Please explain to me how you can murder a man by sending

>>741750405
You can't.

>>741750405
Well you can strap a bomb to him that will explode when you send it a text.

>>741750405
You can't. She was convicted of involuntary manslaughter. Not murder.

Please explain how she is innocent

She's not being convicted of murder, retard.

>>741750617
Pls explain how she's not.

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>>741750405
>Implying a bunch of neckbeards will decide a legal case

>>741750617
She's not black.

>>741750709
Goto bed 12-year-old.

>>741750617
Because he killed himself of his own free will.

>>741750697
Her actions/inactions caused a death?

>>741750600
/thread

>>741750405
Its called manslaughter dumbass and you do it by being am absolute cunt

>>741750827
>>741750830
Yes, but she used her pussy power over him. That should be punished. In some way or another, it should be punished.

>>741750405
She's fucking ugly. Who cares.

>>741750827
I put a gun to your mom's head.
Ask you to kill yourself.
You do, of your own free will.

>>741750830
His own actions caused his death.

>>741751022
No, when you're being forced or threatened into doing something, that's coercion and not free will. She didn't do that.

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>>741750600

>>741750617
Freedom of Speech

>>741751022
That's different. That's disposing of hazardous waste I think. That's an EPA issue. We're talking about a bitch using her pissy powers over some guy.

>>741750613
How was it involuntary if she wanted him dead. And how was it manslaughter if he caused his own death, not her.

she has the jail look tho

You can't, and then the fact that the parents are trying to get compensation for the salary he will miss out on over a lifetime. That's not how it fucking works, jesus christ.

She knew he was going to kill himself, knew where he was and how he was doing it and didn't tell the police and didn't do anything to prevent it, on top of that she was encouraging it.

>>741751138
Manslaughter is the killing of a person without malice.

>>741751204
But he killed himself, not her.

>>741750405
>be on phone with person
>know he's going to kill himself
>don't call cops
>coach him on suicide attempt
>badger him into climbing back into the truck when he pussies out halfway through
>somehow not criminally liable

She enabled. She participated. She did the crime, she deserves the time. Maybe don't talk people into killing themselves and then listen to them die.

She's basically a /b/tard. I'm going to donate money to her when she gets out if she gets convicted. Anyone who can be coerced into killing themselves should fucking kill themselves.

>>741751169
You don't have to tell the police when you know someone is dying. If that was the case those teenagers who watched the guy drown would be punished. Nor did she have to do anything to prevent it herself.

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>>741751270

>>741751270
She didn't coerce him. That would mean she threatened or forced him, which would be a problem. She just said kys.

>>741751110
thats not how freedom of speech works

>>741750405
You can't, but she's still a complete psychopath for encouraging him to do it, and deserves to be punished for it. Towards the end of their conversation, he tried to back out, but she convinced him to go back and finish the job. Sick fuck. Deserves to be in jail.

>>741751372
Yeah, it is.

>>741751240
What do you mean she enabled him? That would mean she gave him the ability to kill himself, he always had that ability. She didn't participate, she just told him to kill himself. She didn't do a crime. And you don't have to call the cops when someone is dying.

Doesn't matter faggots.

The American Fail Justice System has once again took another ugly bitch with hairy eyebrows off the streets away from the kids.

Morale of the story is, don't be a cunt to people and goad them on to kill themselves, because when they do and you are backtraced, consequences will never be the same........again. *Y2J music*

>>741751333
You don't even know what edgy means you fucking libtard. Get the fuck off 4chan.

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She knowingly took advantage of his vulnerable state which resulted in his death.

You faggots are just being typical millennials and not wanting to take responsibility for your actions when you say kys.

Looks like the law disagrees with you

>>741751453
I suppose grooming and statutory rape aren't crimes either.

Especially considering they coach/groom a vulnerable person. Though unlike those, this one resulted in death.

>>741750405
Why are you so desperately white knighting this spoiled little shit with the receeding hairline? Shes not going to be your girfriend. Grow up, kid.

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>>741751467

>>741750405
This is an example of the law actually working. She was a mean, awful person so the law found a way to punish her for it. This should serve to discourage others from being mean and awful in this way. +1 justice.

>>741751546
More like you not wanting people to take responsibility for their own actions, blaming his decision to kill himself on her as if she took away his free will. You probably also think people shouldn't be held accountable for their actions if they're drunk or angry or something, like you think he shouldn't because he was in "vulnerable state".

The next time someone says kys to me on the internet I'm going to do it and send them to prison

>>741750405
When a woman convinces her boyfriend to kill her parents or her husband she's charged too.

I'm perfectly fine with it and so does everybody else.

>>741751546
Also, the judge was wrong like many other times, and hopefully she wins the appeal.

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>>741750961
>virgin detected

A mentally ill man's mind was being coerced by another person into unsafe action. How does she not deserve AT LEAST manslaughter?

>>741750405
Pushing him towards suicide when it's was clear with the right help from people he could have been saved or at least learnt how to handle his suicidal thoughts. She was his girlfriend if she didn't want to deal with his depression she should have one of his family member

>>741751741
>there's no difference between an anonymous internet post and a girlfriend repetitively telling boyfriend to kill self and listen to him die

>>741751629
What does grooming and statutory rape have to do with anything. First of all, both of those involve a child. This guy was an adult.

>>741751465

kek'd hard

>>741751453
>her actions had no affect on his actions, he was going to do it anyway

And the jury disagrees. I still don't get the cognitive dissonance of "she convinced him to get back in the car, it's all his fault, she dindu nuffin, she's a good girl!!!"

Who did you kill anon? A little spooked are you?

>>741751837
kys
kys
kys

How many times does it take for you to suddenly no longer have free will?

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>>741750405
Its against the law to not inform the police you fucking retard. She was telling him to kill himself even when he was questioning it, hope they rape her fucking forehead in prison.

>>741751697
How was she mean? She told him to kill himself because he spent months telling her it was the only for him to be happy, at first she told him not to do it.

>>741751721
>>741751760

She coached him into doing it. She was in a position of trust. She abused that trust.

This won't change on appeal. Not before she's served her sentence.

>>741751721
You're post is full of contradiction

>>741751755
Telling someone to commit a crime is incitement and a crime. Suicide is not a crime.

It's the power of pussy.

>>741751861
She was in a position of trust and he was vulnerable. Just like with statutory rape and grooming. Age is irrelevant here.

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>>741750405
Same way a man can turn into a woman and its alright by everyone. This country is upside down

>>741750709
>what is a jury

>>741751048
If he killed himself without talking to her or trying to confide in her sure that's on him. But he reach out to someone he thought loved him and instead of helping him she pushed him over the edge. It's 2017 I think with all the shit on depression awareness she knew what she was doing. And she was probably thinking she could get away with it too.

>>741751880
I never said that or anything like that in that post. And there was no jury. Do you even know anything about the case.

>>741750405
Right or wrong in this case, it is now going to lay legal groundwork for pining our freedom's on electronic mediums if we do not raise a fuss and conflict with similar cases. Fund her repeals, its not even about how guilty she is, its about our freedom to say whatever we want in digital even if on the other end is a touchy waif who will off themselves because they are fuckin weak and probably aint usefull to the genepool.

>>741751899
Yeah, that's the same as carefully grooming a depressive person that loves you telling him it's fine your parents know and they'll be fine with it and things like that.

>>741751697
But not illegal to be mean or awful, she'll walk on appeal

paper, anthrax

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>>741751465

>backtraced
>consequences will never be the same

You beautiful motherfucker.

>>741751813
Told^

>>741752090
You didn't answer my question

>>741751929
She asked him to do it. He made his decision to do it. Much like anything else you choose to do at the advice of someone else. Like dropping out of college, but you can't blame the other person, and sue them for all the lost money because of your decision. Don't know if it will change on appeal, but if it doesn't she'll just be another falsely imprisoned person.

>>741751945
No it's not.

>>741751899
Have you actually read the text messages?

>>741752106
She's guilty, everyone sees her as guilty and she'll serve her time.

Get over it.

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So much newfags in this thread to not notice the puns and sarcasm.

Makes me fucking sad, people put in effort, only for 12 - 14 year olds cry about some fucking ugly little slut getting jail.

>>741751994
What are you talking about statutory rape is having sex with a child, that's illegal. Grooming is trying to get a child to have sex with you. This has nothing to do with this case. Those are about having sex with children.

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>>741750405
the same way you can murder a man by shouting fire in a crowded theater

>>741752235
A second reply that didn't answer my question

>>741752034
There was nothing to get away with because she committed no crime. It's on him either way, stop trying to take away people's personal accountability.
>He was sad at the time so he's not to blame

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>>741752078
Act now and prevent some money hungry tender snowflake the ability to sue you for having a different opinion than them on the internet, be free to break up with somone via text, send your ex a picture of your new love for their regret without fear of their character weakness jailing you or draining your wallet.

>>741751091
She did, he wasn't mentally stable and she pushed him to kill himself, even if he said he didn't want to do it anymore. That's coercition.

>>741751446
No it is not jesus learn something oh my god

>>741752416
Even if he wasn't mentally stable, which he was, that is not coercion. Coercion would mean she threatened him or forced him to do it. Such as by saying if you don't do it I'll kill your family, or by physically forcing him to do it.

>>741752340
Ok I'll spell it out for you. It's manipulation and mind games, which, not necessary takes away "free will", but it will cause unusual or undesirable behaviour. In other words, if she wasn't sending these messages, he wouldn't have killed himself.

>>741751156
>the fact that the parents are trying to get compensation for the salary

this is just so 100% usa. A guy dies of suicide, first thing to think of is how to make money off of it or even secure retirement because lack of official retirement makes people literally homeless when they have no kid no more. makes me sick

>>741750874
You do it by causing someone's death, he caused his own death so that doesn't make any sense.

>>741752513
She forced him to do it, by saying he shouldn't pussy out anymore, that it was the time to free world from his presence and similar things, i only remember these two atm. That's coercition, you may not agree but luckily you're not a judge.

>>741752572
Stop being a faggot.

Let's see if me telling you to do something forces you to do it

>>741752321
pretty much this

finally someone gets it

>>741752192
Your question is irrelevant because it's not the same case, as I told you.

But anyway, here's your answer, there's no amount of times that you can tell me to kill myself for me to actually kill myself.

But I'm not depressive, I don't know you and I don't trust you.

Many of you don't realize that this case is the same as your love interest telling you to kill her husband because that way you'll be together.

>>741751802
He wasn't coerced. And he wasn't mentally ill.

>>741752416
The implication here is not anything other than you as a poster of this opinion is so much a sheeple that you are open to do anything if asked under some pretence of social contract. You need to work on that as a person or life is gonna be rough. I am of course coercing you to do this, by your definition at this point. You will look back and thank me.

>>741752513
Technically you can psychologically coerce someone into committing a crime

>>741750405
They guy who possessed Chucky figured out how to inhabit the soul of a smartphone and it does whatever killer act you text it starring Dolph Lundgren.

>>741752718
So if someone I like tells me to kill someone else then I'm free of responsibility?

Even to you that must not make sense

"She didn't do nuttin'"

A stage hypnotist - use hypnotism to tell someone to go kill themselves, and they do.

"Murder, should be in jail, but she didn't do nuttin'"

Guy screams behind an old lady at a crossroads who jumps in front of a bus and dies.

"Murder, he meant for her to do that, but she didn't do nuttin'"

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>>741752642
Either you don't understand english, or are purposefully acting stupid. Telling someone to do something, is not forcing someone to do something. You have to actually force them, such as by giving them an ultimatum, as in, if they don't do something then they will face a punishment, or ofcourse just physically forcing them. Here's a picture to help you understand coercion.

>>741751970
Suicide is actually a crime, you just can't charge the successful ones.

>>741752730
He wasn't coerced, that would mean she threatened or forced him into it.

>>741752819
Noone should care as much about the few involved as what the abuse of the legal implications will be.

>>741751270
Lmfao get a load of this edge lord. What are you gonna donate her, some of your mummys pocket money?

>>741752819
I don't know if hypnotism is real but if it actually works like in the tv shows, then you would take away that persons free will. Nothing like this case.

>>741752942
No it's not a crime anywhere in the US.

>>741752918
When the person says he'll shoot you your psychological state will determine whether or not you believe him/her.

When a person tells you you're worthless and should kill yourself your psychological state will determine whether or not your believe him/her.

Was the person aware of the psychological state of the person they were conversing with at the time of the incident.

>>741752805
No, obviously not. That's why people end up in court, so a judge and/or a jury decide on whether someone is guilty of a crime or innocent. This is achieved by looking at, in detail, all the circumstances that lead up to the alleged crime.

>>741752379
Stop being a massive retard, she was found guilty.

>>741752966
Or psychologically fucked with him to encourage him to do it .

>>741753101
What are you talking about. She did not threaten him or force him to do it, therefore she did not coerce him. Learn what words mean.

>>741751929
It's not like she was his therapist. She has no obligation to not abuse his trust in her.

I'm not saying what she did wasn't utterly shitty, but unless a new law is written for her to have broken, she's wrongly convicted. Maybe that law should exist, but it really doesn't right now.

>>741753077

Actually in all but 4 cities, assisted suicide is illegal (Cali, Oregon, Vermont and Washington is legal), and euthanasia is very much illegal.

So the girl assisted in the guys suicide by telling him to do after befriending him.

She could at any time say go away, leave me alone and block him. But she didn't. She goaded him, and she took pleasure in being needed and she thought she could get something out of it - financial or presents.

When it was clear she wasn't getting them, she turned the books and became nasty to the guy and knew when he was at his lowest he told him to kill himself. And he did.

She is fucked.

>>741752005
I man can't turn into a woman, she was a woman when she was born and the doctor who named her a boy committed an act of violence against her.

>>741753229
And Casey Anthony and OJ were found innocent. The courts are wrong plenty of times. This is one of those many times. Hopefully she wins on appeals.

>>741753266
That wouldn't be coercion. But she didn't do that either. She told him to do it because he spent months telling her it was the only way for him to be happy. She wasn't "fucking with him" at all.

She looks like the that girl in that new Valerium or whatever movie the space one with two kids

>>741753352

not cities I meant states of course.

>>741751453
You sir, are pants on head retarded...

>>741753310
"Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat."

>coercion
>psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat

>>741752321
But I only shouted fire, it's my freedom of speech.

>>741750405
That pussy couldn't take a bitch rejecting him.

>>741753352
Telling someone to kill themselves is not assisting them in committing suicide. He did everything and bought everything while she was not present. We don't know if she's fucked until the appeal is over. Although 15 months isn't that long to say she is fucked even if she does get it.

>>741753493
No u

>>741753402
Even if she is technically innocent, why do you hope she wins appeal? She's an attention whore of the greatest calibre, literally encouraging her bf to kill himself so she gets sympathy.

>>741753573
What rejection?

>>741753495
There was no threat. So even if you think she "psychologically harmed" him, it wasn't to enhance the credibility of a threat. So she didn't coerce him. Are you just going to keep googling different definitions of coercion hoping you can find one that makes what you're saying make sense? Coercion means what it means, to force someone to do something via threats or force. She didn't do that.

>>741751912
>he spent months telling her it was the only for him to be happy, at first she told him not to do it.
>at first she told him not to do it.
Stopped reading the thread right there.

>>741753578
How can you not think she needs to be punished? its like you completely ignore the fact that psychological abuse is a thing. If i manipulate someone into doing something they would otherwise NOT have done, i am in no way responsible? because i wasn`t there when the tools were bought, or the car rigged? If we run with that to the extreme: The leaders of the SS during WW2, who never shot any jews themselves, they just convinced other people to do it for them, are they NOT criminals? are they not to blame in any way, just because they didn`t pull the trigger?

>>741753708
Because legal implementation on the shaky grounds of a few cases like this on the bulk of us. Dont care about one fucky individual, care about the implications for thebulk of us.

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>>741753708
That's just what the prosecution said in an attempt to vilify her. She told him to kill himself because he spent months telling her it was the only way for him to be happy. And told her friend "I couldn't have him go on living how he was living anymore". Besides I don't like the idea you are blamed for what someone else does because you said kys.

>>741753578

It is assistance.

Give someone money to buy a gun to kill themselves - assistance.
Give someone a car to drive off a cliff - assistance
Give someone the drugs - assistance
Give someone the money to do it whatever way they want - assistance
Giving people emotional and physical support to die - assistance
Goading people and pushing them towards suicide - assistance both mental and aural.

Just how someone who plays music at early hours every day and keeps a neighbour awake who kills themselves, they are liable to be prosecuted for manslaughter.

She fucked up. She going to jail.

And none of you cucks can do anything about it.

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>this thread

yikes, the amount of manic panic bought between you all must be astounding.

>>741753781
So you know nothing about the case? She spent months telling him to do it. He was always suicidal, kept telling her about it, and she told him not to.

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>>741751022
This is so different it's not funny lmao. You honestly consider this the same thing as that? Your holding my mother captive. Where the flying fuck does that relate to this situation? Did she hold his mother and say she was going to kill her if he didn't go through with it? No. your a dumb cunt and your post pissed me off

>>741753882

Why didn't she contact authorities?
Why didn't she block him?
Why didn't she do anything to stop him?

Because she wanted him to die.

It is as easy as that.

>>741753828
One fucker tells another to kill themselves is a tiny scale comparison to something like that. You piss yourself if a bird swoops to close dont you? Chicken little type mofo...

>>741753828
She didn't psychologically abuse him. She just told him to do what he had been telling her he wanted to do for months. Also telling someone to commit a crime is incitement and a crime. Suicide is not a crime. Also those lead to a victim, the person who is the targetted by the crime. In this case, the guy chose to kill himself, so there was no victim.

Retard commited suicide and an innocent girl gets convicted for it, sad!

>>741753996
Yes that's what I said, can you read? He told her the only way for him to be happy was for him to die.

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I can't believe this thread lmao
If the only person keeping you on planet earth is the woman you love and she's telling you to kill yourself you lose all your remaining hope.

It's like telling someone with a deadly virus or desease to kill themselves, because they'll die either way

>>741750405
Millennials are spoiled pussies.

>>741753762
Conrad was suicidal and a threat to himself

"But there's a point that comes where there isn't anything anyone can do to save you, not even yourself, and you've hit that point"

She caused him psychological harm to encourage that threat

If someone points a gun at you and and his buddy tells you he's going to shoot you they're both guilty of coercion, legally referred to as accomplice liability/aiding and abetting

>>741753933
You are right in that I learned about the case from this thread.

But, young women are just as vulnerable to their boyfriends as the other way around. And it seems to me that he had first made her think that suicide is literally the only way for him to be happy, and she therefore felt that it was her duty to support him in his decision. Might be that only those two know how things (and dynamics between those two) really went.

>>741750405
Got to blame someone. Blame the stuck up bitch, Winwin.

Suicide is a crime.

>>741754117
Eh....

>>741753919
What type of retarded case would have someone prosecuted for manslaughter, because they played their music at night and their neighbor chose to kill themselves because of it. Also what does that have to do with this case. And yes giving someone the physical means to accomplish it would be assistance, telling them to do it is not assistance. And we don't know if she's going to jail until the appeal.

>>741754108

I am talking before that, why didn't she contact the police, or someone else to help?

And there in lies the reason why she is convicted, and they knew she wanted to play with him like a toy.

Anyone normal would have blocked the guy or got help somehow. She didn't, she didn't say a word or block him, because she knew she was getting senpai'd and she loved it, and then she got bored, and was a cunt.

Game over. Enjoy the jail.

>>741751312
there is a big difference between not aiding someone in distress and encouraging someone to kill themself

>>741750405
I too have had issues digesting this story anon, more no child left behind BS. this beta cuck was responsible for his mental health not his deranged girl friend.

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>>741750405
she's going to jail same reason this faggot's in the clink.

he killed no one why is he in there?

>>741750405
Who even cares? This happened weeks ago move on with your pathetic lives.

>>741754253
This, in large part.

>>741754266
Charles Manson is a politcial prisoner.
He's one of the greatest philosophers of our age.
Never killed anyone and didn't tell anyone to kill.
ATWA.

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>>741750405
By your logic Hitler also would be innocent. But we all know it's bait so fuck you nigger

>>741751091
this.

>>741753762
If it makes you feel better you're mistake isn't insisting it wasn't coercion since legally almost anything and everything can be construed as coercion if harm was inflicted to/by someone. The mistake is trying to operate in their legal definition of what is/is not coercion since coercion is a legal term. You should be arguing on moral grounds instead.

>>741754408
but hitler is innocent you flaming faggot

>>741754220

Assistance doesn't have to be physical, have you have had someone assist you with words or did something for you such as good word of mouth to a boss to get you a job?

That is assistance.

So words of both motivation or demotivation is considered assistance also positive and negative.

As for the music at night keeping people awake, some people cannot cope, and even after trying hard through many channels to get them to stop it isn't always successful, so they are left with one option to some - to kill themselves because they cannot cope.

So the person has drove that person to suicide. And that is manslaughter.

>>741754135
Stop talking retarded. She did not coerce him. That definition also didn't say anything about encouraging, it said psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. Do you know what credibility is, it means believability. So that definition meant you psychologically harm someone, in order to make them believe your threat more. She never threatened him. So she didn't coerce him. You've just also posted another example of someone threatening someone, which would be coercion, but she never did. Just give up on saying what she did was coercion.

>>741754374
I know right..
never agreed or disagreed just saying that she will be put down for the same reason if only to feign justice.

if she walks it could potentially open the cell for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqrqaPThCmI

>>741751390
so its against the law to be a psycho in america now? thats a mental illness in it self, however she did not kill him

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>>741754462
What a none obv response wow much creative

>>741754242
Well he had already seen counselors and all that and he still wanted to die, and everyone knew he wanted to die because he had tried killing himself multiple times before. So I don't think there is anyone she could contact, but she did tell him to see the psychiatrist that helped her. She wasn't really normal, she had psyche problems, she probably didn't block him because she has moral character and would rather try to help him instead of block him. We don't know if she'll be in jail until the appeal.

>>741754245
Yes but that post was talking specifically about why didn't she tell the police.

>>741754266
Telling someone to commit a crime is a crime. Suicide is not a crime, and also has no victim unlike murder.

>>741754477
"Psychological trauma is a type of damage to the mind that occurs as a result of a severely distressing event. Trauma is often the result of an overwhelming amount of stress that exceeds one's ability to cope, or integrate the emotions involved with that experience."

The person you love and emotionally rely on tells you you're better off committing suicide rather than getting you help from a psychologist/psychiatrist. Integration of this experience lead Conrad to conclude that suicide was the right choice.

Psychological harm => coercion => guilty

>>741754680
suicide is a crime dumbass.

>>741752572
manipulation and mind games the new criminal law passed in the united states, no child left behind.

>>741754435
Don't know about the legal term but I'm pretty sure the legal definition is the same as the real definition.

The law states it's your duty to help someone who's in harm. She instructed him to get back INTO the truck knowing it would kill him. He got out initially because he couldn't breathe, but she told him to go back. She confirmed his death by listening to him gasping for air then incriminated herself by sending texts to her friends saying what happened.

She would have gotten away with it had she not texted her friends confirming that she heard him die after he got back into the truck per her orders.

>>741752297
Fuck you are an idiot.

>>741754800
these dubs don't lie

>>741754800

I listened to the court proceedings and they explained all of it.

>>741752966
Yes it would be coercion does not mean you physically mentally have to force or threaten. It means you have to fucking coerce its in the damn definition fuckhead

>>741754473
Telling someone to do something, is not assisting them. If I tell my wife to make me a sandwich, I didn't help her if she does everything in making it. Also, unless playing your music loud is illegal, why would you be blamed for someone choosing to kill themselves over it, which doesn't make sense anyway, but if it's not illegal, then why should you be forced to stop just because someone else doesn't like it. What's next, your neighbor doesn't like seeing humans, so he killed himself because he saw you, and now you're to blame?

>>741754704
inb4 that faggot says

>Well those are just definitions man

>>741754789
Legal definition is only real in the sense that there are real consequences i.e. jail, fines, etc.

"Real" definitions depend on cultural application of the word which is why attitudes and definitions on/of words change over time and older laws that used those words screw over unsuspecting people when they're charged with a crime they didn't even know they committed.

It's the same way some people argue that income tax is illegal since income is not gains by the legal definition of income and gains.

>>741754704
Psychological harm is not coercion. Not that she psychologically harmed him. Can you not even read your own definition?

>>741754722
No it's not, anywhere in america.

>>741754848
No u

>>741755014
HE DID IT

>>741754704
Slippery legal slope. So no, not legally. Maybe in some cases morally.

>>741754924
The definition of coercion is to threaten or force someone into something. It's the damn definition fuckhead. Seriously you're retarded, why don't you just google the word and they'll tell you the definition.

>>741754991
I mean they really are just definitions, but in the legal world legal definitions matter. Like Bill Clinton said, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is"

>>741755014
Hey all I did was walk you through it, not my fault the courts disagree with you.

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>>741754704
You are easy to manipulate arnt you?

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Ya know all of you don't need that push, you can do it I believe in you!

>>741755086
Yes legally, hence court hearings and verdict of guilty.

>>741755147
You walked me through your retardedness and inability to read a simple definition. Or you're just purposefully acting stupid.

>>741755154
please refer to
>>741755147

>>741754019
That argument collapses on itself, jesus christ, didn`t know a person with an ass for a brain could actually use a keyboard. You`re basically saying the amount of people killed is what decides if its a crime or not, so what is it? 20? 30? 100000? a million?

Oh, and wtf does my courage or lack there of have to do with anything? AND if you`ve read the story chicken little, you would`ve understood how completely nonsensical and pants on head retarded that sentance is! Congratulations, don`t have kids!

>>741755181
Don't get mad just because of your own limitations, learn from it and increase your understanding.

>>741750405
you cant, thats why she wasnt on trial for murder

>>741754077
Suicide is illegal, you ignorant fool...

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Be afraid faggots, they're coming for you next.

>>741751900
It isn't against the law. It is against the law not to inform the police of a crime. Suicide is not a crime.

She still deserves it, because he would likely be alive if it wasn't for her actions, as he tried to back out of it a number of times. Same as telling someone to kill a 3rd party. Just words, but still a level of responsibility on the speaker.

>>741754137
Yes this is what happened. She was the actual victim and manipulated one here. He never changed, he also wanted to die, so he wasn't manipulated. But she went from wanting him to live to agreeing with his death, so she was.

>>741750600
touche

>>741750827
If she coerced him to kill a cop she would be found guilty.

>>741755176
Aw baby you dont understand your being mocked. Let me coerce you to understanding you are being bruised psychological. Be full of anguish, well... i guess because i am determining your reaction maybe have a little anguish. Im not cruel enough to have you full complete of it.

>>741755027
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/1330/to-what-extent-is-suicide-legal-in-the-u-s-and-in-individual-states

common law crime but is not enforced.

you could state that it is assisted and that is a crime in all but 4 states.

I am not a US citizen and I made my post based on the laws of my country assuming they where the same.

all that aside I don't know where this happened and I still think she is going to go down.

time will tell though.

if the rolls where reversed you bet your arse he would be tossing salad by now, even if she does go down she will get something like 15 minimum of 7 and will be out in 5 on good behavior,

screen cap this for future reference.

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>>741755231
You're retarded.

If someone is so weak that just texts causes a person to kill them self then you can't fucking judge the person who sent the texts...
The person would have killed him self anyways.

He took his own life.
He decided to read the texts.
He chose not to ignore her.
100 his own fault.

>>741755281
Really? SHE is the victim here? Holy shit....

>>741755367
/This

>>741755289
She never coerced anyone, that would mean she threatened or forced him to do it. If you mean if she just told him to do it, that's incitement and a crime, telling someone to commit a crime. Suicide is not a crime.

>>741755341
That's not how you do it, please refer to google+4chan+2012

>>741755367
This.
>suicidal guy who would have killed him self anyways
>get's a couple texts and then kills him self.
>somehow the sender get's blamed
Pure bullshit. He killed him self out of his own free will.

>>741754971

She assisted you in making the sandwich.

Lets not be pedantic, she assisted in his death, no ifs or buts, hence why she got hit with manslaughter.

This is what you Trumpeteers wanted all along for your country, now you have it and now you complain.

>>741755216
Now you have to take a moment and see that you are the only one arguing against what i am saying about scale and relevence. A acorn is not the sky falling there chicken little.

>>741755342
>yahoo answers shit

Also the case is already over and she was sentenced to 15 months, assuming she loses the appeal. She's not in jail yet until the appeal is over, and she didn't assist him.

>>741755518
>>suicidal guy who would have killed him self anyways

Convenient assumption. In what state are counterfactuals valid evidence?

>>741754557
what am i supposed to say? when someone says 2+2 is 3 i will obviously tell them its 4, not much room for creativity there

>>741751234
Exactly. She helped, so she got manslaughter, not murder.

>>741750600
as an arab i can confirm that

>>741755549
so a slap on the wrists.

why are we still fucking talking about something that happened last Thursday?

>>741755367

This sounds like feminazi logic faggots.

>>741755382
Yes, who else is the victim here? The guy always wanted to kill himself and did it. So he's not the victim of anything. He also needed to die because he was trying to get the girl to kill herself with him. We can't have adults running around trying to get underaged to kill themselves with them so it's for the best he's dead. And now she has to go to jail because she was manipulated by this psychopath.

I guess everyone is just going to ignore all the texts she sent him encouraging him to get professional help? The fact that she tried to convince him repeatedly that getting help from a professional would work for him despite him thinking it wouldn't and her even trying to relate her own personal successes with therapy to try to convince him.

Lets leave that out and focus on the fact that even though she would continually pressure him to get help he would consistently ignore it and claim that suicide was the only option he had and that she would listen to him talk about it over and over and he even made her promise him to not let him chicken out if he tried.

Ignore all that and focus on the fact that she encouraged him to carry out HIS OWN plan and even became concerned and scarred when she realized he was actually doing it.

Yea, she is guilty as fuck for manipulating an already suicidal man. but only if you leave out the manipulation to seek help part. that doesn't count.

>>741755518
>Pure bullshit. He killed him self out of his own free will.

Then I guess entrapment isn't a thing. Any police force anywhere can convince someone to commit a crime and then arrest them for it, and that's totally cool, because they did it of their own free will.

>>741755610
If he was so close to the edge that a simple text pushed him over there could have been no other outcome. Simple as that
Judging her for it is retarded.

>>741755694
>a simple text
Those texts were multiple, long, and complicated like the dicks in your mom.

>>741755538
No she didn't she made the sandwich herself. And from what you just said, that would mean he assisted her, not her assisting him. And no she did not assist in his death. She got hit with manslaughter because the judge is a retard making up his own laws.

>>741755681
Again, that is only for a crime. Suicide is not a crime.

>>741755681
entrapment is only valid if you are coerced to commit a crime that you would otherwise have never committed.

Telling a man who is planning to commit suicide to kill himself is in no way relateable or comparable to entrapment.

>>741755630
But she didn't help. He did everything while she was not present. She just told him to do it.

>>741755758
>dicks
>complicated
My corkscrew cock isn't complicated, dumbass.

>>741755681
Yes that's 100% ok with me.
If the cops parks a car unlocked on purpose of catching criminals that good. No normal person would steal the car.

>>741755644
She got too much time for not committing any crime.

>>741755758
and many included her begging him to seek professional help.

>>741755436
Well, somewhat. Suicide IS illegal in many places

>>741755841
It's too late, just accept the burn

>>741755865
where? last I checked it was legal almost everywhere.

at least in the US.

>>741755758
>multiple, long,
Simple solution for that. "delete" There done.
His fault for reading them. When I get spam I do the same.
Good thing his dead.

>>741755666
Hey fuck off dubtrip.

>>741755865
Actually, just checked for you, No where in the US is suicide illegal. So try again.

>>741755865
Not anywhere in america.

>>741755948
To be honest you argue like a conservative

Texts from a loved one isn't spam especially when you're engaged in a conversation with them.

So some faggot got spam texts (of which many consisted of her begging him to seek help) and then he killed him self because he was a useless cunt?
Where is the manslaughter here?
What the fuck happened to "Sticks and stones may break my bones"..?

>>741752032
>what is a peremptory challenge

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>>741755822
Are you fucking retarded or what?

>>741755681
That has nothing to do with anything.

>>741756148
Learn english and learn what help means.

>>741756046
>conservative
I don't know what the fuck that is.
I hate politics.
And why isn't texts from a loved one spam?
When my alcoholic dad sends me texts with death threats I don't go and kill my self. I press delete.
When my ex-wife threatens me with court and shit I don't kill my self. I press delete.
If you can't ignore texts you deserve to die.
If anything you should be laughed at like the weak cunt you are.

>>741755822
Yes she did. She helped him convince himself of killing himself. She deserves prison.

>>741756216
>english

You should too, sperger.

>>741755904
I just googled "legality of suicide" and found a couple immediate results showing where it is and isn't illegal. Assisted/coerced/attempted/whollyofone'sownself suicide attempts vary in legality from place to place.

...still think it's kinda hilarious that attempted suicide is illegal in some places. "ant to die? Go to jail where you'll want to kill yourself even more, that'll help!"

>>741756252
Kill your self.

>>741756235
>If you can't ignore texts you deserve to die.

Whatever you say mr 4chan poster

>>741755846
But that's not entrapment you stupid fuck.

>>741755854
so did manson fuck off.

>>741756281
where is suicide illegal. Telling me you googled it and found something does not tell me anything.

Hey guess what, i just googled it and found something that says what you found was wrong, sooo.

>>741750405
said kys, very bad. deserves death penalty, guy actually did it. Telling someone to kys is against the law

>>741756287
Eat my runny shit.

The parents just can't face it that their kid was defective. Gotta blame someone. She is a cunt, but thst's her problem.

>>741756313
What you ran out of arguments you faggot?
Let me guess you cry like a bitch when you get angry texts just like he probably did?
Hahahaha.

>>741756001
>>741756023
"Suicide is not a crime" and "suicide is not a crime in the United States" mean two different things. Where this particular case takes place is irrelevant to the statement being incorrect. I was scrollan and saw "suicide is not a crime", which is wrong

cause white people speak the truth so when ur white and u talk people listen. If she was black he would not have died cause he would not have listened. Dumb bitch should have kept her mouth shut and make that guy a sandwhich. Now look

>>741756252
So you admit she didn't help him kill himself. Therefore she did nothing wrong and deserves no jail time.

>>741756377
Wait.. You are alive? But I told you to kill your self. Why aren't you dead?

>>741756338
He told people to commit crimes, that's incitement and a crime. Suicide is not a crime.

SHE ACTUALLY COERSED HIM INTO KILLING HIMSELF, SHE HAD INTENT TO KILL SHE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE AND TOLD HIM TO GET BACK IN THE CAR AND KEEP TRYING AND IT WAS WHAT WAS BEST FOR HIM, IF SHE NEVER TEXTED BACK HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ALIVE, IT IS A DEGREE OF MURDER IN THIS NEW TECH AGE, WE MUST ADAPT TO THE DANGERS OF TECHNOLOGY, BECAUSE SHE USED TEXTING AS THE MEDIUM TO MURDER IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS LEGAL TO MANIPULATE SOMEBODY INTO KILLING THEMSELVES.

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>>741756381
/This.

>>741752287
>so much newfags

>>741756413
Can you even read? I just said she HELPED and CONVINCED him of ending it.

If this bitch wasn't alive he most likely would not end up killing himself.

>>741750405
Provoking a crime is still a crime.

>>741756400
oh ok, I see. since we are talking specifically about something within the US and it doesn't fit the argument you made you have to start to say that you were talking about something else and change the parameters of your argument to save yourself from looking foolish.

I got it, don't worry.

>>741756386
>reading texts from a stranger on 4chan
>"if you can't ignore texts you deserve to die"
>you deserve to die

>>741756363
The idea, fucktard, is that if you care enough to know, it'll take you all of 10 seconds to find out with cited sources and I'm not typiung out the list of every single place where each type of suicide is legal or not. It's an assumption that you're smart enough to click a few buttons to save me from having to type many thousands

>>741756427
Why are you even alive with your vile stupid useless life?

>>741750405
This may come as something of a shock to you, but sometimes the shit you say online has consequences for which you can be held accountable.

Fucking terrifying, right?

>>741750405

Please explain to me how a beta cuck like you got this far in life, you retarded fag.

>>741751446
tfw people think freedom of speech is freedom of consequence

>>741756467
>SHE ACTUALLY COERSED HIM

Stopped reading there. Learn what coercion means. It means to force someone to do something via threats or force, she didn't coerce him.

>>741756459
It actually is.

>>741756518
what crime was provoked?

>>741756527
Have you killed your self? No? Then what's the problem?

>idiots in this thread not understanding mental impairment

He was mentally ill, and her actions played against his illness.
It's like how sneezing on people isn't usually considered a crime, but if you go around specifically sneezing on the immuno-compromised you're probably going to get charged with assault, manslaughter or murder.

Bitch should never have texting him and convinced him to do it, if she didn't give a fuck just don't text back but she actively engaged in giving him ideas and told him to get back in the car when he got out with a will to live. That's all, whoever can't see that she had intent to kill and if it weren't for her the deceased would still be alive is an idiot, yeah the guy is a idiot aswell but she got him to kill himself convincingly, it's like saying if someone got people to kill other people that person is not held accountable

>>741751022
No, you dumbshit. That is what we lawyers call fault of will by usage of compulsive force. So, he would not do it, as you scholasitcaly said it "Out of his free will", but out of your free will. He is basically a middle man, a tool for fullfilling your will.

>>741750830
Your inactions cause death every day.
You COULD be dedicating yourself wholly to saving lives right now, you know.
Murderer.

>>741750405
She is probably pure evil.. but i want to glue those eyes shut with my seed

To everyone in this thread. KILL YOUR SELF NOW YOU USELESS SHITBAG.
Have you? If you did is it my fault?

>>741756586
I think you need to learn to read
"deserve to die" doesn't mean "kill yourself"
This seems to be an obsession with you. It's not a good psychological state to be in. Just because some stranger is shitting on you on a image board don't let it get to you so much.

>>741756467
OMG YOU MUST BE A MINDLESS SHEEPLE. EAT A CANDLE YOU FUCK, I AM COERCING YOU. AND IT IS IN CAPS SO IT MUST BE TRUE,

>>741756517
No you just said "she helped him convince himself", therefore saying she didn't actually help him kill himself, just helped him convince himself to do it. Also he had tried killing himself multiple times without her so if she wasn't alive he most likely still would have eventually killed himself. But that doesn't matter he made his decision.

>>741756528
Ahh the ole "I don't really understand my own argument and I am too lazy to even look up a single thing to help my own case so I am going to tell you to do it for me to prove my point" defense.

Clever.

Suicide is legal everywhere in the US. This is a conversation about a case which took part in the US regarding suicide. To think, even for a moment, that anyone here is referencing law outside the US is simply foolish.

>>741756566
No it's not anywhere in the US.

>>741756699
The charges won't stick anyway.

>>741756714
umad, you want to fuck this little blonde 5head don't you... so sad, you could project a movie on her forehead, why are you such a beta that you feel sorry for this murderer, kys.

>>741756674
It's not worth it, people are just shit posting in here.

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>live in the modern world
>people are so cucked they kill them self over texts and words

>>741751333
Newfag

>>741756861
>people
No, just those who are unfit to reproduce.

Yo why is everyone defending this bitch anyway? Typical btard horniness for insane teenaged pussy?

>>741750405
YOU CAN NOT, that is a fact

>>741756658
He was a normal guy. The term mental illness is thrown around too much and is basically a meaningless word, it just means someone thinks something we don't want them to think. Once upon a time, homosexuals and trannies were called mentally ill, not saying they aren't, but now it's said that they aren't. That just shows how meaningless the label of mentally ill is. The only mental problems that matters are real ones, like someone is a legit retard, not someone being sad and not liking life and wanting to die like him. That just makes him a normal person who doesn't like life.

>>741756943
They're not defending her per se, they're defending their own egos.

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>>741750405

>>741756798
I do like a large head, room for brains. But no, the suicidal man would have beenmore desireable. Can you imagine what a loyal thing a man who has nothing and can be moved by text?

>>741756974
Homosexuals and trannies are mentally ill what are you talking about? Fuck you socially engineered virus, bunch of effeminate little bitch faggots everywhere. Back to my lady penis thread

>>741756943
Why are people defending some pussy that killed him self by judging someone else who didn't kill him?

>>741756962
you could plant a bomb in their car that is set off my the text message

>>741755793

No you wanted a sandwich and told your wife to make it, so she is making it from your instructions, i.e. assisting you in making the sandwich.

Doesn't matter what you think in your head, she assisted.

>>741756670
There is nothing wrong with what she did so there was no reason for her not to do it. She didn't have intent to kill, he killed himself. If it wasn't for himself he would still be alive but he chose to kill himself.

>>741756943
Legal implications of her going to the clink for this. Honestly dgaf about her or the story as a individual.

>>741757108
GET BACK IN THE CAR

>>741750405
>Conrad Roy
>He was sometimes socially anxious attending school and going into the classroom.
>He was an all-around high school athlete who played baseball, rowed crew, and ran track.
What? Dude was literally a snowflake.

>total chad
>oh no, I'm socially anxious!!!1

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>>741750405
Poor baby girl bad luck involving with that faggot

>>741756943
Why defend some guy who killed himself, and who was trying to get girls to kill themselves with him?

>>741755793

assist
əˈsJst/Submit
verb
past tense: assisted; past participle: assisted
help (someone), typically by doing a share of the work.
"a senior academic would assist him in his work"
synonyms: help, aid, abet, lend a (helping) hand to, give assistance to, be of use to, oblige, accommodate, serve, be of service to, do someone a service, do someone a favour, do someone a good turn, bail someone out, come to someone's rescue; More
help by providing money or information.
"they were assisting police with their inquiries"
synonyms: facilitate, aid, ease, make easier, expedite, spur, promote, boost, give a boost to, benefit, foster, encourage, stimulate, precipitate, accelerate, advance, further, forward, help along, contribute to, be a factor in, smooth the way for, clear a path for, open the door for, oil the wheels of; More
be present as a helper.
"two midwives who assisted at a water birth"

>>741757139
exactly, the precedent that this sets is Frightening. I am hoping some here will see what this is setting up and actively begin thinking about it and start getting angry.

>>741757149
He was probably bipolar or something.

>>741757072
But they aren't considered that way anymore. Shows how meaningless a label "mentally ill" is.

Honestly l don't think this girl will commit the same crime again or ever kill anybody, she isn't a danger to the public, l think she will be let off. Why destroy 2 lives.

>>741757088
haha only if the bomb ask me if she should explode and I write back saying well you ask me, yes do it.

>>741757107
No she is not assisting me in making the sandwich, she is just making the sandwich. Maybe if I gave her instructions on making it, I would be giving her assistance in making it. But that's not legal assistance.

>>741751721
This

>>741757203
Both where mentally unstable.

>>741757258
Because there are consequences to actions.

>>741757147
I choose not to.

>>741757335
But it will be what is best for you please just do it, you will be in a better place all of your problems will be gone, you're so close just get back in the car. People defending this psychopath, wow.

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>>741757218
Its good to direct the mass. Your not the only one.

This is what the case reads like when you look at the texts.

I want to kill myself
you should get help you will feel better
no I want to kill myself
you really should get help
I want to kill myself it is the only way
I really think you should get help
no there is no hope for me I am going to kill myself
I really think you should get help
no I want to kill myself
Fine, fucking kill yourself then, stop talking about it. If you wont get help then just fucking do it

Oh shit i am in jail.

>>741757314
I don't know about that, but the guy was a psychopath. If the girl had mental problems, at least they didn't lead her into doing any sick stuff like the guy trying to get girls to kill themselves with him.

>>741757411
I choose not to. And how is she a psychopath for agreeing with the guys desire to die.

>>741756517
Honestly, you can't help suicidal people. They are going to do it if they ae set on it. Validation from others counts for nothing with them.
>had an auqaintance who was suicidal
>she would text me at all odd hours
>try talking with her to seek help
>called an ambulance to her house because she stopped responding one night
>angry at me
>stopped caring
>told her do what you have to do but i'm not going to be responsible for shit
>2 weeks later offed herself
the worst was working as an emt
>holidays were a real shit show of juxtaposition

>>741757424
Yep. She's the only victim here.

>>741757475
Assisting him, giving him ideas and telling him to get back in the car when he got out to avoid dying? If she walks away with no consequence this sets a dangers idea that it is okay to use messaging in order to manipulate somebody into killing themselves.

>>741757424
You might want to familiarize yourself with the text messages. There wasn't a one-off "kill yourself" message.

She seriously needs to pluck her eyebrows, that shit's ridiculous.

>>741757601
She didn't assist him. He did everything himself. There's nothing wrong with telling someone to kill themselves. If she goes to jail this harms free speech.

>>741757305

To assist is to help, take a share of the work.

She helped you making the sandwich, ergo she assisted in the making of the sandwich for you.

You are still wrong.

Now stop being a faggot and look up the definition of the word.

>>741757744
She won't though.

>>741757639
You might want to familiarize yourself with the concept of someone offering a humorous over simplification of a complex scenario.

People who read stuff like what I posted and try to draw any kind of realistic conclusion of the authors understanding of a subject completely baffle me.

>>741757753
No she didn't help me make the sandwich, she made the sandwich entirely by herself, and then gave it to me. Yes, help "take a "share" of the work". You aren't taking just a share of the work if you're doing everything yourself. You're just doing everything yourself without help. I already know the definition of the word because I grew up in an english speaking country.

She fucking said... to kys, and he did it, do you thick fucks not get it? l don't want to see this thread anymore, fucking kys. Read the text messages and you will see how much of a intent to kill she had, this goes out to all you wannabe weak faggots who got to get thrills from abusing weaker people, you will go to jail.

>>741757769
Hopefully not.

>>741757939
you just told us to kill yourself, by your logic if any one of us do it, you are guilty.

>>741757939
She didn't have any intent to kill. He killed himself. And there's nothing wrong with saying kys. And she didn't abuse him.