Seriously what's the big deal with not allowing some people

>>740656777
mentally ill people aren't allowed to serve so why should trans?

>>740656777
Obviously the faggots in the coffins. Why do you show pictures of aids-burials?

>>740656864

Someone wanting to kill themselves is a danger to everyone, whereas someone trans isn't.

Trans isnt considered a mental illness (DSM5). Try again.

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>>740656777

TRIPS OF TRUTH

>>740656921
>faggots in the coffins

see:
>>740656777
(inb4 hurr durr fags)

>>740656777
Hopefully everysingle fucking one of em
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9PyNlSztFq4

>>740657169
>Hopefully everysingle fucking one of em

see:
>>740656777 (OP)
(inb4 hurr durr fags)
Didnt read my argument, faggot. Try again

>>740657035
Seriously everyone in the us forces is gay. Most of them die due to violently buttfucking each other. Ppl in iraq are disgusted by their openly displayed homosexuality. I dont know why the american media is acting like heterosexual men would sign up for desert trips with a bunch of other guys in uniforms. Stop watching cnn

>>740656777
The stats on viagra aren't telling the whole truth. They aren't taking into account the long term treatment of gender reassignment, not to mention the psychological treatment they would need.

>>740656931
As lady Gaga put it, 45% of trans folks in the primary age of enlist have already tried to commit suicide. So let's give those people guns. Nothing could possible go wrong

>>740656777
None of them cause trans people allowed to serve.

>>740656864
Honestly if we can find rock solid evidence in the brain to prove that trans is a mental disease then I'll agree with you.
>>740657478
That stand did take into account long term hormonal therapy as well

You have to be mentally retarded to want to join the military.

If you're retarded enough to want to join the military, that's great. Corporate America will always need young people to die for their profit.

>>740656777
None
Trans are non deployable due to there "treatment"

>>740656931
Trans is considered a mental illness, it's Gender Dysphoria. However, I do think they should fight i'm just you know.. Nit picking.

>>740657793
Biologically they are either male or female. Hormanally theybare either male or female. If they think in their mind they are other than their biology, it's a mental illness. Their body physically says they are one thing but they mentally think they are another. It's mental.

>>740658133
That's just it, they wouldn't really be fighting. If they go for surgery, they wouldn't be able to train or deploy for over a year. So we are paying them, but won't get much out of them at least during war time

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>hurr durr I hate trans so I'm going to spend all my free time posting babies crying to flood their thread
Wow you must have a great life. Fag.

>>740656777
Ppl who are in the middle of an identity/gender crisis obviously cant devote full attention to a vital job like military. Their mind and their time is occupied with mental illness.
Pretty simple.

>>740656777
it wont be less people joining because of it it would just stay the same

>>740656777
which one is trans?
the one not in the picture downing it's hormone pills and putting on makeup

>>740656777
>none of them

It isnt the militarys responsibility to accept and help you through your times of lifestyle change and unstable identity.

Its their job to vet people with the fewest pre existing physical and mental conditions in order to provide mission readiness.

The military's choice does not represent discrimination, it represents forming the most capable fighting force possible.

you might be able to use "discrimination" to get a cake baked, not to get issued a gun

/thread also

CIS men die and I can sit here safely in the U S of A living a lavish lifestyle full of luxuries and comfort without even needing to serve, even if i want to? LOL, trump is really making America great again! Woo!

>>740657793
Rock solid evidence in the brain
Mental illness is characterized by inabiltity to mentally function without medication and therapy.
I think wanting to mutilate your genitals and pop meds that fundamentally change you as a person qualifies as illness whether or not some bullshit dsm deems it so. Those "official" determinations are fueled by corporate agendas, ie marketing and commercial enterprises intending to capitalize off of poor souls who fall into drug dependency under the guise of it being socially acceptable

>>740656777
>Bigger enlistment numbers, moar soldiers!

How many traps are there per 100 people?
How many of that said number wants to be a soldier?

kek

>>740659387
TRANS****** fucken lol

>>740658732
This. The military has always had standards and is not an inclusive thing. Too fat? You're out. Too slow? Get out. Why should you put the time, effort, and money into training something that's ultimately going to net you less then when they can offer

>>740656777
Hopefully all of them

OP

I worked for military. It's not going to be easy for them. You can't just go there and be like" hey guyse can i join you guyse and see yo dicks while we fight isis". Like really? The military had their set of rules and regs that define someone as a soldier. There's a reason why they need these set of standards. Not because they hatin on fags but like as otherr said, you need to be physically and mentally prepared. You need to be someone who really is dedicated on missions rather than changing yo balls to ovary.

>>740656777
The gay one

>>740656777
>>740656777
PRO:
- Spends most of their "service" transitioning and on medical leave thus is out of the way for real service member to do their job.

CONS:
1 Spends most of their "service" transitioning and on medical leave thus has to be replaced by a real service member thus costing twice as much for the same position + medical cost on all sides.

2 Weakens group cohesion

3 40%+ of those in service do not want them there for whatever reason, irrelevant, so see the previous point.

4 Only 12% say it's a good thing, the rest have no opinion because they're scared of political correct Nazi's coming after them thus see 2 yet again.

5 Investing time and money into a group of people who are already damaged from years of mental self-abuse and a preexisting mental condition with an odds of 40%+ (to be conservative) suicide rate for the sake of the tiniest minority's feelings is unwise and downright retarded.


A lot more I can name off but I'll stop here.

The Military is not a right. The Military turns down people for age, for being handicap, and for far less intrusive and risky mental conditions than gender dysphoria.

There are no pros at all worth the overwhelming negatives involved, many of which I have not touched on here.

Mental illness automatically disqualifies you from enlistment.

>B-Being trans isn't a mental illness...

Fuck off, if being sad sometimes is considered a mental illness (Depression), then being delusional about your whole gender identity is a mental illness.

>>740656864
hi

>>740656777
still mad about that election huh kid.

>>740656777
We shouldn't allow the mentally ill into the military, end of story.

>>740658439
You are here too.

>>740658908
That was happening long before Trump, also shit-tier bait.
2/10 try again.

>>740660809
Awful as this sounds, if some abnormal characteristics can keep you out, then all should keep you out. Regardless of, from a moral point of view, there being anything wrong or not with it.

The whole idea behind military forces is usually to build a core on similar characteristics, to have people working towards a same goal, without distractions. And being "different", be it short, fat, trans, sad, schizo, etc., will have a negative impact on overall performance and a group's unity.

It's just the way it is. Messed up, but I unfortunately understand the idea behind it. The more bot-like a group is, the easier to order around and set towards specific tasks.

>>740657793
Usually wanting to be trans is the result of a hormonal imbalance or having a low amount of hormones.
I don't agree with the sentiment that bc they are trans they shouldn't be allowed to fight but literally, 50% of trans people commit suicide.

the one with the mental illness

>>740661190
Yes, this is exactly why the military is very strict with who it takes in. They eliminate as many variables as reasonably possible so they can build their hive-mind.

Why the fuck should the military let someone in that has a voice in their head saying they are the opposite gender of that they were born with? The military doesn't let in autists and disabled, why should they let in the mentally ill?

Anyone who uses "trans isn't in the current dsm5" clearly has no idea why we have editions in books. Also the reason is goddamn retarded "So long as it doesn't cause the subject distress it is not Gender Dysphoria" so just so long as a schizophrenic guy is okay with killing demons (his neighbors) don't worry - he's not actually crazy he's just living in the world he was meant to be in and if you have a problem with that you're a bigot.

>>740656777
>"military fights/dies for country"
>Still believing that

>>740656864
I feel like the mentally ill should be front line

>>740661658
Because the dysphoria manifests as a strong feeling of discomfort, not a voice in the head. Stop watching Faux News.

>>740662184
Well we don't exactly have a front line to fight anymore

>>740658732
Why do I see so many new fags /threading them self

>>740656777
why can't trannsexuals be enlisted as men?

>>740656777
post-op trannies serving? fine but they have to be tough enough to hear some taunting.

pre-op trannies? no way. They get the operation on our dime and can't be deployed for like 2 years while we pay them.

>>740657524
where did she get her number from? I mean when it comes down to it that might be exaggeration but it is noted that trans people have a MUCH higher suicide rate than non trans

>>740657321
>people in Iraq are disgusted by homosexuality

They fuck goats, often

>>740656777

кoгa бoли кypaц

>>740662568

What do you mean?

If you're a man you transition to a fake woman. If you're a woman, you transition to a fake man. Either way you slice it you're playing dress up. The Militarily doesn't take clowns.

>>740662757
At this point, the Muslim society is a lot more masculine than most of Western society. Have you seen most of Europe? A bunch of emasculated bitches ruled over by woman and or men that defer to woman on everything. They might as well be bending over and taking it in the ass. They're also currently giving away their land to a far more masculine invader and don't think it's going to backfire, which is hilarious because all throughout history one thing is certain. All emasculated societies fall to the masculine invader.

That's why it's so important this does not happen in the US. Someone has to save world, when the time comes, and it will, from the savages and free the now European slaves from their Islamic grip.

That's another thing well established in History and up to current day. Muslim majority country= slavery.

>>740656777

There is no big deal, this was done to distract people from more important subjects. It is working.

>>740656864
>implying the soldiers arent mentally ill

>>740656777
Less soldiers isn't a bad thing when you consider bumping the numbers up to have more incapable personnel instead of a smaller number of capable killers.

>>740656777
Also, fuck them, that's why.

What the fuck did you just say about me you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the tranny seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on transphobic goyim and I have over 300 confirmed GRIDS infections . I am trained in dilation and I am the top HRT expert in the entire is armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another bigot. I will poz you the fuck out with precision the likes which have never been seen before on this earth. Mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me on the internet? Think again,fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of chosen people across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call a presidency. You're fucking dead kiddo. I can be anywhere any time and can attempt suicide in 700 different ways and that's pre-op. Not only am I trained in unarmed combat but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Soylent corporation and I will use it to the full extent to wipe your bigoted T cell of the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down on you,maybe you would have held your tounge. But you couldn't,you didn't and now you're paying the price,you goddamned idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead Drumptfh

>>740656777
none of them

>>740664205
Edging this hard

>>740658439
>what is derailing a thread

you have one month left to be this stupid, better use it all up and fuck off retard.

>>740656777
Fuck off shill....trans people are high maintenance....military is serious business of killing...not fucking around with post op care.....also the numbers are not even close....you are tendering a false equivalence argument.....

>>740657896
To some extent, I agree, but to a lot of young people, the military is the only option for a career.

One choice is really no choice.

Seeing how signing up for us military is a pointless endeavour and you might get killed/maimed you'd figure the trans would be happy about this.

>>740665427
You do know a large majority of military jobs are support oriented and never see combat, right?

>>740665501
Support for what? Are we currently at war?

>>740657524
They kill themselves being useful and serving our country while avoiding the costs of transitioning + benefits from being veteran. Try again

>>740656777
>sending trans people to war

Why do you hate them so much?

>>740665578
Go to any branches website and look at career opportunities.

>>740665616
>serving our country

Oh please sir, tell us the story about how going to 3rd world shitholes and killing people "serves" the us and makes every country they invade into a paradise, I like that one..

>>740656777
>- Have to pay for their "transitioning"

They can fucking FUCK OFF
If they can't afford to cut their own dick off by them selfs, then they can cut their throat

>>740665678
Using the military to get a degree in something is acceptable, joining to fight useless wars is pointless and retarded.

>>740661321
>50% of trans people commit suicide.

Its like, 15%.

>>740666077
>joining to fight useless wars is pointless and retarded.

Maybe for you faggot

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

>>740656777
Its simple, They are faggots. Now if we can just ban the Homosexuals then we'd be golden

>>740666231
Don't ban them, just make them their own branch, army/navy/Air Force/marines/faggots. I bet the enemy would shoot at them first.

>>740666387
This

>>740656777
To answer your question, hopefully all of them

/thread

>>740658304
Until we can afford to pay for prosthetic for those who already lost limbs for already serving, we shouldn't pay for them to get shit lopped off or added on. That's where the main point of contention is from. Fuck paying for them to have surgery because they're fucked in the brain. Need to pay for the ones who actually lost a limb, and need a legitimate prosthetic.

>>740656777
all the dead ones i hope

>>740656777
Just what we need... soldiers that go OFF to war with mental illness instead of come back home with it. Let's cut out the middleman!

They know once they start openly serving im the military it will be extremely hard to be prejudis aginst them, it worked for black people and japs and countless other minorities throughout history

>>740656777
The ones with hands on them are trans. Making sure those creatures are actually dead. Gotta keep he bitches out of that line of work. Go work at Ulta

>>740662554
Why do so many queerfags start threads with logically obvious answers? Its a fuck you response to a fuck you thread.

>>740666199
This is america god damnit only god we believe in is jesus...unless your a jew

>>740657524
It's a study that UCLA conducted and the number is actually 52 percent age 25-44. You can google it if you try. UCLA has a liberal bent so the number might even be higher.