It belongs in a museum. This is wrong. http://time.com/49007

>>742126113
fuck off /pol/

Civil disobedience is a powerful political tool.

If it belongs in a museum, then it should have been in one. The people who failed to act are partly responsible for the result.

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>>742126210
Pretty sure /pol/ doesn't think that they should be removed and put in museums.

>>742126335
So I suppose that lynching people who commit crimes when the state fails to act is also ok. After all it's just "civil disobedience". Or blowing places up,for that matter. Let's go all weathermen in them...

You're no better than the fascist

>>742126688
Assault is not civil disobedience. Vigilante justice is not civil disobedience. Mass destruction is not civil disobedience.

Please, explain to me how the destruction of this racist monument hurt people.

>>742127082
It hurts our ability to teach the past. Thus condemning us to repeat our mistakes. It belongs in a museum where it can be given context and protected from the elements. That's why we have them.

These people are no better than ISIS when they go around trying to erase history

>>742127353
Umm that's hyperbole.

>>742126113
fucking hell
they didn't just take it down
they fucking destroyed it
fucking Nazis gotta destroy art and burn books bc it doesn't fit their narrative

>>742127278
Uh huh... I learned about racists in History class. Seeing a statue of a racist isn't gonna teach me anything.

As I said earlier. The folks who didn't put it in a museum are partly to blame for it's destruction.

>>742127779
I learned about the holocaust in school. That doesn't mean it's time to dismantle the holocaust museum.

>>742127612
Commies, not nazis. As a liberal I'm appalled. That's not how we do things here.

>>742128305
Agreed, no reason to tear down a museum.

But, no reason to have Actual Nazi war memorials in public places.

>>742128430
I don't remember the Communist Party burning books and tearing down statues when they took power

>>742128653
It was a Confederate memorial. So it was a dead Democrat actually.

>>742126113

kek

confederate ideology must be erased from existence.

by 2050 will be nothing but a memory, a nightmare that US once had.

Liberalism for 1000 years!

Fuck nazis! Fuck KKK! Fuck White supremacy!
Fuck them in the ass till they bleed. Most of them are white beta faggots already.

>>742128891
Yes, the previous post was regarding the Holocaust, so I mentioned Nazis.

The losers in a war over whether it's ok to own people don't get statues commemorating their existence.

>>742128793
Then you didn't study Chinese history. You idiot. Also Russian but more so Chinese. Yes, they burned books.

>>742127779
>if your gf was so hot, you should have done a better job protecting her. it's your fault she was raped.

>>742126113
>not as wrong as it being up and state sponsored on public land

does an accurate account of people who lived in that area bother you?

grow some balls homo

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>>742128980
And they will replace it not with liberalism but a other failed homicdal ideology

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>>742129398

U mad white bois?

>>742129436
More like if you're boyfriend raped someone, got a statue for losing the trial and a hundred years later someone tore it down for political reasons.

History should be preserved. Whether it's good or bad or ugly, we shouldn't destroy our history.

>>742129564
I'm only half "white" and I'm mad that it didn't go directly into a museum of disgraced artifacts. Unlike Germany we had a chance to do this right. To use them as a tool to teach future Americans our colorful and mournful history. Now all they will have to study are pictures and tweets about them. Anything that trump tweets actually gets preserved.

>>742129775
I agree. All these racist memorials need to get taken down right away and put into racist museums so people can learn about racism and how people used to think it was cool to own other people, and how they fought and died for their right to own other people and how they lost that war, and how its not ok to own other people anymore because of it.

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>>742129564
Your future.

>>742130036
But it's not too late. http://www.dw.com/en/the-house-of-disgraced-statues/a-18572557 They dug up the ones from nazi Germany. They're all broken but that's alright.

>>742130170
Beats whatever method your mom attempted. I'm guessing heavy metals alcohol and meth.

>>742126113
You know you're fucked up when you destroy history

>>742128793
Better start reading.

>>742130634
He can't. They censored his internet and burned all the books

>>742126113
This is no different than what ISIS was doing a year ago when they where destroying pieces in museums to erase the history of their enemies.

>>742126917
so do you!

>>742130615
Just because the status is destroyed, doesn't mean that history is.
There is still a record of the war that was fought, and lost. There is still a record of the statue that was erected and there is now a record of the statue that was torn down.

>>742130904
Actually it's more like what Germany did, after the war.

>>742131013
Working there?

>>742130904
It was from 1924. Fucking. 1924. Piece of shit hippies, and nobody stopped them?

>>742126497
know nothing about this man or what life was like. Assumes it is all about racism. Judgement hypocrisy.

>>742131122
lurk moar. know your references anon.

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>>742126113
that thing..
on the left..
its making me..
kek

>>742126113
>>742128980
Doesn't ISIS do this?
>Go to historic site
>destroy anything that doesn't agree with your ideology
>It was a good day
Great job for domestic terrorists.

That statue just got lynched. It is the south all over again but this time against whites.

>>742126113
Yeah this was pretty bad. They had some moral high ground and then lost it immediately with this stunt. As a left leaning centrist I fucking hate antifa. They have no idea how much damage they're doing to left wing ideology.

>>742131081
There shouldn't be a record of them tearing anything down in the first place because it wasn't right for people to march onto a government building to tear down a historical piece.

>>742131352
non anon the poster says "kKk"

>>742131081
Only paper. The physical statue has more presence. It makes it feel more real. That's why we have museums. It's not just for pretty art. It's for ugly history. Have you been to the MET? I was just there. The reconstituted temple is entirely made up of statues and other artifacts that were ordered to be destroyed and buried by a pharaoh when he took over. It's not too late.

>>742131081
ironocallly, the more libfags try to erase history, the less foundation they have for any protest. Eventually, some newfag is gonna ask what the fuck they are on about because there is no record of anything bad ever happening anywhere.

>>742131523
>>742131545
This thinly veiled concern trolling is pretty tired.

>>742131437
this

whites need to start their own civil rights movement, shit is getting out of control

>>742131091
Mm

Ask yourself this: Are there any Nazi Memorials in public places in Germany?

>>742131081
And now theres a record of some fucking hippies getting mad about something that was put up almost a century ago not understanding it's importance, yeah theres a record of that. A criminal record actually because that was unlawful.

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>>742131896
SIX GORILLION

>>742131896
Nazi memorials, no but there are memorials for fallen German soldiers in Germany

>>742126113
People need to.understand the difference between symbols of ancestry and history, and symbols of hate.

I don't know a single person who.would call general lee a preacher of hate, just a general on the wrong side.

It's not even close to butler,

Next we will. BE removing Nixon for bigotry, Andrew Jackson, we might as well remove Ben from the 100.

This is history.

>>742127082
It's destruction of property, if you at all try and argue how this is okay I'm coming to your house and breaking all your shit.

>>742132005
Im not siding with libtards here or anything but give me a fucking break. Maybe the number was exaggerated but you're not implying the holocaust was a lie with this blatantly fake bullshit are you?

>>742128980
Oh really. Tough guy behind his keyboard.

>>742126113
If you or any of the alt-right marchers actually knew anything about Robert E. Lee you'd know he'd never want a statue of himself to exist, especially one commemorating the Civil War.

>>742132152
That sounds fun. Should I buy you a bus ticket?

>>742126113
No better than ISIS.

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>>742132201
>Maybe the number was exaggerated
getting warmer, shekelburg

>>742132054
And there is still an unknown soldier memorial in the south. That's fine. You don't see ones for Nazi generals. So why should we put one up for "the lost cause" and include the generals? It's not about lost lives, it's about a cause. The cause of secession in order to preserve social order. In that social order blacks we're not citizens.

It is pretty laughable that the alt-right have resorted to basically the exact same tactics as SJWs use to push their agenda.

>>742126113

What's wrong with people. Fucking savages. Historical statues aren't a political issue. They are monuments to the people of the era in which they were built. They are art. Just because you don't like it or what you think it stands for doesn't give you a right to destroy it.

I mean fuck the alt right but art is to be cherished, regardless of what kind of art it might be.

>>742132333
Don't whitewash it.
The Civil War was a war over the idea that owning other people was ok.

>>742129471
Please... please tell me the very people butthurt about neo nazi's holding a rally, are they themselves holding communist flags.... particularly one flag which saw more people murdered than the holocaust.

>>742132414
why not just preserve hitler statues too?

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>>742131416

Exactly this.

You destroy history because you don't like it. Then later on when people grow up and are interested, it's fucking GONE.

>>742132489
Seattle saved a statue of Lenin from destruction during the collapse of the soviet union

>>742131542
He is talking about the water buffalo looking thing holding the sign.

>>742132265
I said it belongs in a museum. You're accusing me of being alt right? Want to know how far off you are? My Rabbi is a gay Latino immigrant. No joke. Google Beth Torah Kansas City.

>>742132532
This isn't destruction of history. This is destruction of racist symbolism.

>>742131776

He's entirely correct, though.

>>742132414

These statues were largely built well after the historic times; they don't have great artistic value either. They are shitty statues often built as snowflake-y responses to advancements in civil rights.

Government rules you can't fuck black people over as much? BUILD A STATUTE!

>>742132629
No. He isn't. He doesn't actually believe what he's saying. It is just a thinly veiled excuse for racist symbolism to remain in the public eye.

>>742132470
I'm not. I'm saying that the argument presented was one of preserving the cause of the South. Which included slavery and keeping blacks down in general. That's why they formed the klan.

>>742132612
I wish my fishing baits where this good. W2c?)

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>>742132652
This is accurate.

Most of these Civil War monuments were erected by butthurt white men who didn't want black people voting in their schools. It was meant to symbolize who was in charge, not to remember a lost war.

>>742132583
>It belongs in a museum. This is wrong.
Maybe not as wrong as it being up and state sponsored on public land, but wrong.
>This is wrong. Maybe not as wrong as it being up and state sponsored on public land, but wrong.

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>>742126113
Don't worry OP. This is a good thing. You see, they destroy all the confederate monuments, then at some point we can destroy the books and absolve the white race of white guilt they had that lead to it's removal in the first place.

History is cyclical, these libtards are just spinning their little cog in the machine.

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imagine being so much of a beta faggot in real life you were duped by white supremacists just because they told you 'but at least you're better than them' lol

>>742127278

Is that why we still have Nazis walking around? Because we were able to learn from the past?

>>742132333
Is the statue they tore down even of a confederate general? all reports I see are that it's a statue depicting a confederate soldier dedicated to all the confederate soldiers who gave their lives.

so isn't the act of tearing the statue down akin to tearing down the unknown soldier monument if it isn't a statue of a general?

>>742126688
Holy shit that was a jump in logic if I'd ever seen one.
Did you graduate college with that understanding of rhetoric? Maybe in America.

>>742132799
You know nothing of the south do ya? A true southerner hates niggers. Not black folk. Learn the difference.

>>742132705
I do too. Also I'm not racist. I think they belong in a museum of disgraced artifacts. Like a Holocaust museum, but specifically about what happened after slavery. When they put these statues up, why they did it and who defended it. We need to preserve our history so we don't repeat our mistakes. Trump keeps comparing himself to Andrew Jackson. I wish others knew how right he is and why that's fucking terrifying

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>>742127278
>It hurts our ability to teach the past.
Please explain how removing a statue prevents people from learning about the past. I don't think you understand what 'recorded human history' really entails.

>>742132489

In my apparently idiotic opinion, they probably should have. I make one exception, and that's if a monument was made for the vanity of one singular person and for no other reason. And even then I still think they should be preserved, just remove them from the public eye.

>>742132612

It's destruction of history. You say racist. Someone else says it's a monument to the people who died in the nation's bloodiest conflict. Who cares what they died for, it's their monument, it was for them, not for you.

Shit atheists have to drive by church signs every day and I'm sure they are annoyed, why don't they just tear them down? Probably because it doesn't fucking belong to them.

>my dads trophie

>>742132858
Imagine being the guy who made your post.

>>742131523

well then there shouldn't be a record of any slavery in the first place because it wasn't right for people to own slaves


right?

>>742132885
The plaque on the statue was literally "The Confederate States of America"

>>742126113
Well, look what fucking happened when they decided to put the other one in a museum. This was a statement. Yeah, it was the act of an angry mob, but it doesn't even compare to the shit that went down on Saturday.

>A monument commemorating men who died as soldiers is racist
What the fuck, it's not like it's a KKK memorial, what is wrong with people?

>>742127278
never saw a statue of a nazi but i know how fucked up they were. never saw the burning of the Baghdad library but i know how fucked up that was. never went to ground zero of hiroshima or nagasaki but i know how fuck up those were. never saw the car jfk was shot in but i know how fucked up that was.

sorry you cant let go of your failed revolution. sorry you can't handle your race having to co-exist alongside the rest of them, sorry you can't stand having to be questioned or possibly being wrong. actually im not sorry at all. this has been a long time coming. take it deep fuckboy. take it real deep.

>>742132930
That is racist yo.

>>742132802
Ok so it wasn't the best grammatically engineered statement. It's late and I'm high.

>>742132848
That conservative mindset is holding you back.
There's this new-fangled technology called the Internet where anyone can share any ideas and writings to their heart's content.

Go ahead and burn all the books you can like the retard you are; logic clearly isn't your strength.

>>742126113
I'd rather sit in a foxhole or stand at the shoulders of a black man versus either of these glorified pussy groups. Bunch of fucking retards.

>>742126113
It's a great example of keeping American history alive, OP. A living thing.

Every generation of Americans should tear down southern symbols and humiliate the racist rebels, just like we did during the civil war. America won. The Confederacy lost. Nevar ferget.

>>742129564

Classic 4chan post.

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George Washington owned slaves, when are they going to rename Washington DC and tear down his statues? Or burn all of the $20 bills that have Andrew Jackson on them? Where do they draw the line for their logic?

>>742133009
Removing vs destroying. The statues present an opportunity to teach those who would otherwise only pay lip service by repeating what's in the textbook. It's a tangible item. This is why we go to museums. Not just to look at pictures of naked ladies.

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>>742127278
>It hurts our ability to teach the past.
Holy shit you're a fucking idiot. Not even going to bother explaining why because you're not capable of understanding.

>>742132973
If you believe this is true, then you should encourage municipalities all over the country to get these monuments taken down ASAP and moved to a museum, lest more of them get destroyed by a public growing more and more impatient with our racist president and his racist followers. (Not all Trump supporters are racists)

>>742128653
Is Auschwitz still standing?

i hope the far-left keep doing this shit because it has the opposite effect

when they wont allow people to express themselves, label what they disagree with hate speech, start trying to censor history and at this point just short of book burning, they only embolden the views/ideas they're trying to suppress

>>742133308
>The statues present an opportunity to teach those who would otherwise only pay lip service by repeating what's in the textbook

And this is where you're projecting. There are plenty of people out there who actually comprehend what they're reading in textbooks, even if you're not one of them.

>>742133281
somewhere before that, obviously.

>>742132848

It's this.

Either everything is okay, or nothing is. You can't apply your own narrow, subjective standard to everything and remove things you don't like, because then you open up the door for someone else to to do the same to things you enjoy. Everyone loses.

>>742133281
i think they're just going after blatant racism
maybe theyre too apathetic to go after the big guise
idk but feeling powerless against something so widely used
plus statues are just there you know easy target

>>742133181
>technology called the Internet where anyone can share any ideas and writings to their heart's content.
He did.
>Go ahead and burn all the books you can like the retard you are; logic clearly isn't your strength.
He never burned or destroyed anything. They did. Logic clearly isn't your strength.

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https://m.imgur.com/r/The_Donald/d3sFx

>>742132885
Making a better case for it's preservation in a museum, where it would be more difficult to pull a stunt like this and people could learn about it's history. The history being full of butthurt Dixiecrats

>>742131122

lel

>>742133308
Tearing this statue down also presents an opportunity to teach.

Tearing this statue down IS HISTORY.

>>742133308
they had the opportunity to move them. they didn't do it soon enough. tough shit. those white nationalist boys probably should have thought that one through before they went on their little photoshoot picnic parade.

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>>742133181
Actually, fuck you. You see, the only people who should have a say is the people that live in that state or county. They are the tax payers, this is public property that was destroyed and everyone who was involved should be prosecuted. I believe in local control but a libtard like you wouldn't understand that (you probably rent too). If this was so important it could be brought up for a vote to remove by the locals (not bused in virgins).

I would never expect a hive mind liberal to understand this though.

>>742133101
yeah, so, that was the name of the home they were fighting for, they did fight before the south was a part of the union

>>742133468
okay. i laughed. thank you

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swede here, what is going on?

what are the self-proclaimed "good" people doing this time?

>>742133281
and rename Washington State, and all the Washington State universities, and all the cities and counties named Washington, and dismantle the Washington memorial including filling in the reflecting pool, and removing his head from Mt Rushmore......

>>742126113
You have exactly ten minutes to explain why an enemy of the USA should be honored by a statue and treated with respect? These men were traitors to the Union and are in no way heroes deserving of being honored. Would you defend an Osama Bin Laden statue in New York? How about a Stalin statue in DC?

Why do conservatives tend to be religious and have uneducated?

>>742133339
There is a museum built in it's place. The museum teaches the horror that happened at that place.

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>>742133468

>>742133577
Neo nazis like to be terrorists and commit acts of terrorism ISIS style because of some statues, so liberals just tore one down themselves so the neo nazis don't have a chance to rally and kill people over it.

>>742133318
It's events like these that perpetuate the us or them mentality.

>>742133596
>and have uneducated?
Yup, 10/10
I'm not calling you uneducated, just having a giggle.
Could you rephrase so I understand completely what you're asking?

>>742132930
> thinks there's something called a southern gentleman.

Kek.

>>742133594
this.

>>742132123
Nah man, next there going to be renaming streets because Jefferson street would be fucking triggering to see

>>742133394
in the 1860s a white flag meant that a cease fire was desired
this cease fire was usually called for to remove the dead and injured from the battle field
but was also commonly used to discuss a preliminary treaty w/o either side surrendering
the only time this cease fire was used to offer a total surrender was when the unit's commander felt that retreat and victory were impossible

>>742132470
Lol no it wasn't. It was over power, Lincoln wanted to break the South and slaves were what their economy relied on.

Black guys playing that guitar wrong, should get one of his Mexican anti trump friends to show him how to play fingerstyle

>>742133137

Rude

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>>742133670

>>742133602
Good. I am in favor of not destroying any art for any means. We all need the history lesson. This shit just happened in Minnesota and I broke up with my girlfriend over it.

don't see what the big deal is with tearing down confederate statues. i thought you right wing fucks didn't like participation trophies

>>742126113
The "boys who wore gray" were enemy soldiers of the USA

>>742133940

have fun dying alone bitch

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>>742133497
>archive.fo
who the hell would NOT use web.archive.org?

if something is archived on web.archive.org i believe it's real, archive.fo could be faker than my wife's tits as far as i know

>>742133880
kek'd harder than i should have

>>742133577
Well some fucktards decided to hold a torchlight rally to "unite the right" which in this instance actually meant the Klan, neo Nazis you the "alt right" and various subgroups there of. Their goal was to unite around this statue which the city had voted to remove and put in a friggin museum. This ended very badly for all involved. Now because of the criminal act of an insane right wing fuckboi the extreme left are literally tearing down statues.

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>>742133691
>Neo nazis like to be terrorists
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/06/14/reports-congressman-others-shot-baseball-practice/102838314/
Suspect killed after Steve Scalise, 4 others shot at baseball practice

A gunman opened fire on a Republican congressional baseball team practicing on a suburban Virginia field Wednesday, critically wounding Louisiana Rep. Steve Scalise and shooting four other people as horrified legislators and staffers scrambled for cover amid a barrage of bullets.

But you know, those damned conservative Neo Nazis! They're always up to no good!

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You know what? The USA is a lost cause.

Now where the fuck did I put my one-way ticket to Europe.....?

>>742133555
You can keep trying to articulate your argument in any way you feel, but America has moved past the need for Confederate war monuments.

You are stuck in an older chapter of history - you need to catch up or be left behind. There is no third option.

>>742134035
lol to europe? you fucking kidding me. enjoy getting raped

>>742133977
they were following a tradition started with the declaration of independance

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>>742133983
Ha. I didn't break up with my other girlfriend.

>>742134110
Derp

>>742134035
>Fleeing to the land of refugees
Great plan anon

>>742133691
what does the statue symolize? what was the statue of?

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>>742133983

You mean having a good time like reasonable, educated gentlemen do. Why abide a simple whore with no vision?

>>742127353
What about the domestic terrorists using cars as weapons? Are they any better than ISIS?

>>742134113
>soon

so, how many of you all hope the japs were prophetic and are gunna get Kaijued for fukashima?

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>>742133947
By your logic it's ok to burn down a church because religion is a lie which has killed millions.

Or maybe you just don't get that you don't break shit that isn't yours, faggot.

>>742134110
They fought to maintain the institution of slavery. Every single one of those faggots in grey fought for the right to own slaves. No revisionist history way around it cunt.

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>>742134125
>Derp

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>>742134090
>>742134135

Fuck off /pol/. You can stay and fight over this rotten corpse, I'm outta here.

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>>742133555
Check 'em for truth. I bet all these libtards were kids indoctrinated by liberal professors. It's public knowledge that most major colleges and Universities are liberal cesspool robot center churning out next years brain dead youth. It's really sad that only one mode of thinking prevails in these so called "institutions of free speech and tolerance". The sad part is these libtard chimpouts will be the reason we get 4 more years of Trump, this is the shit that got him elected in the first place.

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It belongs in a fucking scrap pile. Every last one of them does.

Traitors don't get statues. They're the ultimate participation trophy.

>>742134386
Herp derp

>>742134167

I just want a respectable lady with manners

>>742127353
>>742129775
>>742130615
>>742130904
>>742132532
>>742133355

hurr durr our history

they put up a confederate statue in fucking arizona in 2010

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>>742134386
You probably need this

>>742131669
Liberals didn't make you stupid by tearing down statues that shouldn't have been on public property anyway.

The fact that your parents are first cousins is what made you stupid.

>>742134167
Thank you. She wanted to go tear down and burn a new sculpture because she is 25% native. She doesn't even measure on the blood quantum level.

>>742134355

mommy he broke my ninth place gold medal

it's not even *his* and he broooooke it

>>742134071
Hopefully people never decide to destroy something you like or you know agree with. I guess it'll just be the old "times ah changing". Keep making excuses for destroying public property and vandalizing.

>>742128980
>Liberalism for 1000 reich!

>>742134459
>>742134530
+1

>>742134491
Same here.
One with reason.
One with education.

>>742133318
I have been. This thread is me blowing off steam about it. I live in Kansas City. No Confederate statues here. Only standing monuments to the Confederates in Missouri are at cemetery's where they are buried. They took one out of saint Louis already. So I have to try to convince people from the south that they should push to preserve the history in a museum as opposed to either destroying it or keeping it in place permanently. Problem is this often means transferring them to a sort of way station. A storage site. This is because it's hard to get places to take them given the current political climate.

I would like to thank all of these people committing acts of vandalism on state property. In two years when the campaign ads start running this will be a large part of Trump's reelection.

as a die hard liberal fuckin bleeding heart who loves niggers and spics til her dying breath, this is like burning books. Shame on them

>>742134651
People should be allowed to express their views and perceptions publicly and through art as a medium.

>>742134710
When I support traitorous racists, I guess I will have it coming.

When I march with literally Nazis, I guess I will have it coming.

Sorry you lost the War of Northern Aggression.

>>742134167

maybe if all you neets figure out how to self suck you'd drop the nazi faggotry and leave the rest of us in peace

>>742134113
KEK

>>742134382
but they used the precedent of the declaration of independence to justify it
>In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
>We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.

>>742134343
>Musha
Don't you mean Char?

>>742133594

You oppose slavery, but Union forces are headed your way to burn down the homes of you, your family, and friends.

You don't like the Nazis, but it's the Allies who are bombing your city every night, and you've been ordered to man an anti-aircraft gun. Do you refuse?

>>742134157
A manlet punches a woman and she barely flinches. That about sums up the alt right. That's why that one manlet had to use his car.

>>742127082
The first step to erasing a people is the destruction of their culture and history.

There's no legitimate reason to remove these statues, doing so naturally makes people from all walks of life suspicious.

>>742134773

might've worked before the fascists started murdering people

Don't expect rational decisions from Antifa.

Things like this are upsetting to me, since I have African Americans in my family tree.
[spoiler]It's been a couple of days, I should probably go cut them down.[/spoiler]

>>742133355
It doesn't have the opposite effect. Alt-right demonstrations have the opposite effect of exposing the worthless cunts and diminishing their support. Hate speech is speech that advocates attacking or dehumanizing a group of people, they don't label anything at all hate speech, only actual hate speech, you liar. They aren't rying to censor history, they are trying to keep it in the past. Confederates belong in a history book, not a modern monument. Monuments are for heroes, not villains. They are not emboldening, that's what the pro-alt-right people have been doing, and their fascist advocacy is an enormous problem that we now have to resolve. You're just trying to stop the good guys from fighting the bad guys you cunt shill.

>>742134920
Hahahaha

>>742126113
The winners of wars write history books.

>>742134854

I know this is hard to believe, but I can dislike Nazis and Confederate wannabes and the alt right, and at the same time condemn the destruction of public statues just because they hurt some people's feelings.

It's crazy, isn't it? It's like there are more than two sides of the story you can choose.

>>742134793
Look up Sam Durant

>>742134920
How long were you holding on to that shit copy pasta?

>>742135172
>Hate speech is speech
full stop

>>742134513
To be fair Arizona is always a little behind the curve.

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>>742134813
It's funny, I remember when Conservative lost the election against Obama they roved across the states destroying monuments to Northern Generals and figureheads of the Northern army. Oh yeah they didn't because conservatives have class.

I'm sorry you lost the election, but you gotta remember losing is supposed to taste like a shit sandwich. Why is it always the liberals that chimp out and break things? Is it because the cognitive dissonance they suffer from also causes violent tendencies?

>>742135298
Free speech is only protected from government intervention. Nothing protects you from social consequence. Hate speech isn't going to be tolerated anymore.

>>742134920
Use of a document is not motivation. They wanted to maintain thier shit way of life

>>742135279
Kek

>>742134513
But this one was put up in the 1920's, it's a symbol of what happened and people should be able to be enriched by the history of the region and see something that's been there for damn near a century because of this unique event. Nobody has the right to destroy history no matter what if it's to their liking or not. Period.

>>742135202

That phrase is usually intended as a caution not to trust the one-sided narrative written by the winners.

In my own opinion, if slavery had never existed, the North and South still would have had a civil war just due to the power shift when the agrarian South found itself just becoming nothing more than a resource basket for the industrialized North, with no real say in the government.

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>>742126113
Christ I knew /b/ was full of sub 100 IQ plebians but the fact that they endorse the destruction of public property is just sickening.

>>742135343
What statues to northern generals? Also are you implying that all conservatives love the Confederacy and hate Lincoln?

>>742135459
cringe

>>742135459
Except the fat of what they did was unlawful. Nothing about that statue was any way related to hate speech.

>>742135343
Sort of ironic isn't it, considering Confederate monuments are monuments to the losin side, traitors to their country? All of those monuments were built with the salty tears of people left behind by progress.

Conservatives wouldn't have had many statues to tear down either; don't know of many union general statues outside of Washington D.C. The rest of the country isn't obsessed with the civil war, unlike the fuckwads in the South (and derpy places like Montana and Arizona, States that didn't exist yet, but because they are full of racist fuckwits still erect statues to the Confederacy)

>>742135570
That was a bit after the war... Still some lesser museum might have taken it.

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>>742135459
Agreed, we gotta like make laws or something to limit speech.
"If Fascism Ever Comes To America, It Will Come In The Name Of Liberalism"
--Ronald Reagan

>>742135570
It's not history it is venerating traitor cunts.

>>742134140
>>742134432
Porch ware

>>742135810
What an idiotic quote, especially in this context.

Hey, what are those symbols on the sheilds those nazi alt-right fucks were parading around with?

I think that symbol is called... a fasces...

One of the main symbols of, get this.. fascism.

>>742135343
>using "You lost get over it" to defend leaving Confederate monuments standing

Good god. You don't even see it, do you?

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>>742126335
>The people who failed to act are partly responsible for the result
Did you sleep all day Saturday or something?

>>742135673
No hes not implying anything, hes SAYING conservatives didnt destroy union history or statues, and didnt throw this much of a hissy fit

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Oh my God who fucking cares you leftist faggots. Honestly why do you even come to b/ for politics? You never accomplish anything besides argue. But since you're desperate for attention and human interaction it's probably the highlight of your day. Why the fuck do you ask these stupid ass posts and why the fuck does anyone's opinion even matter? You faggot pro bernie/Hillary counts wont stop crying. It's so damn pathetic. Fuck off already.

>>742135894
so we should remove statues of abolitionists from the 1840s-50s because they advocated succession to abolish slavery

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>>742135673
I'm done arguing with brain dead liberals who feel the need to "break things I don't like!" I'm sorry your safe spaces have been violated, I'm sorry you have to resort to destroying public property which is literally nigger teir, isis level. I'm so glad I don't count myself among you people anymore. You all belong in Europe.

>>742135570
Why do the 700+ monuments to the Confederacy, largely constructed well after it's demise.. have to exis to preserve history? They are not important, and are not required to teach history. If some private museum wants to buy them, go for it. The State should not be sponsiring monuments to the Confederacy. It's always been completely ludacris.

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How long before whites wake up?

>>742136204
I have never torn down a statue, nor did I advocate for them to be torn down.

So go fuck yourself.

>>742135810
No actually, the law is fine. You are free to be a nazi and I am free to disagree with it. You are free to gather your fat white friends, and the law will prosecute the protesters when your dumb ass gets a rock thrown at his head.

The law is working perfectly. You are free to out yourself as a useless member of society, and we are free to punish you for it.

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>>742135026

As wrong as slavery was, it was nevertheless promised to the South in the Constitution. They wouldn't have ever signed on if that promise hadn't been made to them. They sought to leave when it became clear that things were moving towards that promise being rescinded. If that was the intent, they never should have been invited in to begin with.

>>742136093
Plus we have to use our tax dollars to pay for the upkeep. Since this is outdoors this isn't as cheap as you might believe. Isn't it strange how an outdoor statue isn't covered in bird crap towards the end of summer?

>>742128793
These leftists are all communists you dumbass fucking conservative

>>742136222
Than maybe they should go to the council and change state or city laws instead of vandalizing something like savages promoting this us and them mentality

>>742136129
The union is the good side so no one destroys thier stuff. The confederacy was the wrong side. For every confederate statue in the south a bigger statue of Sherman should be right next to it.

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>>742128980
No ones scared of you fag

Antifa get to destroy the nation while everyone else is excusing cowardice by saying they dont want to be violent . well violence is the only thing that ever changes any thing , being a scared bitch gets you a lose in the history books faggots. time to grow a pair and start acting like men... if some one is tearing down a monument , stop them, if some one is attacking you or a family member for any reason stop them, if some one is violating your rights STOP THEM YOU GOD DAMN IDIOT

>>742132486
Leftists Are stupid. Don't bring this up

>>742136394
Are you blind and deaf, or just retarded?
See
>>742136121
There's no freedom to assemble left for one side. If this keeps up eventually it'll be no sides.

>>742136202
They never took up arms agaist the nation. Also they sought to expand civil rights not own people.

Everything is okay, or nothing is. The former is freedom. The latter is not.

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>>742136394
Ok but it's fine when fat ugly antifa goons loot and riot 24/7?

You're a hypocrite who needs to develop some self-awareness.

>>742136279
the problem might solve itself, they cant stop playing traffic apparently

>>742136523
I don't promote vandalism.

If I lived in a backwards ass place that had Confederate monuments, I'd complain to my city.

Honestly I don't give a fuck what the derpy nobodies in these shit States that still promote this crap do; go butt-fuck a statue of a slave during a civil war re-enactment for all I care.

I'll be here in my liberal eutopia making disturbing amounts of money and enjoying actual culture.

Enjoy your BBQ'd meat, it's slightly better than what I get here. Oh no!

>>742136436
Actually Lincoln originally just wanted to stop the expansion of slavery. The whole thing really took off with bloody Kansas. They really jumped the gun

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>>742135026
"We're ginna crush the right wooooo"

>>742135459
>Nothing protects you from social consequence.
>murder is legal as long as it is done in response to hate speech
>destruction of property is legal as long as it is done in response to hate speech
>assault is legal as long as it is done in response to hate speech
>unlawful termination of employment is legal as long as it is done in response to hate speech

>>742136827
Nerd

>>742136646
Freedom to assemble is still not freedom from social consequences.

Your freedoms are granted to you by the Federal government you fucking twat - not by your neighbors. If you want to assemble and more people want to stop you, that shit is going to happen. That isn't fascism, it is the will of the people.

Let me know when daddy Trump steps in and blocks you from assembling - I will be right next to you protesting that noise. But until then, I hope all of you faggots find nothing but failure at the hands of the sane American public.

>>742127612
I don't know, I think it's more representative of the confederacy now.

>>742136824
>eutopia

My my, so well educated at those oversized daycare centers known as American Universities I see.

>>742136529
But they don't have to because it's the state governments right. Confederacy was wrong, so? People who find that that history cool and intriguing love looking at that stuff and don't go tearing down union statues either. But I seem to recall some hippies tearing down government property one time recently in north Carolina.

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>>742136824
>elitist attitude
Keep winning those hearts and minds anon.
I'm sure this time it'll pay off in 2018 and 2020.

>>742136824
Kansas City is actually a fairly liberal place with a huge black population and no Confederate monuments. Guess what it's famous for. Having better BBQ than Texas. Also half the BBQ place aren't technically in Kansas. So these hillbilly rednecks don't even get that.

>>742136940
>Your freedoms are granted to you by
the fact that you exist and protected by the federal government
FTFY

>>742136992
Oh my, I spelled a word wrong, I'm so ashamed!

Lol Liberals are the party of niggers, fags and women. I wonder which ones the people in this thread are.

>>742136802
Where did I say rioting was fine? I am confident that isn't anywhere in the post you replied to.

No, it isn't ok to have riots - do you feel better now?

>>742137048
t. sub 100 IQ retard

>>742129736
this

>>742137062
The ones fucking your woman. Now if we can move past the ad hom and actually have a civil debate. This isn't /pol/.

>>742131545
The confederacy still has Arlington. All the monsters meant they need.

>>742136646
>There's no freedom to assemble left for one side
Nazis caused 70,000,000 deaths. People are always going to fucking hate the Nazis. People are always going to show up and tell you to go fuck yourself when you have a Nazi gathering. Why don't you just try to not be an edgelord faggot in public?

>>742126113
>destroying history because it upsets you
>destroying art because it upsets you

they blew up Buddhist statues and Sanskrit writings in the middle east. No one batted an eyelid.

>>742136824
Never once did I say you promote vandalism so thanks for the insight and yes the food is much much better, as is the amount of jobs.

>>742133468
EYYYYYY

>>742136940

> freedoms granted you by the federal government

How about the freedoms afforded to people by being decent fucking human beings?

>>742135736
Did you miss the Nazis forming up? Because THAT is about hate speech.

Also, murder is illegal. They did that. So...

>>742137122
Both redundant and ad hom. Stay classy.

>>742137268
>being decent fucking human beings?
Being a Nazi is indecent. It's treason.

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>>742137160
>People are always going to fucking hate the Nazis

>>742137033
cute but you should try real southern bbq. fuck kansas, man.

>>742137390
>Being a Nazi is indecent

Only if you're a shitskin

>>742137268
Yeah decent people are free to be decent people.

Nazis are not. If you march next to a Nazi, you are going to be lumped in with them. This isn't hyperbole about the alt-right or Republicans - I am talking about actual marches with actual Nazis. If you march with a Nazi, you are going to be seen as one. That has consequences.

>>742137197
Never once did I say you said I did.

I'm just letting you know I don't give a fuck either way that some kids tore a statue down for an Instagram photo. I hope they go to jail for it TBH. I'm not arguing for what they did, just arguing that these statues aren't some important part of history.

>>742126113
ooooooooooh, all you nazi larpers. you never do anything. all you do is bitch bitch bitch and whine.

do something, faggots.

>>742137464
lol you people will never ever get your way, and that makes me smile.

>>742136202
>succession
Are dixiefags this fucking stupid?

>>742137009
I don't give a shit about who is tearing down what. The confederacy was created for the preservation of slavery and they fought a war for it. Every single secession document mentions slavery. That should not be venerated with statues and minorials in public spaces. It should stay in history books, media and classrooms.

>/pol/ on suicide watch
get back to your gay containment board

>>742137464
>Only if you're a shitskin
America killed millions of Nazis in WW2. And it was glorious. I hope we kill millions more Nazis this century.

>>742137197
But is it? Let's examine the employment opportunities of the two regions. Rural and southern vs metropolitan and northern. Let's look at unemployment and poverty on the map

That's all beside the point though. This is about what can be done to stop this entire escalating situation which has cost both lives and now the destruction of historical monuments. Albeit monuments to failure

>>742137026
>I'm sure this time it'll pay off in 2018 and 2020.

I really don't care very much. I live in a city/state with very liberal people and laws. People will continue to flock to places like where I live which increases the value of my property.. and the derpy poor idiots who already don't pay taxes voting the GOP in office will save me money on taxes.

>>742137575
all boards are /pol/ sub boards new guy

>>742137556
memorials*

>>742135223

on the one hand this group of people is openly genocidal but on the other hand that group of people is rude to metal

>>742131081
People are missing the point of why they did this in the first place. This moment represents a people striking down a monument that represents a broken,evil, of whitch they want to put in the past. This is a historic event in and of itself, because it shows what our citizens, at this moment in time wanted for each other.

>>742126113
It should have been in one then, and not placed outside, where it's considered a memorial to a piece of shit.

Actually it would probably be better off in a confederate cemetery. Watching over like minded individuals.
But then the libshits would just deface the cemetery.

>>742126113
Kek faggot general statue got the Saddam treatment! Fuck lee he shit the bed at the battle of Monmouth and needed a gayass faggot frenchie to save his ass

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>>742137508
We did :^)

>>742137601
>destruction of historical monuments
Germany doesn't have statues of Hitler and Goebbels. It's time to destroy the monuments to treasonous murderers.

>>742132848
Can it be peckerwoods who get enslaved next time? Never assume you'll wind up on top

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>>742137780

>>742136931

Honestly, the nerds are the only ones who should even be allowed to have any iinput into this debate. And all the Civil War needs I know usually have both a favorite Union and Confederate general, and are able to take an objective and contextualized approach to understanding the motives and lives of the people who were involved, much in the way that the generals themselves seemed to have a certain measure of respect for each other despite being on opposing sides.

Defeated countries have memorials to their war dead. Japan has their shrine that pisses off the Chinese and Koreans. The former confederate states were allowed to do the same, not necessarily because they were regarded as a legitimate country as the CSA, but because of the understanding of the time that the individual States themselves (both Northern and Southern) were sort of mini-countries in their own right. People today can't wrap their head around that and just think of it as being like 50 provinces, but that is not at all how people thought for the first century+ of American history. The best I can compare the feeling to is like the Chinese government cracking down on Hong Kong lately.

>>742135570

built in the 1920s, aka the high point of lynching, klan membership and white supremacist terrorism in the 20th century

gee what a coinkiedink

>>742136940
>confirmed for having zero idea how the law actually works
You're in for a rude surprise if current trends continue.

>>742133070
Yeah it's pretty shitty that happened but it did, and a shit ton of people died. It was the only war fought on our own soil against our own families. People have a right to look at all aspects of those events and admire them because frankly world lore is pretty fucking cool as a a whole. This is like ripping out pages from a book to me. One sec, gonna blow up Mount Rushmore because there's a slave owner on it.

>>742137805
there is a statue of George Washington in London

>>742137825
Fuuuuk I am a pekker wüd....

>>742135223

Dont be ridikuros.

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>>742137160
>70,000,000

Let's say, just for example, if the Americans overthrow the North Korea government, would it be apt to destroy the monuments of kim Jong un?

>>742136541
They're destroying it because of your violent ass. Did Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr use violence?

>>742130360
Typical nigger response

>>742127082
>" destruction of this racist monument"

That fetishide amazement with belitteling others of yours that spews forth in this bigoted statement is why Trump won, why the civil war will start and why everyone hates the left

>>742137854
Fuck nerd... too long... I did not read it all

>>742126113
The thing that pisses me off the most is that as dumb and ignorant as you have to be to be a white supremacist, the loudest and most predominant groups counter protesting are equally as ignorant and hateful. Its just fucking stupid.

>>742137861
Oh please explain. I am dying to hear this.

>>742133577
Without sounding like a weeb, people destroyed a statue of a confederate general because they associate the piece with racism as tensions rise across the globe in our dangerous socio-political era. What do you think?

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>>742137631
>I really don't care very much
Your continued posting says otherwise;^)

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>>742137160
>OY VEY 70 MILLION GOY

Yet it's fine when fucking communists march through the streets with their traitor flags.

Really makes you think.

>>742137854
No they can't. As a nation they no longer exists. It would be like Korea having anti Japan monuments while still being occupied by Japan... bad argument bro

>>742136895

you just named four crimes with clear cut victims, your logic does not apply to taking down a statue in a public setting (i.e. not private property)

the only valid reason to support keeping confederate statues intact is sincere belief that treason in defense of slavery was good

>>742136436
If the rebs hadn't seceded slavery would have survived at least 10 more years.

>>742137698

> on the one hand there are two groups behaving like retards but on the other hand I'm a rational person who doesn't let emotions rule him

Why should I pick? The neonazis are retarded because Nazism is retarded, and the liberal statue protesters are retarded for getting offended by civil war statues. The rational thing is to move the statue to a private collection or into storage until a suitable relocation can be found.

>>742137986
>Gandhi
but Ghandi was a racist
he advocated Indian Independence by stating that Indians were civilized like the English and not dumb savages like the niggers in Africa

>>742137160
No they didnt cause those deaths. Churchill is the war mongerers you kike

>>742138041
If you're too blind too see the road ahead and how the government will respond to armed conflict in the streets you deserve everything coming.

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>>742134157
Well, what puzzles me about the argument that men shouldn't hurt women, what of this equality thing they're talking about? you show up to disrupt/shut down events violently or not, but expect men to not react accordingly?

All illegals protesting , "he's not my President ", you're correct! He isn't. Go back to your own country and protest your leaders.
BLM, if you don't like it here, Africa is large enough to take you back. It wasn't anyone in America's fault you were sold here. With your BLM movement crap your only re-segregating yourselves.
The only people that should be bitching are the American Indian tribes early settlers decided to massacre to take over this country. Last I looked, they run their own reservation with its own rule of law. I bet money they're laughing at the 'white man' now.
Pretty much to any and everyone. Stop being such pansies. Get over yourselves. No one truly gives two fucks.

>>742138160
so it is OK to destroy something that is communal property

>>742137880
And? George Washington was one of the greatest men to ever live.

If the South won the war and built a glorious history for themselves, then they can keep their statues. But they chose treason, they got crushed -- rightly -- and then they spent the next 100 years waging a terrorist campaign against free southern blacks. Fuck these faggots and their false idols.

>>742138254
That's what kicked off this whole thing. The statue in Virginia is being moved to a museum. The alt right decided to rally around this declaring that the liberals we're "destroying" their culture.

>runs over a crowd of people with a car

antifa libs destroying statues are just like ISIS

>>742138296
No you don't get off that easy. You made the remark, you back it the fuck up. Explain your words so I can see exactly how full of shit you are.

>>742133404
Textbooks are always 100% Accutane and honest right anon?

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>>742138451
George Washington was a slave owner you colossal moron.

>>742138518
>spoonfeed me something because I have no grasp of history
No thanks, I'll pass.

>>742138451
he was an English citizen that waged war against England
aka treason

The Union didn't give a fuck about the slaves, all they wanted was a larger role for the fed. Even Lincoln said that if he could free the blacks then great, if he can't, then it's still great. Besides slavery would still be abolished by the confederates later on. If you think that a person who supported slavery should be rid of their physical history, then why not remove George Washington's face off the one dollar bill or remove Benjamin Franklin from the 100 dollar bill considering that they both owned slaves. They're not the only founding fathers that owned slaves too, there's plenty more. Oh and the constitution stated that the country was made for Whites. Does that mean you should destroy the constitution for not stating that it was also for blacks? Fucking liberal shills go back to lefty pol

>>742138536
Google is.

>>742138547
Irrelevant to the fucking point. George Washington was a hero who created the world we live in today. Robert E. Lee was a traitor who caused 500,000 American deaths on his way to losing his pointless treasonous rebellion.

>>742138373

if it's hateful and antithetical to the community's values then hell yeah

especially when the city government is prevented from removing it legally by overbearing state laws that have no justification besides exertion of raw power

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>>742138677
>mfw all this is unironically what they want

>>742138456

Then let it be moved. Why get involved in exactly what the alt right faggots want? I thought liberal considered themselves smarter than that, but it really looks like they met the rednecks at their level.