is shrapnel and all over the floor. Past the lucrative almost there logic they're not equipped with the smartest personnel, mostly broke blacks and southern yokels. The other guy is usually fighting a cause.

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>>743584132
did you actually make that picture

go outside dude

>>743583962
Yeah that article anon linked above has the #'s in it.

But did you fuckers see India's numbers? The possibility of a war between those two makes all this look like a fucking joke.

Indians got a 1.3 million soldier army, BUT, that's just Active. They've also got 21 million reservists trained and equipped. 21 Million!!! That country right there, is the sleeping giant. Let's just be glad it's still mostly Hindu and not under Islam.

>>743584159
Reply to the wrong post?

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>>743568488
Don't forget the war of 1812
>Canada beat the US with 1 man for every 27 men the US had.
FUCK YEA! CANADA

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>>743583711
>>743581840
japan already surrendered before any of the bombs were droped.
the communications were ignored, just like the sightings of the jap fleet by pearl harbor.

if anything the bombs got dropped to stop the russians from doing a land grap.
it was also to kill of the Christian uprising in japan.

the jew always plays a multi angle game, gaining from more then one side

>>743569966
You litteral fucking faggot. Einstein=Jew but I'm sure the Germans were totally cool about that, right?

>>743581180
*russia started moving east in american trucks and on american trains with american destroyers protecting their sea lanes from the lend lease program

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>>743583687
Who gets to decide what is politically incorrect?
trump is president, get your faggotry cunt ass to pol. your opinion is not correct nor politically correct

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>>743583934
>>743583934
>That's what you get for starting the war
how fucking delusional are you, you voted for macron did you not

>>743584159
>Which affected you?

I enlisted in the AF august of 2001, so so far, all three.

>>743577817
Your pic is an outdated image of an F-14, which the US Navy retired over a decade ago.

>>743584277
>just be glad it's still mostly Hindu and not under Islam.
that wont last for long, the west has pretty much fallen and is under islamic rule. the borders are flooded with arabs.
with the poor regulations and administration this flood of ppl wil take over in 2 generations

why do you think they build a wal around that one place

>>743584459
Tell the class who kicked off WWI, mr Wizard.

>>743584132
you're right, /b/ is controlled by leftist trash to normalize their SJW agenda.
Most Trap threads are generated by bots, archive 3 different trap threads and look at the similar, regurgitated replies over and over and over.
>got any more of _____?
>wow who is this?
>what do you guys think of _____?
and then you have the typical bait "you mad white bois" threads which is a group of /pol/ faggots and stormfront Nazis trying to raise anger and hate against blacks among white people.

This board is a fucking keyboard war on your mind, sometimes I wonder if anything is real anymore lmao

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>>743568488
10 million "soldiers"
100 "nukes"

>>743584574
police jews burning down German border towns out of revenge of the deportations

>>743584549
>Fox News, "reporting" in.

>>743584617
polish

Yea you will probably lose because america is shit, i will be happy when you all get nuked to shit

>>743584514

>air force
>works on planes all day and thinks hes in the shitter like army and marines
unless you're a pilot thats some pretty shit b8 m8

also when have you fought Russians?

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>>743584132
>complaining about 4chan mods
>on 4chan

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>>743584617
lol

Fucking Serbia

>>743584661
lol
Good sleuthing anon.

>>743584823
lol

>>743584842
lol
Faggots

>>743584866
Lol

Cunts

>>743568800

You actually remind people of this daily????

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>>743570692
actually kek'ed

>>743584459
>that picture
i guess theres a reason why Algérie is spelt with an é. who would have thought that annexing a nigger country does not only make that nigger country more white, but also your country more nigger.
what are people really complaining about here?

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>>743568488
NORK/CHINK please, you don't stand a chance.

>>743584907
lol

Fucking cats.

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ITT: People who dont know shit about history use their bias opinions to fill in the gaps

Which is ironic because these are the same people who call Americans ignorant. Honestly though its fine, i couldnt tell you every major detail about French or British history. I just get annoyed when these people are so blatantly anti-American.. or trolls.

>>743568903

I'm a Bokonanist, you fag. Get with the program.

>>743568757
well the arguments ins ukraine and georgia were provoked by us to keep russian occupied while they bomb civivs in the middle east and install isis

>>743571136
"For no reason"
>Implying

>>743584955
kek tractors
and those missiles aren't even armed
look what pussies they are

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>>743584955
>anti aircraft missiles pulled by fucking farm tractors
>the seats are right in front where the missiles fire off

yeah Im not too worried

>>743584661
You literally were on the right track and then you fucked it all up.

Aircraft MX is probably the shittiest job in the AF besides security forces. Dont compare it to other normal AF jobs, but yeah still not bad as being a Marine or soldier.

>>743572980
Ssh bby is ok ;)

>>743570513
> /threading your own post

>>743584964
aaand what makes you think we're not Americans like the rest of this site?

Not everyone is enamored with the long list of extremely expensive war failures of this country.

>>743584393
"Lend lease really helped russia" muh superior shermans

Only good think was the studybaker truck but rest no

>>743585133
Called it:
>>743585143

>>743585191
Yeah I didn't say what I did or where I did it. Apparently I don't have to; anon just makes up his version of the person he's talking to as he goes along. Other people aren't really necessary in his monologue.

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>>743584764
(((assassination)))

stop using wiki as a source its garbage and falsified in many cases

>>743584955
What farmsimulator mod is that?
And is it integrable with flight simulator?

>>743580737
This theory is superior

>>743568757
Fake newd

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>>743584598
>and then you have the typical bait "you mad white bois" threads which is a group of /pol/ faggots and stormfront Nazis trying to raise anger and hate against blacks
you are wrong on that one buddy

>>743584620
Islam is the second largest religion in India, with 14.2% of the country's population or roughly 172 million people identifying as adherents of Islam

they grow at a rate of 80% every decade the only thing that can stop the islamic advance is extreme poverty.
but they are supported by the oil from arabia
the hindus are not.
the hindus will be taken over by poverty and the muslims will be able to buy them out.

i think it is called ummah

>>743585263
you'll note, I didn't say anything about tanks-
It was trucks and trains. and destroyers.
But logistics and transportation win as many wars as tanks do.

>rocket flies over japan
>broke into pieces
>'mericans shit themselfs

>>743584724
So you are a faggot, who just does what hes told despite being fucked in the ass.
you have no cogent thought on the worlds state around you and you dont aspire to look out in to this world and change it to improve it.
gotcha

you are not human you are a beast of the land, go back to your grassing

>>743585969
explain instead of just saying you are wrong

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>>743584951

RACE MIXING AND WHY IT'S BAD
------

http://msu.edu/~renn/RHE-_mixed_race.pdf
http://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html
http://sociobiologicalmusings.blogspot.ca/2011/10/problems-with-mixed-race-marriages-and.html
http://nature.com/scitable/topicpage/haldane-s-rule-the-heterogametic-sex-1144
https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/alon_ziv_on_race_mixing/

http://www.dailystormer.com/transplant-organs-do-not-exist-for-race-mixed-persons/
The unspoken problems of race mixing.


IQ of offspring shifts towards the average for the race.
http://humanvarieties.org/2013/04/18/iq-regression-to-the-mean-the-genetic-prediction-vindicated/
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BMXVZzvLXz8C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Certain genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa.
http://www.amren.com/news/2006/06/scientists_stud/

Environment accounts for little or none of the USA racial IQ gap:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

In academic standardized testing , the wealthiest Black children underperform all but the poorest White children and just barely outperform even them.
http://www.jbhe.com/latest/index012209_p.html

Even when IQ is controlled for, Blacks display higher measurements of psychopathic personality than Whites:

http://www.amren.com/news/2008/08/race_and_psycho/

Violent crime correlates more tightly with race than with wealth or population density:
http://www.ronunz.org/2013/07/20/race-and-crime-in-america/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-dangerous-states-in-the-u-s.html

Race is also more tightly correlated to homicide rate
http://www1.udel.edu/soc/faculty/parker/SOCI836_S08_files/Landetal_AJS90.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

>>743586331
nobody over here except lefties are shitting themselves

and theyre commies not american so

>>743585133
dude even their tractors are weaponized

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>>743568859
Soon

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>>743585143
so you think they would stand around the thing, instead of deploying it and stepping back to operate the missiles remotely?

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>>743586362
you are wrong

>>743586634
>actually praising north korea

why don't you step out of mommy and daddys rich suburban house and live in North Korea if you love it so much. I'm sure you'll like it there.

>>743586711
typical leftist cuck

>NOPE WRONG I CANT HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA

>>743568488
No, America will definitely lose. All the money in the world and no sense to use it right. Flat out, we're governed by idiots with preposterously narrow perceptions. No military, no matter how well, well funded, or well supplied could be successful with such incompetent leadership.

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>>743586634
I like how you completely dodged the fact he pointed it that they are pulled
by
fucking
tractors

>pic related, South Korean anti aircraft

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>>743586747
>implying that i agree with the civil policies of letting the weak that cant fend for them self starve

>>743569448
You are such a dumb shitskin cunt it's hurting my brain fucking kys

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>>743587011
nice damage control, commie

>>743569872
American education system right here lads. Can't even use google. Standardized tests were too much for you wasn't it.

>>743587007
lol, you are so stupid, the nk missiles you see on the picture are not aa they are ground to ground

it doesnt matters what pulls the weapon system.
https://youtu.be/v71eF8HdZb8

having those tractor units enables them to militarize their farm equipment to have more striking force
its really just a high dps build in gaming terms, looks silly but it works

>>743568600
The relentless aerial bombardment of German cities and factories and the destruction of he Luftwaffe by the USAAF and the RAF doomed Germany. The Soviets would have lost the war otherwise. Dumb uneducated cunt (You)

>>743568488
Ok anon now turn off your retard switch and remember how many times american soil has been able to get attacked compared to all other enemies we faced

>>743587131
just ignore the fact that nk is one of the only few countries not controlled by the jew you filthy brainwashed globalist
>implies that people are a commie like the dogmatic cunt that you are

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>>743587313
Jesus Fucking H Christ you are dumb, the bombing of european cities did not happened until later in the war

>>743587412
Yes praise commie North Korea while you sit in mommy and daddy's nice air conditioned capitalist home on your 1200 dollar PC.

>SJW filth detected

you make me fucking sick

>>743585622
Yeah the assassination of the Archduke by Serbian Nationalists didn't start WW1. That's a Jewish conspiracy, right?

Fuckin tard

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>>743587323

>>743568859
How longs that cigarette

>>743587307
>having those tractor units enables them to militarize their farm equipment to have more striking force
its really just a high dps build in gaming terms

you've been playing WAY too much civ

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>>743587517
You must be a Trumpkin. Uneducated as fuck.

>>743587600
>implying a fallacy.
the political discourse after the assassination caused the war.
the loss of the heir caused Austria Hungary to fall apart.

can you prove who did the assassination? can you exclude the jews? did the jews benefit from this?

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>>743587742
wtf, john is this you?
there are not many others on this planet that can be this stupid and filled with this nonsensical implications

the jew chink mix is just guaranteed insanity isnt it

>>743568710
Russia did more damage to Japan than anyone else.

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>>743568488

>>743586400
Wow dude I'm mixed race and completely fine.