Why would anyone support the Far Left or the Far Right? They're

Really? Tyler Durden from Fight Club? He's an anti-establishment anarchist, and that's pretty fucking far left

Why do centrists think they're above the political spectrum when they're clearly on it

>>742142455
At least we aren't Antifa or the KKK.

>>742143130
You would condemn them for being "homicidal maniacs", and yet you are an anarchist? I am done here

>>742142455
It amazes me that people idolize Tyler Durden.

Like, were they reading/watching the same fucking Fight Club as the rest of us?

Quick question as a moderate that votes independently what's the best course of action to get brainwashed extremists on both sides to fuck themselves to death

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>>742142094
Well you're not wrong

>>742142094
I have never actually seen a march of communists or, really, anyone in government heavily connected to communist movements. Neither do I know of any communist attacks on American citizens any time recently.

I can't say the same for Nazi's.

>>742143367

No, they weren't, because they see Tyler as this "2edgy anti government guy". Just like Anonymous

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>>742143692
>I have never actually seen a march of communists or, really, anyone in government heavily connected to communist movements. Neither do I know of any communist attacks on American citizens

I know this is bait but fucking hell this is weak 0.5/10

>>742143289
I never said i was an Anarchist.

>>742143957
>inb4 blm

>>742143367
>>742143941
He's a fictional character, guys.

>>742142094
I use to support the left, but not anymore.

After seeing their protests, hearing their words, and even attending their rallies, the only difference between them and the right is what message they're screaming.

I keep asking "Okay, so we did the protest, what now?", the reply I always got was "We do it again, spread the message, bring awareness." I thought we were solving a problem, not just completing step one of solving a problem...

It's frustrating to know that you want to support these guys, and with some information that change is happening, it's just not enough to convince me progress is being made at the rate we need it.

>>742144122
the problem is how people use the image, anonymous used to be the typical anti gov face until many extreme lefties thought of themselves as some cool freedom fighters by being anarchists

I do agree with OP, it's just that we have to be careful with what influences people since many are quite easily influenced

>>742143957
inb4 you list a bunch of neoliberal groups/govt members and call them 'communists' because anyone the left with (or even without) a few cherrypicked marxist views is apparently a commie

>>742142455
> anti-establishment anarchist, and that's pretty fucking far left
It's a macho men's club of beating the shit out of other and nihilism. How the hell do you figure that's left?

>>742144512
Did you even read the book? Or even watch the film, pretty sure Project Mayhem and half of Tyler's huge monologues about industrialism and government are still in there

>>742143957
List some, m8.

>>742144642
What makes that leftist? There are even more on the right who hate the fucking government than the left, and anti-commercialism and shit is also on the right. You don't think militias and survivalists and so on are hippies, do you?

>>742144301
The problem with the far left is that the "problems" that they think they want to solve a make-believe. Minorities and women already have things handed to them on a platter just for being who they are in America and left-wing idiots are crying for more.

>>742144809
Anarchism is inherently left wing, unless you're one of those Anarcho-capitalism nutters

>>742144712
Every antifa march ever.

Also, fuck you.

>>742145081
they are never happy with other people virtue signalling them, it's the oppressed olympics

Like when a videogame or a movie has forced women or black or gay characters and they still bitch about now being enough in number, or not being good enough

It's like they always had the mentality of "you have done well my servants, but there is a long road ahead"

>>742145265
not* being enough

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>>742144089
>>742144382
>>742144712
What's the retort shills?

>>742145156
Only in a very reductive sense. Anarchism in a theoretical sense is usually considered left wing these days, but anarchism in the sense of armed thugs or rioting is usually considered more right wing.

>>742145156
anarchism is inherently non-political or anti-political. ever hear of a dictionary?

>>742145081
>>742145265
You are truly a fool if you think the special privileges awarded to minorities and women in the west outweigh the social/economic deprivation and general treatment by the masses they suffer. You live in a make believe world. In the real world, there are people that by right of their birth will never be able to enjoy the freedoms you do, but you will always look at cherrypicked articles from your computer screen and decide that equality already exists.

>>742145226
>antifa
>communism
What are you smoking? They're cultural marxists at best, and even then not really

>>742145627
Depends on where. The European versions seem more hardcore socialist.

>>742145627
>cultural marxists at best
oy vey

>>742145577
>you live in a make believe world
>always look at cherrypicked articles
>oh god
>projecting this hard

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>>742145577
kek

OP here, you Antifa fags are the biggest retards ever, hypocritical, ignorant, violent. You all should really Heaven's Gate yourselves.

>>742145860
You have closed your eyes to the experiences of those who live around you, even your own friends and family. You think they're all liars, or they're exaggerating. You have no idea what it's like to be them, yet you are so very sure they live in paradise.

>>742146325
>implying my friends and family don't have similar experiences as me

Try harder

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>>742146304
why do the Both Sides Are Wrong™ folk only come out when it's right wingers causing violence and mayhem

>>742146472
Because that's when everyone won't shut the hell up about it on either side and pisses people like me off.

Is this thread dead?

>>742142094

There's no such thing as "far left" in the first world. To believe that there is an "equivalent" on the left to the disgusting subhuman filth on the far right is nothing but an appeal to moderation, which is a logical fallacy.

The "left" is moderate right. The RIGHT are the malfunctioning, subhuman trash of this world. People don't just see them as Nazis. They actually fucking ARE Nazis.

>>742146582

>muh either side

No. There are people and there are anti-American, anti-modern, anti-science hate mongering Nazi garbage.

>>742143957

99.999% of everyone the rightwing nut jobs have ever accused of being "commies" are not, nor have ever been supporters of Communism, Socialism, etc. it's nothing but a misguided, moronic, uneducated "catchall" insult for anyone that's intended to shut down dialog and discourse.

>>742143610
Apparently it's voting for Trump. Look at the whats going down. All because some nationalist scumbag who beats his disabled mother and has to take pills to control his temper lost a fight and decided to get revenge by running people over. No other group would have encouraged him to come out and given him weapons to play with. Well a shield at least.

>>742143692
It's really only become a thing in this country recently. It's the politics of extremism. One side feeds the other.

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>>742142094
Nazis are also far left. National SOCIALISM. Any socialism is far left. Socialist systems are those with centralized, all inclusive and all pervasive governments.

The "far right" is libertarianism. The Nazi versus communist war is an intramural battle between two leftist systems.

The left has truly won if everyone thinks they must choose between extreme leftist version A or extreme leftist version B. This is a false alternative.

>>742148032

>Nazis
>left

FUCK you're stupid. Like, 'I'm embarrassed for your family to have to sustain your retarded ass' stupid.

Nazis are FASCISTs. Fascism is the pinnacle of authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is the value that makes one rightwing. Therefore, Nazis are were and have always been the farthest right you can go.

They CALLED themselves "soshliszts" as a COVER for their real motivations and so stupid people would be complicit with them in the early stages.

They are exactly as socialist as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic of and by the people.

>>742148626
Since Stalinism and another forms of communism is also the pinnacle of authoritarianism, would you say they were extreme right?

>>742142094
So you didn't bake your feelings into a cake?

>>742148739

True communism is leftwing. Corrupt, dictatorial communism is just more fascism pretending.

Communism has never been attained because of the inherent power greed and corruption it is susceptible to. It's largely a Utopian concept that isn't really viable in any way if implemented by human-based governments.

>>742142094
You're right OP, it's easy to pick a side when one more often than not discriminates against you.
My solution, withdraw from society. Go to work/ run a business, make money, socialise if need be but slowly leave abandon the corrupt system.

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>>742142094
>KKK are musilm of america.
they attack by car and truck.
Killing in church.

>>742148996

Not Muslims.

Retarded religious extremists in general.

KKK is 99.9999% Christian/evangelical. They're all capable of disgusting violence.

>>742148626
Looks like you missed basic political philosophy class when you dropped out early of jerkwater community college.

Like the man said, any large scale governmental system, whether communist or fascist, is by definition leftist. The opposite of fascism or communism is a minimalist government, which is that one espoused by libertarianism.

Stop being a fucking moron, fucking moron.

>>742142094
....okay but to be fair, it isnt just the left that sees nazis....we literally are seeing nazis in the streets, neo nazis at least, from every angle and side of the political spectrum.
Shitty example you edgy fuck

>>742142455
The political spectrum is a circle. Everyone has some beliefs that fall on it in some form. A centralist just realizes that limiting yourself to one part or the other is like eating only sweets and no savory foods. Just aren't getting the full picture.

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>>742149099

Uni graduate with honors here, retard.

>fascism and communism are leftist
>only variant named that's modern is right

Cute how you think you get to redefine everything just to claim the rightwing are the moderates.

Again, FUCK you're stupid.

>>742148032

So are you claiming the Neo-Nazis and Nazi sympathizers who are infesting the US right now are leftists?

PLEASE tell that to them. The results will be fucking priceless.

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>>742149099
>politically centrist policy is minimal government

>>742145081
>>742144809
>>742145156
>>742148739
This is what happens when you turn political movements into football teams and everybody carries on rooting for the labels of "left" or "right" without even being able to agree on what they mean.

>>742147526
Keep thinking that you aren't being manipulated retard, 99.999% that support antifa blm etc, are oblivious of what they are pushing towards. Self righteous morons that will inevitably destroy the west if they keep falling for soros b8

>>742142455
>He's an anti-establishment anarchist
He's a delusion + he never ever spewed political agenda. You you're just full of shit smartass.

>>742147275
>There is nothing as "Far left" in the first world.

Bombings,stabbings and general violence is moderate.

>>742149952

>soros

Nigger, YOU are the one being manipulated and YOU are the b8.

Why do you think it's the right that is CONSISTENTLY uneducated, anti-science, anti-intellectual and anti-academic?

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>>742142094
The problem is the same people who put trump in office are the same ones who put obama in office so calling all trump supporters nazis in a misnomer and an ad hoc insult. The people considered alt-right today were called the hipsters and leftist 5 years ago the problem is that the left has gotten so insane and hippocritical that it has no base to defend itself other than calling all opposition nazis or supremasists. When in reality most "conservatives" today are just rational and logical individuals who see though the bullshit agenda of the rich masking themselves as "freedom fighting hippies" when they're really trying to silence the masses in order to bring on a corporate dictatorship.

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>>742150097
Can you unironically kys fbi-chan

>>742143692
That's because even the commies realized communism doesn't work and just moved on to free markets and capitalism.
What you have left is pricks that casually call every single social policy communism, while they are dying from easily curable diseases or going bankrupt in the process.
At least you're not giving all of your money to the government, because that would be communism'n'stuff.

>>742150085

Our "left" is right of center.

Our right is infested with extremist insane uneducated, violent subhuman nutters. They also err on the side of theocratic authoritarian where it comes to personal liberties.

>>742150263

>unironically posting Ben Garrison comics

No, no. YOU kill YOURself, you retarded faggot.

>>742144344
Oh goddammit, forget Tyler Durden and learn to read. The picture is nailing the current situation, not the nature of the character in the lower picture. This is exactly why things go by you, you're focusing on bullshit.

>>742149588
Graduate student with MA in philosophy here. You're wrong as well as being a retard. Read Robert Nozick to BEGIN to understand what the fuck you're talking about. In political philosophy, left versus right is determined by the political system's necessary governmental size. Large centralized systems are left; minimalist governmental systems are right. This is such an elementary, basic principle of political philosophy, I can only surmise you are a middle come school student failing middle school.

STFU and GTFO so the adults can discuss without interference from your autistically screeching.

>>742142094

These aren't necessarily the far left and the far right, maybe extreme examples. But you could easily argue that most of the people in the middle are there because they have no real political beliefs or interests. You're toeing the line to not have to commit to anything. If we were all as noncommital as the center than nothing would ever get done. Think about it, if you're a liberal how would centrists have ever stood up for civil rights. If you're a conservative, how would a undecided centrist have ever decided to go to war or stop the spread of terrorism/communism/whateverotherism. The pendulum swings two ways for a reason and the far left and far right aren't simply the KKK and antifa, there are a lot of nonracist people who believe in heavy conservative values and a lot of nonidiotic children who believe in bring equality to people and improving their pay/way of life. Too many people have placed everyone in a box and allowed groups like these to flourish under the guise of "alt-right" or "progressive" when they're really just cunts hiding behind the rest of us to even survive. Hope I helped.

>>742150389
Your down syndrome is showing

>>742149675
It's a well known fact, historically and philosophically.

>>742147275
Exactly, america does not have a "left". Democrats are something we would consider the retarded right (party led by a cult of personality) in my country.

>>742150470
Military industry like a society in internal warfare. Its good for business.

>>742148032
>Any socialism is far left
Oh no, it's retarded. :(

>>742142094
both left and right in my country support universal heath care for all, I feel sorry for you guys in the usa, you're fucked at the moment

but I really like the usa I hope shit gets better for you

>>742149099
Lol. The right actually pushes for totalitarianism. Originally, the right was in favour of the king (totalitarian rule) and the left was for progress.

The real difference between the left and right is progress vs stagnation.

Although, the black and white dichotomy in politics is retarded.

>>742150998
I know it makes you feel smart to pull shit from your ass and toss around cliches, but political philosophy is actually a real thing and has been around for 2500 years, from Plato to Hobbes to Locke to Machiavelli to Mill to Marx to Rawls to Nozick, etc.

The "right" encompasses that class of systems which espouse a minimalist (very small) government. Thus, it is a contradiction to say "the right pushes for totalitarianism," since no totalitarian government can exist where there is (nearly) no government in the first place.

This is why you see totalitarian dictators in states that call themselves communist and in states that call themselves fascist, because both are all encompassing all pervasive governmental systems, i.e. leftist systems.

>>742151606
> pull shit from your ass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(French_Revolution)

You might want to check some facts before you make a fool out of yourself.

>>742142094
>tfw to intelligent

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>>742152083
>make a fool of yourself

>links to Wikipedia article ( middle school level source material)

>article contains nothing relevant to the debate having to do with "left" "right" or political philosophy.

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>>742142094
>calling Hitler a right winger.
wew lad

>>742151606
You are lying. The right consists of Libertarian, who push for smaller government, but also conservatives, who push for restrictive government. Not all right-wing people are Libertarian. Authoritarian systems occur on both the right and the left, because it's measured on a different axis, up and down rather than left and right. Communism is left-wing authoritarianism, fascism is right-wing authoritarianism.

>>742152537
>links to Wikipedia article ( middle school level source material)

Why did I know, you're going to say this? Literally every uneducated retard says the same thing. Do you really lack any semblance of critical thought?
Oh and here's another more relevant link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum

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>>742152787
LMAO -- is your dank meme courtesy of /pol/tardia?

Hitler was a LEFTISTS, only one hair different from Stalin. Both were murderous dictators that brought their respective nations to ruination, though Hitler was far dumber than Stalin, as evidenced by his short-lived fuckup of a joke of a country.

"Far Right" really just means opposing immigration and multiculturalism. So there you go, thats why people support it.

The part about beating people is just stupid, unless you are talking about antifa.

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>>742148626
They CALLED themselves "soshliszts" as a COVER for their real motivations and so stupid people would be complicit with them in the early stages.

Lets call a suffering nation stupid to just get rid of the "everyone just voted to solve the problems to feed themselves" and not look at the societal ills that Germany was facing at the time.

Socialism doesn't equate to the mainstream Marxism assumption of Socialism. Rather it be the socialism of the state that is natural, almost closer to tribalism, only on a national scale.

>They are exactly as socialist as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic of and by the people.

Again, calling National Socialists "socialists" looking from a left-leaning telescope. and a misinformed ignorant mindset. Authoritarianism is a step to achieving the organic Fascist state. Being totalitarian is more of the Communist game. North Korea is more Soviet/NazBol in nature.

>>742142455
This is true. To really be free, you have to let go of the notion of government completely. Organized religion and the monetary system as well. 3 evils

Communists and Fascists are not the same just because they happen to both be authoritarian, this horseshoe shit is retarded.

>>742152912
Yes, both libertarians who want a minimalist government and conservatives who want a restrictive (still small) government are on the political right.

By definition, totalitarianism can only exist where the government is TOTAL, i.e. all encompassing and all pervasive. Fascism is one such system; communism is another such system.

Thus, there can be no authoritarian/totalitarian system where there is not a governmental structure that is large enough to enforce it, i.e. there can be no such thing as a "right-wing" authoritarian system.

It's like saying "round square" or "married bachelor."

You can criticize the right for some other reason, but NOT that it incurs the risk of dictators.

Radical freedom is a scary thing for people, but that's what the right holds paramount.

Take a political philosophy class, and stop getting your opinions from 5th rate online personality tests or bumperstickers.

>>742152954
I have an MA in political philosophy. How about you, faggot?

me thinks you're the uneducated fool.

do you even understand how wikipedia works? Anyone can author a wikipage.

Read Robert Nozick, then get back to me after you realize what a buffoon you are.

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>>742153001
bada bing.

>not even from /pol/.

I'm not going to argue his decisions based on the situations he was in or in fact put himself into. He set Germany straight and for 12 years, 6 were in peace and 6 in war. The time spent in war and "muh holocaust" is the main focus in leftist academia.

>>742150027
He did nothing but spew political agenda, he was a side of The Narrator that loathed himself because he understood that he was just a product of capitalism but wasn't able to help himself

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>>742153001
CONFIRMED.

like a fucking FoxNews baby-boomer high on Amerikkka, land of circumcised dicks and high fructose corn syrup.

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>>742153422
bada boom, faggot.

(From The Library of Economics and Liberty)
In The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics, Sheldon Richman succinctly states: “As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.” He contends that socialism seeks to abolish capitalism outright, while fascism gives the appearance of a market-based economy, even though it relies heavily on the central planning of all economic activities. According to authors Roland Sarti and Rosario Romeo, “[U]nder Fascism the state had more latitude for control of the economy than any other nation at the time except for the Soviet Union.”

Interestingly, Mussolini found much of John Maynard Keynes’s economic theories consistent with fascism, writing: “Fascism entirely agrees with Mr. Maynard Keynes, despite the latter’s prominent position as a Liberal. In fact, Mr. Keynes’ excellent little book, The End of Laissez-Faire (l926) might, so far as it goes, serve as a useful introduction to fascist economics. There is scarcely anything to object to in it and there is much to applaud.”

…As the effects of the Great Depression lingered, Italy’s government promoted mergers and acquisitions, bailed out failing businesses and “seized the stock holdings of banks, which held large equity interests.” The Italian state took over bankrupt corporations, cartelized business, increased government spending, expanded the money supply, and boosted deficits. The Italian government promoted heavy industry by “nationalizing it instead of letting the companies go bankrupt.”

Look at the actions, not the words of a fuckup faggot like sHitler.

Also, go read _Liberal_Fascism_, a good book explaining the near identicalness of communism and sHitler's fascism.

sHitler turned to war because his mismanagement of Germany was driving it to catastrophe.

He was, literally, the most retarded fuckup ever to receive the astonishing good luck to take power.

But, dumb is as dumb does.

>>742153422
>Hitler
>Not-Marxist

I supposed you'd care to explain why Hermann Rauschning, an anti-communist conservative revolutionary literally high tailing it to America ASAP and renouncing Nazism after recording several conversations he had with Hitler

>>742153593
Doesn't that make you feel like shit to know that the leftism you endorse is the same leftism that sHitler endorsed?

Calling me names doesn't make the truth go away, sadsack.

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>>742142094
Disavow the mainstream meteor.

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>>742142094
Nothing is as loathsome or murderous as the leftist.

Leftists are necessarily also Statists, the most vile of political ideologies. Some - but not many - in the right are also Statist scum. Individualism, self-reliance and self-determination are the hallmarks of the right.

>>742144382
It's literally what everyone just barely on the left does to people that are just slightly less leftist than them.
Calling them Nazis because they aren't as left as them.

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>>742153085
do you even know the history of communism? they opposed immigration and multiculturalism.

yeah, really.

>>742154095
The right is known for its violence, the left is often attacked by conservatives for preferring peace.

>>742153409
>I have an MA in political philosophy. How about you, faggot?
Oh, a professional shit mixer. Didn't realize that, especially from someone commiting the most basic of logical fallacies.

>do you even understand how wikipedia works? Anyone can author a wikipage.
Yes, that's why I'm not spewing this kind of retarded shit. I can actually check the sources for myself. What's more, I'm educated, I can actually tell wether a relevant wiki article factual or not. I've provided a factual article, but you're deflecting it with a lazy logical fallacy, again.

>Read Robert Nozick, then get back to me after you realize what a buffoon you are
Quite irrelevant to what we're talking about.

I have a feeling you don't really have a MA in political philosophy. But then again, you might be American, which would explain the cognitive dissonance and lack of basic education.

>>742153001
You are simply lying. He was firmly in the upper-right. If nazis were leftists, why are american nazis voting for Trump?

>>742154563
of course, and all of those bad men who took over entire countries in military coups and then subsequently murdered large portions of the population for peacefully being against their socialist movement were on the right

>>742154633
So Hitler was a capitalist then?

>>742152787
Oh those lovable libertarians, thinking the invisible hand of the free market will somehow magically fix anything.

They just forgot about that little thing called "human nature" which guarantees that the market can be easily controlled by people with money, greed, and marketing, and will end up doing the exact opposite of what they want.

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>>742154610
>I'm educated

= 4 years of community college, but 8 unites shy of an AA

or whatever the eurotrash equivalent of that would be.

you're not knowing how/why Robert Nozick is relevant to political philosophy is tantamount to admitting you don't know jack diddly shit.

you sunk yourself, faggot. go away and let the big boys talk.

>>742154633
we already covered this:

>742153688

Nazis are leftists. Keep repeating until it sinks in.

Libertarians are right wing. THAT's what right looks like.

>>742154942
Unlike a lefty, power-loving, pretentious politician. More power to them.

>>742155065
not true. show your sources retard. you don't understand or comprehend the political spectrum.

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>>742154942

Human nature drives the invisible hand, dumbfuck. Human nature is the drive for self-interest. In a free-market system, self-interest results in competition, in the labor market and among enterprises. This competition produces efficient markets.

It would help your misunderstanding if you studied game theory.

Communists/socialists are the ones who get human nature wrong. They assume people are naturally driven to be cooperative and work together. This erroneous assumption caused the deaths of nearly 100 million people in China during Mao's "great leap forward."

stop being a fucktard.

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>>742155212
https://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0767917189

https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

etc.

>>742155065
Libertarians are lower right-wing. Nazi's are fascist, which is upper right-wing. Repeating your lie won't work, I'm not a Trump-cuck like you that swallows bullshit so long as it's constantly repeated. I correct liars like you.

>>742155149
You mean like Sanders? Who are you talking about, the conservative Hilary, or the centrist Obama?

>>742155232
Dumb comment, communism wasn't the cause, it was mao's craziness which killed millions of people through his stupid reforms.

>>742155530
All lefties are for big gov. "master minds". All you libs know is weak ass propaganda.

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>>742155482
OK, YOUR only source appears to be some dumbfuck children's site like politicalcompass.org

That's made-up shit thrown together by idiots trying to generate traffic to a website.

Once again, political philosophy is a real thing. I have a degree in it. It's been around for 2500 years.

Go read Plato's Republic, Hobbes' Leviathan, Rawl's Theory of Justice, and Nozick's Anarchy, State, and Utopia... THEN we'll have a discussion where you don't come off looking like a crushed cockroach.

>>742155682
the entire world laughs at americans with their stupid and reduced political spectrum of liberal/conservatives, grow up amerfags.

>>742143367
>Thinking most people have actually read the book

>>742155604
You... you really shouldn't be calling others dumb.

>>742155604
communism provides the framework by which a totalitarian dictator could have such power; Mao's policies were communists policies. He quite literally said: "People, go farm the fields and work in the factories! Everyone will share, taking just what they need!"

Result, no one worked in the fields or factories. Then, 100 million starved.

Read the history of communism in China. Are you really that much a dumbfuck you don't know this shit?

>>742155844
Unlike your spectrum of left and far-left

>>742155844
America laughs at Eurodumpster with its 400 micro-factions collectively getting nothing done ever. There's a reason you stagnate while America out-produces and out-competes the world on every level.

>>742145081
That's funny because my black ass hasn't had shit handed to me. Yeah, my mom was on section 8, but that also came with an intrusive inspection from the government every year. And being black did help get into college, but I sure as fuck had to work my ass off. I still had to keep my grades up. It wasn't like I could chill and get pussy all day and play video games, and stroll into class whenever I felt like it. You know what else, WIC/EBT/Food Stamps, or whatever. You should be more upset that the government allows obesity diabetic causing foods to be approved purchases. That you can buy a sugar filled birthday cake, because that shit has flour in it, and flour is an approved food item. Which in turn is just one huge fucking welfare check for the corporate farming industry, supermarkets etc etc.

>>742143610
>what's the best course of action to get brainwashed extremists on both sides to fuck themselves to death

Having some pop corn and wait for it to happen.

>>742155950
By saying that it actually provides a framework, that doesn't make it true, If you can specifically explain which characteristic of marxism and comunism I would really want to hear them

>>742156033
To be fair our government (US) never gets shit done either. The politicians are too busy fighting like overgrown children.

>>742142094
Not true.

Left sees nazis everywhere.
The problem with left isn't being communist or anything, but being violent, intolerant, ingorant cunts who enjoy a massive media bias in their favor.

>>742155809
You are so backed into a corner that your only argument is to tell me to read a list of books that have nothing to do with charting the spectra of modern policy? This is a standard propaganda tactic of trying to end a conversation instead of dealing with issues. What does Plato have to do with charting Hitler's implemented policies?

>>742156033
lol america is totally not divided in fucking 52 states which have different laws even concerning everyday things, criminal and educational structure, so americans can't trashtalk europeans for having a decentralized system when their's is actually worse.

>>742156045
>That's funny because my black ass hasn't had shit handed to me.
>And being black did help get into college

>>742156336
>52 states

>>742155990
Is common for you to have an opinion of other without a fucking clue about their ideas? It is obvious by you comments that you separate the entire spectrum with two words. Instead of doing it by the ideas they agree with you classify them by the political party and friends and environment which is really stupid.

>>742156130
You have to differentiate between the pie-in-the-sky dream of Marxism and the reality that results every time it is attempted and implemented.

Marxism requires that everyone belong to the government and that the government include everyone. It is a total government system. There is nothing that is not the state. There is only value in working for the collective good.

Communist say that, while a decentralized, distributive system of shared power is the goal, there must be a centralized system in place until people are no longer "alienated."

The centralized system without checks and balances, without competing political parties, inevitably leads to a singular person with paramount authority. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, Castro, Kim Jung Un, etc.

Because of "human nature," the centralized power structure never ceases or gives way to anything else, until it is forcibly toppled.

>>742156429
>>52 states
>52 brain cells

>>742142094
Divide the working class and have then fighting eachother. Then they wont when notice when their rights and wages get stripped one law at a time. Greetings/ Late Stage Capitalism.

>>742142094
I remember when I was going through puberty.

>>742156188
you asked for sources, I gave you sources. big books scare you, I'm sure.

Meanwhile, you prefer children's sites, where you are obviously getting your retarded "upper left" and "lower right" terminology, which does not exist IRL political philosophy.

I ask again, Mr.backed-into-a-corner, WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES?

I have a degree in this topic. you are an undegreed retard who got off the leash.

>>742156336
State's right means more individual freedom. Decentralization is good.

>>742156587
>hurr im wrong and have no response but if i use an insult no one will notice
kys

>>742156336
"better" or "worse" is proven empirically by the success of the system. Eurotrashia is stagnant, unproductive, running on financial fumes, and fading like the setting sun.

Hey, at least you can read about the good old days in that dusty history book, amiright??

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>>742142455
>>742142094
>>742143130
>>742143289
>>742143367
>>742143610

the real, and most pertinent question is - how do we profit off this mass american stupidity?

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>>742145156
>Anarchism is inherently left wing
>Somehow a system that is about no government registers as being about government.

Literally what.

>>742145454
>anarchism in the sense of armed thugs or rioting is usually considered more right wing.
whut are you on anon. I want some.

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>>742154563
It's cute what morons believe.

Too bad it's often dangerous as well..

>>742156552
>"inevitably leads to a singular person with paramount authority"
Marxism does not require everyone to belong to the government, it's main objective is to socialize production means, in some way our governments already do that, but only when the market "needs" it, that is the problem, those who own production means not only have the control over their workers so helps and rights are not the same for all workers but private companies also receive money from the state when needed, so the state let companies rule how they want and gives them money? If they can control their companies freely thy should also have responsibilities for their actions and go bankrupt if it's their fault.

>>742156760
that's what I am trying to tell the guy who said
>"Eurodumpster with its 400 micro-factions collectively getting nothing done ever. "

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>>742156760
This nigga gets it

>what are laboratories or democracy

>>742157020
Have you actually read Marx, esp. the Manifesto?

You are either dissembling or ignorant.

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e. of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible. . .
[We propose] centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. . . .
Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. . . .
Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, particularly for agriculture."

This is not an "opt-in/out" system where private industry can co-exist with a communist government. Where has that ever happened IRL?

Here's some more rope to hang yourself, fool.

>>742156797
Europe has problems of course, but that does not make america great. And better or worse I define it by how well people live not how markets are going. In europe almost every country has free healthcare and education(free college or sub 2000€/year in some countries), when in america there are people actually dying because they can't afford it, and you tell me america is "better"? No reason would make me go to america instead of europe if I'm middle/low class, yeah rich people live the american dream but those are reduced very little individuals.

why would anyone favor any form of politics at all? it's just a reason for stupid people to argue about who's the smartest...
>left-leaning, right-wing socialists
>right-leaning, left-wing communists

>>742157405
you just graduated high school didn't you. Holy shit I can tell you're young. Means I'm getting old.

>>742157086

How dumb are you?

You criticized America for having just two main political ideologies/parties. I countered by pointing out that Europe's hundreds of political microfactions results in political paralysis.

You responded with a numerically wrong statement about US states having different laws. This has nothing to do with political factions.

The EU has just one, large governmental body, which is anything BUT "decentralized," yet the EU has countless political factions.

Apples and oranges.

Damn, your educational system has failed miserably.

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>>742142094

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This is my political view, would it be considered right or left?

>>742157405
EU "free" healthcare stinks (which is why wealthy europeans come to America for medical treatment), and death panels exist to deny medical treatment to those deemed an excessive burden.

There is nothing "free." It comes at a cost, and just because you don't want to acknowledge those cost, that doesn't mean they aren't there and deleterious.

>>742157614
i would call you sane

>>742157405
>free healthcare and education
kek

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I'm a white black supremacist

>>742157653
Your actually retarded

>>742157904
>your
Calling other people retarded.

>>742157391
what marx wrote was relative to the structure of the 19th century, you take it word to word of course you can't make the transition right now. We all agree everyone should have the access to healthcare and education right? When the actual system is not protecting those rights, the state should provide them. When people are starving and education levels declining, due to the crisis which reduces what the state can provide, but it the other hand there are billions of dollars spent on helping private companies that ask for total freedom when it comes to decisions but also for financial help, is that a fair system? While big fortunes are increasing, the rest of the people is more poor every day. Now tell me how good these systems work.

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>>742157653
sure

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>>742157653

>Why would anyone support the Far Left or the Far Right?
autism. No, really. They ignore reality and come to conclusions based on a handful of axioms

>>742158048
>how well these systems work.

Fixed it for you anon.

>>742142094
saved

>>742158692
If that's the only thing you can fix, I take it as compliment.

>>742158198
you're still a fucking pussy.

>>742158868
wow, I'm impressed by your well thought and original arguments. If you have any useful idea to add to the conversation, I would be happy to hear them, if not you can get your ignorant ass out of this thread.

>>742142094
You do realize the "far right" doesn't exist anymore, right? It's just the term leftists like to throw out to refer to anyone who disagrees with their dumbass ideas.
I say this as lolbertarian.

>>742142455
just checking in letting you know that i know you are cointel

have a nice day boys

>>742158198
Basic healthcare in the EU might be better than in the US, but the second you need anything more specialized than the most basic care you have to wait for months on end to get anywhere, and the bureaucracy will fight you every second of it, too.

>>742158198
Where in the hell did you find that fairytale? In Canada hospitals are shutting down, emergency room waiting times are insane, shortage of doctors/nurses. Our "free" healthcare is a joke, you get what you pay for.

>>742150117
That picture is so stupid. Antifa honestly think they're the good guys and some mind of saviours. Talk about the biggest retards on earth

>>742159205
You are wrong, at least where I live (basque country) you have almost every life-threatening treatment covered and you almost never have to wait. Are you saying that american healthcare is the ultimate model? Overpriced and unfair, when you take something vital as healthcare and throw it to the free market, things like that happen as to other sectors. Privatizing healthcare is for sure not the solution.

Throughout the entire presidential campaign. Bernie fags went to Trump rallies and picked fights. You never saw it the other way around. And obviously the media doesn't show it since they're the corrupt media and are a bunch of leftists retards. If a guy wearing a MAGA hat went to a Bernie or Hillary rally the msm would be on that shit covering it 24/7 talking about "this is trumps america"

>>742159228
Hockey stick surgical instruments, bacon transplant, etc.

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>>742159228
So you are generalizing what may happen in some places of canada with the entire healthcare of europe? Are you suggesting that even if americans pay almost 3 times what a european does, the situation is better there? Nop.

>>742142094
I'm not far left, but I'd rather side with those loons at times then the side who moreso sides with White terrorists.

>>742159613
White terrorists? In what way? You wanna side with antifa that go around burning down cars and destroying property. What a fucking idiot you are

>>742142094
This is a rather uneducated assessment. The far right wants to get rid of people who doesn't fit in the exact demographic group the far right subscribes to.

The far left wants to get rid of the far right for wanting to get rid of so many people. See the difference ?

>>742159699
>White terrorists? In what way?

In the way that they killed a white woman and injured 19 people with a car 3 days ago.

That's called domestic terrorism.

>>742156819
Well idk about that but shit I would want you to post more of that slut

>>742159607
I'm not "generalizing" anything, im saying that chart is full of shit and does not accurately represent the state of healthcare in Canada. I don't give a fuck about murica or Europe.

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>>742158236
So rich people spend more on health care.

Who woulda thunk it?

Idiot

>>742159778
Yeah cause antifa aren't going around hitting people with bikelocks and have attempted murder right? They don't use violence to get their message across? Sounds like a terrorist group to me. Fuck off

Have you considered you only ever hear or read about the most visible, the most aggressive specimen on both sides ? Most people don't wear their political opinions on their sleeves, and even of those who do, relatively few act like homicidal maniacs.

I'm a far leftist. Unless the conversation organically turns to political discussion, I wouldn't mention it. And I wouldn't dream of being aggressive towards someone just because they don't share my opinions.

And most of the people I know who share my political opinions wouldn't, either.

I expect it's the same on the other side of the spectrum.

>>742159556
Trudeau is a cocksmoker, gives 10mil to a fucking convicted murderer and terrorist. Someone needs to put 2 in his chest and one in his head.

>>742159832
I may be crazy but you are rating canadian healthcare compared to what, I'm sure that a international study which collects information from various sources and analyzes the data is a better representation of the situation that your subjective experience. I'm not saying that canadian healthcare is perfect, no healthcare to this date is perfect but in my opinion letting the state regulate healthcare and making sure everyone gets it is a step in the right direction instead of privatizing it and turning your head when only the high class can afford it. Can we at least agree on that?

>>742159699
Because that compares to someone ramming their cars into people, the same political spectrum who actually have shot up abortion clinics & cops. The same spectrum who historically lynched & burned down Black churches.

No, what an idiot YOU are.

>>742160098
Canadian, it's pretty nice out here, not a lot of refugees, tons of drunk Indians though, not native Americans, just drunk Indians.

>>742160144
Lmfao, when liberals think they can't do wrong, that's when I grab my gun for protection, if they can't distinguish between right and wrong then they can't fully function in society.

>>742160059
"Oh hey canadians I'm not gonna serve your interest no. Instead imma ooen the borders for everyone and have the fastest changing browning demographic of white country out there. Also imma legalize beasitality. Wooooo diversity"

>>742159944
>antifa
Because there's an official group called ANTIFA who goes around doing shit. Random loose canons who tend to be violent at times < Folks who subscribe to a specific racist group which has been historically violent & buys into those violent tendencies from time to time.

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>>742160144
The car scene was once. And everything that you mentioned was a long ass time ago. Talk about recent you cunt. Its pretty obvious that youre a communist scumbag

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>>742160356
Yeah the only times that antifa are violent are when they're loose canons sure whatever you say take a look at the G20 event and seattle a couple days ago when antifa rioted. "Oh but uuuuh the kkk did something over 50 years ha, checkmate loser"

>>742160098
See you think I'm talking about MY personal experiences when I'm talking about what I see,hear,read. State funded and run healthcare is a good thing yes, sub par service is not. People have died in waiting rooms and hallways because of lack of proper staffing. Would you be happy if someone said they'd wash your car for free but instead brought it back half done? "But it was free and that's good"...yeah, how about do it right?

>>742160323
And people think Trump is bad, someone really needs to end that French faggot. Oh he did do one good thing, legal weed.

>>742160391
>>742160538

Several cop deaths that the right claimed was done by "EXTREME LEFTIES" was actually shared many who were in the extreme right which I mentioned right there, abortion clinic shootings which I also mentioned was also not that long ago. Church shooting also wasn't that long ago. White guy who shot a PA trooper while grounded in White supremacy wasn't that long ago.

>Sees the same fuckwads who yells "That was 50 years ago" celebrate USA independance from centuries ago & salute a constitution that was also structured centuries ago yet fails to see how racism also carried itself thru the years as racists re-post lynching images continually on here

>>742160561
I agree with you, there are still some flaws and we should work together to fix them. But compared to 50 years ago and other countries we are almost in heaven.

>>742160632
Outside of america, everyone laughs when someone says how good trump is. You really have to be blind to believe that.

>>742160823
Canada needs to do something about dental coverage, there is a well known and documented link between bad teeth/bad health but rates for dentists are so ridiculous that most can't afford it (even with benefits)

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>>742149266
LE EPIC ENLIGHTENED CENTRIST XDDDD

As for OP, sage. Obvious b8.

>>742160941
I didn't say Trump was good, read much?

>>742161025
I didn't say you did

>>742143367
They admire Brad Pitt's physique and have a daydream they are not actually pale white skin-sacks of 300lb of fat

>>742161153
Are you retarded? Not trying to hate, just curious.

>>742162521
I don't think so but I've never been tested, and no one has treated me as such.

>>742156919
i remember seeing a video where this retard said trump could be impeached for "starting the crooked hillary rumor."
you can't make this shit up.
hope she gets ovarian cancer and dies in a house fire.

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>>742149099
>>mfw he's never heard of a Capitalist Dictatorship

You'd best be trolling, faggot.

Otherwise kys

>>742158048
karl marx lived off the wealth of his friend, friedrich angels, so of course he would write something as bullshit as the communist manifesto

>we all agree everyone should have access to healthcare and education.


no. we don't. education and healthcare are expensive and the idea that *everyone* has the brains to do something worthwhile in college is absurd. if you don't wanna die of cancer or whatever, stop being a fat cunt, get a job, and get health insurance. no one owes you anything.

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Actually Facism is also far-left. It branched off from Marxism, like Leninism and Bolshevism.
Hitler wanted to wipe the Jews out of Germany because he believed only Aryans were worthy of national socialism.
Hitler was a national socialist.

>>742160801
>implying people and behaviors on 4chan are indicative of whites or america as a whole.

does it hurt being that stupid or do you just get used to it over time?

>>742160974
this is the dumbest shit i've seen on 4chan in ages.

>>742163756
one should mention the socialism executed by hitler worked damn well on german economy and society.

>>742149099
Wow. Just wow. Where have you been reading about political philosophy?

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>>742150263
Remember that anyone who disagrees with you doesn't hold a true or valid opinion they are only being paid or manipulated to be against you because they're evil and you're right, Keep lowering my corporate taxes, please.

>>742150473
You're projecting again.

>>742151606
You keep making a bunch of false claims though. Authoritarian has been and continues to be, considered a 'right' position.

>>742153409
Me thinks you're a fucking retard and a liar. You can be whatever you want to be on the internet though.

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>>742163889
Hitler never deployed national socialism in germany since he failed to exterminate all the Jews.
National socialism was Hitler's plan. Hitler was left-wing.

>>742153001
Hitler was on the right and to claim otherwise is to attempt to rewrite history. Kill yourself you scumbag.

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>>742153001
>>742153422
>>742153688
>>742153707
>>742154633
>>742164433
Hitler was on the Left. After WWII, professors covered up this fact to protect their own political party. Before WII, the Democratic Party was responsible for racism (not America as a whole). Hitler got us ideas for Jewish genocide from American Democrats, for example the one-drop rule; he even admitted this.
Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews to prepare Germany for national socialism, since he believed Jews were too greedy and capitalist for national socialism.

>>742163671
I love your logic "marx lived off the wealth of his friend, friedrich angels, so of course he would write something as bullshit as the communist manifesto". Him being rich make his ideas less valuable? "Healthcare/education are expensive" yeah that's the problem, it should not be. We evolved in a society not because we like shit all close together but to help each other, or do why do you think our ancestors used to live in groups? if someone is in a bad situation, the ones lucky enough to don't suffer the same are in charge of helping them, greed and selfishness wont let humanity progress nor survive. Do you think that people dying wouldn't do anything for help? The sad part of this is that every year there is suffering around the world that depend on basic things that we the privileged enough to live a "good" life take for granted. I really wish you try to at least take a second look to those ideas, I don't think they would do any well. And " *everyone* has the brains to do something worthwhile in college is absurd" that is ridiculous, so poor people and his successors those who aren't able to afford any type of education, nobody mentioned college should stay ignorant for ever. American college is probably one of the worst and most stupid things the US, in most of european countries college is cost less than 4000€/year some of them free, and you are telling me that paying at least 20000€/year more than what you earn in most of the jobs is fair? At this point you can either be a troll or have an autism level over 9000.

>>742142455
The modern left isnt anarchistic. They oppose the current government but their political goals require the establishment of a soviet style central government to enforce their social and economic policies. They are just as authoritarian as the right is, just with different end goals.

>>742148032
The far right is hoppean style libertarianism and pinochet style fascism which you see a lot of support for among the alt right.

>>742156835
>left vs right wing is about government

lmao

>>742142094
Retards are drawn towards extremism, and they're too stupid to see how hypocritical it is

The alt right and SJWs are just two sides of the same coin

>>742142094
Fight Club meme is gay, but I agree with your premise.
Most well adjusted individuals don't get involved with political protest groups. Most protest groups are full of lonely, depressed, insane, & unfulfilled people. Modern protest groups are weak sheep who can't influence people with a spine
The reality is, most people can care less.They have a life. Just don't fuck with our neighborhoods & families. Or else it's hell to pay.
In reality, all these protests spawned Trump, got him elected, and make him stronger. The establishment funded "Alt Right", ANTIFA, BLM, are doing nothing except bringing heat on the financiers of these LARP scenarios

>>742165601
Antifa does not realize they use Nazi tactics to fight capitalism (just as Hitler did)

>>742164351
He deployed it at the moment he excluded jews from it. that was enough for it to work

i agree at your other points tho

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>>742145577
unfortunately everyone lives in the world that they make for themselves. ya its not great that people around the world are oppressed. but we had several wars against many european superpowers so that we could have the freedoms we have today. if other people in other countries are too lazy to do the same for their fellow countrymen, thats not america's fault. stop acting like its anyone's responsibility to sacrifice their own life so someone elses home can be clean and tidy. thats not the way reality works.