Hello /b/ros, Any spacefreaks here who know how to build a rocket?

>>741395935
*blueprints

Have over a few million dollars?

>>741396205
Well no but easy acces to a scrapyard
Knowledge of IT and electronics
And im good at maths and physics

I feel like this might well be the beginning of an evil overlord

I'd like to kill myself by going to space too, or droping into a volcano

>>741396676
No, earth is already dying why should I make it go faster
I just want to see space first hand and maybe there will be books about me later

You need a lot of exotic materials and r&d to even get off the ground. No way you're doing this with a bag of fertilizer and an appreciation for engineering

>>741397029
Ordinarily I would agree, but he didn't specify that he wanted to reach space while still alive.

>>741396944
Here we have a realistic nihilist

>>741397008
You could have a secret lair under the scrapyard with a lot of hot girls

Yeah nigga you're fucking crazy if you think a scrapyard and you, a single person can make a rocket. You won't even be able to make a fully functional car engine in a scrapyard.

I'll get you there for $20,000 a pound. You got the cash we can go in 6 months.

>>741397029
I just need to catapult me like 300km upwards

>>741397382
Well shit i may rob a bank for that

(Dear fbi i was just kidding)

>>741395935
if you are serious about this with enough time you could get yourself high up into the atmosphere (20 km) if everything goes right

>>741398131
Yeah i thought about hooking my selfmade rocket onto a plane to get at least a bit of height and start from there to get even higher

>>741398131
there's no way you could build a working engine with a gimble so your best bet would be loads of fins at the bottom of your rocket to keep it flying vertically

>>741395935
Why don't you ask Elon Musk if you can sit within the payload fairing of his Falcon Heavy when he send it on his maiden voyage in November?

>>741398314
that would be stupidly difficult to do as planes fly horizontally and not vertically and getting that plane in the first place would be difficult enough

Do a gofundme and be honest about it
Say you want to potentially an hero by high fiving the ISS
People are dumb enough to pay for that shit

>>741398314
Also theres no way you could manage and maintain a liquid fuel combustion so your only and best bet is solid fuel , the only downside to solid fuel is that you cannot extinguish it once you ignite it and that you cant control the thrust on a solid rocket engine

>>741395935
How far do you want to go?

>>741398712
For the beginning 20+ km should be good to attract the attention of NASA
Maybe they sponsor me if i survive

>>741398706
to create solid fuel to you can use potassium nitrate , kitty litter , and powdered sugar. the kitty litter is there to slow down the burning as you dont want +20g on your homemade rocket

>>741398879
20km+ is not survivable
* because thin air
* because impact when you come down

>>741398706
I don't care if i die
I will die trying or i will survive and be famous as “the guy who was insane enough to fly to space alone“

>>741398879
Felix Baumgartner made it up to 39 km with a Helium balloon.
If you are trying to get the attention of NASA and your major hurdle is funding, this would probably be the best course of action.
I would invest in a large oxygen tank and a parachute or 2 in case shit hits the fan.

>>741399120
youd prefer to manage to get into "space" first rather than blow up on your launch pad

>>741399074
great, tell the retard how to blow up his entire neighborhood, good job anon

>>741399206
yeah hes right OP , if you want to get near space and get nasa's attention a massive helium balloon and some air tight cabin is your best bet

>>741399260
Im expecting OP to be smart enough to not do it in his backyard

>>741399472
Where do you think you are?

>>741395935
Nobody wants to go to space.

Not yet.

It's disgusting up there. You hear about them and the messes they have to deal with, and then you hear stuff like in space when they brush their teeth they don't spit the shit out, they swallow it and you want to heave just thinking of it.

Then you think about all these people in a enclosed space and it's been up there for a while you KNOW it smells funky up there.

Space sounds really gross. I'll go up when they have enough gravity that you can brush your teeth normally drink water that hasn't come directly from your coworkers bladder.

>>741396379
> Access to a scrap yard

Op is a fucking brainlet

>>741399120
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Sugar-Rockets
heres a better guide on how to make solid fuel incase you survive the helium balloon

Okay guys OP here
I am not that dumb to not do tests before
it will take a while to do this since i am alone and i am no rocket physician
I will start with small models and work my way 1:1

All you need is a

Coca cola
Mento

>>741399753
Also tell us your age and be honest because this sounds like something a 15 year old would want to do

>>741395935
We don't need you turning into more space debris so you can kill the next manned spaceflight mission upon reentry.

>>741399635
They have filters, anon. Air filters. Besides, you may be drinking reclaimed water and not even know it.

>>741399635
Like i said i expect to die up there i just want to reach my life goal before i die and if this is the last thing i'll do
I. AM. GOING. TO. SPACE.

>>741399872
he wont get into orbit you fucking brainlet and thats the only way he could put debri up into space

>>741400021
oh yeah Op dont expect to stay in space too long you will come crashing back to earth rather quickly

>>741400021
Just in case you blow yourself up on the launch pad.
>www.celestis.com/

>>741399845
I am 20 years old
I work in an IT establishment
I am sick of life and a normal hero would be boring as hell

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>>741399872
>the next manned spaceflight
>implying any manned spaceflight ever happened
Shiggy Diggy Doo

>>741400034
It isn't the idea that he will, it's the idea that he wants to.

The answer is no.

>>741399967
Dude.

That's Nasty.

>>741400168
This is beautiful omg...

>>741400187
>and a normal hero would be boring as hell
why do you care, it's not like you will ever know since you gonna be dead

>>741400187
well ok so you want to launch yourself into space and stay up there , right ? if so you have two options 1. go into orbit 2. escape earths gravity well

>>741400474
Would you rather shoot yourself or fly into space and die slowly because no oxygen and you know you've made it

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>>741395935
try this but bigger

>>741400589
I would neither, because I love life.

>>741400690
yeah it wouldnt work, the acceleration would rip OP apart at launch if not the entire rocket

>>741395935
>giant bottle
>500 pounds of baking soda
>500 pounds of vinegar
go fucking nuts, OP.

>>741400807
just build in a springy seat so it absorbs the acceleration

>>741400842
again , the acceleration would kill op at launch and he would not get far due to drag low down at the bottom of the atmosphere , there's a reason why rockets go so slowly when they are low near the surface ,the atmosphere is dense

>>741400807
Y'all can screenshot this shit I will try this
It may take 7+ years because it is a lot of work to count the wind + thrust speed + gravity and other things but i won't give up on my dream

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>>741400931
>just build in a springy seat so it absorbs the acceleration

>>741400931
still the drag would hit him like a brickwall

>>741395935
>Wants to die in space
>thinks he can single handedly make a rocket

>>741401230
Yes i know it sounds stupid but if I really succeed you all will be stunned by my idiotic idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZPQgSxGKW4

>>741395935
Do you have a very large trebuchet?

>>741396205
>>741397029
>>741397353
>>741398527
>>741399636
>>741400034
Don't listen to these losers OP. People said the same thing to Robert Goddard and told him his dreams would never come true and his legacy proved them wrong. Everything ever starts somewhere. Working your way up is what takes dedication.

>>741401119
What if i build a seat where i can't move any muscle like a whole “suit“
I mean yeah i will feel the 3+ G but it shouldn't break any of my bones

I remember being 9 years old

>>741401849
Thank you at least someone who doesn't think I'm a fucking idiot

It is possible with enough tests and time
And i will prove it to all of you

Op. Have you considered a Cannon?

>>741395935
nigger did you post this on infinity?

>>741402088
I dont think your a fucking idiot and im the one providing half the tips on how to actually do it

>>741402219
fucking brainlet he wouldnt even get 1 km up and hed be dead from the acceleration

>>741402052
My dreams may be childish but my knowledge is getting bigger every day if NASA can do it with try and error i could do too

>>741402496
yeah nasa has the governments funding tho

>>741402346
Nope just here
This is actually the first time i am openly talking about this

>>741402692
how long have you been thinking about this ?

>>741402656
And i can only try my best with literally no funding at all
If it works its good if not I'll have to try more even if i really just succeed when i am 70 years old

>>741402796
I have been thinking about this since I am 17 years old
It was just a spark of an idea which grew into a raw plan and now i will try to make that dream a reality

bounce castles

Let me break it down in two basic variants.
Helium baloon - Gets you to 30km of alt.
- It is as far as it would go with this amount of weight .
-Can't be steered.
Rocket fuel - Gets you as far as LEOrbit
-Much shit can go wrong
-You could be a living firework
If anyone has an idea of flying on helium and then boosting out via solid fuel im sorry to burst your baloon but the trust generated by a rocket engine at a 30km altitude will not be enough to break you into orbit.

Building something like that would be pretty hard as is .
Helium baloons tend to lift somewhere in the lines of a gram per liter.
Rockets mass needs to be 90% fuel , so best case scenario you would need a 600kg rocket with you in it . That is if you go out of your basement and get to 60kg from your starting 150. So simple math here is
600000 liters of helium ,a baloon with 10X10X10 dimensions (accounting for gas expansion) 500kilos of solid good quality rocket fuel (best case scenario would be staged).
And this is all without accounting to the weight of the capsule(rocket).

Price of hydrogen+oxygen is about $4 per kg.
Price of liquid helium for 100kg(roughly 600k liters in gaseous state) - $5k
So $7000 just for fuel.
Account for cost of building and telemetry and see it would be far much easier to an hero on video and get someone to post it here when you off yourself.

>>741403105
Well thank you for the quick break down i was going to do that rn

>>741403105
As i said earlier OP , has no chance of building a liquid engine so solid fuel or a helium balloon is the only way to go for him

>>741403105
Continuing from that there is a fun and easy way to cheat. Find an astronaut scheduled to go to ISS , kill him before he gets in his suit. Put that shit on and get to the fucking rocket.. You will sure get NASA's attention that way.

>>741403456
If i have done a solid fuel engine I am going to post on /b/ again

The helium balloon is a good idea to get attention from NASA so i may get funded
You will hear of me in the news

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>>741403918
sorry to burst your bubble but i highly doubt youd get funding from nasa for flying in a helium balloon , if anything that could get you in deep shit and locked up

>>741404532
I would tell the feds what i am trying to do many days before so i have the legal rights to fly off into space and if not i wont take parachutes with me

>>741395935
You can't build a rocket but you CAN build Mini nuclear reactor in your backyard

>>741404905
I don't want to blow up my whole city
I just want to see space

>>741404905
Don't say that you moron. He will try it and /b/ will get closed down for provoking nuking whatever shithole of an amurican town hes in.

>>741404803
You'd think the "feds" wouldn't have jurisdiction in the sky/space.
You might get ticketed by some ayy lmao officers though.

>>741405123
Actually i am german

>>741405078
Id like to help you out more and get frequent updates on your rocket so if you have a skype please add me - "Jim Josef"

>>741405123
>>741405078
Not nuking just high levels of radiation
no biggie

>>741396092
*bloopers

If you get to the Kármán line in a selfbuilt craft i will honestly suck your dick.

>>741405451
No skype but i have discord

>>741405647
Ok making one right now , username ?

>>741395935
Well let's say best case you can get under a tonne for a one man suicide ship without fuel so I would start by build in jet engines or thrusters depending on the approach...

>>741395935
>buy a comfortable chair and tie it to ground
>buy shit loads of helium balloons
>fill them up and tie to chair
>make sure the setup is all stable
>an hero by going to space with helium balloons
>livestream or record it
>???
>proit by being first anon to an hero in space

>>741405532
Get your cheeks ready because that is my goal after i beat the 20km mark

Can anyone calculate how less energy would be needed if the launch is during a solar eclipse?

>>741405761
he wont get far and he will die due to the lack of oxygen and the freezing temperatures

>>741405870
completely not worth id say

>>741405723
Mokka#4160

>>741405761
well getting close enough to the stratsophere or whatever the fuck layer you can get near before you die

If OP somehow manages to do this he will be a legend

>>741401849
W-what? That's not what anyone was getting at. It's the way he wants to do it that's fucking impossible. If hes inclined on seeing space with his own eyes then yes i think he can do it with time, education, dedication to the field and good networking to get in the places he needs to be. But this nigger wants to build a rocket with sheet metal and little know how and blow himself up. He absolutely cannot do it by himself.

Good luck getting above 18000 meters without a pressurised suit you faggot.

>>741395935
http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/

I believe they know.

OP don't listen to these assholes

If you really do research and a lot of calculation as well as tons of handy work you could do it. Especially if you lifted a heavy rocket with balloons and that would do most of the heavy lifting

>>741406188
If they make a movie out of it pls call it space frogs

>>741406218
Wrong, hell arabs blow themselves up on a hourly basis.
>get cut
>get some c4 or dynamite
>strap yourself in a chair tied to $4000 worth of helium baloons
>make 4th of july great again
<jew?

>>741406247
Thank you for the Information it is now noted on the todo list

>>741403914
Yeah good luck getting past clearance without getting your ass tackled

>>741395935
>>741396379

the main problem assuming you manage to build a rocket that will actually function and travel a set trajectory is being able to acquire the fuel. its not something that normally gets sold to random weirdos

also do you intend to make it to space alive? or do you just want your body to be there?

>>741406728
I would prefer to get up there alive but if i die in the process shit happens

Realistically you'll need a huge rocket just to get into orbit and you need very precise calculations and you'll need to not get fucked by space debris if you somehow get up there. It's not as simple as going up really fast

>>741406589

This idiot is making a to-do-list for his rocket isnt he?
Germans build cars faggit, not rokits.

>>741406728
if he uses solid fuel he should be completely fine as its cheap to make and easy to get the ingredients to make

>>741399967
>Besides, you may be drinking reclaimed water and not even know it.

the earth is a closed cycle.

dinosaurs walked the earth for about 100 million years.

Statistically speaking, we are all drinking recycled dinosaur piss.

>>741406956
I hope he's got dedication because hes gonna need to make a ton

>>741406585
That's funny but you know what i mean, i applaud his enthusiasm for having such a strong dream and maybe he'll come to his sense and realize the way he wants it is just not possible. Like literally physics will not fucking allow his cheapo balloons or basic ass engines to break through any barriers.

>>741407088
And breathing ancient farts.

>>741407136
He'll need stupid amounts of solid fuel

>>741400710
Have fun being immortal then.
>oh wait

If you can somehow build a plasma powered rocket and not burn everything down you'll need far less fuel than with solid or liquid engines. Good luck trying to make it though

>>741407173
If everything won't work in the way i want it to I will try to attract the media to my idea and maybe get funded elsewhere

>>741395935
I have done it but the freaks here won't let me tell you how. 399

>>741407908
Where you the guy with the radioactive shit? If so pls dont tell me because this would be my last straw

>>741407211
Honestly I'd rather drink space piss then earth piss contaminated with the with pesticides, medications phytoestroegens globalists etc

>>741408065
Don't be so upset...... I'm only trying to help.

>>741408065
Nope that'd be me. I dropped some actual advice so I'm not just shitposting

>>741408256
uninformed asshole..

>>741408283
I knoooow but i am a little scared because i know that the people on /b/ actually have such information and having nuclear power makes me an enemy to the government and all i want to do is visit space let out a big fart for humanity and laugh as i die

>>741408496
You'll maybe get to space eventually if you get stronger metals and put in A LOT of hours. In the meantime here's a live feed from the iss
https://youtu.be/RtU_mdL2vBM

>>741408445
I was joking, prick, elaborate?

Lel the air force is gonna shoot you down

>>741401849
Op wants to kill himself in space.

Doesn't sound like much of a dream

>>741409303
I think your dumbass is replying to the wrong post....... Correct???

>>741409095
Just imagine you could be there in this infinite emptiness
You can't hear shit its pure perfection of silence
And you float around and be just free of earths laws and physics

Op just wants to go to space.

Staying there would be a task for a nation or incredibly rich.

All op needs is a couple weather balloons, a bunch of helium, a lawn chair and a bb gun. I would bring a parachute for good measure, but by no means necessary.

>>741400263

Go back to /pol/

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>>741400931
There used to be comic strips with these kind of solutions.

>>741395935
>Helium as high as you can
>when helium ride starts to deflate from pressure, fill secondary balloon up with hydrogen
>enter upper atmosphere then space
>?????
>space anon

>>741411317
I'll write that down just to be sure to get everything
Every idea will be tested in a small scale scenario

>>741409989
Several seconds in, your skin starts burning, cosmic radiation perforates your entire body, you see thousands of tiny flashes, your lungs explosively decompress, your blood boils, you have little to no control over your momentum, and all the heat that comes from you radiates around you.

>>741411703
Don't waste your time with the balloon. You'll get high up maybe but not into space. Plus you'd most likely die before reaching any considerable height

>>741411732
Plus side is you'll be unconscious in a few seconds so you won't too much

>>741411732
Well shit haven't thought about that... better get a good radiation suit
Better coat my spacecraft with lead or some other anti radiation coating

>>741412216
*feel too much

>>741395935
must be a rookie at the FBI doing some fishing.....

>>741412290
If i would be from the fbi i wouldn't turn down the offer to build my own radioactive power generator what another anon posted

>>741412393
badge number please.

>>741395935
is there a place i can contact you because i have been invested in going to space and i would like to help make common dreams a reality. ( i would do mostly engineering stuff)

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fbi

Make sure you do heavy research OP. Get your calculations down, run a fuck ton of tests, somehow get stronger metals, get fuel, etc. Basically teach yourself rocket science and get materials somehow. You only have 1 shot to send yourself into space

Godspeed

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atf

>>741412792
need duct tape don't forget!

>>741412654
I posted my discord in the thread somewhere

>>741413513
Can you make a discord server and document your ship there to live on eternally?

>>741412223
I'm pretty sure you can't stop cosmic rays from piercing everything. Radiation and other stuff yeah but not cosmic rays. Them shits can bust up dna sequences they don't care about your suit

>>741413889
You'll get a few seconds of bliss before what will feel like eternal torture though

>>741395935
>Drugs didn't work

Obviously you haven't tried dmt

>>741413867
I can do it
But it will take a shitload of time i will post a link on /b/ when i have made my first success

Don't want yall to bug me about “when is it ready“
I am alone in the building process

Maybe not a rocket but if you want to go out with style get a shitload of weather balloons, fill with helium and attach a seat and loft yourself up. By 8000 meters you will be unconscious and by 10000 keters you will be dead. If the lack of oxygen doesnt kill you the the 10km fall will.

>>741414026
Its hard to get in germany...
Always wanted to try tho

>>741414289
I'd just like to throw notifications on and see what the hell you come up with every now and then

>>741414686
Any help is appreciated
If we do this we can also make our own space laboratory inc thingy like NASA and get funded by the government as maybe the youngest rocket engineers of the world

We should have a nice name...

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If you're still here OP I believe in you.
Think about pulsejet propulsion. Easy to build, simple, and relatively efficient. Build a spaceplane, lightweight, with high lift wings, float it up as high as you can with helium, light up that pulsejet to get you the rest of the way. Problems include, launching from a standing start at high altitude, predicting lift/drag characteristics at the edge of the atmosphere, building a pressurized cabin, and making the thing lightweight enough to be able to float it high into the atmosphere. You could use propane as the fuel and when you get high up, Nitrous Oxide could be your oxidizer, as the oxygen may be too thin.
Also this fucking Captcha lmao

>>741414935
Fuck yea dude, drop the link to that and we can start this shit

>>741414935
ICURS
International council of untrained rocket scientists

>>741415329
Side note: I'm not an aerospace engineer but I feel like air density would have a linear effect on drag and lift. like, if the air pressure is .3 bar, you'd need 66% increase in lift, and would also experience a 66% decrease in drag. Your precious fuel would be better utilized where there's no air to slow you down.

>>741396379
lol you will blow yourself up before even finishing a working engine.

Or ICURSE
International committee of untrained rocket scientists and engineers

Build small pod with all proper equipment.Make as LIGhT as possible. Attach powerful fireworks with a timer set detaching system. Attach massive helium *balloons*. Once at maximum height, fire fireworks. Detach. Fire single thruster engine. Should be in space by then if my mathautismatics are correct. I play a lot of KSP I know what I'm talking about OP

>>741395935
If you want to survive getting into space, but dont care if you get into an orbit, I guess you could just do a one stage rocket with an engine (possibly multiple) and a fuel tank, with some sort of capsule on the top of it to hold you. There's a few problems with doing what you want to do though
1) Fuel. How are you going to obtain fuel. It's not like you can just order some, and you can't make it yourself.
2) The engines. You better be damn good at engines if you're going to build one.
3) Controls. Even if you can build some sort of control panel you'll probably not have a stable enough craft to not just fly into the ground again.

>>741415772
And some fuels work better in vacuums then they do in air anyway so you're right, given that OP chooses a fuel that behaves that way.

>use as many massive helium balloons as possible
>attach homemade "jetpack"
>float up in unroofed basket
>at maximum altitude, jump from basket as to not ignite helium above you
>blast off
>pray to kek

>>741415329
Space plane sounds cool and seems easier than a rocket. Do this. It's not like you're expecting to return anyways

>>741416506
>easier than a rocket
>but rockets are the main
I missing something?

My dream is to shoot my corpse in the direction of a potentially habital planet. It would be awesome if my decomposing mess helped to create life elsewhere, or was dicsovered by explorers a few billion years later.

pKaqaVb

This is the discord link

>>741406913
funny fucking fact
it actually was the german nazi's which first made rocket technology

>>741415892
ICURSED
International Committee of Untrained Rocket Scientists and Engineers, Deceased.

>>741406913
A nazi got NASAoff the ground, you ignorant turd

>>741416832
Actually, the Germans did not invent gunpowder.

>>741399120
this OP>>741399206
b a l l o o n
the only rocket engine you could build is a valveless pulse jet as they can be built with just stainless steel tubing and a propane tank. they also put out pure shit thrust thats probably not worth their weight.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-toCdPlXd6I

>>741416832
The nazis really helped the world progress in terms of medicine and technology, but no, I'm pretty sure China did it first.

We'd be in one hell of a futuristic world if Hitler remained in power.

>>741416791
Just join don't be scared

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You could use a weather balloon. It won't get you to space but you will be extremely high up.

I hate to be a bummer here but there's no way you're going to by able to afford/mix the components necessary for a chemical propellent to get you to space. Besides being extremely well versed in physics, chemistry, orbital mechanics, telemetry and biology. (basically a rocket scientist). It's highly unlikely you would be able to recreate rocket fuel without a multi million dollar laboratory.

You could just float up there instead though.

>>741416506
Also OP, relating to what this guy, and I said, keep in mind there's a point where wings just won't work anymore in thin atmosphere. If you do actually break out of the atmosphere. You will literally have no way to control your craft. You'd either have to rig an RCS system, or call that a successful mission and accept that re-entry will destroy your craft and you with it.

>>741398314
Hot air balloon

You could do a bipropellant rocket using hydrazine hydrate and hydrogen peroxide.
Just nigger rig a steel tank to have a bunch of fuel injectors all along the sides, ignite it with a spark gap, gimbal the engine and hope for the best lmao

>>741417366
Everything is getting noted thank you guys for your constructive input

I will get to bed now since I haven't slept and its 6:30 AM here
You can join our discord for more ideas

Sincerly,

Space-Anon

>>741395935
Go to bed Alex

>>741397386
That's so optimistic, it made me laugh

>>741418662
It only has to fire him at 11.2 km/s

>>741406247
Could he pressurise the cabin?

>>741419239
Well if he designed a proper rocket and used normal rocket monopropellants/bipropellants the cabin would need to probably be impermeable to chemicals and have a filtered fresh air supply, which you could then pressurize the cabin with. I believe they usually use asbestos as a chemical barrier for hydrazine.

>>741419064
That's insanely fast tho
But I'm like 50% sure some dude launched himself to space before

>>741419768
That's only Mach 326
Do you want to change your answer?

>>741395935
Knowing how, and being able to do it are two different things, anon. Having the resources are another matter entirely.

I both know, and am able, and do, however, the resources... that's where it ends.

For the fuel, you need to mix bleach and ammonia.

>>741420500
technically that's true, that's how you manufacturer hydrazine (although greatly simplified)

>>741399635
>Nobody wants to go to space.
I do. I would rather live five minutes in space and die right then and there, than have to live 50 more years on the surface.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/10/25/358820835/-near-space-dive-sets-new-skydive-record-25-miles-above-earth

>>741395935
Have you tried skydiving? I haven't read through the thread.

>>741420678
Don't be sad anon. Life gets better.

>>741421132
No, it really doesn't. If you're lucky, you have until about your late thirties before the only people who are decent to you start dying off. After that, your heath starts to go, your body starts falling apart, you'll find yourself stuck in a job you never wanted, and no one else will hire you. You'll go back to school but no one will understand why, because you're old and should be stable on the road to retirement, not changing lanes and penniless and worried about losing your hair and your teeth. After that, it's just watching everyone you know die of heart failure and cancer one at a time, until you join them, in excruciating pain for years on end, racking up millions in medical bills, getting the house you worked for your entire life repossessed in a vain attempt to pay for it, with no one coming to visit you as you rot away in a beige room smelling of piss and vinegar. That's what you have to look forward to on earth. 50 years of that.

>>741421601
You should go to school to expand on your career. You don't need to switch entirely.
I'm 28, have my BSc from years ago, and I went back to school for another bachelors degree but it's still related to my main job.

>>741421601
but wait, that's not the American dream I was sold!
lol