So, I've kinda been catching up on what's been going

You're forgetting the part where they're just as retarded as the "alt-right" and both should be put on an island somewhere to duke it out for our entertainment.

>>742961691
Tbh I think all statists are retarded to some degree but the left is a whole other degree of retarded in the way they approach things. At least the alt-right knows its retarded and kinda embraces that fact and uses its retardation in an effective manner that has some comedy attached to it, as opposed to the left which is basically just mindless autistic screeching.

>>742961599
they're controlled opposition paid by the elites to either bring further attention towards movements, or to distract from more important matters at hand.

>notice all the reporters asking trump racial tension questions rather than genuine questions about the bill to streamline highways safely
the whole thing is just fake and gay.

>>742961837
Yeah I agree with this as well. I think certain unseen forces are pushing the divide to destabilise the US because of the general role it plays in the grand scheme of things.

Whether you like America or not, it's culture is pretty much the only culture that puts a massive emphasis on liberty.

Remove that, and you pretty much pave the way for a global order because there will be no examples for people to look to for an alternative. And this is why America has been demonised for so long.

God you're all so stupid

>>742961599
Antifa supports everything wrong,basically they are extreme version of SJW's.

>>742963144
Care to explain why exactly?

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>Antifa is basically a bunch of crazy people that have never been diagnosed, or medicated. they align themselves as "liberal" but act out in such extremes its clear that they are just a bunch of psychopaths, that have never been through real strife.
they give liberals a bad name, which i would suggest is by design.

>>742963639
literally. I have yet to find a liberal that I've been able to have a polite discussion with. they always resort to ad hominem attacks and demonise you when you question their authority kek.

>>742963806
to sum up liberalism and conservatism

>conservatism - "leave me alone"
>liberalism - "no"

that's the essence of it all.

Antifa are dumb trash used by the International Jewly to do dirty work for them.
Jewly doesn't wnat to get their hands dirty so they use retarded bots agaisnt their opposition.

To suggest antifa is some fake organisation that is paid for by someone else is just bullshit. Antifa is just a very loose federated collective of groups, they've been around basically since the Nazis started their shit.

>>742963639
>>742963806
Antifa are typically socialists and everyone to the left of them, liberals don't actually do shit lol

>>742963855
lol

>>742961599
no one is putting trump on the same level as hitler or mussolini but without a doubt he does display some characteristics of fascism

>>742964038
as usual no evidence for the big jewish conspiracy will ever be produced. stay deluded my nazi friend

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>>742961599
You are ignoring the Jewishness of their ideology. They financing and money comes from their boss Soros just like in the case of BLM
They are now even being promoted and shilled

>>742964155
I don't even blame the Jews. They would not have so much power without their sheep and useful goys.
Like Malaysian Prime Minister said in 2003..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36c1PTAya2U

>>742964161
why does no one actually believe that sometimes people are so pissed off at the shitty world that we live in that they would go out and protest? again, no proof has ever or will ever be found for this claim. you're just sticking your head in the sand because you don't understand the motivations of these people.

btw soros is a rich capitalist whereas antifa generally opposes capitalism. literally none of your theory makes sense.

>>742961764
>w-we're just pretending to be retarded bro
no theyre not. Alt right, far left, antifa or whatever the fuck else needs to be fucked in the ass with a cactus considering how asshurt they always are about something

>>742961599
>types literal wall of text
>still completely ignorant about the movement.

>>742964155
It's certainly possible. The whole "jews ruling over the goyim" thing is actually a thing. There are lots of jews who believe this. And it's a fact that jews pretty much run everything because they're at the head of pretty much all economic powerhouses and have the power to shift the sands whichever way they please. And there are many prominent jewish figures that have over time admitted that they're pushing for a global order where they're at the top. That they have a specific vision for the world where they rule and non-jews serve.

>>742964306
lol

ITT: dumbasses that think the corrupt rich would allow the oppressed to "vote" their power and wealth away.

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>Antifa sluts supporting bombing of Dresden that killed tens of thousands of civilians who were not even figthing in a war.

(((Who))) can make people so stupid and push them to do this? (((Who))) can turn this girls in to degenerate Antifa sluts that support war crimes of their fellow Europeans?

>>742964350
I find this ironic because you seem asshurt about the fact that people get asshurt over political stuff.

>>742964403
Enlighten me then anon? Ad hominem attacks don't really help. Maybe the problem is that I've not met a leftist who can genuinely explain what their movement is about and how it benefits me and the rest of society. Maybe you're the /b/ro for that job?

I hope Antifa wipe all of you trash.

>>742964553
>ad hominem attacks.

You typed a wall of ad homs you fucking dipshit.

>>742964477
no, it's not. the bourgeoisie controls the world. they tend to be white, there are obviously some jews among them too as well as a small amount of other races.

There is not one shred of real evidence for the Jewish conspiracy. It is the belief of nazis and white supremacists, pure and simple.

>>742961599
>>Antifa has no long-term plan. They're short-term thinkers that just want to create chaos and make it up as they go along. Using any means necessary to overthrow the current system.
>>Antifa is essentially comprised of angsty teenagers, and adults who never seemed to grow out of their angsty teenager phase. And they're simply venting that angst onto the system, overcompromising for their short-comings and projecting them onto this system blaming it for them. They are also abdicating their self-responsibility onto this system.
>>Antifa has absolutely no idea of what they're fighting for, or what they think they're fighting against.
>>Antifa has absolutely no idea of what oppression is. They think that they're oppressed while being actively able to band together en masse in public and protest their oppression (they're soooo oppressed).
>>Antifa claims to be fighting Nazi'ism / Fascism but clearly do not understand what these things are, because if we were under a Nazi / Fascist regime, they would be lined up and shot, made an example of so that the rest of their ilk gives up and fucks off. The simple fact that they can protest against these things as they are, means they are living in a FREE society that is open to pretty much all walks of life and all trains of thought.
Antifa is a last ditch effort for the Communists whom infiltrated the Democratic Party to be relevant. Since Trump is well on his way to purging socialist programs that Clinton and Obama have built up for the last two decades.

After the Cold War ended twenty five years ago, hundreds of disavowed Soviet agents could not return home or be killed. Many were given amnesty in the USA.

This is when the Democrats started to communist. If you look at the techniques of Antifa and how Bolsheviks took power, there are very strong parallels.

It will fail.

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>>742964321
It makes sense. Antifa are used to destabilize society and create chaos.

But ironically if Antifa WINS they would get killed, as Trump supporters control most of the guns in the USA.
Jews are pushing them in their own death, to be used for sacrifice

>>742964553
the movement is a general anti-authoritarian, anti-right wing one. it has existed since the nazis became a threat in Germany. they believe in direct action against states they see as too heavily oppressive.

fwiw most modern American antifa don't support hillary/obama/dems either.

>>742964514
well the majority of the states that fought against the nazis supported the bombing of dresden. The nazis did their best bombing britain too.

>>742964637
>no, it's not. the bourgeoisie controls the world. they tend to be white, there are obviously some jews among them too as well as a small amount of other races.
>There is not one shred of real evidence for the Jewish conspiracy. It is the belief of Nazis and white supremacists, pure and simple.
And communists. As said, "With capitalism, a man exploits another man. In Soviet Russian, it is the other way around."

>>742964556
>All you trash.
Who are you talking about anon?

>>742964619
No I didn't. I posted things I've observed in the behaviours of antifa protesters. Show me why I'm wrong and why what I've said is simply ad hominem bullshit?

>>742964760
>left / right dichotomy causes civil war in US
>casualties on both sides
>left / right killing each other on the daily in the streets
>Trump assassination attempt / success
>UN "peacekeepers" called in to quell the civil unrest
>UN takes over US after considering it a failed state
>goodbye constitution
>the commies win

>>742964760
but you will not find one shred of evidence for your claim. again, antifa has been around for almost 100 years, they have always been a grassroots organisation of pissed off antifascist left wing people.

>>742964726
this is so incredibly stupid. the democrats are an avowedly neoliberal capitalist party, who believe somewhat in social liberalism.

>socialism is the gubmint doing stuff

yeah, you're a fucking idiot mate

>>742964864
>No I didn't.

AND you don't even know what an ad hom is.

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>>742964760
>It makes sense. Antifa are used to destabilize society and create chaos.
>But ironically if Antifa WINS they would get killed, as Trump supporters control most of the guns in the USA.
There is the theory that Antifa is a op specificaly to expose the evil to the Democrats and rid them by right wing matilla. Trump's popularity has increased since these actions.

Most totalitarians scream wildly right before total capitulation. The Fall of Berlin is a textbook example of this. Hitler Youth and elderly WWI vets were all that was left alive to defend the city.

>>742964813
I half agree. I wouldn't say it's anti-authoritarian though. It just wants to flip the power differential and puts itself in the place of the authority.

>>742964831
incorrect, communists have a class based analysis of control and oppression, not race based

>>742964864
>Show me why I'm wrong

read up bro

>>742964952
the lack of basic understanding of communist principles in this thread is shocking. however it's sort of unsurprising from the country that gave us the red scare and mccarthyism.

Just to be clear, communists do not like the UN or the Democrats.

>>742964998
No, you clearly don't.

I was posting points about things I observed in the behavioural traits and patterns of the antifa movement.

For it to be ad hominem, I would have to be responding to an argument presented to me.

Since I am OP, there was no arguement presented to me before my post, because my post was the original post.

Your responses are ad hominem because you're responding to my points with attacks rather then counter-arguements.

ITT a bunch of incels who think they know about politics from reading shit in /b/

>>742964092
Actually antifa, if you're going to pretend it's the same, was started BEFORE Nazis were even a blip on the radar, and it's Antifa's clashing with right wingers in Germany's streets that prompted Hitler into forming his own political party.

THANK YOU ANTIFA FOR FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT!

Oh wait...

>>742965138
>implying there aren't different forms of communism, that communism is exactly the same across the board.

also, there are different communist factions that will obviously fighting amongst themselves because they want to come out on top. so some communists will not like the UN or democrats but then others will, and others will want to utilise democratic parties and the UN to fulfill their agenda. simple logic.

>>742965027
communism is anti-authoritarian (one of the hallmarks of full communism is no states) but some believe in authoritarian means to achieve this. however a lot of antifa are anarchists too who are wholly anti-authoritarian. I see your point though.

>>742965138
No shit. Commies don't like anyone who's not a commie.

Big knowledge drop there.

>>742965275
>communism is anti-authoritarian (one of the hallmarks of full communism is no states) but some believe in authoritarian means to achieve this. however a lot of antifa are anarchists too who are wholly anti-authoritarian. I see your point though.
Don't buy that bullshit. That form of government never works. You always need free markets and displacing leadership based on free elections. Socialism always leads to Communism that leads to death and suffering. Venezuela is a perfect example of this.

We have a decision to make as a country. Do we tack far left and head towards a thought controlled monarchy/oligarchy? Where people are divided up by race/gender/economic standard? Or do we tack far right and begin a slow yet steady decline towards a dictatorship?

Or do we as a nation decide that the state's become what they were supposed to be. A United nation of independent nation states that agreed to work together for their mutual benefit and security?

>>742965275
The thing is though, by definition communists believe in the state. The state is an authority. They can only really be anti-authority if they're full on anarchists. Because anarchists simply believe there should be no masters nor slaves. Even if they say they're anarcho-communists, they still believe in a state because they believe in collectivism based around a centralised regulatory system which is authoritarianism, something or someone dictating how the rest of us should behave. Rather than allowing society to self-regulate on the individual and collective level naturally.

If they were truly anti-authority, they'd be anarcho-capitalist. And have an emphasis on service to their local community via freedom of association rather than national or global collectivism under a centralised system that pushes for specific outcomes via specific stimuli. Which will always be the case with any form of communism.

And I mean, look at the left in general, the left wants to abdicate itself of its responsibilities towards society to the state. It believes the state should provide, rather than they should provide for themselves and help others to do the same. They want an authority to give them security, rather then secure themselves and their loved ones through their own works.

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>>742961599
>OP gets it

>>742965263
incorrect

"The first German movement to call itself Antifaschistische Aktion was proclaimed by the German Communist Party (KPD) in their newspaper Rote Fahne in 1932"

Nazis were a threat years before this.

Also this narrative that somehow the German far left facilitated hitler is such lies.

Yes, Nazism was a reaction of the moderately rich middle classes to the threat of working class communism, as they were worried about having their money taken away. But it was the centrists who allowed the enabling act to pass, and who allowed the Nazis free roam of the streets to display their strength and dominance and therefore attract votes at a time of crisis.

>>742965271
you're right about different types of communists, in fact the history of the far left is one of schisms. however the amount of communists who see the democrats as a viable tactic is very slim. and there are absolutely no communists or even socialists in any positions of power in the democrats. Even bernie is at most a social democrat.

and absolutely no one believes in the untenable and far fetched notion of somehow getting the UN to take over the US. It is simply so unrealistic that no one would support it

>>742965654
People once said the exact same thing about the EU though, that it was simply a trade union. Now look at it. It's gradually becoming totallitarian as fuck over time, even going as far as to go for an EU army, which many of its individual nation-states do not want.

Never say never /b/ro. NEVER RELAX.

>>742965559
Good point anon, I'm gonna steal this now, just wanted you to know

>>742965823
All good anon, I'll take it as a compliment. Thanks!

>>742965503
Wait. So Lenins plan was to install a monarchy?

>>742965559
>by definition communists believe in the state

no, full communism involves the absence of states (and money, and class). Full communism would not have "a centralised regulatory system". Socialism yeah possibly. Even then the state would be far smaller than it is now.

>something or someone dictating how the rest of us should behave

This exists under capitalism bro. Read about cultural hegemony

>If they were truly anti-authority, they'd be anarcho-capitalist

Capitalism is inherently authoritarian, with built in exploitation as a result of the profit motive. Whilst states are bad, they act as an important regulatory bulwark against capitalism right now. Without state regulation, a very small amount of extremely rich people would pay everyone else as little wages as they could get away with. Just look at Victorian Britain, with its classical liberal minimalist state: the vast majority lived in squalor. Communists don't like states but they hate capitalism even more, and rightly so. The state is merely a means to an end for them, that is abolishing capitalism and, finally, abolishing states.

The problem with anarchism is that someone, with the world as it currently is, will always take power. Being fully anti state as they are is obviously good but the real question is whether their tactic is viable for actually overthrowing capitalism and states. I think the answer is no as they run away from the reality that to change things, you must hold power.

>It believes the state should provide, rather than they should provide for themselves

The problem is that full employment is a myth that will never return due to automation. There will always be unemployed. The goal ultimately should be the reduction of labour so that people spend less time at work and have more leisure time. This cannot be done under a system in which we slave all day for a shit wage making money for someone we will never meet (the owners; the bourgeoisie) making products that no one needs

>>742965730
>People once said the exact same thing about the EU though, that it was simply a trade union. Now look at it. It's gradually becoming totallitarian as fuck over time, even going as far as to go for an EU army, which many of its individual nation-states do not want.
>Never say never /b/ro. NEVER RELAX.
Yup, the EU has evolved into a Forth Reich where unelected bureaucrats can overrule a country's elected officials. This is why Brexit happened and Trump was elected. If it wasn't for massive voter fraud in France, we would have Le Pen throwing out the Muslims.

>>742966376
>If it wasn't for massive voter fraud in France

thanks for making it clear from the beginning that your argument had... problems

>>742966105
Through the natural evolution of communism, I see it moving back into a monarchies direction over time. Even in communist regimes, there are party members, and those who are not party members. The party is interested in vacuuming up all the power, from food and property distribution to what is taught in school. With party members being preferentially treated for all material things. It's easy to see the beginnings of an aristocracy first with the party members and the rest of society, then after that within their own ranks. Ultimately leading to a monarchy after some sort of civil unrest between the parties members.

>>742966290
>Capitalism is inherently authoritarian, with built in exploitation as a result of the profit motive. Whilst states are bad, they act as an important regulatory bulwark against capitalism right now. Without state regulation, a very small amount of extremely rich people would pay everyone else as little wages as they could get away with. Just look at Victorian Britain, with its classical liberal minimalist state: the vast majority lived in squalor. Communists don't like states but they hate capitalism even more, and rightly so. The state is merely a means to an end for them, that is abolishing capitalism and, finally, abolishing states.
There will always be poor, there will always be rich and there will always be a middle class that just gets by. The distribution is a bell curve. Anything that tries to change the bell curve is oppressive.

Authoritative / socialist / anarchists governments always pop-up when there is a huge change in economics where the current ruling class is greatly threatened by displacement. They try to make the society "static" and unchanging so they stay at the top. This always fails. A free people do not was "free" government services such as health care and socially sound jobs. Just let the winners win, the losers lose and society evolves.

>>742961599
Antifa over hete in germany is mostly "antideutsch", that means they actually hate palestine and love israel.

>>742965881
It'll be signed /anonb/ if it ever gets around.

>simple nod to /b/ and anonymous.

>>742966290
>communism
ˈkɒmjʊnJz(ə)m/Submit
noun
a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

you don't think a centralised regulatory system aka a state would be necessary to run that social organisation? by definition the state is the system that regulates that social organisation. it does it by way of law, rules and regulation. socialism is just the lite form of communism. the more regulations and laws there are, the more to the left you go, until finally you get to communism where the state regulates pretty much micromanages everything for the sake of the "community."

And in response to your points about the state being an important regulatory bulwark against Capitalism. You do realise that the state works hand-in-hand with corporations to proliferate their power and influence over the world? We don't have capitalism, we have corporatism. The state and the corporations are one-in the same and ultimately contribute towards the same end-game which is ultimately the seizure of the means of production and distribution and the regulation of all aspects of society. And these corporations have only become so powerful through the aid of the state for this very reason. Under a true capitalist system based on service to others, not power over others through economic influence. This power differential wouldn't exist. The state is just as much part of the problem as the corporations are. And the root issue beyond that is greed.

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>>742965654
>and there are absolutely no communists or even socialists in any positions of power in the democrats

Nice try with the Big Lie.

>>742966376
Agreed.

I also thought Macron being voted in was a load of BS. There was literally no hype for him that I could see. Barely any public support, just media bullshit. Everyone was talking about Le Pen, how she was gonna save France etc. Then Macron won.

Especially dodgy that he essentially came outta nowhere as opposed to Le Pen who'd been around for ages.

>>742966663
Any chance you could tell me where you're going to post it? Obviously not if you give away your identity. It's cool if you can't tell me.

>>742961962
That's a scary thought. The basic problem is it's always about countries, not people. And there are very few free countries around the world. The U.N. works fine as a place for nations to air their grievances and talk, not as some kind of ideal. This dream of a united planet is always going to end with countries like Iran in charge of human rights, or China or Russia obstructing everything. Even the European Union, composed of free and democratic nations, lost that in the transition to a regional quasi-state. They're ruled by unelected and largely unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels, not elected representatives.

>>742963855
Not completely accurate.
But not completely inaccurate, either.

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>>742966290
How does it feel to be a sophomore in a mediocre college these days?

Antifa ist purely reactionary. They have no goals other than stopping fascism from spreading. Anything else is made up of misattributed.

>>742961962
>Whether you like America or not, it's culture is pretty much the only culture that puts a massive emphasis on liberty.
>Remove that, and you pretty much pave the way for a global order because there will be no examples for people to look to for an alternative. And this is why America has been demonised for so long.
This has been the globalist agenda since they lost WWII. Get America out of the way to the rest of the world folds into one big world government. Trump's election threw a monkey wrench into these plans. This why there are so many vocal and promoted protests that the vast majority of the people do not want. Trump's base is just getting stronger while the old cronies are getting squeezed and fighting back. History has shown that big bureaucrats do not leave easily. They mostly end up collapsing under their own weight taking everything with them into disarray. There are interesting times.

>>742966859
Agreed.

I firmly believe the entire world, every nation, needs to take upon itself a carbon copy of America's original constitutionalism. Because I believe that's pretty much the best system we can have.

The founding fathers seem to have seen the issues we have today coming, and set up the constitution to combat them effectively. So long as the American people genuinely believed in the constitution and understood what it was about.

But that being said. I don't think the constitution itself has any power. It's simply a document that highlights certain philosophical and moral principles under natural law. And I think more people need to become aware of those founding principles behind the constitution as opposed to just blindly believing in the constitution itself.

I think that's one of the biggest issues in the world today tbh. A lack of understanding of philosophical and moral principles.

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>>742963144

>>742964984
>this is so incredibly stupid. the democrats are an avowedly neoliberal capitalist party, who believe somewhat in social liberalism.
That is the party line. Look at their internal operations, after LBJ retired the whole place has gone communist.

>>742964726
>Since Trump is well on his way to purging socialist programs that Clinton and Obama have built up for the last two decades.
kek, no. Repeal became replace became do nothing.

>>742967134
Good to see we're on the same page /b/ro.

I'm still not sure about Trump though. I mean, the "globalists" if you will, all want the same endgame, the same end result, but they fight amongst themselves because they all want to be at the top. And I can't help but think that perhaps that's all the Trump presidency is. Him wanting to be at the top. Or at least, be as high as he possibly can be in the grand scheme of things. So he fucked over the other globalists to do so. And that's why they're so against him. He put a spanner in THEIR works, but not in the general globalist agenda.

>>742967134
imagine actually thinking this is true

>>742967037
And their definition of fascist is laughably insane. It seems anything left of Pol Pot is unacceptable to them

>>742961691
FPBP

Nobody can talk about them without first decrying the (((alt-right)))

>>742961599
you stupid nigger they just hate racist retard being in charge its not a movement its just a buzzword people use to make it seem like theyre victims

>>742964403
>literal wall

Helloooo Reddit!

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>>742967259
Trump is pretty much at the top.

Not sure who might be above him at the moment.

>>742967378
>you stupid nigger
>they just hate racist retards being in charge

kek, do you even think while you type /b/ro?

>>742967447
The jewish bankers?
The jesuit order?

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>>742967502
You seem pretty confused.

>>742967037
Not true. They have a very strong strain of anarcho-syndicalism, for instance. Though that's more prominent in Europe. The U.S. version is still vaguely socialist, tho.

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>>742966290
If any tactic is possible, if anything to obtain power is loable, then north korea could be the ultra liberal non state society in 500 years, so is that good to you?

People are no expendables resources, one injustice that is made justificable is the way to make a distopia. That why the right of a criminal who is found by ilegal spionage cannot be accepted in court under normal circunstances, and the last wall someone must carry the burden of the violence inherent to critical errors by others, (right is not a law concept is natual truth often not recognized in an adecuate manner but in generic formulas).

Holding power is expressing frustation to the others choices, some which are bad of course. So what it has to be done is communicate and search for the truth, "truth will make you free" if you can recognize the value of the things we should approach from each perspective the same valued thing.

>>742967447
Yup, a person who nobody respects and everybody laughs about is definitely at the top.

>>742967165
Except we're losing Constitutionalism in the U.S. This was harmed by the original (different from the modern) progressives, from Roosevelt 1 to Roosevelt 2, as they centralized federal power and ignored Amendment 9 and 10. And then Warren Court really destroyed the idea, by basically re-writing the Constitution. The Supreme Court are no longer arbiters but unelected would-be philosopher kings.

>>742961599
hahahahaahhaahh allow me to laugh some more hahahahaahah

I am ANTIFA. My friend at work is ANTIFA. My grandad is ANTIFA. The mom with etc etc

ANTIFA is not just the "black bloc" activists in the streets. ANTIFA is a moral position, which opposes fascism in any and all of its forms.
You (I presume you are leaning towards authoritarian far right/fascism) are so obsessed with the leader/follower structure, you can't even seem to imagine a true grassroots movement, build by individuals, acting together for a common cause. That is also the strength of us anti fascists. We are diverse, and organic. We will hide, regroup, restructure and adapt - and strike when we have to. Our ONLY goal is to stop fascism BEFORE it takes over. (A feature of fascists is they will claim the right to free speach etc, but as soon they come to power, they will deny everyone else those rights.)
Apart from all this, we are diverse and just normal fucking people with actual morals.

Fascists left unchecked will inevitably commit genocide.
Anti fascist left unchecked will play Pokemon Go and eat nutella
- as a wise person once put it.

Now, do your homework. Stop trying to be so fuckin edgy, thinking fascism or white pride, or whatever is cool. All y'all on /b/ would be deemed as degenerates sooner or later in a fascist regime, and sent to the furnaces like the rest of us. Realise that, and realise fascism is fuckin toxic. (Fun reading. Night of the long knives - the internal cleansing of the nazi part in Germany in the 30's. The story of Röhm, the SA leader, is particulary interesting - an open homosexual who was a close friend with Hitler, who was later jailed and executed for his homosexuality.)

>>742967872
Agreed. You need to go back to your roots man. Not just for your own sake but the sake of the world. You're literally the only example that can lead the rest of the world to overcome this bullshit.

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>>742967870
Sure thing. Plenty of people above President Trump.

>retard

>>742968003
You're right, plenty of people above retard Trump.

>>742967304
The "heroes" of the vague but passionate leftists are always telling. Che Guevara tortured and murdered political enemies on behalf of the state, but somehow he became this icon on a shirt.

>>742964161
every antifa activist i know just laughs at this whole "paid by Soros"-thing. everyone just does it out of free will, and nobody's getting paid. the drive is their moral opposition of fascism.

>>742967909
>You (I presume you are leaning towards authoritarian far right/fascism) are so obsessed with the leader/follower structure.

Wrong. I'm anarchist by nature, I don't believe in the master / slave dynamic at all. I believe in community. People with common interest working together for mutual benefit. And no that's not communism because communism has a centralised authority included, community doesn't.

But yeah your entire response is pretty much null and void because it was based on an incorrect assumption.

>>742968048
Funny how these people who oppose fascism out of moral obligation utilise the same tactics as fascists to fight fascists.

Kinda makes me think of when abusers in abusive relationships claim they were being abused and their abuse was self-defence. It's all bullshit projection.

>>742965138
nice to see a comrade posting

>>742966290
You're right about communism, and you're one of the few people I've seen on /b/ who actually uses "socialism" correctly.

But you're wrong about capitalism. Capitalism isn't just the unfettered market, it's also contingent on government regulation to, at the very minimum, enforce contracts, create a level playing ground, and managing things like externalities. If you subtract either, it's no longer capitalism.

>>742968048
I don't believe the Soros nonsense either, but Antifa doesn't know what the fuck "fascism" means.

>liberals
>so absolutely fartbox flabbergasted over Trump winning that they create gangs and riot and attack both white people, and white history
>all because their WHITE candidate lost
FUCKING WEW

>>742967909
Among other things, you seem to have confused "fascist" with "white nationalism".

>>742961599
Antifa started out with seemingly noble goals of shutting down Klan and Neo Nazi types and alt-righters that wanted to take us back to the 1950s in terms of civil rights.
Unfortunately, as it always happens, their movement was taken over by those who thought it was justified outlet for violent rage.
Just to be fair, the same thing has happened on the other side, where the right protests something (removal of a statue) and the Klans and Nazi show up.

>>742968419
Is there any real continuity in the movement? Because Antifa was apparently significant in the 1920s maybe through the 1950s, but then it almost completely vanished. This new Antifa seems largely unrelated.

>>742968498
Good point.

>tfw you realise SJWs culturally appropriated Antifa from WW2 era Europeans

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>>742967870

>>742961599
>irrelevant extremist fringe group
>"movement"
kek

>>742968498
That's what I am observing as well. Back then, people got together and created an actual organization with charters and rules, and if you broke those rules the group could throw you out or disavow you if police got involved.
No one puts in the time to do this today as part of any citizen political movement. Internet boards, chats, etc. don't hold the same weight.

>>742967909
>Pokémon go and Nutella

Why don't you get a fucking job? I honestly can't wait. My life's purpose is to clean this shit up.

>>742964514
>Antifa sluts that support war crimes
It's not war crimes when Americans do it, silly.

>>742967909
this has to be bait

>>742964726
>Communists infiltrated the Democratic Party
Talk about being delusional.

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>>742968048
sure thing homosex

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>>742967909
Antifascism is basically to undermine the power grabbing from this kind of totalitarians,But in fact the world does not have the freedom organzation and promotion either by indivuals or power apparatus, to really not be a stunt serving other interests or a angry mob who "thinks" feels a meme or a broken door will yield system collapse.

Hopefully as people gets old the new lords dont really know how to concetrate power, (juniors and drugs but also new people who is not corrupted for example like the slave retaining right). But as power most of time by egoism tends to desarticulate freedom promotion, it also doesnt prosper very good.

Snowden or assange did more to people power than femen than intseads promoted hate for men, disrepect for good morals which benefits real freedom in society, ah shit the afetr seeing for to much time the hentai strap on i suddenly feel stupid to write seriously.

>>742968683
>You're the same as a facist, only you're on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

/thread

>>742968498
Wait.. so you mean nazis and antifa both happened a long time ago, and everyone is larping? Who knew?

It's almost like they're trying to shock people into paying attention to them, because they're all adopted.

>>742967909
It's incredible how you AntiFa faggots can think you're so righteous and unique.

>AntiFa is a moral position that opposes to facism
That's hilarious, since you seem to think that only you and the rest of Antifa are opposed to facism.
I'll give you a tip, EVERYBODY that is not a facist is opposed to facism
The only difference between you and the rest is that the rest of us are also opposed to violence.

Look at this example, this is the reality:

ANTIFA :
>Muh Facist are going to do a genocide against all-non white and degenerates. Quick, better be violent to counter this.

>FACISTS
>Muh minorities and commies are going to do a genocide against white people. Quick, better be violent to counter this.

Effectively, the opposite side to the same coin.
You're spewing bullshit that "Antifa left alone would eat Nutella and play PokeGo". That's both hilarious, showing how useless you are, and untrue as fuck.

You're the same as a facist, only you're on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

The difference between you and a decent human being, that the rest of us respect the human rights of all people, not just those that agree with us.

Nice showing how much of a piece of trash you pussies are.

Am a left wing, some may even call me democratic socialist, but if there's one thing I despise and look down on, is the regressive left and the Antifa pussies like you.

Have a shit day, cunt.

>>742964952
First of all, that's not how UN works. Second of all... both parties have been shitting all over the Constitution for decades. But if you admited that, you'd have to rationalize your complacency and inaction, so I guess it's easier to fantasize about the UN, the Illuminati and the lizzards taking over.. 'cause, you know, it's not fucking real.

>>742961962
>>742961962
It's not unforeseen forces, it's been documented that groups like this are funded by Soros

>>742967909
Röhm had a power base separate from Hitler with the brown shirts, and was pushing for control of the military, which the military hated. Getting rid of Röhm this both removed a rival, and allowed Hitler to cement an alliance with the military.

Who he fucked was irrelevant.

>>742961599
I thought it was just people who where Anti Facsism

>>742968843
>You're the same as a facist, only you're on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

/thread

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>>742968889

Really, that's the issue I have with antifa and progressives in general; any time someone says "OF COURSE IT'S OKAY TO PUNCH NAZIS", I have to ask what they mean by nazis.

I mean, we just witnessed an entire political campaign run on the premise of "My opponent is L I T E R A L L Y HITLER". These children call just about everyone who opposes them "nazis". How can I interpret that as anything other than "I want to violently fight all political opposition"?

>>742968003
Warms my heart to see all that freedom.

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>>742964514
>>742964514
Use the uncensored one at least

>>742961962
This

>>742966543
>Anything that tries to change the bell curve is oppressive.
What the fuck are you talking about? People can choose to organize the society in any way they wish, dumbass.

>>742968869
Firstly, people said the same thing to the first eurosceptics when concerns were highlighted about the EU. It was originally supposed to be a trade union essentially, now it's gone way past that and is becoming more totallitarian all the time.

So while the UN might not work like that now. That doesn't mean that y'know, that isn't part of its endgame in the future.

Secondly, I agree. Both the left and the right are part of the problem. But atm, the left is the bigger problem.

>>742969033
> tits for fascism!

>>742964984
> antifascist
This label is a complete joke. If you believe what you say then you're an irredeemable retard.

>>742968843
>everybody that is not a fascist is opposed to fascism

That's true, but let's make a list of (((fascists)))

-white people
-anyone who voted for trump
-anyone who has a job
-anyone who uses the "wrong" pronoun

And what is their response?

-denial of free speech
-violence
-destruction of property
-obstruction of traffic
-throwing piss at people
-assault w/eye irritants and air horns

I'll make it clear that anyone who is a self proclaimed nazi is cancerous to society, but this is just witch hunting to avenge madame president

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>>742968683
Unfortunately in the contemporate richsocieties there is no clear undestanding of war. War is not a game, it is not some bucks you have to disimburse, is not feeling right about letting muslims or africans do wahtever tey want.

War is a natural response to some things that are no accepable, for example someone who you really think is going to use the nuclear bomb, making it. The abolishion of slavery, or human abuse, trying a culture to dont be eliminated, robbing the things you absolutly want, or dont let anyooen contest your power.

I do no say war is good, but war is waged in many situations, which seems uncompormisbles. We must make values and religion rise so we move for justice, but either we are unjust or just, the use of violence is understandable, as not killing a wolf could mean the husbandry to fail some years ago, or some imperal japaneses establesihing rape camps over the world.

Bison skulls to make a train.
We do, we grieve, but still we must assume we need to live, god helps us.

>>742969125
>Both the left and the right are part of the problem. But atm, the left is the bigger problem.
Yep. The right controls most states at the legislatures and governors, and the 3 branches of the federal government, but still can't get done. The left is sitting at the kiddy table, but they've been converting the kiddies and control the media, so they're far more of a long term threat.

>>742966712
>you don't think a centralised regulatory system aka a state would be necessary to run that social organisation?
Your family is also a social organization, but somehow I am lead to believe that it is not run by a centralized regulatory system. Or maybe I am mistaken in assuming that your family relations are not capitalist? E.g. you ask your brother "Can you pass the salt?" and he says "How many dollars will I get for that?" :)

>The state is just as much part of the problem as the corporations are
True, but that doesn't mean that the solution is to attack the state while the problems that it alleviates still exist.

>>742969300
Yeesh typos. But you get the point.

>>742967134
>global order because there will be no examples for people to look to for an alternative
Google "Washington Consensus"

>>742969154
I'm ok at looking at tits for fascism, anti-fascism, racism, anti-racism, feminism, egalitarianism, botulism, or whatever other -ism they want to pull out their sweater puppies for.

>>742969033
>face covered up
>tits are not

At least they know their audience.

>>742969272
I write like shit.

I have a question for one of the libs here... Are capitalism and fascism one and the same?

>>742967165
>Because I believe that's pretty much the best system we can have.
That you believe that means nothing. People used to believe that feudalism was the best thing we can have. But, and get this, some people who had no fucking clue what they were gonna do, but were lead by ideals, abolished that system and replaced it with something better :O

>>742961599
You can replace everywhere you say antifa with alt right and it makes sense.

Truth is that antifa have their hearts in the right place more than the alt right and they're trying to do something to make the world a better place. Hating on antifa is just a sign of being a follower and not thinking for yourself imo. I'm glad they exist to show the world we wont let another third reich rise to power.

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>>742961599
Antifa likes to watch cuckold, femdom and interracial porn

>>742969313
>>742969475

Will you please stop making faces with the characters you type? It triggers my mental illness.

>>742969441
We all noticed.

>>742967909
>Our ONLY goal is to stop fascism BEFORE it takes over
And if you attempt to do that by promoting violence, you will fail miserably in your goal.

>>742969519
Nah, that's the alt-right. Antifa secretly watches Nazi and maledom porn.

>>742969507
Parasites always have their hearts in the right place- our wallets

>>742961599
Absolutely correct.

>>742969564
Aww you poor thing :*{ I'll get right on it ;-) :^*

>>742969688
This is why people hate you.

>>742968055
>that's not communism because communism has a centralised authority included, community doesn't
>communism
>community
And how do you think communism got its name, friend? You confuse Bolshevism with Communism as a whole.

>>742969507
>Truth is that antifa have their hearts in the right place more than the alt right
What the fuck kind of a stupid argument is that?
How daft are you that you are this easily swayed by emotional appeal?

>>742969688
alt right on it, ;O

>>742969313
Actually it is. Well, it used to be. Called traditionalism whereby the father took the lead role and the mother the passive supportive role. But thanks to liberalism and the state this is swiftly becoming a thing of the past and now children are raised by strangers employed by the state while both mothers and fathers do whatever the fuck they want. With little to no responsibilities.

So yes, the family is a social organisation and today it lacks that centralised regulatory system, but that's not a natural occurence, that's been forced by certain social stimuli that's been intentionally pushed by the state in order to make itself far more relevant and influential.

There will always be some kind of dominance hierarchy. There has to be. But what we're talking about here goes far beyond a natural dominance hierarchy in a natural setting. We're talking about the state, an artificial, unnatural, authoritarian organisation seeking to push society a certain way, not for the benefit of society, but for its own benefit. Essentially enslaving those who aren't part of the control system.

Family = community.
The state = authoritarianism.

>>742969722
Communism can be used loosely to refer to something other than the fictional endpoint of the Marxist revolutions. In fact, it usually us.

>>742961599
>Go away slav
>Russian shit posting
>Cambridge analytica shit posting

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>>742969688
Haha so funny, not. Go back to lereddit nigger.

>>742969823
>and now children are raised by strangers employed by the state while both mothers and fathers do whatever the fuck they want. With little to no responsibilities.
Brave New World. It's not just a book, it's today.

>>742969722
The fact that communism has the letters C O M M in it, the same as community doesn't necessarily mean that the two are interrelated to the degree in which you're indicating.

That's like saying Communism is called Communism because in order for Communism to exist we need to Communicate.

Bullshit wordplay with little to no meaning.

>>742969507
Instigating violent assaults, widespread arson and destruction of private and public property, and targeting and killing law enforcement officers is not "heart in the right place."
If there is a Hell, they've earned their spot in it as they march along the good intentions road right into it.
The best thing to happen would be to deny all of them further protest permits unless it was that group protesting the government (which is what the 1st amendment is for) and if any other group shows up - authorize the use of lethal force on them.
Have it happen a few times and hopefully the paid agent provocateurs will get it through their fucking heads that this shit isn't going to fly anymore.

>>742969907
Still need to read that.

>>742963855
>conservatism: let's just be free to believe what we want and mind our own business
>liberalism: my problem is your problem and you must believe what I believe or there is something very wrong with you.
Pretty much what you said with a little more elaboration.

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>>742969823
Good point, but societies without state tend to be far worse beacuse always some kind of mafia uses the non regualtory spectre to enforce his interest or sometimes even rules.

>>742969987
Yep. I do believe both sides are part of the problem as they're both essentially statist, but Conservatism is definitely the lesser of two evils.

>>742969929
>widespread arson and destruction
I live right next to berkeley and have seen much antifa protests and this is not true. I've never seen a single case of this personally. Antifa around here (and there is tons here) have been passive as hell and they never even drove over anybody. But yea lets hate them because the media told us to.

>>742969823
>now children are raised by strangers employed by the state while both mothers and fathers do whatever the fuck they want
You mean whatever the fuck they have to. I agree with your comments on the state, but like I said, it makes no sense to abolish it if you first don't replace it with something else (something better). When people tell you it's the other way around, reach for your wallet.

>>742961599
They are just usfull idiots to all kinds of political parties, mostly to the ones on the far left but sometimes also to centrists like the democrats for example. These parties use them to attack opposition under the disguise of fighting facism/racism/(insert random buzzword here). They are pretty much what the SA was to early national socialists party in germany, easily manipulated idiots who will attack anyone if you tell them 'That are the bad guys, go get em!'

>>742969720
But I <3 u :^*

>>742969785
Sorry nope ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>742969878
New here huh? It's ok bby ;^] you'll soon understand <3

>>742969929
Lethal force will happen whether it's authorized or not. That shit is not going to fly here. It's just the new "occupy Wall Street " movement for degenerates. They just keep pushing.... the funny part is, they think that not-sees are their only enemy. Everyone hates those niggers.

>>742969938
The real threat to the world isn't a hard utopia, like 1984, where all opinions are suppressed by violence and the state. It's a soft dystopia, where everyone voluntarily gives up their freedom for safety and immediate gratification.

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>>742970044
He thinks the media is unfair to Antifa

>>742969842
Which is why I responded the way I did to the claim that "communism has a centralised authority included"

>>742970132
you think you're a troll but you're just a dumb fuck.
kys fagget

>>742961962
>this is why america has been demonized for so long

I agree with most of your post but i remind you that america has been demonized since its conception for being total shit

>>742970011
Societies without a state tend to be far worse because we've never had a chance to develop without a state long-term in a collective sense, so alternative authorities arise and people seek to serve them.

The only time this hasn't really occurred is in tribal communities but they're far too small to even be relevant in this case. And far too philosophically or morally aware too.

In my opinion people need to look towards philosophy as a whole and go from there to make this stateless society a thing and make it work. And tbh I can see it happening gradually, but I'm not sure if it'll develop in-time to stop the coming endgame.

>>742970132
You keep fucking around, and I'll give you something to cry about

>>742969917
>The fact that communism has the letters C O M M in it...
I didn't say "Hurr, it has letters COMM in it", I said "How do you think it got its name?" Hint: commune, community, communal..

>>742970230
What exactly do you think America is "total shit" for exactly?

>>742970230
I'm sorry you lost the war

>>742970276
Jesus christ, and what similarity do all those words have? They have the letters COMM at the beginning, implying a common root in their etymology.

>>742970044
Antifa/BLM/Occupy Wallstreet
These are all the same people - Instigators recruit the same people, because all these fall into the same types of methodology and basic ideology and as such, attract the same participants.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html
Here is your "peaceful" protests as told by CNN so maybe you'll believe it.

>>742970242
Without a state, it's hard to coordinate resources beyond the local family group. Which means stateless societies are unstable because the first state that comes along will run right over them.

>>742970321
Dude, you'd better back off.. this nigga knows the word "etymology"

>>742970276
false,
comm stands for cunts oversensitive malicious motherfuckers

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>>742970132
hahhahaa, I mean the important thing is to be in the topic. Anyway>>742970100 this is the begining to discuss obamacare

>>742964321
>shitty world.
The proof is in the fact that these people do not live in a shitty world any more. They live in a society that has removed the social injustices they still screech about. Nothing is stopping blacks or gays or women from achieving what they desire. Nothing. There is no rise in Fascism, there is no rise in Neo-Nazis. These people are agitated by steam and lies. I agree it cannot be so simple as Soros. But I do believe, 100%, this is the fault of a media gone amok. A media more desparate for clicks and views and revenue will begin to go to great lengths to be provacative, controversial, and inflammatory. Credibility has gone out the window to gain a buck. And gullible poeple left and right eat it all up with a fork and spoon. I think the media needs to be hammered for this shit and be held more accountable for the "opinions" and "facts" they are reporting. It is the basis for all this unrest.

>>742961599
You might've gotten dubs but your post now actually makes me sympathetic towards the antifa movement!

>>742964403
Like fuck he is. He nailed it.

Wow a website full of lazy people doesn't like the groups that are actually trying to do stuff. Nobody cares what you think /b/.

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>>742964321
My main issue is that its 2017 anon, the age of going out into a street and protesting, disrupting the lives of literally the entire nation in what is essentially one big shitpost, is a dead sport

The time would be legitimately better spent using facebook and twitter and shit and confronting the big cheese that way, im not an american but there seems to be a huge population of sjw's and fat cunts and such, so im sure such a petition could get atleast 20% of american population supporting, the government couldnt possible ignore it

whereas currently, bunch of stupid cunts go and protest, fight some other stupid cunts, and instead of confronting anything that was actually being protested, the media and the literal president all just focus on pointing blame and swiping the attention away

what pisses me off most is that most people who live in america and i imagine are subjected to way more of this propoganda than the rest of the world still havent noticed this incredibly simple concept that is happening literally right around them

>>742970421
>implying you just got here

Nice try

>>742970457
This guy just blew his cover

>>742970384
kek

>>742970278
>>742970318
not him but america is literally the laughing stock of the planet and has been for atleast 10 years, i thought it was a pretty comfy setting back in like redcoat days

but yeah most people agree that america is a 3rd world country, sorry to say

>>742970358
Agreed. And that's where something like the constitution comes into play.

>>742970217
:)

>>742970267
;)

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>>742970351
>"Black-clad protesters wearing masks threw commercial-grade fireworks and rocks at police. Some even hurled Molotov cocktails that ignited fires"
Hehe antifa are pretty savage, I want to join now.

>>742970555
Gimme details?

>>742970605
You asked for it...

>>742970614
Sorry for answering your question anon

>>742964553
I have YET to hear a liberal argue properly about why they are doing what they do. It's always canned responses, avoiding the question, bringing up something else unrelated. ALWAYS. Not exaggerating.

>>742964619
No. No. No. No. No.

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>>742970655
Hahaha exactly man. I always have the same response for those kinds of response as well. I politely ask them to inform me of their position and correct me where I'm wrong because I want to know the truth, and they never do, they always bail out or continue with the ad hominems.

>>742968873
Proof? And no Britefart pls

>>742969033
Would lick antifascist armpits

>>742966649
Palestine is a meme and part of a plot to bring back the caliphate

>>742970655
They resort to feelings instead of truths, and when they do use facts, they're purposefully misleading or distorted without being outright lies.

>>742964637
Ok. Sounds reasonable, but considering Jews consider themselves "the chosen people" and better than goys, why would they care about the effect their actions have on goys if they stand to make money from it?

>>742964637
good job seeing through the bull shit.. its easy if you try

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>>742970583
Don't see a constitution helping a stateless society from outside threats.

>>742969987
Here's a definition that I heard somewhere and I quite like:
>conservatism: the established structures should be conserved; they got us thus far and they work; they should only change to accomodate societal changes; the state should not push society to change
>liberalism: there's a definite and good/progressive direction that the society is taking, and there's no reason not to push society to get there sooner rather than later, if possible
That being said, most American politicians and public figures who call themselves one of these two ARE NOT. They'll just feed you some bullshit question where it's difficult to choose between one of these two approaches (gay marriage, abortion, gun regulation) and be completely ANTI-CONSERVATIVE and ANTI-LIBERAL on all fronts that actually matter to people.

>>742961599
I just want to see then start something and the militias response

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>>742970638
Huge lack of freedom when compared to other 1st world countries

laughable healthcare

worst police force

most military spending (last i checked more than the next 26 countries combined)

pretty much no respect for citizens from any individual, including other citizens

capitalist environment, 1 step behind china for 'fuck you give me money, oh nice broken bone dickhead thats 5 million dollarydoos'

worst education of a 1st world nation

huge crime

of the huge crime, most of the criminals have racial plot armour

politics is a sport with no winners, and the biggest loser is the public

having any opinion leaves you open to getting death threats because of the national misinterpretation of 'muh free speech' by the public

-2017 specifics-

2 terrible candidates which means that 100% of the country is wrong since they both have to pick shit sides so will both be perpetually arguing the wrong shit back and forth

hillary supports are stupid cunts, trump supporters are socially inept cunts.

hillary is a stupid cunt, trump is a retard who i think if he was left alone some shit COULD get done but its literally like a 50/50 between life and death if you did that.

i could go on but im pretty stoned, i mean i'll flesh out some shit if you want but cmon

>>742970388
Witty. You should go pro.

>>742964998
You are assuming he is the same anon who posted the one you are refering to. It's possible he is not the same anon and really didn't?

>>742970887
>"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I'd say a gun in the hands of every able bodied and able minded man and woman would be enough to either disuade or repel foreign invaders.

>>742970742
http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/george-soros-funded-antifa-kkk-black-lives-matter-chaos-in-charlotte.616492/
All the links are here.
It's pretty tangled - he funds one group, then that group funds another, and so forth until it gets paid provocateurs to go in and cause problems.
The money trails though lead back to Soros. For whatever reason, he's trying to disrupt the US and it's hurting all sides.

>>742970899
"The right side of history" is basically a Creationist argument. It's the idea that evolution is an arrow, always moving forward, with the end goal of humanity. Except it's now being spun in social terms, and with the idea that we need to keep evolving to some ideal state (usually some variation on global socialism or communism).

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>>742970887
I dont really like a constitution, but i guess that a set of shared values clearly deined to many can work somehow, like equilibrium of powers, or the way legislative direct representatives choose how to spend money and not the head of the state.

>>742971015
Not really. The outside state just needs to encourage factionalism a bit, and then pick up the pieces.

>>742970358
>Without a state, it's hard to coordinate resources beyond the local family group
It's not particularly hard, it just requires people to participate.

>Which means stateless societies are unstable because the first state that comes along will run right over them
That's not true at all. There have been societies that did reasonably well. Today, Rojava is holding its own, their fighters are wiping the floor with state soldiers.

>>742971118
History is written by the victors.

>>742961764
>At least the alt-right knows its retarded and kinda embraces that fact and uses its retardation in an effective manner that has some comedy attached to it, as opposed to the left which is basically just mindless autistic screeching.
That's completely untrue: they believe what they say -- nobody would willingly try to lead their country down a path they know is retarded. You're just trying to weasel out of admitting that the alt-right are the right wing version of antifa.

>>742971176
Equilibrium of powers and direct reps sounds like a state.

>>742961599
How long did you look into the Antifa Movement? Ten seconds? Let me try to enlighten you:

>There is no "the AntiFa". lot of people call themself AntiFa because their against Fascism (AntiFa stands for Anti Fascism). Therefore its not easy to say they have no long term goal. All of them have goasl but they are all different. SOme want to reinstall Socialism, others want Anachry, others communism and some just want Neonazis to leave their home town.
>A lot of Antifas are recruited in the teenage phase, but the core of the movements is around 30 y/o. Just because you neither understand them nor their goals, calling them people in an angsty teenager phase underastimates them and is more than just childish.
>As said before, all Antifas have different goals, they are united in the fight against fascism, rassism, homophobia and xenophobia.
>Antias dont think they are oppressed. They have realised that theyy are not and that others are, like blacks, muslims, gay and so on. Therefor they fight against the oppressing power and try to grand same rights for everybody, even if they are not part of the antifa movement.
>Fascism is a thread that still exists in all of our life even if the government is not (copletely) fascist. Therefor, to prevent a fascist dictatorship, the fascist roots have to be fought before any leader has the opportunity to nurrish them.

To make you understand Antifas better, mabe go to them and talk to them instead of shit talking nonesense of which you have no idea of.
Also: Trump is not Hitler. He is too stupid to become a thread as Hitler was. But his fascism can open a path for another Führer to take over the US government and install a fascist regime. That is the threat the Antifa is fighting.

Love and blessings to all of you.

>>742970555
trips = truth

>>742970959
I see all of that as the US corporation (because that's what the United States is, a corporation) intentionally gradually demoralising and destabilising America for a purpose. Not the total fault of America as a whole but something it's having forcibly pushed on it for a political agenda.

>>742970959
That military spending, along with all the money spent on medical research and developing new drugs, is why other countries have more to spend on social programs. Europe doesn't have much of a military and develops only a tiny fraction of the medical breakthrus because the U.S. took up the slack.

>>742970959
>i could go on but im pretty stoned
I agree with your post, but that's disgusting.

Are you a nigger or why are you stoned?

>>742971228
I'm not trying to weasel out of anything, that's just how I see it, feel free to cease the ad hominem attacks and give me counter-arguements though.

>>742969987
>conservatism: let's just be free to believe what we want and mind our own business
That isn't conservative at all, the freedom to think and do what you want is a liberal ideal -- the word "liberal" refers to liberty i.e freedom.

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>>742971238
Not always, equilibrium of powers could be that the shared goal is no not concentrate all imporant inputs in few people, but when it odes suit you could shit that principle, rep sounds like a state, i was only telling taht a constituion as an accord with stae law enforcemnt or without a state could derive in some benfits, not that i like it very much but honor where honor demands.

>>742971357
well thats what im saying really, america as a conception could barely be more perfect, but obviously as time goes on things evolve etc etc, and for better or worse we have the system we have today

>>742971399
but the thing is anon, of the 26 countries america beats combined, 25 of them are allies. i mean its easy to say 'lets all just stop killin and go to space' but really thats the ultimate goal, it think just a fraction of that money could speed it up dramatically

>>742971400
sorry theres literally like 3 places in england where weed is legal and i live there so im really just doing it to annoy other people

>>742971320
>(AntiFa stands for Anti Fascism)
kek, thanks for the information oh patronizing ignorant anon who hasn't read a single post in the fucking thread

>>742971176
Do you know what the US constitution is? I mean what it really really is?
It's a document that doesn't define what rights we have persay - it's uniquely designed to limit governmental powers.
Ideally, if the Constitution was enforced properly in both letter AND spirit of the law - there'd be no abridgements or "reasonable" limitations on any of the amendments, and our agreed upon government would look much different and we'd be a much, much more free country with limited Federal government.
But no - people got involved, and twisted the original plan of our forefathers to suit their own agendas.
The US Constitution is one of the greatest legal papers ever written in terms of the freedoms we gain from it - it's just been shit on for over a century now once the original architects of it were gone.

Something happened on 4chan this week... over the last 6 days. The mods know.

>>742968843
Hero

>>742971541
dude, i do the best reading.and i am very happy to help you with y awesome skills.
love and kisses, darling

>>742971506
That's the kind of thing that really needs to be backed up by details and concrete examples, which is probably a bit much for this thread.

Though I don't think an honor-based society is the best approach. There's a good argument that one of the breakthrus of Western civilization was the move from an honor-based society, where family and edginess drove behavior (still exemplified in many parts of the world, including much of Latin America), to a society based on the idea of equality, where we recognized certain inalienable human rights. A stateless society based on honor would lose that idea, and quickly devolve into tribalism.

>>742971118
>the idea that we need to keep evolving to some ideal state (usually some variation on global socialism or communism).
Maybe we are evolving in that direction. Here I mean actual socialism, not "state socialism". If you look back, you could say it's been the case. That's more or less what Marx said: that's where we are going. What people get wrong is that this does not mean that it's a good idea to hand over the state to someone who promises to get you there tomorrow. But it also doesn't mean it's a bad idea to actually get there legit.

Now, I only say this because it's wrong to assume that the so-called liberals would ever try to make themselves obsolete by pushing the society towards actual socialism. Or that they'd turn "state-socialist"; the rich pay them and the system works well for them, why would they bite the hand that feeds them?

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>>742971580
Yes but is not alive is just something that is re read by humans.

Besides, no matter how very good is a constuct at the end is only a rock which the time will erode. besides it had some very critical faults like a lack dignity for the non citizens

And beyond there are a lot more constitutions than the northamerican. The mexican for exmaple introducen social resposability in all world but it was not really enforced, ultimatly now it is just a legislative technique when one has a majority to put a law that is more difficult to modify (it ahs like 500 or more modifications, not exagerating).

>>742968843
woha dude. the difference between facism and antifa is that antifa movements are just moveents. they are a lot of stupid people who this violene can solve a problem but at least figtht the god fight and in a few yoars they are gone. Antifas are so unstructured that they can never establish a regime that was able to rule a contry.
Fascism on the other hand only lifes because some leaders know how to currupte peaples fears and hopes. The establish a structure and let them move against the liberal emocratic state that we are living in. They provide struture and once they have won, there is no way back. Belife me, I m German

The fight against fasism must be fought day by day. Not with weapons or violence but with commitment and solidarity, love and hope.

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>>742971032
>for whatever reason

>>742971320
Spent the better part of two days watching how they operate at rallies. There is practically zero footage of the right behaving in the immoral manner that they do. The right just stands their ground against the attacks of the left / antifa. And of course, listening to the discussions / debates /a arguements between individuals on both sides. The pattern is always the same on both sides. The right isn't entirely innocent but the left is far worse and they're essentially the ones proliferating the aggrovation and division more so, without even attempting to reach out and come to some sort of agreement with the other side.

If a massive group of people who has a political agenda and is using its numbers to push that political agenda names itself something specific, then it's known by that title, and this specific group calls itself antifa, so it is antifa.

And well, the majority of the people at the rallies are late teens / early 20s men and women who still look and act like teenagers. There are a few exceptions, but most of them fit into this description from what I can see. And even the older types act like the younger antifa recruits, like teenagers / children.

also, no, completely incorrect, antifa are not fighting for any kind of right. they're fighting for privileges. when you live under a state rulership you are essentialy submissive to that state. you are owned. you are a slave. whether you consent to it or not. and everything in your life is essentially a privilege, as the state can give or take it away at their leisure. so no, antifa are not fighting for rights, they're fighting for privileges. they have no idea of what they're fighting for, completely misinformed on the nature of the state and the nature of rights as a whole. natural rights are inherent and you have them from birth 'till death, and they cannot be given or taken away by any other human being. what antifa wants is to virtue signal and claim victimhood...

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>>742968048
First of all
>knowing antifa activists
>thinking that the guys on the bottom are appraised of top level strategy
>not understanding basic processes of manipulation
>being this cuck
Also you're a fuckin cuck if you think no one can figure out how to direct mass teenage/young adult angst. Fuckin moron
>pic related, it's you being a retard

>>742971320
Also, none of them work

>>742972089
I wonder if Putin will ever be depicted as fully dressed ever again. Guess not

>>742972127
until the state caves in and provides them with the privileges they demand. they are children kicking up a fuss to pressure their parents into giving them what they want, that's all this dynamic is. and they're using any trick in the book that they can in order to justify their position on why they're entitled to the things they think they should have. and the right is opposed to this, so the right is their enemy and they need to demonise them to get the state to remove them from the equation one way or another.

they don't give a fuck about blacks, or anyone else of any other race, or even each other. they just want the same thing. more state privileges. more governmental oversight. more suppression of the opposition, of anything that counters their personal agendas.

>>742971507
>Britainistan

It all makes sense now..

>>742971550
So.. the guys who also protested against the last Democrat president are actually a part of a paramilitary organization of his party? Good to know.

>>742971636
Mods are hyper-cucked

>>742971925
Because the modern progressives seem driven by ideals. There are certainly power blocks in place who hold tight to their prerogatives (Hillary over Bernie in the primaries is a perfect example), but that doesn't drive the base. So they'll bite the hand because they don't really care about the hand.

But it's also a stupid idealism. It's Marxism, in the general sense at least. And Maxism has always been a kindergarten ideal, the idea that if we just all get along and share everything, then everything will be perfect. And they've become so blinded by that ideal they've lost the ability to be self-critical. They can't recognize that government really sucks at doing lots of things, and they completely ignore even atrocities committed by anyone on their "side" while demonizing anyone in the out group. Which is a shame, because the core of classical liberalism was skepticism and pragmatism. The founding fathers limited government because they feared its power, instead of worshiping it.

>>742971507
>america as a conception could barely be more perfect
Maybe by 18th century standards.

>>742972101
> doesn't know what the word "fascism" means

>>742972251
kek

>>742972122
Bet your a good little sheep too.

>>742972461
U mad?

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>>742961599
Antifa is fascist.
Accept the ugly truth.

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>>742971883
If we push that very far we could have children saying that is better to euthanize his old parents instead of caring for them. I mean freedom is the best chocie to base a society, but freedom without valuing things is like a blind jury who cannot even tell the culprit from the victim.

There are things like the indepent strive that is remarkable in the us, but also there is honor and humility in latin america which makes people be close one from another.

For example merchants in feudal japan where a lower class than peasants, or warriors even when they lived better thant most of both. America gives the big money no corporate entrepeneurship and not the politics. These are values ingrained that make people act. I think there is not a bottom inalinable human rights more likely, a human dignity that needs responsible beings with a lot of values ingrained so they can make good judgements, beacause if not not how do you separate natural rights from authority will.

>>742972656 (You)
Oh yeah, gotta say, any thought on "but, they don't have leadership", doesn't matter if they don't(Which, we're not 100% sure),
they oppose the same thing in large numbers like marionettes, they oppose freedom.

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>>742972089
hahahahahhahahahha

I guess not i had not realized he was shirtless so accustomed to seein him like that any way see you I have to work.

>>742972589
No but you are.
Sheep.

>>742973212
of course they have leadership

you really think this whole thing is grassroots and thought up by a bunch of homeless bums / teenage / early 20 somethings / old low IQ no-marks with self-esteem and psychological issues? no, this whole thing has been pushed by other unseen elements. there might not be a public leadership, but there is definitely a leadership somewhere in the mix.

>the phantom menace

>>742973666
Thanks for that, satan.

Btw, the name of that phantom menace is George Soros.

>>742972363
like when america was made?

>>742973831
holy shit hahaha, didn't even notice. nice.

and yeah so I keep hearin / seeing. wasn't there proof at one point that soros affiliated groups were posting online about hiring protesters after Trump won the election?

Antifa is the part of the left that is going to kick your Nazis ass when you parade down the street.

>>742974215
if the right was nazi, it'd be you getting your asses kicked down the street, not the other way round

you are the nazis faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHO4FwxXDas
>some guy with glasses tries to enter some building
>Antifa stops him, steals his glasses right off of his face
>glasses guy goes after the thief, grabs him and throws him down
>Antifa "woman" puts glasses guy in a rear naked choke

Antifa can suck my balls. Fuckin degenerate thugs.

By the way, who is this "woman"? "She" looks like the same guy who punched a black conservative after trying to act all tough and telling him to "fuck off" and saying they have "no use" for him.

antifa, more like wiz khalifa

if you aren't throwing human feces or it isnt on cable tv i dont giiiiiiiiiiive a fuck nigga

>>742961599
You're forgetting the part where they consider anyone wearing a trump hat or having different views in general a Nazi.

Whitehouse petition to label Antifa terrorists:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-antifa-terrorist-organization-0

Over a quarter million signatures in just 6 days. let's make it unmistakable Antifa won't be tolerated and get 1 million

>>742974625
if you aint throwing yo own shit at another person or drizzling disabled kids in ranch sauce, no one gives a fuck pal... take a walk

>>742974694
Learn to speak English Antifa degenerate.

>>742974492
>>742974694
Kill yourself fucking nigger

>>742974781
learn to speak ancient sumerian you shapeshifting lizard butthole, ill suck your dads dick

>>742974809
racial and rachael sound exactly the same, the universe is infinite... ranch sauce

>>742973904
It's circumstantial, because it's hard to know who to trust for sources.

Basically a Soros owned holding company gave money to antifa. Also, yes, they did pay for actors to go to protests. That one is called "Crowds on Demand".

>>742961599
They work for George Soros, owner of the Democratic Party

>>742961599

Congrats bro, you got it right. Actually, every single adult with a brain came to this conclusion.

>>742964321
>btw soros is a rich capitalist whereas antifa generally opposes capitalism. literally none of your theory makes sense.

Congrats, kid, you're one your way understanding why things are more complex that you used to think. You have still a long way, but it's a start.

Now you can wonder why they are allies, and understand how antifa and liberals are spreading chaos, destroying western cultures, and making globolization a thing, which is wonderful for Soros people..

>>742975290
If Antifa can fight nazis by being nazis.

They can fight capitalism by using capitalism.

It's really not that hard to understand. They are hypocrites.

They don't know what they're doing, they just want to fuck shit up using any means necessary.

No matter what they do or how they do it, or what they use to get to where they want to be they will be justified in their eyes because the end justifies the means.

>>742974354
Meet me in person abd we will see.

>>742975775
Firstly, when you say "me." You mean you and about a thousand other antifa buddies, all wearing masks, donning baseballs bats and the like.

Secondly. I'm neither on the left nor the right, so even if I was within your locale, which I'm likely not. Because I'm from the UK, we'd never meet "in the field" because I don't support neither the left or the right.

The fact that you assume I am is telling of your perception of the world, you think "if you're not with us you're against us" and you think if someone isn't on your side, they're not on the left, so they're on the right. This is a very limited view of the world and politics in general and it shows why you need to be so aggressive and use violence to get your point across.

>because you haven't a fucking clue what you're doing, why you're doing it, you're just doing it for the sake of doing it and want to feel like you're doing it for a reason even though you have no idea what that reason is and when someone criticises you and what you're doing, it reminds you of this fact, that you have no actual purpose and are wasting time with bullshit just because other mindless drones are too, and that makes you want to hurt me, because it hurts you

grow up and wise up mate, if you have to use physical violence, you've already lost the arguement.

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Antifags are fucking retarded. They want to eradicate themselfs by eradication of White race, patriotism and social control. They are simply bunch of retarded self-hating faggots. Gas plz.

>>742975453
french ?

>>742965138
Yeah communism really seems to be working out for all those communist countries

>>742976223
UK.

>>742969313
If I tried to charge my brother to pass him the salt, he'd just get it himself. However, as a mechanic I have charged him to work on his car, my dad would charge me if I needed his help, and my brother would do the same. The fuck are you talking about?

>>742976249
I think it's kinda funny that all of these white european communists think that for some reason we can successfully implement communism unlike all the other times it's been tried all over the world.

it's almost as if they think that we're special for some reason.

could it be that perhaps they think we're more able to do so than others because we're mainly white in the west?

could it be that antifa and the left in general are secretly racist / white supremacist and think that the "communism always fails" rule doesn't apply to them because of their genetic heritage and the factors that come with it, e.g. IQ rates?

>>742976406
The left racist?!? Are you crazy it cant possibly be racist they had a black president in office and they support blms

>>742977004
you don't hate to hate another race to be racist, you can support them and show them love, while simultaneously feeling superior to them. pitying them etc.

the left looks down on other races because it sees them as victims. it dehumanises them by making out that they need their white captors / oppressors to turn themselves around and save them from their oppression

>the left is racist because it believes that blacks / hispanics / whatever other non-white race needs saving from whites, when they can easily save themselves from any oppression they may be going through.

>>742977183
have to hate*

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Antifa are the lowest IQ and weakest, degenerates of society. They consist of fat, bald feminist cat ladies and limp wristed trannies and white runts. They dont have the compacity to think for themselves or observe natural laws so they believe what their television and jewish media tell them. Antifa are lemmings.

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>>742977449
In Poland we say "Antifa łowcy hiva" which means "Antifa hunters of hiv".

>>742977723
for a second I was like wtf is hiv

then I reread and visualised the hiv in capitals

smh