Man the battlestations, anons!!! VICE is doing a poll to tr

Welcome! to another round of the hit new game show Not! Your! Personal! Army! im your host Chad Chaddington and im here to remind you to always tell OP hes a faggot!

Bump for the trumpenreich

Why shouldn't trans people be able to be in the military?

Give me reasons.

>>740225384
kill yourself. this isnt a personal army scenario

>>740225518
Because their mental issues should deem them unfit.

>>740225518
~40% suicide rate (and youre giving them a gun and grenades??)

high likelihood for other mental illnesses

soldier's healthcare is covered by gov and transies like their hormones and sex changes = more taxes to pay for their dick removals

hormones and such can affect their strength or even negate the effects of training

>>740225384
you are one retarded summerfag.
keep lurking faggele

>>740225547
>asking for help with something only you give a fuck about
>not nypa

>>740225384
These threads have never been about nypa you retard.
They are one of the only half amusing things /b still does these days.

>>740225518
The suicide rate in trans people is too high, not to mention medical costs are also higher than average, besides who would want a bunch of mentally ill people to play dressup while attempting to 'protect' our country?

>>740225547
it literally is.
Example:
>Man the battlestations, anons!!!

>>740225518

I dont want to deal with mentally ill people

I dont want to get my dick sucked

I dont want to get raped

hey are you memers ready for some twitch raids I think you're ready for some twitch raids

>>740225709
im not OP and we're not assaulting an individual due to OP's personal distaste for them

keep lurking, youll learn someday

>>740225609
Gender dysphoria does not inhibit cognitive or physical ability.

>>740225663
For closeted ones.Transition eases, if not eliminates the symptoms of the disease. The real threat is from those that refuse to out their condition.

>>740225663
This

>>740225755
>newfag

>>740225384
>hes
>he's
>he is
Fuckin' idiot.

>>740225725
No one expects the gov't to pay for cosmetic surgery, it's like asking to get lypo or botox with their health insurance.

>>740225756
>I dont want to get my dick sucked
>I dont want to get raped
ahaha you've never actually been in the military have you?
gay shit is fucking rampant and there's a culture of secrecy. repealing don't ask don't tell had no effect because rape is about power, not actually being a homo

Look at all these fags implying that joining the military isn't a sign of mental illness in the first place. Please, bitches -- everyone in the army is mentally ill. And male-on-male rape stats are the highest in the army, trans/gays or not.

A lot of people will cry over this lmao

>>740225942
wow thank you for the correction

>>740225518
Nobody is invading America.
Who the fuck are you defending yourselves from?
You're not at war.
You're not being invaded.
You're not being bombed.
It's not as if you're starving for war machines.
You've already got millions of useless brainless trained killers... do you really need more?

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He's onto you all!!

>>740226090
I take it you're not form america.
People born from poverty tend to go to the military for a few years just to get enough money to pay for a proper college education.

It is basically the only way to get out of the cycle of poverty.

>>740225384
Summer

>>740225862
But it does greatly increase likelihood of depression, anxiety, and/or suicidal thoughts. Which is a massive mental and emotional liability.

>>740225862
>Gender dysphoria does not inhibit cognitive or physical ability.

>does not inhibit cognitive ability.

"Are you a man or a woman?"
"Uhh..."

>>740226493

Either you go into the military with a mental illness, or you leave with one.

Anyone with any sort of self control can keep those things under wraps and not have it affect their everyday life.

>>740226493
As he said, only if you are closeted. Which begs the question: since there's actually no way of telling if someone experiences gender dysphoria if they're closeted, couldn't a trans person just lie and say they don't experience it, enter the military, and become a liability due to suicidal thoughts and depression/anxiety? Preventing out or even fully-transitioned people from entering the military is counter-intuitive to your argument.

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>>740226090
>You've already got millions of useless brainless trained killers... do you really need more?
That's an affirmative.

>>740225384
lol wow

>>740226647
There's no "Uhh..." dipshit. "Born X, feel Y." Gender dysphoria is binary.

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>>740225384
You gay

>>740225081
>not wanting to send the trannies to die in the desert

shouldnt you guys support this?

I voted to Oppose it.

Trans is a real disorder. The amount of Trans soldiers in the army has got to be like 1 in 100,000

A human being should have the right to defend his or her country regardless of their body.

>>740226740
I thought gender wasn't binary anymore

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>>740226651
>"Anyone with any sort of self control can keep those things under wraps and not have it affect their everyday life."
>trans
>selfcontrol

>>740226805
>6 trannies die in the desert surrounded by their entire squads of decent white men who got killed by some mentally ill faggot's incompetence
sure sounds great

>>740226740

Feelings don't dictate reality though. Who gives a shit what your sexist interpretations of gender are that make you believe you're something other than the body you occupy?

Not the military, that's for sure.

>>740226657
Rates of suicide and depression are only slightly reduced among post-op (40%) compared pre-op transsexuals (60%). Gender reassignment surgery is a largely ineffective treatment.

And given that there are psych evals for military service, I'm inclined to think that 9/10 closeted trans people that try to join the military will fail out or be discharged shortly after joining, because it's actually very hard to hide depression and anxiety for long periods of time while your mind and body are being broken down every day.

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WOW OP YOU'RE SO COOL

I BET YOU'D LIKE THIS NEW SITE CALLED HABBO HOTEL

ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE TROLLING IT

I don't have twitter can someone post the results
>>/r/

>>740226896
>implying the military isnt 65% black and hispanic and the only white people are uneducated hillbillies

>>740226833
Not if you put other people or operations at risk because you're mentally unstable.

>>740227016
Gender
.
Women, who number 201,413, comprise 15.5 percent of the DoD Active Duty force, while
1,100,030 men comprise 84.5 percent of the DoD Active Duty forc
e. Comp
ared to 2000, both the
percentage of Active Duty enlisted members and the percentage of Active Duty officers who are women
has increased (from 14.7% and 14.4%, respectively, in 2000 to 15.1% and 17.0%, respectively, in 2015)
.
Overall, the number and ratio of female enlisted members (162,187) to female officers (39,226) is 4.1
female enlisted members for every one female officer, while the number and ratio of male enlisted
members (908,466) to male officers (191,564) is 4.7 male enlisted members for every on
e male officer.
Race/Ethnicity
.
Less than one
-third (31.3%)
or 407,563 of Active Duty members identify themselves as a
racial
minority (i.e., Black or African American, Asian, American Indian or Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian
or Other Pacific Islander,
Multi
-racial, or Other/Unknown)
. The percentage of Active Duty members who
identify themselves as a racial minority
has increased each year since 2012 (from 31.6% of enlisted
members and 21.9% of officers in 2012, to 33.2% of enlisted members and 22.8% of
officers in 2015).
The overall ratio of racial
minority enlisted personnel (354,997) to racial
minority officers (52,566) is 6.8
racial
minority enlisted personnel for every one racial
minority officer.
To conform to the latest Office of

>>740227016
Wait, does the military even have statistics on it's race ratios?

>>740226877
For transsexuals it is. Gender dysphoria, by definition, is the disorder wherein you were born male but are disgusted by your male body and feel like it should be female, or vice versa.

>>740226940
Of course they don't dictate reality. That's why dysphoria is in the fucking DSMV. And the military clearly does care, because it just banned these people.

>>740226943
If they're gonna fail out anyway, what's the use in banning post-ops? The cost-benefit of banning them says the ban affects nothing whatsoever.

>>740225384
There's nothing personal about this other than that OP was the person that brought this to b.
Kys

>>740225081
This won't stand, the deep state needs it's soldiers who are willing to kill their fellow Americans.

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>>740227016

>>740226833

It's not the body that's the problem, it's the mind. An unstable person isn't as reliable.

Its not as though we have a shortage of candidates to defend the country. Why should we hire people who are a net cost to employ (after treatments/surgeries etc) when there are so many healthy viable candidates that already exist?

Fat people aren't allowed into the military either. We could pay for surgery to make them leaner. Or we could say 'get a different sort of job'. Why is this different?

>>740226943
Men have higher suicide rates than women, you don't see america banning men though.

>>740226588
Lmfao

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/b/ was always full of retards. But like social retards not window licking stupidity retards like it is now.

>>740227393
>so many healthy viable candidates that already exist?
Meanwhile, erectile dysfunction medication costs for the army are higher than the trans costs..

>>740226090
>>>740225518
>Nobody is invading America.
>Who the fuck are you defending yourselves from?
>You're not at war.
>You're not being invaded.
>You're not being bombed.
>It's not as if you're starving for war machines.
>You've already got millions of useless brainless trained killers... do you really need more?

1 = Niggers are.
2 = Mexicans.
3 = Yes, we are.
4 = Yes, by mudslimes.
5 = Forgot 9-11?
6 and 7 = Who gives a fuck?

>>740227413

4/10 men don't kill themselves or they probably would be banned from military service. Don't be an idiot.

>>740227413
It's not 41% though, you know...

Higher suicide rates among trannies is because of their mental illness. Among men it's due to financial issues, marriage issues, etc.

>>740227228
Well fuck anon, so once they transition, they're either a cis gender white devil, or a cis gender white whore? So they're not welcome at any pride rallies anymore.

>>740226833
>inna war
>being shelled by insurgents/opfor/militant furries
>be scared
>rather have the person next to me that wouldn't succumb to their internal pressure and abandon me than have the person that listens to every retarded sentiment their defective brain has such as "I don't want to hold this position anymore"

>>740227393
>An unstable person isn't as reliable.
The average armyfag is borderline illiterate.

>>740227669
If rather they be illiterate than unstable.
Don't need to read to shoot guns at the guys shooting guns at you.

>>740227413
The suicide rate of men isn't 50%.

The annual age-adjusted suicide rate is 13.26 per 100,000 individuals (for an overall percentage of 0.013%).

So that means men have about a 0.01% chance of committing suicide. Compared to any transgender person's optimistic 40.0%

>>740227643
>pride rallies

I am straight and proud of it, don't need no fucking rally.

>>740227549
That's because those men want to use their dicks, not chop them off

>>740227733
>If rather they be illiterate than unstable.
What makes you think an illiterate adult male isn't unstable?

>>740227549

Rofl listen to that regurgitated Dem statistical garbage.

Vets get viagra how horrible!

Shoe laces are at a higher cost for the army than trans costs too.

Trans costs PER TRANNY are enormously expensive. Viagra costs per soldier are next to nil, or you can bet we wouldn't be footing the bill.

But I agree with not having trannies in the army. What role could a trans soldier fill cheaper and more effectively than a non trans soldier?

>>740227638
Cosymptomatic mental illness fades in transfolk post-transition. It may take years, but not being closeted takes away some of the mental strain of dysphoria. In all likelihood, the fact that post-op trannies retain such a high level of suicidal depression is that no amount of "hey-i-fixed-my-dysphoria" is going to outweigh the general social alienation, problems with dating, etc., etc.

>>740227643
Them's the breaks. This two gender shit is hard, innit?

>>740227856
Here's an idea: don't pay for a tranny's operation. Most insurance companies already don't, why should the military? Furthermore, this ban isn't targeted at closeted trannies, who as I've said before could simply act like they don't have dysphoria - those are the people who you'd end up paying medical costs for, btw. The ban targets out, post-op trans people much more heavily. People who have already paid for the operation, that is.

>>740227756
Did I say you were gay? Brb, let me go re read my post.

No I dint even question your sexuality there anon. I said once they transition into a cis gendered I individual, they're not welcome at pride rally, because if you want to get technical, given the fact that they are now in they're selfconceived body, they are no longer transed right?

Can someone post an updated poll result?

>>740227638

Who's to say that trans deaths aren't also caused by being outcasted by society.

Constant bullying, harassment, and in a lot of cases they are disowned and shunned by their parents.

If any non-trans experienced those things, they'd be likely to suffer from depression and suicidal thoughts as well.

>>740228069

50%I support it
43%I oppose it
07%I am neutral

>>740227814
What makes you think he is?
He could be originally from another country and still learning english. I can teach him to fire a rifle in an emergency. I wouldn't hand a rifle to an unstable person.

>>740228048
On this
>>740227643
I was being sarcastic, in case it went over you

>>740228133
Ty anon

>>740228187
I'm aware. "This two gender shit is hard" is also sarcasm.

>>740225081
based @Durchbruchmüller

>>740228129
In a society where if you're CAUGHT bullying a trans person you get fucking crucified? I think not.

No, it's not bullying that's doing it. The fact that everyone averts their gaze from them and refuses to engage with them might contribute (because it's rude to stare and people are naturally inclined to avoid the obvious crazy person - it's a good evolutionary trait), but actual rates of verbal abuse or physical assault are very very very low (lending also to the fact that most trans people live in cities with very tight-knit and supportive communities), because the social and legal consequences of doing or saying anything to them in the current political climate are staggering.

There's just something wrong with them that even when they actually get what they want, since it doesn't suddenly make their life perfect, they relapse to the depression and anxiety they had pre-op and wonder if it isn't all pointless. And once you start down that road, the odds of suicide are pretty high.

>>740225081
Trans people should be able to fight in the army theres nothing wrong with making faggots did on the front lines as cannon fodder

>>740228129
Nope. A lot of because after they start hormone therapy, they realize they are not a normal person anymore and the damage they've done to themselves is irreversible.

>>740228291
Hmm... Two obvious genders, and one real gender that blends the two.

Compared to what? 139 perceived genders? Yeah, y'all are fucking cracked in the head. So since its a brain chemical imbalance that's making you feel this way shouldn't we work on a pill that straightened you out, like we do for depression and anxiety and other mental illnesses? Wouldn't that be better than mutilation?

>>740228358
School age trans people get bullied. I've seen trans people be harassed and hated. Maybe it's because I lived in a trashy suburb.

I had to talk a trans friend out of suicide because her parents were very religious and threatened to throw her on the streets.

These things do happen, don't be intellectually dishonest and claim that they don't.

>>740225081
Why are people getting so tempered over this? Cant you just put them at the front line and maybe they take a bullet instead of the more capable soldiers. If they want to die fighting other peoples war why stop them? Its not like the wars today are anything like protecting your people or some shit, its just rich people wanting more money.

>>740225384
Kys nigger

>>740228064

No sir, I didn't even mean that. If they transision, why can't they just be what they became, and then shut up. Why would they need rallies to prance around like primadonnas, that I don't get. They are just making fools of them selfes.
I am straight, I am what I am, don't need no rally to prove anything to myself or others.

>>740228652
EVERYONE school age gets bullied you fucking idiot. For everything.

Got a big nose? Bullied.
Shorter than your peers? Bullied.
Have crooked teeth? Bullied.
Suck at gym? Bullied.
Cringe whenever anyone walks by? Bullied.
Mumble when you talk? Bullied.

If you're weak, you're targeted. Being trans or gay or sickly is just another manifestation of weakness. You either toughen up, or you transfer schools like a punk bitch or kill yourself like an hero.

trump's an idiot and his approval ratings are appropriately in the gutter

>>740228048

>Most insurance companies already don't, why should the military?

The ACA made trans ops a required preexisting condition.

>this ban isn't targeted at closeted trannies, who as I've said before could simply act like they don't have dysphoria

Saying 'no trannies allowed' covers you legally when they come to collect on that military healthcare for their dysphoria. Think of the $aving$.

>The ban targets out, post-op trans people much more heavily.

40% suicide rate is not soldier potential. Whether its society's fault they're sad or not. The fact of the matter is they have a very dangerous mental illness that makes them by and large unfit for service.

>>740225547
>>740225691
>>740225905
>>740226304
>>740228733
>Autistic op samefags to try and defend his army request

>>740228129

Some 41% of respondents in the 2011 survey of 7,500 transgender Americans reported attempting suicide compared with 1.6% of the general population, with rates rising for those who lost a job due to bias (55%), were harassed or bullied in school (51%), the victim of physical assault (61%) or sexual assault (64%).

>>740228799
So you're a transitioned trannie I assume? If you are pls refer to
>>740228636

>>740228636
What the fuck are you on about? I just got done saying diagnosable gender dysphoria presumes a sexual binary, male and female. This idea, at least in my mind, is very simple - which is why I facetiously said "this shit is hard."

There has actually been a study showing effective chemical treatment for gender dysphoria, it's just that the test subject was also literally mentally retarded. But, as it stands, we are indeed looking for a dysphoria pill, it's just that no such pill currently exists so the only effective course of treatment is to mitigate dysphoria by allowing the person suffering from it to present themselves as their preferred gender.

>>740228822
>muh "this is the way things have been so this is the way things have to be"
guess how I can tell you're a mill worker still upset the chinks took all of his market share

>>740225384
>Welcome! to another round of the hit new game show Not! Your! Personal! Army!

Fuck off, Summer.

I don't support this ban, but man I'm really sick and tired of Trans issues being pushed front and centre of the mental health debate. I've got diagnosed depression, OCD and GAD. Nobody gives a shit. I don't tell anyone because I have to explain what they actually are, and they obviously fuck up my personal life really badly.
At least with gender dysphoria, it's pretty fucking obvious you have mental health problems. Me shit is totally on the inside and nobody even gives a shit.

>>740225518
If they are in the process of transitioning the cannot be deployed. This sometimes results in soldiers that are not fit for deployment for 25% of their contract.

Assignment surgeries and medicines are expensive and they aren't worth the costs - the military has plenty of fit and capable volunteers that aren't trans.

>>740225709
>not nypa
Says not twice when nypa already contains not, are you retarded

>>740229019

You read my post as the devil reads the bible. I have to assume you can't help it.

>>740229050
I would very much rather live in a society of people that survived a trial by fire than a society of people that were kept in a padded room. The first group isn't going to break down and cry or play the victim anytime something bad happens.

>>740229152
>>740229070
>Autisitic op continues samefagging to old posts

>>740229050
So in other words, it is a mental illness in your opinion? I'm not really trying to start a flame war. But I know a couple of leftists who have argued roughly the same way you, and when I popped the "well let's find a pill because it's a mental disorder" they about had aneurysms over it. You actually might be the first person who's agreed with that statement. If you are, You're a rare find

>+ I'm high, so I might not be as coherent as I usually am

>>740226185
>Not sharing my exact opinion = troll
Do something about these retards please, another shoot up or whatever. I just cant take it any more. The pain is to much. The struggle is real.

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I'm not Op you retard, I hope you crash horribly and die

>>740229160
Heh, the devil is in the details my anon.

>>740228129

So you think bullying and harassment are responsible for the high suicide rates?

And you think putting these sensitive snowflakes in the army is a good idea?

The army. Full of the biggest bullies and illiterate morons around. That's where you want to put people who kill themselves because they're bullied.

I mean okay Hitler if you insist. But IMO let's ban them anyway so their parents can't sue us when they invariably hurt themselves.

>>740228157
>i know you are but what am i
Riveting counterarguments, dude.

>>740226588
BTFO'd

>>740229387
If they were sensitive they'd have committed suicide.

The army should evaluate trans people as they do everyone else: On a case by case basis.

>>740225081
But it isn't supported by the people, neither are most of his actions. He won on a minority and has only lost supporters since.

>>740229565

Here's a case by case of every post op trans person:

To prevent their own suicide, they had to literally mutilate their genitals and take hormones for the opposite gender.

Idk sounds pretty open and shut to me. Big ol' fail on that mental fortitude.

>>740229565
Then what's the point of the entire field of statistics?

You have 100,000 people applying for a job. Do you interview each of them and determine their viability on a case-by-case basis, or do you try to cut that group of people by denying characteristics which COULD be detrimental?

If you find any value in statistics, a 40% suicide rate should be considered to be a detrimental characteristic.

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Bruh i wouldnt want this kind of distraction in my military if i was trump either! I mean look at this thing, its fucking Beans from even stevens in a wig! I sure as shit wouldnt be showering with that creepy fuck eyeing me down the whole time.

>>740225081
Fun fact: The military would have to pay 2.5-4 million on medical bills for trans soldiers. Meanwhile, the military spends 40 million USD yearly on Viagra for soldiers. Please explain why 2.5 million and following the bill of rights and equal protection clause is not doable but spending 40 mil on pills so 18 year olds can get better erections is?

>>740229207
Yes, but perhaps there is a difference between bullying someone for having a big stupid nose, and bullying someone for having a diagnosable mental disorder. Really makes you think.

>>740229303
The regressive left has a very shitty notion of what it means to be "trans." Some, if not most of them even think you can be trans and not have dysphoria - this is patently retarded. I believe that dysphoria is necessary to be genuinely trans; you have to want to transition from current sex to opposite sex. If a pill were available that could suppress dysphoria, that'd be fine too; however, I do think the only truly progressive choice is to leave both options, i.e. pill and transition, open to people with the disorder.

My full opinion is that sex and gender are distinct. Sex is explicitly male or female, and is dictated by physiology. Gender, I find to be social, and existing as a polar scale between "masculine" and "feminine." So, for example, you can be sexually female, but lift weights and eat your steak rare and listen to heavy metal; it's perfectly possible to be a straight, cis yet masculine girl. Gender is more or less the term for how you relate to society's expectations of someone of your sex.

The term "gender dysphoria" is misleading, because people who have it don't feel social pressure, they feel physiological pressure; this is why I would much rather it be called "sexual dysphoria," and why I still use the archaic term "transsexual" rather than transgender. Having the term be "transgender" is what gave rise to all 139 flavors of gender that tumblr would have you believe exist.

>>740225081
wtf is point of this its not gonna be lulzy its just fucking vice who gives a shit this is almost as bad as the faggots who "hacked" sarah paylin by guessing her password

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>>740229804
Kek, trans people look like this

>>740229727
Statistics mean dick. Follow the rule of law and exactly what is written in the founding documents.

>conservatives once again waste government money to try and oppress people because the right totally is about freedom guys, just as long as you like being told what to do
Enjoy the thousands of lawsuits, I guess.

While we're at this, lets take a gander at the list of things that get you banned from the military even if you're not insane.

b. Male genitalia.

(1) Absence of both testicles, either congenital, or acquired, or unexplained absence of a testicle.
(4) Undescended testicle(s).
(6) Penis, amputation of, if the resulting stump is insufficient to permit normal micturition.

>OH SHIT THERE IT IS.

c. Major abnormalities and defects of the genitalia, such as a change of sex, a history thereof, or dysfunctional residuals from surgical correction of these conditions.

Psychosexual Conditions

The causes for rejection for appointment, enlistment, and induction are transsexualism, exhibitionism, transvestitism, voyeurism, and other paraphilias.

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html

>>740230213
You must not browse this site while under the age of 18.

>>740230052
you can be denied for only having one ball or them not being dropped yet?
The military requirements need reform, because that's stupid as hell.

>>740229845
Indeed, you sound old school, like gen x old. Not boomer old. I've always used gender and sex interchangeably. And used orientations like straight, bi, and gay. I can see how "gender" may be construed as a social perception. But it stands that it's a mental illness based upon a chemical imbalance in the brain. What might cause it is subject to debate. But I think the massive amounts of birth control and animal growth hormones might be to blame for a large part of it based on the fact that when water is recycled, we don't filter for those things, so back into circulation it goes. People I swear.

>>740230014

>liberals once again waste government money to try and virtue signal because mental illness is totally an oppressed minority guise. For real.

How's that rebranding coming? Focusing on economy yet? Or are we right back to trying to shame people into voting Dem?

>>740225081
>y-you c-can't t-trust p-polls
>help us raid these polls so (((we))) can shill with "proof"
Hmm...

>>740229409
That's not even close to what I wrote. The burden of proving that illiterate males are unstable lies with you. I've provided you with a likely situation in which someone might be illiterate without being unstable and you had no response. Weak, my dude. Just weak.

>>740230273

There's a massive pool to select from. The list of reasons for a 'pass' is therefore fairly large.

Why does that need reform? Why fix what isn't broken?

>>740225081
public opinion is pretty irrelevant when the law is against it lol

>>740230630
Because little timmy that was born with one ball can't be a soldier man like his dear old dad.

>>740230630
I was denied entry into the navy because I had asthma as a kid. If military service poses any inherent risk to yourself or others, then you're denied.

Trans people being denied is a no brainer.

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>>740229838
For the same reasons cutting 200,000 jobs by backing out of the Paris Agreement to save 50,000 jobs is good... because Trump can do no wrong, and anyone who suggests otherwise is a COMMIE FAGGOT SHILL KIKE NIGGER AUTIST CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

>mental health issue

You realise that the suicide rates and health issues arise from rejection from society right?

>cost of trans soldiers

Yeah it costs heaps to do literally nothing and allow them to use their preferred gender bathroom.

>funding their surgery

Their medical bills probably aren't covered by the army, and even if they are they're laying down their life for you

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>>740230331
I'm college-aged, just trying to be progressive but not too progressive. Pretty much my whole reasoning behind not using gender and sex interchangeably is because of other college-aged progressives going way too far with the "gender is a social construct" thing, which lets them call themselves demihemiboys and epicene and genderqueer. My theory is that ultimately "gender" doesn't matter; it's all either masculine or feminine traits, and everybody has at least a couple that are traditionally one or the other. What matters much more is one's relation to his or her body, which is what's in question when it comes to dysphoria.

I have no clue whether it's nature or nurture, or what mix it might be of either. All I know is I'm familiar trans people, I have plenty of friends who are feminine men and plenty who are masculine women, and I can tell you without hesitation that the latter two have nothing in their heads as heavy as the first.

>>740230405
This is all a fuckin' false flag to make people forget about the abysmal healthcare bill being shat out by the Senate currently, who even cares about trans people?

I thought /b was all about traps? more traps = more girls to fuck and less guys as competition. Gov pays for trap surgery. How is this bad?

>>740230920
What makes you think backing out of the Paris Accord cost or saved any jobs?

There were no terms to the Paris Accord. It was basically just 30 world leaders meeting up once a year to circle jerk and talk about the weather.

Backing out of it doesn't mean we're not investing in green energy, it just means we aren't going to those circle jerk meetings anymore and we're not going to allow foreign nations to dictate to us what we should be doing.

>>740225384
GET THE FUCK OFF /b/ FAGGOT. STAY OFF.

>>740230708

Too bad. Sometimes people get dealt a raw hand. Make the best of it. Don't demand the world change to accommodate your needs

You want to chop off your willy? Go for it. You want to join the army after? Sorry bud. No damaged goods.

>>740225384
Newfag alert

>>740230948
1. The military is part of society. They will not be free from rejection just because they're in the military - in fact, they'll be buried in it, which will result in them being offended and trying to sue or get healthy soldiers discharged due to harassment.

2. The impetus for the change was that veterans benefits do in fact cover transitions

>>740225081
what's wrong about throwing trannies to their doom for your profit?

>>740225081
on one hand i wouldn't want to be on a battlefield next to a degenerate, but on the other hand that'd be an easy and cheap way to get rid of them. decisions, decisions..

>>740231019
Traps are gay.

>>740231172
If they had their own special division and their treatments weren't covered by the American taxpayer, I'd say go for it. But that's not the case.

>>740225081
How long do you think it'll take before they btfo and delete the poll acting like nothing happened, when they realize people support his notion

>>740225384
Your mom gay.

>>740225518
>Why shouldn't trans people be able to be in the military?
>Give me reasons.

Give me a reason why first.
There was obviously some thought and weighing of pros and cons when they made their decision.

>>740225862
>For closeted ones.Transition eases, if not eliminates the symptoms of the disease.
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

>>740230959
Your more mature and level headed than your peers are, that's for sure. I'm gen x myself, and that type of thinking by your generation is fucking everything up. I fear that we are about to fall like the Roman empire did. Maybe you could start a movement that would be about personal freedom at the state level, but not at the federal level. That way everyone can live with like minded people without having their own freedoms trampled on by others who don't share one's own views. Unless it's to the point where they feel that if everyone, everywhere doesn't fit into their preconcieved notions of right/wrong, they don't deserve to participate in society. If that's the case we're fucked. Can you shed light on the how well a philosophy like that would be received by your peers?

Also, I'm fairly certain that the amount of birth control and growth hormones being leeched into the environment has a significant impact on the population. If you look back to the seventies when those things started coming into hard use and compare my generations proclivity towards trans feelings, compared to previous gens numbers, it's quite higher.

Of course that could also be attributed to the social stigma being relaxed between those gens, so I could be wrong.

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The military has training programs designed for each gender, and if some fucking mentally sick person wants to become a biological sex that they are not, then it is simply a matter of the military being unfit to train them as no military is equipped to train trans people. In addition, trans people are all weaker than men in general.

>>740231049
>There were no terms to the Paris Accord.
Okay... Educate me then, oh wise and learned master.
Why did we back out of it?
Why are we not out until 2020?

>>740226493
Implying that outside of the armed forces depressions doesn't exist and isn't also caused by tons of ways our society is already fucked up

>>740231680
In the Paris Agreement, each country determines, plans and regularly reports its own contribution it should make in order to mitigate global warming.[5] There is no mechanism to force[6] a country to set a specific target by a specific date,[7] but each target should go beyond previously set targets.

Although the agreement was lauded by many, including French President François Hollande and UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon,[59] criticism has also surfaced. For example, James Hansen, a former NASA scientist and a climate change expert, voiced anger that most of the agreement consists of "promises" or aims and not firm commitments.[81]

Institutional asset owners associations and think-tanks have also observed that the stated objectives of the Paris Agreement are implicitly "predicated upon an assumption – that member states of the United Nations, including high polluters such as China, the US, India, Japan, Brazil, Canada, Russia, Indonesia and Australia, which generate more than half the world’s greenhouse gas emissions, will somehow drive down their carbon pollution voluntarily and assiduously without any binding enforcement mechanism to measure and control CO2 emissions at any level from factory to state, and without any specific penalty gradation or fiscal pressure (for example a carbon tax) to discourage bad behaviour."[82]

In 2017, President Donald Trump withdrew the United States from the agreement, causing widespread condemnation in the European Union and many sectors in the United States.

Google, you idiot. And the reason we're not out until 2020 is because it's bureaucracy, and bureaucracy is inefficient as shit even when it's literally doing nothing.

>>740231782
And people with depression or anxiety disorders aren't allowed in the Military.

Checkmate.

>>740231896
>copy pastes wikipedia
>doesn't say why we left
>not out until 2020 because of *TERMS*
Hmm...

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>>740231928
>implying suicide rates in the military aren't already proportionally higher than civilian populace

>>740225081
>You have to be registered to vote
Enjoy being put on a nazi list by Vice's fat faggy bearded face

>>740232205
>I already smoke cigarettes
>so it's fine if I roll around in toxic waste

>>740232367
cool straw man my dude

>>740231623
Hard times create good men, good men create good times, good times create soft men, soft men create hard times, and so on. That's the cycle, but Western civilization has survived through it dozens of times thus far, and I have no reason to believe any upcoming hard times are going to be much worse than recent ones.

States' rights are tricky. The most I can say is that people my age favor them when they prefer the state's laws to federal (e.g. marijuana legalization) but favor federal to state when they don't (e.g. bathroom bills). Personally, I'm a nationalist more than I'm a federalist; allowing the states too much control leads to history written by the victors, where only the laws that end up adopted on a national level are considered "right." I prefer to skip the middleman and just have everything be nationally unified as early as possible.

Transfolk have always been around, but wild changes in nutrition could certainly be a factor. There's very little that isn't impacted by environmental change of late.

>>740232047
WITHDRAWAL UNDER THE TERMS OF
THE PARIS AGREEMENT
As a matter of both international law and U.S. law, the president could withdraw from the Paris Agreement pursuant to Article 28.1, which allows a party to withdraw by giving one year’s written notification to the Deposi-tary (i.e., the U.N. Secretary-General), beginning three years after the Paris Agreement’s entry into force for that party. A party need not provide any reason or justifica-tion for withdrawing; the only limitations imposed by the Paris Agreement relate to timing. The Paris Agreement will come into force on November 4, 2016. This means that starting on November 4, 2019, the president could give written notice of withdrawal, and the withdrawal would take effect one year later, on November 4, 2020.

Article 46 of the Vienna
Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT) specifically provides that a state may not withdraw from a treaty on the grounds that its acceptance violated domestic law, unless the violation was “manifest.” Although the United States is not a party to the VCLT, its provisions are generally regarded as reflecting customary international law and hence apply to the United States.

Consequences for violating international law:
Third states have elevated obligations where peremptory norms are breached. The seriousness of the violation of a peremptory norm necessitates a collective response to counteract the effects of the breach of international law. These obligations include:

Non-recognition;

Non-assistance;

Cooperate to bring to an end the violation in question.
Summary: Basically no consequence.

Basically, it's because it's International Law, and even though it doesn't enforce anything (literally anything), it's still on the books. We don't have to participate or send a representative or pay dues or ANYTHING, just as far as the Legal Monkeys at the UN are concerned, the US can't leave until 2020.

>>740225081
Denied. Go back to /pol/

>>740225384
Hey dumbass, kill yourself to death.

>>740225725
suicide rates and mental illness diagnosis' for military are high anyway, what's the difference?

>>740232628
>WITHDRAWAL UNDER THE TERMS OF THE PARIS AGREEMENT
>UNDER THE TERMS OF THE PARIS AGREEMENT
>UNDER THE TERMS
>TERMS
Hmm...

>>740232937
High is 5%.

Trans people have a rate of at least 40%

40% isn't high, it's catastrophic.

>>740233015

So the faggots have a 40% chance of offing themselves?

Don't see the issue here.

>>740232794

Found the libcuck

>>740232983
https://unfccc.int/files/essential_background/convention/application/pdf/english_paris_agreement.pdf


Here, read the fucking thing. There are no terms, or conditions of enforcement, or punishment for violating it besides the general punishment for violating International Law, which basically means the other countries that give a shit give you the cold shoulder for a while until you have something they want.

Welcome to geopolitics kiddo.

>>740227305
Hispanics are considered white in this statistic but everyone knows Spainards are not white, Hispanics even less

Yes, let's support the establishment.

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>>740233088
>there are no terms
>WITHDRAWAL UNDER THE TERMS OF THE PARIS AGREEMENT

>no punishment for violating it
>besides the general punishment for violating International Law

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>>740233015
That's the rate of attempts. And yeah it's high because people don't mind their business. UnAmerican, threatened by nothing cucks. Out of anyone I know it's always the cucked 5'4" manlets and wannabe lumber jacks who seem offended. Bunch of retards.

With $8.5 TRILLION already unaccounted for in DoD spending, might as well make a fucking media circus over the 0.001% they might theoretically spend letting people play dress-up and completely ignore the rest.

That's the most important thing, right? Gotta make sure your killers aren't immoral or offensive! Golly gee, that would be AWFUL!

>>740228450
There had to be special trans squads then

>>740233015
Whatever, won't have to pony up that GI check anymore.

Win-win.

>>740233594
Then the family sues because "MY POOR BABY WAS TRAUMATIZED BY THE BULLIES IN HIS UNIT"

>>740229677
Except in this case
I would have voted for bernie but traps in the military are just such a fucking bad idea

>>740233462
transgenders are mentally ill. not identiying with the gender you were born with is a mental illness. the military nor anyone for that matter should be forced to pander to this mental illness.

>>740233747
Men made of straw are whispy and lightweight. A light breeze sees them easily blown away.

>>740229838
How many Viagra pills do you get for 40 millions?
How many transsexuals can be treated for 3,3 millions?
There you got your answer

Kek come on /b/ 4 more hours to go so trans wont be allowed

>>740233894
It's not a mental illness that would interfere with their duties, though.

Take body dysmorphia, for instance. Just because someone thinks they're uglier than they appear to be, doesn't mean they can't shoot well.

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>>740230920
The Paris Climate treaty would of sucked the shit right out of our asses.
>Be America
>Pay third world countries tax dollars to plan to reduce emissions
>realize they are keeping money and don't actually have to do much
>realize getting swindled

Also governmental backed studies proved more job loss than gain fag.

>>740230687
You must have a mental disorder

The military is full of retards
Why would it be a good idea to have retards jacking their own systems with foreign hormones and having their decision making ability completely thrown out of whack?

>>740225081
At least now we know it has Nothing to do with money, since it costs more to fly home and play golf than it does to treat your military. Also, the comments o the twitter post show no reason for support besides hate, again no one brings up the cost that was used as an excuse.

52% rn

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>>740234365
http://www.newsweek.com/pruitt-coal-jobs-trump-lies-621713

>>740225081
>let's fuck with the results of a poll to prove their premise wrong
Except that's not what you're doing. All you're doing is proving you disagree and are willing to fuck with the poll. If people REALLY did disagree, then the best way TO prove that is to just let people vote normally.

>ITT OP has no understanding of how polls work, requests personal army to reaffirm their personal beliefs, and is (as always) a massive faggot.

>>740231380
Because America is a country that believes in liberty. Any restrictions on liberty require justification.

>>740229334
>I hope people don't sincerely believe something that's a stark opposite to what I believe to be true
FTFY
Your reading comprehension isn't very good, is it?

>>740229125
This actually is a really solid point. I was neutral at first but this put me on the other side. We already spend a fuck ass ton on military as is, no need for exploiters.

>>740233067
Found the boot-licker.

>>740229125
5 years of your life and a mandatory 2 year minimum deployment isn't a fair trade for the government paying for your meds?

>implying everyone in the military is deployed for the entirety of their contract
Seems legit.

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>>740225081
Who care's what vice think tbh
/b/ isn't pro trump or anti trap nigger. You want /pol/ where the bitter redditors dwell.

>>740236331
This. /pol/ has become Reddit cancer spreading throughout this entire site. We need chemo, STAT.