This is the B-2 Stealth Bomber. It is a heavy penetration strategic

>>741147092
>heavy penetration
Go on, anon, making me moist

with an old soviet anti aircraft missile system

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>>741147092
Two of the above.

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>>741147092
Russian S-300 and S-400 sams and their radars can tracks these and shoot them down without problems! Biggest fears of stealth bombers are those same sites, they shit their pants if one of those is out there! Russians know how to shoot down stealth planes.

>>741147092
>How can other nations even compete?
pretty sure that is owned by russia now
just like every freedom loving murican is a russian slave

Utterly redundant now as satellites can laser their asses out of the sky.

>>741148773
Every time you turn on a tracking radar, a tracking radar tracking bomb homes right in.

>>741148773
radars that can detect stealth cant guide missiles

How can we compete?
On literally every other metric. Education, health, economics, civics, enterprise and others. The only leg-up America has on the rest if the world is military spending and even then we take total advantage of your irresponsible spending and you pay for what we don't want too, like the good like cuckbois you are. Americans have nothing to be proud of

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>>741149118

The Air Force is kinda having an identity crisis these days in modern warfare, especially finding their place in the war on terrorism. The era of strategic bombing is a cold war idea that's a bit outdated.

The Air Force requires runways that aren't always available, and the costs associated with constantly flying refueling planes like the KC-130 are VERY expensive. The ability of the Air Force to project power is definitely less than that of the Navy which has floating runways on aircraft carriers.

With the exception of the Parajumper Rescue Teams, the Air Force really has no "elite" forces like Army Rangers, Marine Recon, and Navy SEALs.

What the Air Force does have going for them however is cyber security which they're rather good at.

The Air Force maintains missile silos as well but almost every other nuclear power knows exactly where those silos are located and probably already have their own missiles targeted at those locations. The Navy would probably be more reliable in that aspect with their nuclear missile submarines that can fire from secret locations.

In summary, the Air Force is having a hard time finding their place in the post-cold war world.

The best aircrafts/war planes are the old british ww2 ones. Im talking about spitfires, hurricanes, lancaster bombers.

NOW YOU PROVE ME WRONG

>>741148317
*stealth bomber.

>>741149454
That's easy.

A F-18 would blow a Spitfire out of the sky in less than 10 seconds flat.

There. You're proven wrong.

>>741149302
Laughs in American? The image of the skin flaps and lard deposits covering your neck slapping together is unnerving. I imagine the sounds resemble more of a breathless wheeze then a laugh

>>741149596
yes nigger that's what every American sounds like when they laugh

>>741149630
I fucking knew it

>>741149494
But you cant deny that the older planes have more style etc.

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>>741149687
you must be way ahead of everyone else good job

>>741148968
S-400 costs vs b-2 costs. Maybe you see something.

>>741149735
I'll take superior function over style any day.

An Alfa Romeo LOOKS amazing, but they're actually pieces of shit.

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>>741149849
s-400's cant track stealth

>>741149118
Fuckin kek. Merica being proud to have better living standards than russia.

>>741149876
f-18 is shit plane, its diesel only gets like 3 miles to the gallon and has a top speed of like 50, plus the gun jams every other round

>>741149904
Wat? Are we really talking about the b-2 stealth system? It can easily be detected by more than one interconnected radar over a big distance, 400km ish.

>>741149982
Wrong. It uses JP-5 for fuel and it's gun is the same that has been on many other aircraft platforms. It's a tried and tested weapon that has proven to be one of the most effective in the world.

As far as MPG, that varies on speed and altitude.

You don't know what you're talking about. When I read that it used diesel I actually laughed out loud. That was hilarious.

>>741150061
low frequency radars cant guide missiles

>>741149380
Look at the giant debacle with the f35 costing 1.6 trillion in development and being average in everything it wants to achieve, except stealth, witch has imense maintenance costs. Airforce is most of the time a laughing stock.

>>741150201
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

>>741150230
Agreed.

Don't get me wrong though. The F-35 was a GREAT idea, but some great ideas are just unfeasible. The F-35 program was a defense contractors wet dream.

1. Dream up something amazing.
2. Drag out the program so that you make the most money possible.
3. ???????
4. PROFIT!

>>741150172
Everything uses Jet-A now. Jp5 hasn't been used in years. Prior to jet-a it was jp8.

>>741150172
im a pro i actually designed the chairs personally the whole turbine thing is a lie they actually just jerry rigged a V6 and they have a flame thrower shooting out of the nozzle. Its funny because the flamethrower uses most of the fuel, trust me the weapons are shit the barrels not rifled, thing gets fucken outclassed by commercial airliners, its on aircraft carriers to look cool.

>>741150230
f-35 maintenance is less than an f-22

>>741147092
By building things that are purpose serving?

Glorious B-52 doesn't give a shit about being seen on radar.

>>741150201
Uhm, first off you have four types of aa missiles: optic guided, guided, radar tracking and heat tracking.

If we really only take guided against stealth, witch is the worst one, you still can let a secondary system let them tracl the detected plane. But take it with a grain of salt, russia is most of the time a show off, look up the quantum radar, and what is technical possible doesn't mean, russia really has the possibility to do it.

>>741147092
Too expensive to deploy in a real war non-sandniggers war

>>741150615
just have a crew member on the plane shoot at the missile with bird shot or some shit, its not that hard

>>741150453
Wrong. It uses JP-5.

Look man, I served on aircraft carriers for eight years and have been around F-18's for most of my career.

You don't know what you're talking about.

>>741150504
The cost of maintaining a Mercedes Benz is less than that of a Maserati, but it's still fucking expensive nonetheless.

>>741149876
Well obviously modern planss would fucking destroy older ones, im just saying that during ww2 aeronautics engineering was at its peak. Spitfires could out-maneuver most german planes in the sky. Lancaster bombers were heavily armoured, which mean that it took alot to bring them down and hurricanes went after the bigger german planes due to their better weaponary than its counterparts.

>>741150697
no it uses JP-6

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>>741149454
>aircrafts

I kek'd

>>741149380
You left out two very modern aspects of the USAF, satellites and drones

>>741150335
Yeah, it was a great concept. It was a failure through the delivery companies. But as american be happy. All nato parties don't have fighter jets in development and only very old ones. Basically every country has to buy them to supplement their air force. At least we have the typhoon to attack the 4 missile attack jet. In the end, countries will use them as scout jet and not in the intended multi purpose role.

>>741150764
that's not completely true theirs some expensive ass Mercedes models bro

>>741149982

Fucking Russian shitspamners

>>741150894
*typhoon to supplement the

>>741150771
Um. I actually got curious and looked it up myself. He's right. The F-18 uses JP-5.

"Internal Capacity: 2,024 gallons / 13,760 lbs JP-5"

http://www.vfa137.navy.mil/fa18.htm (official Navy website)

>>741149086
Have two radars. Problem solved.

>>741150172
He baited ya good, bud

>>741150975
naw dude its JP-7

>>741150697
Used to use jp5.

>>741150894
From my experience in military and government, it's a typical example of a giant pie that EVERYONE wants a piece. The longer and more complicated the program continues, the bigger the profits.

Too many cooks in the kitchen and shit never gets done right.

>>741150995
what a radar that cant track stealth and than one that cant detect it at all?

>>741147092
If you could gain access to its internal computer systems it would become completely useless, just like the rest of americas planes and ships.
This is the only chance China has of defeating America in a war, this is why they are spending so much on their cyber capability, same with Iran, NKorea etc etc.

>>741147092
I love threads like this, because it exposes to the entire world just how lame they are when compared to the USA.

We can fuck you up anytime we feel like it, then rape your women and feast on your dinner before your blood is even cold.

U mad, brown/yellow boi?

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>>741147092
with this s-400
its practically the best missile ever invented

http://blogs.platts.com/2014/02/13/us-defense-department-switching-to-civilian-grade-jet-fuel/

>>741151269
We "can fuck you up anytime"?

Hah...we HAVE done that. It's great, isn't it?

>>741151344
Yes. Feels good, man. Every time we've actually fucked someone up (as opposed to saying we're going to fuck them up then sitting here like pussies - can you say "Red Line Obama?"), it feels like "fuck yeah! 'bout time!".

Sometimes people need their shit fucked up, and who better to do it than 'Merica?

>How can other nations even compete?

by paying for an entire year's health care for their entire population, for the price of one of those bombers.

>>741147092
It's been around for a while, OP. I'm sure there's radar that can find it, missiles that can lock it, and planes that can shoot it down. It's pretty big and heavy, and they don't fly with fighter escort. Spend enough on radar, and scramble the fighters.

>>741151571
Shots fired

>>741151520
Argentina will fuck you up any day ill personally come finger ur sister

>>741151571
Lot of good a "entire year's health care" will do you when everyone in your country is fried to a crispy golden brown...

Fuck yeah.

>>741151520
"The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event. That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot."

- Saint Mattis of Quantico

>>741151088
Yeah, the eu has its own billion grave, the A400M. It shows politicians should never lead military development and supporting bad and poorly developed states through military is never a great idea.

>>741151616
>shots fired

and the casualties get treated without bankrupting themselves...

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>>741151571
fucking kek
well played

>>741151673
And Americans wonder why the entire rest of the world despises them.

>>741151643
Why? You tired of fingering your own sister?

Pendejo. ay ay ay!

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>>741151571
>>741151571
>>741151571

AMERICA ARE THE BEST BECAUSE WE HAVE BIG GUNS AND BIG PLANES AND BIG ARMY

AAAMERRRICAAAA

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>>741151643
>Argentina will fuck you up any day

they're going to make a naval assault as soon as the Navy gets refloated?

The west only fights in board rooms for more money for the 1%.

>>741151761
Envy is one of the Seven Deadly Sins after all...

>>741151269
You know, you pay 6 times the money in military compared to china and russia. Maybe you tone it down, just a little bit.

>>741151805
The Argentines had a HALFWAY decent Navy back in the early 80's until the Royal Navy bitchslapped the shit out of them over some piece of shit islands in the South Atlantic.

The Argentine Navy still hasn't recovered.

>>741151901
No living U.S. soldier ever fought for American freedom.

>>741151805
just you wait, Argentina navy will fuck you so hard

>>741150685
>Shooting birdshot out of a plane at 30000 feet

You really thought this through, huh?

>>741147092
>How can other nations even compete?
Easily... you can't really use it without every other nation in the world getting pissed off.

You're forced to use regular missiles, and even then you're limited in what you can hit and have to instead focus on ground occupation... at which point you generally get fucked.

You've got all the great weapons of destruction and expensive as fuck toys that you cannot use without risking triggering of WWIII. Congrats.

>>741151971
Yeah, with your diesel ships that our submarines can detect from hundreds of miles away.

Your navy sounds like a vibrating metal shitbox to a sonarman.

>>741152009
did you? its a damn good idea

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>>741147092
>heavy penetration
makes me rock hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZCp5h1gK2Q

>>741152061
im a fucking rear admiral of the Argentina navy bro i know a thing or two

>>741150697

You are a retard. They dumped JP-5 two years ago abd are now using JP-7a

>>741152195
they use JP-5 you nigger prove me wrong

>>741152061
Fucking kek dude. Shot one up the tailpipe...

>>741151971
>just you wait, Argentina navy will fuck you so hard

I have no intention of ever stepping onboard an Argentine ship, so no, they will not "fuck me hard".

Even if I did, I can swim, so I have a decent chance of survival when it inevitably sinks due to under-maintenance.

How's the airforce doing by the way? Still using the same A4 skyraiders that survived the Falklands? how many are left now? 3?

>>741152156
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>741148837
So you are saying America is a slave to a smaller nation population wise, with a much smaller GDP, smaller Army, smaller Navy, who is recovering from a complete collapse 30 years ago because some spies may or may not have had some effect on an election where pro-democrat Soros owned voting machines were used in many states and millions of illegal votes were cast by pro-democrat shills? How about the fact that 29 states are refusing to comply with the Federal Voting Commissions investigation into illegal voting? Muh Russians though... KYS

>>741152070
The plane is not equipped with a shotgun, also it's a pressurized cabin, they can't shoot their own guns out of it, was what I was getting at, kiddo.

>>741147092
>How can other nations even compete?

Remember when some used trigonometry and shot down a 'stealth' fighter? Good times.

>>741152156
Most Argentines like it in the rear, Admiral.

>>741152286
special modifications idiot

>>741148773
I don't recall any Stealth Bombers being shot down though. So this is a difference theory and practice.

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>>741147092

When normals don't know about the "green lady"
Kek

>>741152373
I was stationed in Guam when one of them crashed at Andersen Air Force Base.

It was hilarious.

>>741152156
Isn't Argentina that one swampass backsewer country in the middle of the buttfuck mountains of South aidsville

>>741152265
we got sabres bro watch out

>>741152284
>so you are saying America is a slave to a much smaller....

Yes. Just look at your annoying orange for president. He's proof that you cucks are retarded.

>>741152250
>Thinking other countries navy will have a chance against the us navy.
Sadly and as expected, the usa is breaking international laws and developing/outfitting their ships with laser and rail guns. No country would have a chance against those.

>>741151743
Yes but with American income, gotten through an American job. Spain's job opportunities Outlook is not that good today, Spaniards themselves are flocking out, even to motherfucking Mexico, to get jobs.

>>741152331
>special modifications
>on a B-2 stealth bomber
>calls others idiot

I'm done.

>>741152439
once our navy prolapses your navies asshole your not gonna be laughing anymore

>>741149118
"economics".... Hmmm.. What country would that be? "Civics"??? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Actually the problem with America is that the country is so damn wealthy that our poor people are fat. The average person is dumb because they don't see the benefit of educating themselves when they already have food a home and TV etc.. The education is there. The opportunities are there, but we are on a cultural decline as a whole. We need to MAGA!! :)

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>>741152466
The Orange One commands the OP's posted picture, faggot. Which means, he can have B2's fly up the ass of any country he feels like at a moments notice - perhaps in-between rounds of golf and swigs of Diet Coke...

Trump is the "peoples President" because he gives zero fucks, and is not a slave to the Establishment.

Go ahead, make all the fun you want, while we're metaphorically fucking your Mom in front of your Dad and Grandpa...

>>741152544
they could have shotguns on the back with some fishing line attached to the trigger to shoot incoming missiles you damn swine

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>>741152373
>I don't recall any Stealth Bombers being shot down though.

I guess you were only about 2 years old in 1999, then?

Ask the Serbians. they did it.

>>741152569
One Los Angeles Attack Sub built in the 1980's could annihilate the entire Argentine Navy.

One....just one....

>>741152664
>painting your own name on your plane

This is why Americans are cunts.

>>741152664
After this photo was taken, they removed kebab.

>>741149596
Yes, we have a lot of fat people in Merica.
But, at least it looks like we will still be speaking English and not living under Shariah law in 10 years. Let us know how that works for you in Londonistan.

>>741152716
not if we send in one of our advanced pt boats and drop some nades

>>741152647
You're metaphorically fucking your own mom, cuck. I'm not even american thank fuck.

>>741149380
You still can't discredit Air Force CCT teams as well as SOWTs. They're usually tasked with other SF groups that are apart of JSOC, so they're important as fuck. The Air Force is always going to have a huge role in the US's military operations, even today. They're there to deliver air superiority and such, which no other country can match.

>>741152414
Ha.

I was there when that pic was taken. MV Explorer Semester at sea

>>741152790
"advanced pt boats" fucking kek. you pulling them out of the sardine fleet?

loser south american countries. so much machismo, so little capability...

>>741152455
>we got sabres bro watch out

F86 sabre, first flown in 1949, or sabre swords?

I know things are difficult for the argentines, but I hate to break it to you. Even Papua new Guinean head-hunters have abandoned using swords. I dont think they're going to be much use.

as for the F86 Sabre? Well, those are pretty valuable.

You could get a lot for those if you sold them to museums in the US and Europe.

You could buy enough ammunition for the army to increase its stockpiles to the dizzying heights of maybe a week of fighting, instead of one single day's supplies, which you currently have...

Plasma induced thrust vectoring ftw!
You guys are old school.

>>741152947
our advanced pt boats aren't anything to laugh about before you know it you'll get pooped on

>>741152754
This always bothered me. During my service we had a nato operation and every country had the 08/15 tanks and jets. Well, except the us. They painted their tanks and planes with custom mods, ie bombs for dropped bombs and skulls for confirmed kills. We laughed so hard. Expecially since it helps the enemy to identify vehicles and jets. You also don't wear rank ribbons during mission for the exact same reason.

>>741152976
we also have meteors that's enough planes to fuck America like 3 times over

>>741151922
Poor people in the US are fat, have X-boxes and Flat-screens. They have iPhones and live longer than poor in other countries. It's a false dichotomy to say that a "tax cut" is taking money from the poor, when that money wouldn't be going to them anyways. It goes toward whatever the government wants, not the poor. Ha-Joo is a typical modern academic leftist.

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>>741149302
cute birdo

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B2... What are you doing?

>>741153223
>Implying we don't need te poor to consume our goods to stay rich
Did you as semingly rich ever attend any economy class?

>>741153241
Harpy Eagle is best eagle in the world.

Eats bald eagles for breakfast.

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The problem today is that no one drinks blood out of the skulls of their enemies anymore.

>>741151934
I would be OK with it as long as long as we were imposing American values and making the world into America. But we are there in all these countries, trying to be low key and be the world police force and pretending not to be, it's confusing and not helping us at home.
Also it doesn't help that America doesn't have good values anymore as a whole. This whole gay pride, tranny acceptance, fat acceptance, liberal anti-free speech, pro socialist, antifa culture is not good or American.

>>741147092
I want to buy 10 of those.

>>741151901
Yeah but this kid is still a jack ass.

>>741151956
Single Payer sucks. People die waiting to be seen on 8 month waiting lists.

>>741152976
If I recall, Yugoslavia used old German Tiger Tanks until the early 1970's...

Sometimes old equipment can still be useful. Also, it's a motherfucking Tiger Tank...

>>741153526
>>741153526
In a way, thank god other countries are just too fucking stupid to utilize their natural resources like the English and Dutch did here in 'Murica.

Look at Brazil: They have nearly the same natural resources as North America, but since they're run by dumbshits descended from lazy Spaniards who fucked Aztec Monkeys, their entire country is just one big cesspool.

Same with Africa and the niggers - they can't get their shit together enough to even feed their own kids, much less cure them of simple diseases.

Muricans are fucking unique in world history - maybe the Romans came close, but no single country has ever combined so much wealth with so much intelligent thought and done so much to benefit the world as the USA.

No brag, just fact.

>>741151978
"Corporate behavior"... Nonsensical argument, Strawman and retarded. Let's see - how many people have been murdered, starved, shot, hung or imprisoned to implement Communism? Against their will? Versus billions of peoples lives enriched, lengthened and saved due to electricity, telecommunication and plumbing as a result of the industrial age? I call the negatives of industrialization unintended consequences, not murder idiot. Virtually everywhere in every city in America there are trees and parks.

>>741153969
Truth. Well said.

>>741154041
>There is only hardcore communism and capitalism and social systems never got thrown over board with time

>>741153667
whereas in the US they die over a few years, bankrupt and destitute?

>>741152007
Not accurate. This is clearly a pro-left version. What part of the middle Dems are for crushing the left? Also Dems want to push plenty of taxes and legislation, Paris climate accords etc.. on everyone on earth in the name of climate change. It definitely seems to me that Dems are the party of Anti life, Anti white, Anti free speech and Pro man on man sex.

>>741152045
Now you are just daring us to do some WW3!!
Hold my beer!

>>741152058
Yeah because we all remember all the people in High School and Junior High taking their free education so seriously... Free College would be more of the same. And it could be hella cheaper right now if they made it so.

>>741154691
I can somehow sense, you never went to college. Well, be happy for the next 5 years, but don't moan, when machines take of your job :)

>>741152466
So in your country - being a billionaire, flying around on your Jet and fucking insanely hot super models is considered not cool? Wow, where are you from?

>>741154934
lol.

He probably thinks the First Lady of France is hot.

>>741154691
Only people who have never worked hard for anything in their life want free shit given to them by other people who have rightly earned what they have through hard work.

>>741153373
>The poor don't have money dolt.
"Stay Rich" so are we now talking about taking money from existing earnings or only on income generated that year? Many rich could get out the game and live on interest.

I've never understood how wanting to keep what you've rightly earned is considered "selfish".

But taking from people who have earned something (by force) and giving it to someone else who hasn't earned it is considered "compassionate".

Fucking baffles me.

>>741155262
Bump

>>741155305
Where is your interest, if noone invests it?
You really never attended economy classes. The money you invest gets put into companies investing in new machines and creating new factories. If people can't consume no new factories.

>>741155165
Wait! Are you saying Melania, Ivana and Marla Maples aren't/weren't hot?

>>741155559
>>741155305
But before the time of no interest happens, people will abandon paper money and move back to barting with cigaretts and food.

>>741151269
Spotted the faggot who wont even enlist up should shit hit the fan and war broke out. The only warrior you'll ever be is a keyboard one

>>741155389
1) ICBMs make bombers, no matter how "stealthy", obsolete, and the need to make better bombers baffles me. The Chinese have developed a very good anti-ship missile then go on to develop their own aircraft carrier program, strange.

2) Money naturally concentrates to those who have it, their comes a point when the "let them eat cake" attitude makes sense to the other 99% and they simply take it from the 1%, whether or not they've earned it. Has happened in every case since the Roman Empire.

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>>741147092
>How can other nations even compete?
a few pathetic terrorists made your entire nation go paranoid for decades.
And you still find pride in a government that "steals" your taxes to fund wars that only companies like Halliburton make profit of.
Oh dear...

>>741155848
>2) Money naturally concentrates to those who have it, their comes a point when the "let them eat cake" attitude makes sense to the other 99% and they simply take it from the 1%, whether or not they've earned it. Has happened in every case since the Roman Empire.
Wasn't that the case with Ford and most of europe? Where People disowned most factory owners and started to install a supervisory committee? I am not that great with history, but I think, something along the lines happened.

>>741155848
A good book you should check out is "The Great Wall at Sea".

I was in the Navy and it was on the MCPON's reading list. It's about the emergence of the Chinese as a blue-water naval sea power.

It's only about 150 pages so it doesn't take long to read. It's very eye opening. I recommend it.

>>741155559
Poor people don't invest. Poor people don't buy stock. Poor people don't buy luxury items. Poor people don't buy real estate.
Don't assume that you know anything because you took an economics class. It makes you come across as very condescending and aloof.

>>741156141
Well, not that anon, but before reading, what is it about?

>>741147092
It looks cute

>>741156174
My fucking god. Either you are a troll or you never even heard of economy. How should companies build new factories, if the lower and middle class doesn't buy their products.
>Imagine you being a mall owner
>You employ everyone in your town
>And everyone buys in it
>Suddenly machines
>You can fire 95% of all people
>You fire them
>Suddenly town poor
>People no longer buy in your mall
>You fire more people, since you can no longer pay them
>????
>Be rich?

>>741156210
It's about the emergence of China as a naval superpower and their research and development capabilities that they're currently doing.

China is a "Green water Navy" which means that they typically stick near their own coasts and hemisphere of influence. A "Blue water Navy" is a force that can actually PROJECT power for many months at a time in any part of the world, like the United States on sustained deployments.

The book discusses everything from China's aircraft carrier program, to their advancement in submarine technology, and even how they are trying to emulate how the United States recruits junior officers through ROTC programs.

The book actually scared the shit out of me. The Chinese are advancing in Naval technology at a VERY alarming rate and this book covers all aspects of that advancement.

You can get a used copy on Amazon for less than five bucks.

>>741156521
That's the thing. carriers are about projecting power, not about defense. Its clear that the Chinese have envied the American carrier fleet since the early days of the cold war, and now they are delivering on that promise to themselves (to be equal or greater than the US in offensive strength).

But a fleet of those anti-carrier missiles, at a much cheaper cost than a fleet of carriers, and you don't care how many carriers your adversary has.

>>741156727
From a business perspective it was a smart move for China to pour a lot of investment into Africa like they are currently doing. It's no secret that Africa is fucking RICH in natural resources but the governments are too corrupt and inept to effectively manage those resources.

Africa is still the "last continent" for development in a sense and the Chinese are investing hundreds of billions of dollars to do so.

Of course, when you invest that kind of money you have to protect that investment. This is why the Chinese Army have started having frequent deployments on the continent.

I don't blame them. If I invested that much money I'd send soldiers to protect it too.

>>741156727
>I say for years, that china will take over the us as global police.

Depends. I doubt it, the Chinese economic system is hobbled by this notion of the Communist Ideal, they are reluctant to give it up for a completely mercantile economy, its what's stopping them now. Plus Japan will never lay down for China, and the only thing keeping Asia out of being a truly dynamic economic world power is the unification of Chinese and Japanese economies. As long as Japan opposes Chinese economic hegemony China can't gain the world foothold it truly wants, not matter how rich Chins gets.

>>741149494
no

Yawns... nobody cares

Military blah blah blah

>>741157240
then go to a thread that is discussing penises and fart jokes, if that's what you want. There's plenty of that talk on the other boards.

>>741157135
When it comes to China and their version of Communism I've learned one thing.

Ideology takes a backseat when it comes to money in your pocket. Get what I'm saying?

>>741157135
You're not wrong, but there are other things to consider. The Chinese and Japanese have a rivalry that extends thousands of years.

The Chinese are definitely at an advantage in this case when it comes to economic and military power these days.

Like I said, you're not wrong but there's more to it than what you said.

>>741157354
Of course, that doesn't mean the entire nation takes that to heart. The leadership knows that, but they've invested over 50 years into the Ideals of Mao, that's not something you can reverse suddenly. What would the Party say to the proletariat, "That Maoist Ideology, just ignore that now..."???

>>741157331
Wow, such intellegent words

>>741157478
>> you're not wrong but there's more to it than what you said.

Of course their is, I can't outline all of what I'm saying in few 4chan frames.

I can however say that a Japanese economic scholar has said this very thing, its not something I just dreamt up:

"If China and Japan ever unified, it would be game over for the rest of the world."

Take that to the bank.

>>741157534
Fair point, however...

George Washington was our great leader but we've left a lot of the ideology of our founding fathers since then. So has China...

Mao is still a powerful figurehead in China but Zhiang Zemin was the last leader of China from the "old guard" that actually knew Mao.

The "New Guard" has different goals in mind for the future of China.

>>741157707
Oh, I definitely agree with that. That check would be cashed by the bank in a heartbeat.

The B2 stealth bomber is a good plane in the same way as a T-34, it was a great piece of work when it was first made but in it's horribly outdated with modern technology

>>741157726
Comparing Chinese and American political and economic histories is like comparing penises and petunias.

>>741157599
Don't say stupid things when men are talking.

>>741157840
I was merely trying to point out that political philosophies morph and change over time, especially when it comes to figureheads.

>>741157941

You add nothing insightful to the conversation. Besides, they don't really change as much as you infer.

>>741157707

"If China and Japan ever unified..."

Yea, if crickets carried pistols the roosters wouldn't fuck with 'em.

There are numerous, well-founded, deeply engrained reasons why Japan and China would never unite. There is a history of atrocities, for one. Completely, vastly different cultures, even without economic considerations. HUGE economic differences.

You might as well say the same thing about the US and Russia. Yes, the world would cower before such a monstrosity. Will probably never happen.

>>741158042
Then by all means, educate me on Chairman Mao. Perhaps you can start from the Great Leap Forward and lead into the Cultural Revolution.

Please don't forget about the Gang of Four debacle and the Lin Biao affair and how it led to Wang Dongxing purge and the rise of Deng Xiaopeng. I'd hate for you to leave that part out.

>>741157707
I will make it short, but it seems like china and japan are having a better relationship with every day. By now the most visited country by chinese holiday traveler is japan and it is the other way round too. Some of their politicians also want an asian union. Even japan asked once for it in the last decade.

>>741151796
Can't afford universal healthcare because the rest of the world expects us to be the world police. Its military or universal healthcare but not both.

what is it gonna nuke 16 different countries?

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>>741152373

This is Zoltan.

Zoltan is a baker. He doesn't give a fucking shit about your "stealth" bombers. He shoots them down with 40 year old Soviet missile systems.

>>741158305
Are you retarded?

>>741158519
He also removed kebab. That was his greatest achievement.

>>741158228
>>There are numerous, well-founded, deeply engrained reasons why Japan and China would never unite.

Yes. But there are also compelling reasons for them to unite, more so than the US and Russia.

Japan and China have many more cultural ties than the US and Russia. 3000 years of shared history and culture. The US and Russia have NONE. ZIP.

Yes, there are differences. But they are much closer than you think. It would take and effort for them to unite, but much less of one than you suppose.

>>741157915
Men? lol
You believe that then

>>741158232
>>Then by all means, educate me on Chairman Mao.

Uh, no. All you need to do to see what I'm saying is valid is wake up.

>>741147092
>even

I got burning gundam mobile suit.

It can turn your child rape island into steaming pile of dust within 2 hours max. make it 2 weeks if I wanna be comfortable with your nation.


It flew like 2 times, once back in old days and once when we wanted to show our American Armed Forces brothers how strong is our mobile suit.

And now the suit is not part of UAE Armed Forces, because my older brother (Mohammed Bin Zayed) is gay fudge packing cunt who had a Japanese boyfriend called Rukawa.

I can feel bad for the soldiers.

>>741158588
Peter the Great tried desperately to make Russia "Western" but failed in the end.

Russia is it's own being entirely. It's an mystery wrapped in a riddle wrapped in an enigma.

It's not East, it's not West...it's just Russia.

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>>741147092
This is russian Tu-160 (Blackjack).
It has twice the mass of the combat load than the B-2

>>741158819

Very true. Besides, the Russian economy is in a wreck right now in spite of all the militarism they are playing with right now.

>>741158672
It just seems that I know a lot more about Chinese politics than you do, especially since I lived there, done business there, and experienced it for myself.

I'm not trying to make this a big dick contest, but I'm just sayin'....

>>741158672
What a shitty argument, you instantly made everything you said invalid.

>>741158958

>big dick contest
>China

>pick one

>>741158939

Yeah, and one missile that costs a fraction of a TU-160 can take it out before it enters an enemy's are space. Your point?

>>741158939
To my knowledge, all of these are rusting away in abandoned airfields these days.

>>741158958
>It just seems that I know a lot more about Chinese politics than you do

I don't think you've made that point at all, quite the contrary, I think I've been much more accurate than you. In fact, I would say you have no idea what you're talking about. Are you just making up this conversation in your own mind?

>>741159177
Knowledge without mileage is nothing.

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>>741151673

Our country is gonna be way more brown than that without bombs.

>>741159003
No, I haven't. Just a point, invalidates nothing.

>>741159236
>>Knowledge without mileage is nothing.

And you've just said nothing.

>>741151978
This is bullshit and here is why. If i could murder someone and not go to prison whats stopping whites from killing all the sub human niggers

>>741159341
Ok man. Let's just cut it out. I was actually enjoying this convo.

Agreed?

>>741159066
Similarly, one missile can take B-2 out.
Stealth technology is fake. See less Hollywood movies.
And yet, the speed of the Tu-160 is twice the speed of the B-2.

>>741151643
>Argentina will fuck you up any day ill personally come finger ur sister
>Argentina plans to buy fucking MIRAGE fighters
Yes narizón, whatever makes your country full of deluded ex-whites feel better

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>>741159109
No. Several of them are now bombing terrorists in Syria.

>>741159711
Ah, the Mirage. That's some vintage 1960's shit right there.

>>741151901
saved.

thanks, anon

>>741153115
And yet we have the greatest military in the world....so your silly opinions don't really amount to much, do they? Laugh all you want, your shit country doesn't even come close to us. :)

>>741152661
If you're serious, that is fucking hilarious.

No, dude, nobody is shooting a shotgun at a missile that travels at like mach 5+

>>741159990
That's a matter of opinion. Wars aren't won with money, or how much you've squandered into your military industrial conglomerate. It's won with intelligent people, so, need I say more?

>>741159793
Yeah, probably all two of them that are still airworthy.

>>741153097
You literally lost a war with home turf advantage to the British who's military was crippled throughout the 80s and traveled from Europe to South Atlantic

>>741159636
No plane is actually "stealth". It just significantly reduces the radar signature to make it look smaller and confuse the radar operator to think it's something else.

Instead of a huge bomber, it can make it look like a high flying bird or sunlight reflecting off of clouds. It disguises it but doesn't make it invisible.

>>741149458
I can clearly see it in the picture

>>741147092
>How can other nations even compete?

Depends on the country. If the country is Iraq, they compete with IED's.

>>741160203
The Royal Navy actually had the capability to travel to Argentina to kick the shit out of them.

The Argentine Navy still hasn't recovered for the asskicking the British gave them more than 30 years ago.

>>741160088
real wars youi should say. All the wars the US has been in have actually been won by money

>>741160416
The british sent a fucking Vulcan to bomb the runway at the Falkland airfield. It was such a little people war, very pathetic. Fuck the belgrado tho wtf were the argies thinking?

>>741160543
I disagree.

Soldiers win battles, logistics wins wars.

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>>741160111
The main problem of Russia is not the ratio of the number of supersonic strategic bombers of Russia and the USA. But the number of thieves in the top leadership of Russia. America can sleep peacefully - if Russian planes fly across the Atlantic, then only to transport the stolen money from Russia to the United States.

>>741160632
Agreed. Fuck the Belgrano. Dumb move.

Epic fail on their part.

>>741160648
and the logistics of fighting Nations whose entire budget is smaller than your military spending makes it entirely money based

>>741160669
Well, I just think that bombers have really become irrelevant on the modern battlefield.

Just my opinion.

>>741160669
both nations ruled by jews. those planes will go both ways

>>741160543
>real wars

Well, it goes without saying. Economic war is 24/7 all day, every day, everywhere, every-time. Competition is constant. It's just a matter of how hot and how desperate the action is.

>>741160795
All the money in the world can't be effective without proper and effective logistics.

Shitty supply lines? Expect to fail.

Serbia

>>741161061
Remove kebab.

>>741160266
40 years ago, when the B-2 bomber was being developed, it was possible to deceive the radar by reducing the area of reflection. Now the operating frequencies of radars have risen to tens of GHz, and old technologies can no longer deceive them.
The speed of the aircraft has a much greater impact on the ability to overcome air defense forces and escape from interception.

>>741159990
That doesn't change the fact, that it is like little kids playing cod and have their custom armor and has a huge tactical disadvantage. Did you serve? I guess not. Because one of the first lessons is to look like the mass and not being a tumblr snowflake. It gets you killed faster if you are different than the unit.

>>741160951
buy new supply lines

>>741161116
This is why I think that the days of strategic bombers, including stealth bombers, are a thing of the past.

>>741161217
Suly lines achine roke

>>741161335
One more thing. I liken it to the obsolete nature of horse cavalry when mechanized warfare came into fruition.

Some Generals refused to accept the fact that their old shit had become obsolete, and they were cut to pieces for it.

>>741161217
>>741161452

Subbly line machine broke

>>741161593
thats a lie. You wouldnt be so rich if your machines broke

>>741161335
Bombers are still quite effective to ride hard the Islamic goatfuckers in the mountains of Afghanistan.

>>741161536
Only 3 nations are relying on stealth bomber by now. Everyone else uses air supperiority and attack jets. Both together cost only a fraction and can deploy the same bomb load a stealth jet can and they are by the factor 3 faster.

>>741147092
>>741148773
retard here, but if those planes were shot down wouldn't the bombs go off anyway? i need soup. Granted their would be some distance but if the plans were in shooting range wouldn't the people who shot it down be in the blast range? I really need some soup.

>>741161716
When it comes to the Air Force and their role on the modern battlefield I think they should focus on cybersecurity and developing new kinds of space technology, including space weapons.

The Air Force requires runways which aren't always available. Strategic stealth bombers are virtually obsolete these days, and the Air Force can't project power overseas like the Navy is able to do.

As I mentioned earlier, the Air Force is having an identity crisis on how they fit into a post Cold War world and living in the past isn't going to help them.

I think the cybersecurity and space technology role would be beneficial for everyone involved, including national defense interests.

>>741161888
Since trips the retard needs to be answered. Missiles are similar to air burst ammunition. They only explode after a minimum flight time. Imagine them exploding on a carrier when they are bumping the ground. By the way: nukes behave the same way and will only explode, if they are in the vicinity, even when shot down.

Look at that vid, the jet pilot calibrates the missiles
https://youtu.be/FFKorQXUAkA?t=11m25s

>>741161706
Perhaps, but I believe it's more cost effective and efficient for the Navy to sit off the coast and launch aircraft for a short trip to Afghanistan.

Air Force bombers have a longer round trip from airfields thousands of miles away.

Just some food for thought.

>>741161888
Someone get this man some soup.

1 They who stand round him as he moves harness the bright, the ruddy Steed The lights are shining in the sky. 2 On both sides to the car they yoke the two bay coursers dear to him, Bold, tawny, bearers of the Chief. 3 Thou, making light where no light was, and form, O men: where form was not, Wast born together with the Dawns. 4 Thereafter they, as is their wont, threw off the state of' babes unborn, Assuming sacrificial names. 5 Thou, Indra, with the Tempest−Gods, the breakers down of what is firm ' Foundest the kine even in the cave. 6 Worshipping even as they list, singers laud him who findeth wealth, The far−renowned, the mighty One. 7 Mayest thou verily be seen coming by fearless Indra's side: Both joyous, equal in your sheen. 8 With Indra's well beloved hosts, the blameless, hastening to heaven, The sacrificer cries aloud. 9 Come from this place, O Wanderer, or downward from the light of heaven: Our songs of praise all yearn for this. 10 Indra we seek to give us help, from here, from heaven above the earth, Or from the spacious firmament.

It's a LONG flight from Diego Garcia to the Middle East for those Air Force B2's and B-52 bombers.

>>741162079
After the american military breaking the laser and railgun agreement, they don't want to break the free space agreement. But they are avoiding it by sub orbit jets. Those can reach every point on earth in 2 hours and railguns have in theory the same punch power a little nuke has.

>>741162353
True, but at this point these kinds of capabilities are just theories. What you're proposing can work on paper, but until it's actually tested and proven it's still nothing more than a theory.

You're not wrong though, I'm just saying that until it's proven it's just an idea on a drawing board.

>>741162353
a railgun will surely only have the energyx that you put into it. Railguns powered by small nukes may be as strong as little nukes then.

>>741160315
Good luck locking onto it. Because those "old anti aircraft missile" systems won't fucking see it.

>>741162485
>True, but at this point these kinds of capabilities are just theories
Uhm, no. Laser are already installed instead of crm centurions. Railguns will follow by 2018. They found their first prototype ship. And the boeing drone was tested 2 years for sub orbital flight. We have scary times coming up. Once saw a paper while serving with the idea of equipping an ac130 with laser for crowd control.

>>741162565
Physic is a bitch. A faster projectile does more damage than an exploding one. Just look up the range of a railgun in comparison to a missile and then you will know the energy being impacted. It is close to the wolfram death satelite someone proposed and costs only laughingly 20k.

>>741162682
Another thing to consider is the use of drones on aircraft carriers which I had the privilege to personally witness when I was stationed on the USS George HW Bush.

One idea that's floating around at the DOD is also having drones attached to submarines. A sub could have several undersea drones attached to it that can detach and attach other ships in order to safeguard the "Mother Sub" from actual danger.

>>741149380
Dude, I am Air Force. We get in our planes take off and drop a guided bomb that travels 900 miles onto a pin point target, we don't have to carpet bomb anymore

>>741162682
These types of lasers are already used by the military. They blind you and make you violently ill. You'll vomit, piss, and shit all over yourself.

>>741162833
faster means kinetic energy though. If you have a projectile at rest youre not gonna get more kinetic energy into it than the power you have available. its probably more feasable to use lighter ammunition with a railgun and maybe some other effects.
But a 20k repeating nuke? no

>>741163178
A 20k repeating nuke would be more dangerous to the operator than the person it's being used against.