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>>743555149
>libertarian communism
how does that work?

>>743555317
Not all communism is Stalinism, anon

>>743555399
i still stand unanswered; explain how you can be libertarian and communist at the same time

>>743555534
Communism-No hierarchies
Libertarian- No concentration of power
That's what I roll by at least, I can guarantee you use different definitions, which is where my first response comes in.

>>743555385
my nigga

>>743555647
how is this enforced tho?
communism disregards human interest and thats why it fails and requires a large state to enforce, which kills the libertarian argument.

>>743555647
>Libertarianism: limited state intervention
>Communism: all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
How will the "communism" part be enforced?

>>743555863
It's not enforced, that's just the thing. Communism, despite the last few decades doesn't automatically equal police state.

>>743555534
eliminated hierarchies with public ownership of industry. the bottom left quadrant of the political compass. taken to the extreme, anarcho-communism.

>>743555923
I'm >>743555992
btw
The whole wage system that exists in capitalism plus a literal interpretation of Marx doesn't really fit what I believe to be honest, its just a label, after all.

>>743556067
define: "public ownership"
how is this stable without a heavy handed central power enforcing it?

>>743556175
easy, the people who use it, decide how its used, who gets it etc.
It's the whole corporate structuring that "steals labor" that doesn't really sit with me.

>>743556175
it does require people to want the system. in a less extreme version than anarchocommunism, things like hospitals and power plants are operated by the government for the good of all. enforcement wouldn't really be needed besides stuff like police to prevent armed takeover of the power plants and shit

>>743556341
steals labor? you mean the labor thats done under an agreed contract between the worker and the owner?

>>743556341
so how do such industries start and promulgate?
if a few people start an industry, and more people work at it if it becomes successful.. do they have less say, even tho they started it from the beginning with their own capital? because that hardly sounds fair.

>>743556412
Socialism doesn't really see it as an agreement between the owner/worker, but rather that of worker/society, that you either accept that your labor is stolen, or you starve to death.

>>743556508
No, they decide who works there, and if they need managers, they can vote on who they want, and even then, haggle with the managers for the managers wages, rather than the decision being top-down.

>>743555472
oh theres the nazi

>>743556508
why would a few people need to amass large amounts of capital to start an enterprise? you're still thinking capitalism get you brain outside that box.

>>743556523
how exactly is the labor "stolen"?

>>743556630
>fundamentalism is national socialism
off yourself you fucking retard

>>743556654
dey durk ur durbs!!!!

>>743556645
so the money just comes out of thin air?
you start a company with nothing? really??? what economics is this?
math is math dude.

>>743556654
surplus value, as more money is moved up the hierarchy, the people at the bottom get less and less.
It's an efficient machine, sure, but labor exists independently of capital, but not the other way around.

>>743556615
what incentive is there for anyone to start anything then?
if i get the same as everyone else, even tho i bust my ass to get it going.. why bother?

>>743555317
anarchy anon, learn politics

>>743556775
Because you get to decide who you share it with, and if you want a bigger cut, your organization can vote on it. Obviously if you're pulling you're weight, you're going to get more. If you aren't, and your fellow workers get greedy and lazy, their organization will fail.
This is where a lot of communists would say I'm not a communist, but I believe socialism can exist WITH market forces, rather than a needs/gift economy.

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>>743556906
We need to socialize as much as possible before the majority of jobs are more profitable using automation. If not the common man is fucked.

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=62.2&d=61.2&g=58.1&s=68.3

>>743557148
That's the scary part of the future, if this level of rampant capitalism continues, then the rich won't even need the poor anymore.

>>743557178
>not knowing how to screencap

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>>743555149
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>>743557178

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What does it mean?

>>743557263
Unless universal income is put in place they won't even have a market and we'll all go down. It'll either be the modern equivalent of sharecropping or a communist uprising.

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libertarian

>>743557463
I don't really agree with UBI, or any welfare for that matter, as a weird-sort of socialist.

>>743557385
it means you believe in Social Liberlism. Ie you probably voted Sanders

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That was fun thanks op! Back to masturbating

>>743557564
Until now it's been a waste of money save for single parents as supplementary income. It'll be a necessity when the majority of the public doesn't have jobs

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>>743557162
Whaddup

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Fashy goy here.

>>743557673
I wanna say its time to start with the socialism, but it has a horrible stigma, the capitalists are in control, most socialists are embarrassing humans, and most workers still think it means they have to share their toothbrushes. It's depressing, and its often what leads to radicalization.

>>743557735
REEEEEEEEEEE FASCISTS GET THE FUCK OFF MY STREETS

IF I SEE YOU IRL WE ARE FIGHTING ON-SIGHT

>>743555472
What a try hard

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>>743557735
>78% traditional

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>>743557385
>>743557162
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>>743555149
>not having over 40% for market

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Just leave my shit alone and iam good.

>>743557877
Questions were pretty vague on their implications. Had I had specific examples it would probably be higher

>>743554414
Apparently I'm a pretty solid centrist, with a very slight favoring of nation over world (slightly right) and progress over tradition (slightly left).

... So yeah, strong Centrist.

>>743557911
Oh no boy you're getting your shit destroyed.

>FIRST OFF

72% in M A R K E T?????

You're a degenerate.

>>743557953
post it

>>743557953
>no conviction
>pushover beta male

>>743557999
Gouvernment can do exactly one thing : fuck shit up beyond repair.

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>>743557439
My man

>>743557816
You're on, commie-boy.

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>>743554414

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>>743557439
It's a pleasure to meet you fine sirs.

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What up my needs-case-by-case-assessment-to-accurately-evaluate-the-best-approach centrists?

I hope ill live to see the day people abandon gouvernments and actually try to live in a free society without someone deciding over their heads.
Whenever i speak to people about democracy they believe they are able to make better decisions than the people around them. Why put someone above you then? Just decide for yourselfs.

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>>743558328
One that made me hesitate was "Should taxes be increased on the rich to provide for the poor?"

I think taxes should be increased on the rich, but not specifically to provide for the poor. Rather, to support poorly funded federal programs that I personally value, like nature conservation.

>>743558477
While I trust my particular circle, I don't necessarily trust someone else's particular circle. In a self-governing system, the system with the most power (people, technology, tactics) has authority. In an overhead system, my circle might not be able to rise above others, but the circle that I actively distrust can't have authority over mine even if they have the means to overpower me.

I just did a google search of socialism libertarian and I found out it meant left libertarian, WHICH also includes anarchism.

Which I'm already fully aware of. Cool.

This quiz thing is accurate. Bash the fash I smash female ass!

>>743558622
Yeah the questions and wording were shit

>>743558800
>I smash female ass!
WTF KKK EVIL NAZI RACIST SEXIST MYSOGYNIST FASCIST

>>743558945
Accurate.

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>>743559002
>85% capitalism


Holy shit, how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>743557495
literal fucking trash

>>743554414
trump pls go

>>743555472
trump pls go

>>743559159
not enough

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This is what I actually got.

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I usually get centrist results, but went pretty NatSoc on this one (for me)

>>743559583
Are you the Pope?

>>743558307
I don't have a pic but this is extremely close to my results

>this entire thread is full of cancer

>>743558586
Not a communist so i seem fine.

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>>743554414

>>743561115
>81.7% progress
>61.2% world
trash

>>743555992
>in theory

>>743556429
found the sound cunt

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>>743554414
Well
Fuck
How should I kill myself, anons?

>>743556906
its called a co-op there good regionally but eventually get to a point where they cant grow due to lack of investment and stagnate

>>743557148
thats what he gets for being common

>>743561695
>44.5% Market
>44.1% Nation
>42.7% Authority
>34.8% Tradition
hang yourself

>>743557463
services will always be a thing

>>743557673
>necessity

why solve the knot when you can cut the knot
kill the poor

>>743558054
>stubborn
>naive, arrogant ,sheep

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This doesn't tell me anything.

>>743558477
people are stupid anon, your stupid, im stupid. we just convince yourself otherwise. people are only really good at one or two things and arrogant idiots in all the others.

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>>743561437
You have a problem with me wanting humans to advance as a species and cooperate? That's the sole element that makes us stronger, if we don't cooperate we lose the benefit of specialization. The technology you are using is the culmination of decades of individuals work. Nobody knows how to "make" a computer, there are hundreds of people with different specialties working to manufacture it. If you don't support progress then you're a lost cause and will never achieve anything of lasting worth. Who will remember you 100 years after you die? Nobody, but people remember Edison, Faraday, Einstein etc because they helped human achievement

>>743559583
>Genghis khan has entered

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sozialistische weltrepublik!

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>>743554414

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Does this make me a libertard?

>>743562189
>genghis khan
>100% pro market
huh

>>743562432
you're closer to being libertarian than neo-liberal, so youre not as faggy
but yer still a fag

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>>743554414
filename

>>743562543
Socialist scumbag.

to have extremely free markets is a fools errand, we will have a ton more of 2008 crises'. Read the book "23 things they don't tell you about capitalism"

>>743562629
>what is crony capitalism

>>743562573
>Implying socialism doesn't work a million times better than capitalism

>>743554414
Are these questions written by a 15yo?

>>743562894
it is only logical you retard, having basic questions to determine a greater picture, you wanted to write an essay?

>>743562816
yep.

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Whom else right wing populist? And how does this differ from libertarianism?

>>743555317
The term libertarianism was originally associated with leftist anarchism

>>743562966
That makes you an idiot

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>>743554414
this is me anon

>>743559583
christ.

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Guess I'm coming for your toothbrush.

>>743556341
Marx's theory of surplus value is based on the defunct Ricardian labor theory of value. The value of something isn't determined by the labor embodied within it, it's determined by the aggregate subjective valuations of all participants within said market.

Employers don't steal value from their workers, they can't without legal slavery. Even if they did pay them a wage that's below their output, some other firm would be strictly incentivized to offer a higher wage for the same output.

Employers allow employees to use their capital to create goods and then they both get rents that are extradeterministic. So, how exactly is this bad for workers who otherwise would not be able to access the market and capitalize on their labor?

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Does this mean I'm a faggot now or something?

>>743564365
The faggotest

>>743559583
>Reactionary
Are you a fucking ape?

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Too much faith in humanity

>>743564257
>pay a wage thats below their output
>see china 1$ an hour wage slavery for 16 hours a day and suicide nets

:thinking:

>>743562057
Might be i just like to suffer the consequences of my own mistakes a lot more than those of mistakes others made on my behalf.

>>743565328
Ask yourself why that is. Why does an engineer earn more than a Cleaner? Because he can demand more since there is less supply of engineers than there is of people able to clean a toilette.

If you suck at your job or are easily replaced by someone else you are pretty much fucked in every system.

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"Yes Man" ending

>>743556067
The moment you have a division of labor and specialization there will be a hierarchy.

The top three, there's room for intelligent disagreement.

If you're more than 20% Tradition, you're a fucktard, and why are you on a place like 4chan?

>>743565491
what does that have to do with outsourcing factory jobs

>>743556508
>thinks capital is somehow more valuable than other things...

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>2017
>Not believing en equally shared wealth
>Not believing in equality beyond borders
>Still sucking up to the "market"
>Still believing in backwater traditions

>>743554414

You can be capitalist and still want equality. The equal right to pursue good ideas. Free Markets not Monopolies who hide behind patents.

You can be a nationalist who believes that borders allow for isolation of new ideas (like the USA) which benefits the whole world.

You can believe in liberty through law. Some laws prevents others from taking your liberty.

And you can hold traditional values like peer-review is a good way to do science (despite being less and less common and more and more fraudulent), while still wanting to progress.

This test is garbage, intended only to keep you from the truth

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>>743554414
I've learned something about myself

Y'know what? Deep down, I always knew.

SHADIFUCKINLAYYYYY

>>743565904
Holy shit. You went through the whole thing and cherrypicked your answers just to troll some strangers?

4/10 didn't fall for it but I can appreciate the craftsmanship.

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>>743554414

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What up cuckbois

>>743563588
Why do you have two numbered 3g indicators? Explain plox

>>743566370
>>743566450

Fuckin leftard normie trash leave!!!

RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>743566364
I took this test a while ago, kept the picture and now i reuploaded it. I do stand by this 100%

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>>743565947
a lot of the questions sound super skewed to me, false equivalence and poorly worded questions using words like rights and equality.
the quiz seems to be left lean biased to me.

>>743566538
I noticed that.

((Who)) designed it, I wonder...

>>743565842
Ask yourself why someone would outsource a factory job. Exactly taxes and cost of manufacturing the product. Thank the state not the privatier.

>>743566538
also what's the difference between neo-liberal and classical liberal in this context?

>>743566517
Have you ever stabbed a horse, jumped a trashcan with a mob and kicked the fuck outta it for no reason, burned a starbucks, taken a teargas canister to the sack or been curbstomped by nationalists? You'd have to be Antifa: the person to get those scores.

Bash the fash lately?

>>743566538
Yes some of the questions imply there is only one political viewpoint that can answer i agree.
I do believe everyone should have the best life possible and i am libertarian, yet the test would count i agree as me being left winged.

Being left wing is like using meth responsibly, one slip and you've gone insane.