Hey /b/. I can't stop thinking about death. Anyone have

I'm a thanatophobic too... I convinced myself that somehow my only goal is to be immortal with technology... It is not that I don't wanna die anymore, it is "I will not die", fuck you God (if you exist)

In the Hagakure, Yamamoto Tsunemoto says, "Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily." Of course that was for samurai warriors, but it's a nifty bit of wisdom that works; if you think about death all the time, hopefully it helps you appreciate life and live it to the fullest.

/not a weeb, just like reading philosophy

>>740929039
eventually it's better than life. Not existing is also not suffering. It's not scary when you think about it, it'll be like being asleep.

>>740929039
Ego death helps.

>>740929109
you're going to be disappointed.

>>740929239
Nah it's not like being asleep. It's like before you were conceived.

Why fear something that is inevitable?

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>>740929039
It's going to happen to all of us eventually, worrying about it is pointless. You cannot have life without death.

>>740929039
The tree eventually sprouts leaves again tho.

>>740929311
Not the same guy, but that's not necessarily true. We'll soon be able to print humans from printers, so brain transferring isn't out of the picture.

>>740929311
Hard to be disappointed and dead at the same time, though.

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>>740929039
i feel ya, sometimes thinking about it i see i spent 1/5 of my life already and i only got 4/5 left of it. i just wonder when i get to that point will i have spent my life worth living or just in my moms basement on 4chan. the thought of becoming immortal has crossed my mind and i would give anything for it just to watch how people will continue through time and crap.

>>740929039
So whats the alternative? Life forever? Really? What a sad and boring thought. Everything looses its value if you got it endlessly. So all you can do is live and stop whining about Things you will never be able to change.
I am afraid of pain and sickness, loosing my mind and become and old vegetable. So i will kill myself when i am like 75.

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>>740929311
>mfw even if I die i won't care/feel anything

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>>740929039
Okay maybe some of these will help:

1.)
Understand that you'll never experience what being dead is like, because you won't have experiences.

2.) Understand that being nonexistent is actually your default state; you have billions of years of experience not existing, and you didn't mind til now.

3.)
Try religion, it can help you cleanly sidestep thinking about death.

4.) Get so depressed that you don't want to be alive. Then, being dead is preferable.

5.) Distract yourself until you don't have to anymore.


>>740929239
It's not like anything. It's like nothing. You can't liken nothing to anything.

>>740929445
Why tho

>>740929590
Science is not about why, it's about why not

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>>740929339
because you know its coming and cant stop it. also you never know when it will come .

>>740929445
Kek. You really think the common person is going to have access to this? Even if such technology is real there's absolutely no way you or I will ever see it.

>>740929039
nigger you gonna reincarnate again and doesnt matter if you want it or not , dont waste time on thinking about it

If you think there is no life after death you must be blind.

>>740929637
Why?

>>740929637
Hmm kinda sounds like nigger logic

>>740929748
Because niggers

>>740929729
Lmao shut up with your cartoon ass beliefs. You're an ape on a rock and you will die and rot. Deal with it.

>>740929734
What makes you think that?

Sorry, there's no easy way to just accept death if you're already asking the question. You have to do it the old fashioned way. As you live and breathe, you can't avoid it, and when you periodically face it, you eventually accept it, like you accept that water flows.

Sure is fun, dying. Like floating down a lazy river at dusk.

>>740929445
Yeah, but printing humans and zapping brains isn't the ontological part of it. How do you know for certain that your consciousness can be transferred, instead of merely replicated? What's an experience, really? What makes brains do good human things? Do you even need human brains to be human things?

What if "uploading" results in experiencing two points in space and time as one person? What if that's not the case at all? What if it's just a copy of you? Would you be upset?

>>740929039
Its not like you are alone in your fear, or alone in death. 100 billion people have already died on this planet, and you are not special.
You will die, you will most likely have a moment when your heart has stopped and your whole body is screaming for oxygen, you will inflate your lungs, but your blood wont pump, and you will fade away.

The best way to accept it, is by not being a pussy. Good luck.

>>740929526
this! and any alan watts speak you can find about the topic

>>740929734
You're either stupid or very dishonest.

>What's the point in being afraid of death

t. Never been faced with actually dying

Eventually you will die and decompose, giving to earth just as the earth gave to you

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>>740929854
you dont know a shit about universe you worthless pleb
also i dont believe in anything

>>740929734
Nice b8 m8

>>740929526
>Understand that being nonexistent is actually your default state; you have billions of years of experience not existing, and you didn't mind til now.

But what if non existence after existence is the same as pre-existence,.or if you even cease to exist after you die

>>740929865
Mostly, cause all these haunted ass experiences ive had in my home town. ("Look up the Green River WY library.)

Also, i read a lot of different articles about people who were declared brain dead, but were saved or whatever. Not all, but some said they had a typical heaven experience with loved ones and that shit.

How would you or I know if we can die? What if you're immortal? Immortality can only be disproven once someone dies.

>>740930116
>But what if non existence after existence is the same as pre-existence,.

Meant to say isn't

>>740929039
Everything that has ever lived has died or is living now and will die at some point.

There is no reason to accept it if you are having trouble. It will happen anyway.

>>740930116
I'm trying to stick to the assumption that there is no afterlife, that's why I mentioned religion as its own discrete point.

>>740929039

I just told myself I simply will not kill myself.

Revenge is the best success.
I think about dying all the time, I simply choose to focus on self improvement.

Long term investment for superior revenge.

>>740930152
I think there's some sort of scientific theory on the heaven shit. It has to do with the pineal gland I think

>>740930152
And they all could of been making up some bullshit, because they usually get alit of publicity or something out of it

Made a big jump from spooky stuff to afterlife based on the accounts of likely religious psychotics

>>740929039
>Hey /b/. I can't stop thinking about death. Anyone have any ways to just accept it? I don't want to die /b/ros.

It's better than living in a white minority shithole with your mind hacked by Zuckerberg.

>>740930295
Continuation.

I have way too many people I want to spite fuck into the ground to let myself die.

Death will be when there is nothing more.
For now I am here and enjoying life.

For it will be hell for me later.
Just want to dance in the fire.

>>740929039
Have you tried Alan Watts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRrCYPxD0I

>>740930373
Yeah i remember that too. it dosnt make sense scientifically or religiously to remember life after death.

>>740929877
I don't think 100 billion people have already died on this planet. There were under 3 billion people 100 years ago, and that was a decent moment after the industrial age.

>>740929965
Having almost died nth times takes away large chunks of the novelty that is being afraid of dying, because you make peace with your life every time you teeter closer to oblivion, and you're left to walk away almost upset that you didn't kick it for the nth time. Imagine making peace with yourself and the world, giving up on your regrets, unpacking it all and then throwing it in a fire, lifting all the weights, everything sorted. You can die now.


And then suddenly, everything is fine.

No worries, you already said your peace about 5 times, already cried, was already angry, already was happy, realized you weren't invincible. Same old song and dance; get back on /b/ and shitpost some more until you really die, but for real.

>>740930214
Fun on a bun.

>>740929039
No one knows with certainty how it "feels" to be dead the same way they assume you had no experiences before this life.

For all we know non-existence could be impossible and even though we may not retain our memories we become something else, not necessarily in a logical, linear, order, but also if the universe/time/what ever is infinite then it's inevitable that probability would spit you out again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuJqUvBj4rE

There is no afterlife. When you die, you're dead. You will have no memory of ever existing. You can't hear, see, feel, or think. The best you can do is live your life and live it well. Over all, wish for a swift and painless end.

>>740930488

I have almost died a few times in my life.
This explains the feeling.

>>740930288
Best bet. Usually the most settling answer.

But consider if you could smoke dmt and recall before being born

>>740929039
I have the opposite problem. :\

>>740930396
Nah i agree. Meeting a dead coal miner is what helped me accept death.

Maybe I'm just a psycho now.

>>740930586
Yeah i heard dmt will remove your "self" from existence. Lol

>>740929445
We are also able to travel around the world with a bevy of swimsuit models on our arm. Very few do that.

>>740929039
Get older, grow numb. It doesn't make things any better, but at least they don't get worse. That's the only thing I've found that works.

I'm not afraid of dying, I'm afraid of being reborn. I don't want to live another life, and I'm completely indifferent when it comes to death. I don't give a fuck whether I die today, or in 10-50 years. Not like it matters.
On the other hand, I enjoy my life to the fullest currently, so whatever.

>>740929526
>2.) Understand that being nonexistent is actually your default state; you have billions of years of experience not existing, and you didn't mind til now.
Why don't you believe in an afterlife anon? It only makes sense.

>>740930748
Not that anon, can you please explain to me how it makes sense?

I am genuinely curious.

>>740930748
it's not that I believe there's no afterlife, I just don't believe there IS an afterlife.

I've never heard the case for an afterlife argued persuasively.

>>740930488
https://www.livescience.com/18336-human-population-dead-living-infographic.html

Rough estimate of total human beings ever is 107 billion. That would make it just about exactly 100 billion dead humans. Roughly speaking.

>>740929039
have a religion, it gives you something to look forward to when you are rotting

>>740930730
Reincarnation would suck. Our chances of being reborn as a poor Chinese peasant girl are about forty percent.

>>740930727
I will agree that getting older does help.

>>740930488
100 billion people, since we evolved into what we consider homo sapiens. Its obviously an estimate.
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx

>>740930824
>>740930839
I don't know. What's the point of creating (If there is a creator, which it seems there has to be.) conscious beings capable of thinking so much that they wonder why they even exist, only to kill them off and never let them think again? That seems extremely counter-intuitive to the point that it just seems like a waster of energy or time, no matter how much time is allowed to exist in the universe. That's the way I see it. At least maybe I'm hopeful, because I'm kind of tired of living on this planet. Nobody works together to make it better like they should and not enough people care or are active enough to do anything about how shitty it is here.

>>740929039
Well start living then. Its the only way. But you will die happy eventually.

You afraid the death because you are wasting your life

Do you think God would just give you the answers on a silver platter? Of course there is no evidence for God or Afterlife, reality was built to be that way. All you have is your life, and you do what you think is right. Don't worry about death, just wait for the next s/fur thread that dosn't fucking suck

>>740930860
>>740930980
>"semi-scientific" method for calculating a better estimate of all who have lived on this orb
>That's because "absolutely no demographic data available for 99 percent of the span of the human stay on Earth," they write
As with all estimates, with the greatest pinch of salt do I take this. It's like suggesting that there are cities on Mars because you can see lines across the surface from Earth.

>>740930621
>Meeting a dead coal miner is what helped me accept death.

>>740930720
Yeah, psychedelics could help answer slot of questions in these threads but I can never shake the premise are psychedelic enlightenments objective or is it all a self serving delusion

>>740931029
Its shitty because I think its a test fam. The creator wants to see if you try to improve the world or not.

>>740930621
I've never experienced a ghost, or an angel, or any proof of god whatsoever like a lot of people have and it makes me sad.

Makes me feel abandoned, if a God does exist.

>>740930621
>. Meeting a dead coal miner is what helped me accept death.

Meant to say you should elaborate, possibly greentext

>>740931162
Yeah thats why i havnt tried them

>>740931198
It's not that. Our creator wants to see us live. Enjoy life, not worry about things and in fact simply enjoy the fact we can observe and think. Enjoy the fact that the sky is blue, and watch the beautiful, green grass wave in the wind and take a deep breath of fresh air and go do what you want to do. And making the world a better place seems to be apart of that.

>>740931234
When i see these things, i always question if they're real, or if im seeing things. Mostly, I always think devine intervention is either real, or I notice a lot of coincidences.

>>740929526
>"Try religion, it can help you cleanly sidestep thinking about death."
>implying religions aren't about focusing on and preparing for death

>>740931387
Wish I've experienced it like some people say they have. They say it's so obvious that the most oblivious person couldn't miss it. Yet I haven't heard, seen or experienced anything that was so in my face, that I had no doubt.

>>740931340
But what if you're some nigger in Africa staring at brown dirt and you can't tilt your head to see the sky because you're so emaciated?

Kind of kills the whole idea

I can't belive my catholic ass is trying to preach on a website where some chick is getting railed on the add on my screen.

>>740931090
It's the best anyone has put forward and it includes estimates for steady population growth (as happens with any species that colonizes new lands), the scientifically accepted estimate of when we became homo sapiens, and allows for the fact that it can be horribly wrong due to the fact that there was no census data. If you wish to dispute it, please put forward your estimate and why you think it is so.

Of course you are supposed to take it with a pinch of salt. The fucking articles tell you to. It's absolutely NOTHING like your simile.

>>740931029
well I'd say there doesn't have to be an intelligent creator. Thinking the universe has a point or goal is a universe-sized assumption that can't be substantiated.

After all, if there's a creator who made everything with a purpose, who made the creator, and for what purpose? If it exists outside the rules of the universe and so doesn't need to be created to exist, then it exists for no reason. If the creator exists for no reason, its creations can only have purpose relative to their creator.

So we don't have "real" purpose either way.

You can cut out the middleman and assume there is no plan and no creator, and the universe will make however much sense it happens to make.

It's possible that the Heat Death theorists are right, and the whole universe will just keep expanding until every molecule is infinitely dispersed at absolute zero, and nothing will ever happen again except the endless drifting of every atom further and further apart.

What purpose would that serve? Do you believe in purpose enough to dismiss end-of-the-universe theories just because they don't cohere to the "plan"?

>>740931441
Mostly true. Can make you feel a lot better about it, though.

>>740931474
Those african kids need Jesus

>>740931518

This is the path you chose.

>>740931474
The world is full of balance, but also the world has changed so much. I don't think that He was ready to account for the fact that a race of white people were ready to conquer the whole Earth with all of the tea they possibly could, potentially giving everybody crooked teeth with their forced breeding.

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>>740929039
just learn to enjoy feeling uncertainty and panic

nothing exists that can't be fetishised

>>740931549
Well, humans suck at predicting anything with precision, especially on the scale of quadrillions of years in a seemingly endless black space. But I agree partially, although I don't think anything created a Creator other than the universe itself. Timey-Wimey space stuff, you know?

>>740931471
Not him, but I'd say it takes a perspective shift. You likely see bizarre coincidences but never notice because your adjusted. Look up synchronicity, it's really trippy. Not exactly if it's the same thing this guys talking about, but I'm getting the same gist if he's talking about supernatural coincidences

I dont attribute it to the supernatural. I like to think it shows how our minds are connected to the universe vice/versa

Sorry, death is a lie. Life is a dream that you wake up from. Next time you go to bed, you are going to wake up on another body. Every dream is another body. Death...doesn't exist. This is eternal torture. This is hell.

>>740931542
>It's the best anyone has put forward
To date. It's a "guestimate". It's already been mentioned how some of the methodology regarding the near eyeballing of history has led to a handful of historically inaccurate gaffes.

>steady population growth
Yes. Steady population growth.

>Scientifically accepted estimate
Estimate.
>allows for the fact that it can be horribly wrong
So, what's the problem, then? It could be horribly wrong, and I think that might be the case.

And?

>please put forward your estimate and why you think it is so
So, make another estimate? Why? I can easily use the same reasoning and methodology found in
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx
https://www.livescience.com/18336-human-population-dead-living-infographic.html
and draw from several anthropological sources of my choosing to pony up on the death rate if I so chose; I could justify it.

What's the point without any census data. It's all conjecture with an earnest polish, the URLs have said as much.

>Of course you are supposed to take it with a pinch of salt. The fucking articles tell you to.
Yeah, so I don't see why I'd need to make an estimate. Why'd you ask me to make an estimate if you already know that you and I know that the article knows? What are you even yelling about?

>It's absolutely NOTHING like your simile
It is like my simile. Assumptions were made in the
>estimate
my dear anon. Assumptions were made in early astronomy when they looked at the red planet.

>>740929526
>>740929316
i'm referring to how when you have dreamless sleep you wake up and as far as you can tell you ceased to exist. Since you can't perceive death or unconsciousness they "feel" the same, as in both cases you feel nothing. I know your brain is active while unconscious but we aren't aware of that.

Passing out is different than falling asleep. Once I hyperventilated and stood up then passed out. When I sleep, I'm vaguely aware of falling asleep and waking up, and usually of being asleep as well. When I passed out, there was no transition. I was standing up, then I was on the floor, no pause or time inbetween. I couldn't tell I'd lost consciousness, I was literally standing then on the floor in pain and it felt like the same moment. As far as I could perceive I stopped existing for the moment I was unconscious, it was absolutely nothing, less than sleep. That is what death is like I think, in purely philosophical terms, and sleep is similar to that.

Fuck you I can liken something to nothing.

>>740929039
What's there to be afraid of. You won't be aware that you don't exist anymore.

>>740931583
Poor argument, if white people didn't exist would Africans be advanced?

Religion offers lazy poor explanations

>>740931973
I never realized that all these philosophers agreed on the fact that we are God much like Alan Watts has. Is this where he got the idea from? Or was he separately enlightened?

>>740932016
I'm saying if evil didn't exist, then they would most likely be a lot further than they are now.

>>740931945
You are refuting the best guess put forward. I asked you to propose another. You have no reasoning on why you think it's wrong. If you did, you would have reasoning that would lead you to what you think is correct.

Milking a cow is like flying a plane. Humans can do both. See, simile that makes no fucking sense because they are not similar in any way.

>>740931959
>comparing "being asleep" with "no longer being"
stop that

I know what you mean though; death is like sleep because you're not conscious of either.

But sleep has dreams and waking up and stuff. Plus, you can't say it's similar without having experienced death before, which isn't possible.

>inb4 near death experiences: they don't count because the people who had them didn't exist while they were happening

>>740931242
Some chinese dude. Looked completely fake, cause he was just like out of the textbooks( soot covered clothes and crooked hat and shit) and he was just fuckin standing next to the boarded up door of this old library in town. Only reason me and my friends would have noticed is cause we were gonna break in this library at 2am. Like the town is dead by then. Once this guy looks at us our radio station changed to am and static and we ripped cheek out of there. I thought it was weird cause the chinese massacre happend in Rock Springs 15 miles east, but historeans say the surviving chinese made it as far as green river. I could feel that miner breathing down my neck for a solid 30 minutes after that whole series.

Become religious. I'm Jewish, we don't even have any set beliefs about life after death i'm able to just trust that it'll be okay.

Literally never worried about death in my life, even when I went into surgery and my life flashed right before a car accident.

>>740932301
What did you experience?

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>>740932205
Spooky shit man. Just googled the Chinese massacre. Skeptical of your story, but being a Chinese ghost burdened to the world by hate for whites doesn't sound fun

>>740929206
>not a weeb
Appreciating culture is fine, but trying to think you can force yourself into it is not. Learn the difference. It might very well save your life.

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>>740932301
Nothing. Jews go straight to hell.

>>740932365
>Driving at 45 mph
>Car pulls an illegal U-turn and pulls out in front of me with no time to slow down
>I swerve but so do they and I T-Bone them

I closed my eyes and saw really 4 big things; my mom holding me as a baby, my bar mitzvah, finding out my parents had died when I was a teenager, and getting my dog when he was a puppy and I was like 5. I think I was 21 when I had the accident so I didn't have much to relive, but while I didn't see a whole lot I had a feeling come over me like I was remembering my whole life all at once.

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>>740932670
we don't believe in hell

>>740931959
When I got knocked out by niggers I was by my childhood friends house, as I came to there was like this second where my brain rebooted all the information, seeing an old neighborhood, reminding me of childhood, then the modern reality of Obama era nigger gentrified as I remembered I was being robbed.

I wouldn't say it was like completely not existing, though that gap in memory is there. Sometimes I can recall being really comfortable while sleeping.

>>740932197
>You have no reasoning on why you think it's wrong
>If you did, you would have reasoning that would lead you to what you think is correct
I didn't think I had to spell it out, because the reasoning was in each article, but okay anon, here's part one.

You made pains to direct me to the
>steady growth rate
right?

Steady growth rate. Hmm. Steady growth rate.

"It is difficult to come up with an average world population size over this period. In all likelihood, human populations in different regions grew or declined in response to famines, the vagaries of animal herds, hostilities, and changing weather and climatic conditions".

Weird. It's like this could drastically change the model and the results that come from the model if you were to plug in numbers you could obtain from selectively picking from specific anthropological studies and their respective models, if any. Like the estimated drought periods following 40,000 B.C. for example.

But, sure. Ask me to propose another best guess. No, ask me to put forth another guess. Another guess. A guess.

A guess.

Hey anon. 50 people died, I guess. That's my best guess. I'm waiting for you to calm down and realize your myopic state.

>Milking a cow is like flying a plane
>Humans can do both
Saying this is like building a strawman. You know very well why I likened this to concluding that there were cities on Mars. And if you don't, take a breather, because I'll bother to tell you why.

The lines looked like rivers to the best of them at the time; they had little data. And with what data they could obtain (Earth), they concluded that what they saw through their telescopes, was in fact, another planet. One with dark riverbeds. If there was water, there might be life. If there was life, it could be like them. If it was like them, and there were so many of these dark lines across the surface of the planet, surely, they were not just rivers, but canals. Artificial canals.

Funny, that.

>>740932705
That's it?

>>740932542
The pic of him and the edgy quote really show what a douche he is.

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>>740929039
you must have had a decent life OP. I look forward to death most of the time. Just wont kill myself cause my family is pretty cool people.

>>740932865
Yeah. Not nearly as dramatic as some people say (but I think a lot of people are overly dramatic). It was an experience that gave me a lot of inner peace.

>>740932998
You don't suppose that was it? I mean, did you feel like you could go further into death rather than just remembering your life?

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Christians, muslums, jews, all acknowledge God. The one japanese shinto i met said there was a god too.

>>740929453
1/5

4/5

you make a lot of assumptions

>>740930532
that's not how the 4th dimension works. We are experiencing what you are describing right now and we can't perceive it. If we could, we would simply be experiencing every moment of our life simultaneously, and that isn't something we can comprehend so it doesn't really apply.

Also we're pretty sure consciousness is just the process of a biological computer, our brain, and when we die the computer turns off. I think it's that simple, but a flying spaghetti monster may have created the universe so what do I know.

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>>740933155
I thought for a second that I was going to die; I was going fast straight into another car, I had a crappy old Korean car without the best safety features. It was completely possible but when I felt the cars collide I knew there was nothing I could do about it.

I ended up coming to rest with my car on it's side, facing the way I'd been coming from. I was burned from the airbags and covered in broken glass but I wasn't in pain so I kind of thought for a minute that I was actually dead but then I started smelling my burned arm hair from the airbag and I knew I wasn't.

No near death experience, I didn't meet my dead family members or anything like that, though that would have been a great experience.

>>740933421
>this post
This is why I say fuck driving. I want to live and not die in some metal and glass death trap. Cars should be banned.

>>740929039
>Anyone have any ways to just accept it?
Alan Watts.

>2017
>not wanting to die
Come on dude, really? Do you not see how fucked we're going to be within the next hundred years?

>>740933516
What are you going to do, walk like some poorfag? Pedestrians have a higher morality rate than drivers anyways.

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>>740933663
I either walk, get a ride, or I don't go anywhere.

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>>740933237
But what about the electricity in the computer, does it just dissipate or does it leave the computer with some quantam property that allows it to retain some semblance of once containing/being terabytes of trap porn?

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>>740934074

>>740929039
Fear of death is normal anon. Just think about something bigger than you, whether that's religion, or philanthropy, or just being a great husband, father, brother, friend, etc. Don't live for you. I know it sounds sappy, but if you live for you, then when you die it's all over. When you live for something bigger, then death isn't necessarily an end to your legacy.

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>>740933760

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>>740934270

Enigmatic buttsex.

>>740929039
I guess you're young.
I used to be like you, always dwelling on death.
Nowadays, I couldn't care less about it and some days it's preferable to living.
Saying that, I am off my tits with Venlafaxine so that may be why.

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>>740935016
Why are you on Venlafaxine?

>>740929039
I'm terrified of death. Not the PAIN of death, but death itself.
I don't believe in an afterlife because it seems like a pipedream. I have a really hard time comprehending nonexistence. Once I'm gone, it's just... nothing. I know I won't be around to experience nothingness, so it's something I shouldn't fear, but I think I'm just afraid of being deprived of experience.

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>>740935247
Why waste your living days on worrying about nonexistence? You literally won't be aware that you are not aware.

>>740929039
thought about death =/= really dying
it's just a cultural, historical phenomenon to accept death as a philosophical concept, whereas in reality, biologically and psychologically it's not true. Ancient men mythologized events of their lifes, building a safe layer of myth between them and reality to such an extent that they couldn't perceive things In a genuine manner as their civilizations were getting older. This bad habit has remained untill today in a disguise of metaphysics.

>>740929206
It's like saying to a blind man, "Meditation on beautiful colors should be performed daily".

>>740935716
But you can't know that for a fact until you die

Perhaps there is an anxiety in non existence and that's why you exist today

>>740935716
I know. And I don't waste a lot of time on it or anything... it's just something that nags at me that leads to a lot of other philosophical questions like:
>Why am I able to remember things if I'm just going to be erased?
>What's the point of life if everything dies?
>If everything returns to dust (or its component atoms, and eventually, some supernova that redistributes atoms around the universe), why is there free will?

Nothing matters, but it all matters a LOT to my own experience.

>>740936113
But you are dying every day.

>>740929039
there's a probability you will die everyday, and there's nothing you can do about that, so just focus on what you can do, worrying about the inevitable is pointless.
entropy always wins, but as far as humans know we can stretch ours out to 122 years before person becomes corpse. if it bothers you that much, work on extending the human life span, find out why 122 years is the current limit and fix it.
otherwise stop bitching and wait for death like the rest of these lazy basement babies.

>>740929039
I just don't think about it. It's not something I feel the urge to worry about.

>>740936113
>thought about death =/= really dying
>it's just a cultural, historical phenomenon to accept death as a philosophical concept, whereas in reality, biologically and psychologically it's not true
Interesting, that's kind of the point I was trying to make with this post
>>740929965

I feel like it's likely easy for everyone to imagine death as a thought, but vividly trying to imagine it in the first person is what inspires more fear/ thought. Dunno

>>740936323
And if you live to be 122, it's not as if the last 45 of those years will be fantastic. You don't age slower. You just keep going down the same path longer than most people do before they die.

>>740929039
You beat 20 million other sperm and made it to this thing called life. Just enjoy your time here.

>>740936231
Well, clearly we are living in the base reality and gravity caused evolution pretty much. Now that we have the science out of the way, we may conclude that indeed our free will, like you said, causes us a lot of pain because it allows us to choose to suffer from existential angst. But, that same liberty grants us the freedom to stop thinking about death if only we choose so. Just don't think about death. And when you die you will black out at once and for all eternity.

>>740929039
the only good answers to the metaphysical are in philosophy. they're very unsatisfying answers, but at least they're sound. if you just want a pacifier, go suck on theology's teat.

>>740936639
>Philosophy is sound

You're just as delusional as the theogists

>>740936604
I've had that exact thought.

But the thing that just eats away at me is that if I black out at once for all eternity, what was the point of everything I did up until then? People say you can live on through your works or your family, or whatever, but it's more like "what good is anything I do or "leave behind" if I can't be around to enjoy it?"

>>740936860
>what was the point of everything I did up until then
Thinking about that makes me chuckle.

>>740929039
This image is wrong. Women live longer than men.

>>740937158
That's because women bleed out toxins. If you slit your wrists once a month you will live forever.

Bump fags. Death is an enigma. Anyone trying to convince you otherwise, are trying to convince themselves

>>740935247
>I have a really hard time comprehending nonexistence.
Nonexistence is a metaphysical concept, our universe knows only existence.
And why do you think that your idea of existence has anything to do with your actuality of existence? Therefore, your idea of non-existence is only a mirror image of a false idea of existence; you fear your own looming metaphysical reflections.

>Once I'm gone, it's just... nothing
It's an opinion of your ego. Of course once it's gone, it's just "nothing", but the interesting thing is, you can change egos during your life. And that which once thought about itself "I am" is no more, so where is it, can you tell?
Modern physics and biology demonstrate us the "nothingness" of all material things, especially of biological ones, of men, and a total inadequacy of the human language. We can veritably say that men are not living, they are life itself. Who dares say "I live"? An idea? A thought? An ego? But they are the most unstable things in existence.

The truth is, people still don't realise that their mind is largely an ancient tribal mind, with its notions and fears.

>>740937035
>Thinking about that makes me chuckle.
I get it. I totally do. I guess my take on it leads to either nihilism or hedonism, but I don't know that embracing either of those things is all that helpful.

Like, if I'm just going to wink out one day, why not maximize the opportunity I have for experiences now? I get to reflect back on those things until I'm gone. But once I'm gone, my own memory is a nonfactor.

I think that's why people try to "live on" through their legacies or whatever, but why would anyone care about that if they aren't there to see others' appreciation for the things they leave behind?

>>740937767
Finally a real philosopher

Too bad I'm about pooped

>>740937767
>The truth is, people still don't realise that their mind is largely an ancient tribal mind, with its notions and fears.
Our minds absolutely have those same fears, because we haven't solved them. I'm not afraid of death--I'm afraid of being dead, because it means the end of experience and recollection. It deprives me of things that I find to be good and beneficial.

Saying that it's just my "ego" that's gone when I die is wholly unsatisfying. I've experienced ego death on psychedelic drugs, and while it's only sometimes frightening, it's usually just confusing. But the idea is that I'm still there to experience the frightening or confusing state.

It's the Decartes' "I think therefore I am," idea... if I'm dead, I don't think, therefore, I am NOT. I want to think and be.

Close your eyes and count to one. Thats death. You're gone and infinity will go by just as fast as infinty went by before you lived.

>>740935111
Saw two sudden deaths in a road traffic accident a couple of years back, one of them bisected/decapitated. Life has been pretty grim since...

>>740929039
If u think about and dream about death it means ur about to be enlightened and awakened and married and in love with something or someone or someplace and be in the universe or ses

>>740937851
>I don't know that embracing either of those things is helpful
>why not maximize the opportunity I have for experiences now
I think that was a bit of nihilism and hedonism exactly right there, and I'd think that course of action is something you'd think was helpful. Doing things, because it won't matter "later". Because your memory won't count for anything if it no longer exists to be entertained or known. Not that it solves the desire to be remembered or to matter, but that it moves towards sating the gripping fear that you'll be gone.

>why would anyone care about that if they aren't there to see others' appreciation for the things they leave behind
Ego, probably. Like
>>740937767
says.

Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not trying to sell ideologies here. But, I chuckle when I think about my finite existence.
>>740938298
>ego death
Well, it's never that the ego has to outright die. It's never that it just, permanently disappears while you're still here. "Ego death" as I understand it, is more like a catharsis. It should be confusing; you're meant to still have an ego at the end. It's just, well, tame.

"Better".

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>>740929039

>>740939014
>"Ego death" as I understand it, is more like a catharsis
I haven't experienced it as catharsis. It's more a feeling of just "letting go" and accepting that you're made of the same atoms as everything else, so your individuality has faded away. You're just a place where more universe has gathered for a minute. Some people find peace because they see that as "one-ness" or something, and I get that--I really do. But if we're all just hydrogen (and therefore the universe) experiencing itself, then WTF?

> But, I chuckle when I think about my finite existence.
I completely understand why it's sorta farcical to care about a finite existence. Either it isn't actually finite, so there's more to it after we die because we move on, or there's nothing after we die, so it doesn't matter anyway. We appreciate Shakespeare even today, but it doesn't mean shit to Shakespeare NOW.

>>740929039
When you death nothing matter, no fear, no feeling, no time, just infinite of nothing

>>740930839
Read Sheed's A Map Of Life

>>740931563
No. But you do. Then you'd help them.

>>740940444
Trips of truth

>>740929039
Instead of focusing on the inevitability of Death and its finality, try to imagine the incomprehensible horror of living for all eternity.

The prospect of Death comforts me. I want things to end eventually. Moreover, if there is a heaven I am going to deny entry. I do not want heaven.

>>740942829
This.