You cannot learn how to draw. You have to be born as an artist.

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Practice does work tho, I was pretty shit at it back in high school and used to just draw shit while I was tripping, (pic related) it was mainly just patterns at first, but I couldn't for the life of me look at something and draw it to any resemblance, so then I bought anatomy books and started practicing over and over again trying to actually resemble a hand or a real anatomical person and after a year or so I could draw an anatomically scaled person, now I'm getting better with landscapes

>>742573676
Have to have more than basic survival skills that's for sure but if you don't practice you won't achieve.

Source: psychology

>>742574164
U proved op is correct

>>742574164
>anecdotal evidence

>>742574249
Read it again.
That's one of his shit drawings.

>>742574249
How? If anyone practices they can draw, the only part that's a "gift" is being able to have a style that others value

It's like singing

Case closed.

>>742574226
>I think you can become a baseball player.

>Source: The Bible

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>>742574329
Correct, here's where I'm at now

>>742574377
>hur durr practice worked for me

>anecdotal evidence

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>>742574580
>yfw when you compare the two and see that the supposed shit one is better

>>742574714
Only if your into "trippy shit"

>>742574455
I'm really good at it and it took me 2 years of hard practice

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Back in high school when I was just doing faces and patterns I couldn't even grasp doing something like this, I couldn't capture the real world at all just shit I made up

>>742573676
Art is subjective tbh. I mean obviously some people just have talent. I can see your point but its just a blanket statement, it is a trade you can learn.

>>742574972
>anecdotal evidence

>>742575134
>it is a trade you can learn.

No evidence provided to back up said statement.

>>742575137
Nature prepromed me

>>742573676
You're suffering from inaccurate descriptions here OP. You can absolutely learn and practice drawing. The act of dragging a pen over paper is physical and as such depends on your manual dexterity and experience, both of which improve with use.

What you may have meant is that you can't learn artistic talent - which is what you express USING your ability to draw.

This can actually be verified - there are plenty of people that do very well copying designs, drawing what they see or what they remember, but that do really badly imagining stuff or creating abstract art.

>>742573676
Go ask /ic/ about Kyle.

I hereby have genes to play baseball


It's both nature and nurture

>>742575304
>You can absolutely learn and practice drawing
I would really like some evidence with that.

>This can actually be verified
>doesn't post something that would verify it.

>>742575365
Can I have a quick rundown?

>>742574614
>You cannot learn how to draw.
>You have to be born as an artist.
>>742574614
>>hur durr practice worked for me
>>anecdotal evidence
OP said *no one* can learn to draw. Anon learned to draw. Therefore, OP's premise is invalid. lrn2logic

>>742575632
>presenting anecdotal evidence
>oh it worked for me, just trust me

>>742575632
>Anon learned to draw.

>anon was born with artistic skill, just refined his skills over time

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It's pretty simple to find the answer OP. Its called "Is there a school for that?"
We'll use "Drawing" and "Looking Good" as example.

>Is there a school for looking good ?
No, okay, so you're good looking at birth, or you're simply not.

>Is there an Art School, where you learn how to draw and perfect that art?
Yes? Ok then, you have to learn to draw, it doesn't come pre-packaged with a baby when it's born.

Is that logical enough for you, OP?

>>742575946
>Art School

It is an institution for people to refine their artistic skill they have been equipped with at birth.

>>742575744
>anecdotal evidence
It would be a valid criticism if OP's statement wasn't absolute, and Anon's refutation wasn't personal experience.

>>742575866
>>anon was born with artistic skill, just refined his skills over time
Babby's first logic troll.

>>742573676
You have to be born with an interest but anyone can get better at it.

>>742576161
>no evidence provided

>>742576143
>no argument

>>742576194

where's your evidence you have to be born with it?

you just need to reach the 10000 hours of practice threshold.

>>742576194
Don't need evidence, I'm speaking from experience. The topic itself isn't worth really providing evidence for, unless someone has a real interest in testing but how do you do that anyway?

>>742576299

Gladwell's 10k hours thing has been refuted as bullshit many times.

That's bullshit OP. In my country we have mandatory drawing exams for all wannabe architecture students and of course you need to attend some classes first if you want to pass it. I've seen people from different backgrounds and with different initial skill level taught at drawing schools like that and eventually everybody can learn how to draw if they don't loose patience first and actually work.

It's maybe 10% talent, 90% practice and actual work. Talent only helps in the very beginning too.

Source: myself (passed the exam at uni).

>>742576290
The burden of proof lies on you my friend.
But okay compare drawings from kindergarten kids. Even though all of them seem rather simplistic you can definitely make out a significant difference in skill. This children will improve over time while other kids will always lack such skill. Despite the fact that they equally spend the same time drawing.

Op, you seem to be talking so much about arguments, but, am I the only one that thinks it's weird that you do not have any? You have a statement, surely, but there is nothing backing it up. The burden of proof is with you.

>>742576194
>>no evidence provided
Don't require one. You refute MY statement. Isn't this your first logic troll?

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>>742576339
You know what that means.

>>742576375
>myself (passed the exam at uni).

>anecdotal evidence

Thank you for your contribution.

>>742576342
what ever, its always proven true in my life.

one day 10 years ago I wanted to whistle, but couldn't even get my lips right to produce sound. tried once a day to make sound, eventually became able to do it. Now i can whistle yankee fucking doodle like nothing.

>>742576514
You're retarded

>>742573676
Well, humanity's abilities with art have increased throughout history by way of figuring out new techniques. You need to learn techniques in order to develop an ability with art. Anyone can be taught these techniques but not everyone is going to be in the upper echelon of artists. Literally everything works this way.

>>742576486
My thread is asking people to disapprove my statment. The burden of proof lies on them.

draw discord/ eBAh6gE

>>742576671
Thank you for playing.

Isn't it hilarious how people can admit that someone has a talent for math, or for music, and some people can't deal with numbers, or are tone deaf, but when it comes to drawing it's "LE ANYONE CAN LE DO IT LELELE". Fucking retards.

Why go to school

You're a born truck driver, no need to learn

>>742576729
The sun is actually a negroid screaming so hard it emmits light. Prove me wrong
>Hard mode: No anecdotal evidence

>>742576697
kek

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>>742576046
>Being so dishonest you can't even find words to go around the argument.

>It (art school) is an institution for people to refine their artistic skill
>Refine

Is another word for "learn better" or "improve"
You said Learning but used another word for it.

Checkmate faggot OP, you can't simply slide through the English language and redefine shit as you please.

>>742576830
Tone deaf people can learn music and people who are bad at math just take more time to develop those skills.

>>742576859
I see, you're just shitposting. Have a good day.

>>742576845
>false equivalance

SInce there is actual photographs and scientific documents providing evidence.

>>742576909
>more time
Human life is finite. Do you want someone to spend 80 years getting to a level someone gets to in 2 months?

>>742576830
>not realizing what you're good at solely relies on your experience with it

You can use yourself as evidence as long as the correct method was applied to draw the outcome.

>>742576903
Learn better or improve but not learning in itself.
You can learn to refine skills but you cannot learn the skill itself.

>>742577034
Yeah, that's why there are 5 year old prodigies who can paint perfectly photorealistic paintings, or write symphonies in their heads or do ridiculous mathematical operations, because of experience.

>>742576760
Why did you post this?

>>742576952
>gives up because no evidence

>>742573676
Everyone can draw - it's about expectations vs result.

Prove me wrong now.

>>742577236
>no evidence

oh boi...

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ITT: OP is a bad, frustrated artist, and too lazy to practice and improve.

>>742577301
>no argument

>>742577336
anecdotal evidence

>>742577289
Go draw a dot

>>742577504
If I would draw a dot, I still haven't learned how to draw.

>>742577492
>still no argument

>>742577713
Won't refute my argument.

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Most recent project in illustrator

>>742573676
that is not true at all,
you have people who are gifted and learn quite easily the hand eye coordination , and you have others like me who learned by doing it over and over and got better each year.

you are so stupid and self defeating you are just angry you can't draw, and are to lazy to put the effort into learning correctly because " IF IT IS NOT EASY , then fuck it , and then bash everyone else who disagrees with you or shows you some of their work.
you are just like women who expect special treatment because they are women ,and then are pissed at hot women for being hot and don't bother to do anything to improve anything about themselves.

tldr go die in a fire..

>>742577775
You haven't made a single argument. You made an assumption about me.

Actually Imma agree with you on this. Always sucked at drawing but had friends who were so good at it even as little kids. I draw when I'm bored and stuff but it's just not good. It really does seem to be something you are born with, good point

>>742575540

Evidence? Every artist ever is evidence for that. What, you think none of their products have in any way influenced by the fact that most artists spend much of their waking time creating art?

Hilarious.

>>742573676
Drawing is finding patterns and repeating them, that's how you learn. If your iq is 0 and you have no fucking idea on how patterns work and interact with eachother, no wonder you don't know how to draw

>>742577875
>You made an assumption about me.
Prove me wrong.

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>>742577822
One more

>>742577980
This, OP post your best work of art

>>742577853
And not a single shred of evidence was provided.
So sad my friend. I didn't bash anyone, I called them out when they haven't provided actual evidence and resorted to the "it worked for me so it should for you".

>>742577128
>you have to be autistic to be an artist

are you seriously just trying to make excuses why you suck as an artist? just practice more faggot

>>742578029
>This, OP post your best work of art
Sorry, I didn't take a photo after I jizzed on your mom's face.

inb4 andecdotal evidence

>>742577822
>>742578000
thats not drawing tho

Art classes help people learn how to draw

OP is a fag sage

>>742578154
Did you just assume my parents gender?

>>742577822
>>742578000

>illustrator working with shapes and not actually drawing yourself

Looks nice tho.

You can 100% learn to draw. You need to get the mindset right, I agree, but that's developed rather than innate. It's not just being mechanically good at putting pen to paper, it's about understanding how to transfer what you're seeing into movements of the pen.

A good example of how this can be developed is through drawing excersizes. Try to draw something without taking your pen off the paper, or as in as few lines as possible. You'll start to get better at recognizing what is important to the drawing and what is unnecessary detail if you do this enough. It's all about having a good eye for it I think.

>>742573676
My gf used to draw at a near deviantart quality. Two weeks ago she bought a drawing tablet, and now she does great. Even better than she does on paper, I'd say.
There is some level of natural talent on paper but with drawing tablets that benefit is pretty much nil.

>>742578214
>Did you just assume my parents gender?
Sorry, your birth mother.

Unless they've perfected gestating fetuses in pigs.

>>742577904
you are just as stupid as OP then ,

you bother to take any classes that teach technique ? or even just basic skill level stuff proportion , shadow , perspective stuff like that ?
if not then your opinion is therefore skewed and not valid

>>742577980
First of all, I am not an artist. Do you think that if I were one that I would say something like this? The general consensus of artists believe that everybody can draw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmmDJD7QAE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI3xbxVLJoE

http://superamiuniverse tumblr com
(just scroll down a bit)

And second why should I practice something you can't learn?

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>>742578223
True, and I appreciate it. The actual drawing I used to do was in high school, before I became focused on digital art.

>>742578118
evidence for what ??...that is an opinion of you as a person m based of what you have said in this thread and how you like use logical fallacy arguments , that are in fact just you side stepping any proof for the statements you are making

>>742578194
>refine their skills

ftfy

>>742578586
>First of all, I am not an artist.
If you're gonna troll in the big time, you better be able to remember thread history.

Or maybe you think trolling is an innate talent.

>>742578658
I meant for the first part of your post. Not the opnionated part.

>>742578298
I need evidence and not just a statement.

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>>742573676
Literally just switch the word draw with another skill and the question doesn't get any easier

>You cannot learn how to play an instrument
You have to be born a musician

>You cannot learn how cut peoples hair
You have to be born a hair dresser

>No anecdotal evidence
I remember when I started cutting hair/ riding a bike/ to tie my fucking shoes

>You have to cook meals every day this worked for me

Prove me wrong on any of those subjects using the same limits you would use for the art shit.

>>742573676
ITT OP is pissed his parents didn't nurture him to be as good of an artist as his peers and tries to blame genetics

>>742579011
I ask for evidence that isn't based on personal experience since it holds no ground. If someone would present studies or scientific data then I would accept it. But personal experience doesn't suffice as concrete evidence.

>>742578118
because you are asking for evidence , and when evidence is provided , you don't accept it as evidence , therefore NOTHING provided for you will be accepted by YOU as evidence.
personal experience by other anons who are artist's is proof as evidence.

you are just a shitty little anon who is angry he cant create anything artistic..

>>742579136
>>742579152

>>742578930
You "want" us to disprove you're theory but you don't want our experiences? Literally the only evidence we can actually provide on a Chinese cartoon board? As in you're just a troll? K have fun
>sage

>>742574989
not trying to be a dick, but that perspective is so fucked up i cant really call it anything else.

>>742579200
I don't, you misunderstand

I'm just saying how stupid it is to ask with those limits imposed, I'm arguing against OP here

>guys prove to me that you can learn skills and that they're not just innate
>only don't tell me about how you leaned a skill that wasn't innate because I've decided that's cheating

>>742579274
My bad. Thought you were op.

>>742573676
imagine believing that for the rest of your life holy shit what a curse

>>742579354
>what is scientifc data or studies that actually can qualify as evidence?

>>742579381
No worries

>>742579136
sure it does , this is the whole BASIS for the US court system , and why they call EXPERT witnesses to testify ..ANYONE who DOES something , long enough for them to explain to others how to do the same thing.. and repeat with the same results .. it called an expert witness

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>"Provide me evidence"
>All evidence is sidestepped
>"You are not giving me evidence"
Of course my dear OP.Everyone needs to be a fucking special snowflake to literally be good at something, and development is heresy

>>742579540
The problem is that personal experience is always biased towards the point you are trying to make. And it alters from person to person.

>>742579726
>asking for actual non-biased evidence = sidestepping

k

>>742573676
after reading this thread it seems OP is angry he has no talent and wants everyone else who has talent to feel bad, I don't understand why so many of you anon's let an underage brat throw a tantrum on here and then buy into his ego stroking hate game for his amusement.

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This count?

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>>742579898

>>742579957
Count for what?

>>742580074
Only started sketching yesterday. Wasn't born with it.

>>742579736
that statement is self negating and you using Argumentum "A" fallacy and Fallacy of the Beard fallacy argument
this whole thread is going nowhere with you doing the Petitio Principii .

>>742575946
There is no such thing as sex school and I'm still a virgin. Explain this?

>>742573676
not sure if you're trying to bait artists or you're frustrated and looking for an excuse

>>742580172
The problem is that this would count as personal evidence.

>>742577679
You don't need to learn because you just drew something. It's expectation vs result. Learning how to draw is practicing motoric skills and perception.

Oh and prove me wrong

>>742580045
not implying anything , I am pretty confident I stated it outright.

>>742580282
Or maybe I actually believe that this is true and ask to be proven wrong.

>>742580323
I didn't drew anything. I just made a dot. That is not drawing something.

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>>742573676
Obvious bait

>offer no evidence to back up claim
>"Try to prove me wrong"
>anecdotal evidence has less basis in fact than baseless claim

>>742580852
>oh boi...

>>742580901
>No evidence provided

I hate committing this to the thread, because it's a waste of time, as far as OP is concerned.

In high school art class the teacher had us draw a picture projected on a screen, grid block by grid block. By doing it this way, we couldn't tell what we were drawing. Well, when we uncovered our pictures, we'd reproduced the original pretty damn well. Meaning we are capable of creating art, it is our conscious mind that frustrates our efforts.

And this was a class of a dozen or more, you little shit, OP.

muh anecdotal evidence

>>742580357
if you do not or will not accept any evidence as proof , then none can be given that will disprove or validate , the terms of the statement you have made can never be met.
this is the Petitio Principii , this anon >>742580232 is speaking of , I.E. Assuming your conclusion as your proof, also where two things are seen as the cause and the effect of each other the question then becomes circular in logic .

>>742575591
Just some fag who couldn't draw for shit who learnt to draw for shit during a course of 2-4 years through structured practice. I don't think it's so much that you can't learn to draw if you weren't born with a liking for it, and thus you are doing it already, it's more like "why would you bother learning how to draw if you don't enjoy it".

>>742581149
>any evidence as proof ,
I accept evidence based on scientific data and not on personal experience.

>>742573676
I wish i had Artism like you OP.
>Guess I'll never be an Artist now.

>>742573676
lol, i gratuated pretty high in arts, had colleges wich didnt even know how to pick up a pen, some got better then me just through dedication.

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>>742573676
read this, here's your proof

>>742581279
Scientist performs experiment, collects data; another scientist reproduces results, gives to OP.

"Sorry, anecdotal evidence."

>>742581499
Yup, that's what I was saying here:
>>742581086

>>742581499
The first thing that could potentially be actual evidence. I only hope that the author is not writing from personal experience and actually backs up her claims.

>>742581149
>>742580232
>>742578930
>>742579726
>>742578658
>>742576903
you anons are why I still show up to /b/ you make this place worthwhile thank you.

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>>742581499
back cover w/ samples

keep in mind I'm one of those 'born with it' people you seem to think are the shit. but this breaks it down into simple terms that even a baiting autist like you could understand.

>>742581738
Ding Ding we actually have a winner. Ha fuck you OP.

>>742573676
After I broke my arm, something fell in place and I started drawing nicely
>> not born

>>742581279
If you can't provide any scientific data to back up your claim why should anyone provide any to disprove it?

Nobody would fund a study like this just to appease lazy shits like you.

>>742573676
Everybody aside those with a brain damage in that special area have creativity to some point. Being born with talent gives you a big headstart. Having little talent often discourages people to pursue that matter further. Learning to draw gives you structure to explore different methods and the mental guidelines to better yourself. Techniques help to develop even further. These are fundamentals.

People who were born with more talent than others and refuse to train are still shitty compared to trained people with less talent.
Ask people in universities that have classical arts departments for your "proof". You don't need to be a special flower to draw.

>>742578615
thats an awesome drawing mate

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>>742573676
https://claralieu.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/ask-the-art-professor-is-drawing-considered-an-innate-talent-or-a-craft-which-can-be-learned-by-anyone/

https://landarchs.com/is-drawing-a-natural-talent/

Interesting topic. I am not an artist myself, but it would seem that art, like any skill, is a combo of inate ability, learning, and perserverance. This is not a zero sum game. Natural talent can be squandered, and weak ability can be fortified by hard work and dedication. Masters of a craft usually have all three. If op wants to learn about this subject instead of falling to conformation bias, look up some basic learning theory.

>>742581279
scientific data is personal experience you fucking mouth breathing moron jezus christ
you are a scathing indictment of how bad the schools have gotten
you need to be euthanized .

>>742581738
I sadly have to admit defeat.

>>742581938
>People who were born with more talent than others and refuse to train are still shitty compared to trained people with less talent.
This true, not just in art, but also in other areas: music, writing, etc.

>>742582065
>non-biased data

>>742573676
Only difference is people who can draw actually like to draw, which is how they got so much practice in the first place. I don't think you'll ever see someone who genuinely likes drawing and has been doing it for a few years not be at least decent at it.

This is the dumbest thread I have ever seen and I've been browsing /b/ for over a decade.

Literally every single person you've seen who can draw has learned how to the draw. Literally. Every. Single. One. It's a matter of practice.

>>742582135
damage control

>>742582035
I admit defeat. I have been proven wrong.

>>742582180
>Implying

>>742581681
>actually backs up her claims.
kek are you retarded?
The only claim on that image is it's a "Course"
No other claims are being made, yet THIS is potentially actual evidence?

>>742582174
oh boi...

>>742582232
>implying implications

I call B.S. I fucking sucked at art as a kid now I paint murals in hip restaurants and paint graffiti international. Hard work and practise and not listening to any of the haters... that shit works. Went to jail 4 times for art but kept with now I make bread.never question yourself and stay with it even if it kills you. Ig: Thebearable

>>742582235
>potentially be

>>742582150
>>Only difference is people who can draw actually like to draw
No, it's the other way around, when you're good at something, you tend to like it and do it more.

>>742582135
all scientific date is personal experience and the reason it would be none biased as you put it is because many people who are scientists all did the same experiments and came up with the same results.
you are just really uneducated and really have no life experience , you are going to have a sad life my friend.

>>742582405
>course in a book
>its has potential
>course at a college institution
>not evidence

autism logic

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>>742573676
i have to agree with this on the sole reason that i've been trying to draw/paint for years and nothing has come of it

>>742582466
Nah man, people who can draw also drew like shit when they were kids.

>>742573676
Have you ever met a kid that could draw well? Protip: they can't.

For any activity ever, when have you ever heard of someone picking something up and bring good at it? Baseball, drawing, music, anything.

You're a idiot

>>742582681
>course at a college institution
>not evidence

>never said this
>pulling things out of nowhere

>>742576342
I don't know anon, I have hit like 7000 hours of masturbation and I'm becoming pretty good in it.

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>>742582188
Now that thats out of the way, I am selling an original screen grab I captured. I normally sell these guys for $100 but you will buy for $200 right?

>>742582558
That is not to say confirmation bias doesn't exist, of course. That's why there's peer review.

>>742582908
>I might consider

>>742582692
>i have to agree with this on the sole reason that i've been trying to draw/paint for years and nothing has come of it
Now THAT is anecdotal.

>>742582884
glad you think college courses are evidence

/thread

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pic related is best i have ever done and i 'don't show any talent', i am 'uninspired' and 'unimaginative'

person who told me is senior at blizzard and it broke me to know the only person who thought i was good was me

>>742583001
anecdotes are the closest opinion to correct, gather anecdotes to make a study and you have answers

>>742573676
10,000 hours of doing anythi g makes you a pro at it. This is science. Just google.... 10000 hours and...skills? Something like that. Youll find some sources.

>>742583044
with factual non-biased evidence

>>742582963
Haha, since you are a good sport, this one is on the house. Just post a wall hanging if you make one.

>>742582558
again that statement is self negating , fuck now you are just being stupid because you wont accept that you have lost

>>742582845
Not true.

>>742582866
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55XYAxSUZV0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2DRhovPlD0

>>742583184
>anecdotes are the closest opinion to correct, gather anecdotes to make a study and you have answers
Or, you know, perform a controlled, scientific experiment.

The flaw in your thinking is that you aren't 'born' to do anything. You can learn any skill with enough practice, drawing is just learning to control the utensil to create an image.

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>>742573676
>be my sister
>full anti talent
>can't draw to save her life
>get into architecture high
>fukineedtodraw.png
>so 15 that can't even hold the pencil properly
>practice for hours every day
>just sit, draw, throw shit away and draw again
>aced high
>got into architecture university

No talent needed, just hard work.

>>742583307
first one is shitty airbrush 1:1 from photo's, not much more impressive than painting by numbers
the second kid literally took classes, it says so in the vid

>>742573676
>posts vitas pic

Do you think vitas could sing these high notes simply because he was born with? Nope he learned and practiced to reach this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSenveV5QP4

>>742583188
>"Gladwell's 10k hours thing has been refuted as bullshit many times."

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>>742573676
Why am I just seeing this video for the first time? How did I miss this?

>>742583527
that gif tho

Your fucking daft mate, babies scribble then learn to form shapes, maybe it's retards that had to learn to color in the lines rather than free expression is what fucked em

>>742573676
I heard childhood vaccines can make you an artist?

>>742583883
First thing in first folder that opened... Random gif.

>>742583856
source?

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>>742584112
pretty cool

>>742583756
[citation needed]

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>>742584246
I've never looked it up, but from a reverse image search, it says her name is ashe maree

>>742584334
Ty. Nice Pepe. Can I save it?

>>742583856
wat?
>saved
but still, wat?

>>742583527
just shows that talent makes it easier to learn, while some ppl cant find the determination to continue on

>>742584516
why not?

>>742584480
google.com
np

>>742576463
But they don't spend equal time doing it. After infant level art is often an optional class, and although an easy option for some with what you might think of as innate talent, some are there because they want a class with no right/wrong answers, others because they enjoy it despite not being good at it.

It's only the people that enjoy it, or are good at it that will persevere. Some people have an eye for reproduction, others for abstract, but someone who's art is readily forgotten and who receives no encouragement will rarely persevere. So even if there is talent it will lie dormant.

On the other hand people will always improve with time spent in practice or repetition to train the finer muscle memory. Technique is also an important part, to learn to achieve success with painting as an artistic example, most people need to be taught about shadow, light sources, perspective etc. Some autists/artists understand that at a deeper level, but of all art that is historically significant some were painted by schooled artists, some by savants. I would say that is sufficient proof to negate your premise.

Art also transcends style and to a lesser extent even the medium used. Some demonstrate more art using elephant dung than others with oils. But many of the artists we now study were shunned as artists in their time only to be historical object lessons in beauty being in the eye of the beholder, some centuries later.

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>>742584588
The screenshot from OPs post. I've never seen that before. I had to do a reverse image search and now I'm sad that this video hasn't been in my life for so many years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVj0ZTS4WF4

this guy started at his 20's from scratch and he was pure shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaNgLyPZMac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsKZJhd6D3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtyOac5sJxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ph-sW71aBk

>>742584826
Tsk.

>>742585004
oh
i tought you were talking about that gif
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>>742584606
She tried to teach me, but I really give 0 fucks about learning to draw. She says that there are just rules... I think that the book is named "draw what you see" or something that she recomended for me to start. She says that you just learn the rules and then sit and practice until you get acustomed to implementing them to your drawings and paintings wo thinking about it.


I can't speak about visual crap art. But if what you're saying is true it would be aplyable to music as well... And it doesn't apply at all.


Even so, if what you're saying is true and it needs talent, we'd need someone that was talented in our family as well so she could inherit it from someone... We're fourth generation of Engineers, so trust me, no art here.

>>742584826
Talking out of your ass, that's all you had to say.

>>742573676
What video is the picture of OP? I know I've seen it before, but I can't remember what exactly it was

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>>742585084
shit man, that's actually pretty inspiring to see the gradual improvements he has had. too bad my dreams of improving my drawing skills are long gone.

Some people are born with the ability to quickly learn skills like art or music, but they are still learned.

>>742583061
I'd wear it as part of an integral biotech tattoo.

>>742579244
My b, I have skitsophrenia, I actually get most of my constructive criticism on perspective, I'm getting better

>>742573676
for one unit of effort you get one unit of drawing gains
some brains get 1 unit for each effort
some get 10

I can run circles around people in IT and see them struggle when it's so easy for me, since I get it faster than them. Same goes for every skill science, music, drawing, sports

Eventually everyone could learn how to draw but for some their lifespan is too short given their measly gains for each effort exerted...

>>742585399
>>742585004

>>742585604
>Eventually everyone could learn how to draw but for some their lifespan is too short given their measly gains for each effort exerted...

Yep, and something else to factor in is that in order to get better at something you have to first master the skill of knowing how to correctly identify things you are doing wrong and correcting them. I taught music for many years, and I saw many kids who would just practice and practice mistakes, reinforcing bad habits. It was almost like they were doing it like they were grinding up skill ups on some MMO... thinking that if you just do it enough times you will magically get better.

>>742585285
>aplyable

>>742585399
some anon posted the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVj0ZTS4WF4

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>>742585263
Now that I reread what I posted, it does look like I'm talking about my own gif.

>>742585874
their brains did not happen to get wired for music then
I'm sure it could be overcome with time, effort but life is finite and the adjustment may take longer than they have to live