In about an hour. The president of the United States will deliver

>>739704825

The US has a military empire. We do not need another fucking carrier. The point of wasting money on arms is to keep defense contractors fat and happy.

>>739704887
We need about 4 more actually.

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>>739704825
Why do all your ships have shit names?

>>739704957


Yeah, no. Carriers are useless as fuck. Destroyers are useless as fuck. Most of the modern navy is useless as fuck. All it is, is a giant dick waving contest.

>>739705078


Named after shit people anon.

>>739704957
Fuck that. We should build 4 new battleships instead. And bring 2 of the old ones back into service.

>>739704957
How's that F-35 doing?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Your welcome

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>>739705124
Yeah you name them all after people its gay as fuck!

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>>739704825
fucking shill. go suck military dick somewhere else

>>739705668


Gerald Ford was a mouth breathing retard.

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>>739705738
Cant wait till you americunts roll out the USS Caitlyn Jenner
Essentially a cruiser dressed up as a battle ship

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>>739706090

>>739706090
clever, very clever

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Carriers are becoming obsolete, the emphasis should shift to smaller ships.

>>739704825
>assures a healthy balance of power on a global scale.
But that's literally the opposite of what the US does, retard.

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another carrier! Pfft, it's just overkill at this point from a practical point of view, and as a taxpayer with super high medical premiums.

But as an investor in the defense industry. Nice work fellas.

>>739705093
Do you have any idea what an aircraft carrier or destroyer is?

>>739706700
None of the ships in the far left are aircraft carriers.

>>739706090
top Kek

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>>739706700
I'm glad the last US carrier has two nipples instead of one.

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>>739706700
i think this graphic is obsolete, the uk retired at least one of their carriers

>>739704825
We have no working defense against Chinese submarines at this point so it really doesn't matter much

>>739705491
You mean the one that we contributed to GLOBALLY and got held back because of other nations problems?
That aircraft?

F22 nigga

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>>739704825

>lunched

fucking Burgers know no limits when it comes to eating

>>739704825
Because we're the United States of 'Merica - fuck yeah. We build the biggest, baddest, most lethal shit on the planet.

And we finally got a POTUS ready to put that shit to good use. Watch how valuable a Carrier Strike Group is going to be when we blast the shit out of No Korea.

Someone has to be the Boss of the Planet. May as well be us. kek.

>>739705151
Why should we be using battleships again, they became obsolete in the seventies and we haven't used them since

>>739706950
Yes we do - they're called the Los Angeles Class subs. Hunter/Killers. We probably have one tailing every Chinese/Russian sub out there.

Kaboom. Ching Chong sub go pop.

>>739707102
If AMS becomes better you could conceivably see a shift back to battleships.

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>>739706812
Wrong. They are even worse than average carriers. In addition to the aircraft; they carry infantry marines ready to storm any beach around the world.

>>739705093

Justify your argument as to why carriers are obsolete.

They allow projection of military power literally anywhere on the globe - our options without them are basically, "nuke it, or drop conventional munitions from a small number of long range bombers." With a carrier group, you suddenly have fighters and other air superiority assets in close range of most major population centers, and can support ground based assaults more closely without having to "own" a piece of dry land first.

>>739706710


Yeah, I do. We live in an age of asymmetrical warfare. The dune coons aren't exactly floating dinghys out to challenge us. Besides, drone warfare is the future and we can launch those fuckers from anywhere. Carriers are big dick measuring devices that are fuck all useful.

Destroyers haven't been a thing since WWII. Guided missile ships are where it's at.

>>739707195
I wish we kept the Battleships, if for no other reason than to tell the world we DGAF. Giant monster-sized holes await anyone who fucks with us. 16 inch guns that can throw a VW 26 miles. c'mon, that is about as bad ass as it gets...

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>>739707381
Battleships look pretty intimidating and badass, but they are now obsolete. They don't stand a chance against a modern mid-size war ship.

>>739707295
Nothing scares the kids like a batch of screaming Super Hornets flying overhead all of a sudden. Backed by a shit-ton of Marines ready to wade ashore and fuck you up proper.

That's the power of the Aircraft Carrier - it isn't even in the application of the force, its just the idea of what it is capable of doing, and that the POTUS thought enough about whatever the fuck bad thing you're doing to send a couple groups of them your way.

>>739707381
It is just going to be a matter of time before they develop a reliable way to shield ships from bombs and guided missils.

When that happens big guns will be the best weapon. Though the US doesn't really have much need for a navy that can defeat an enemy navy. No one else has anything close to a fight.

>>739707295

Asymmetric warfare is all cool and shit until china or Russia get a wild hair and suddenly that warfare ain't so asymmetric.

Also, if you're only focusing on the threat posed by non-state terrorist groups, you're completely ignorant of the geopolitical realities of the world we live in. In case you haven't noticed, Russia and China have both been doing a lot of saber rattling. North Korea, Iran also love themselves a tussle. Ignoring those threats because "not a Muslim jihaidst threat" is fucking ridiculous.

And there are tons of shit that missiles and drones can't do. For some jobs you need the flexibility of a fighter pilot. war isn't all about firing missiles at buildings from half a world away.

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>>739704825

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>>739704825
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>>739704825

Alpha

>>739707248
Not that anon, but with upcoming drones, suborbital jets that can reach every point on earth in one hour and railguns for ships big carrier become obsolete.

>>739706950
The fuck are chink submarines gonna do? Attack my underwater cities with their tempura torpedoes?

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>>739704825

Active shell

>>739707670
>China or Russia ever actually doing anything to the US or its allies
Nigga please

>>739707597


All it takes is a raghead in a rubber raft to fuck up your day. I get the why of carriers, but they're still useless. There are amphib ships that are smaller and faster that can project force quicker.

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>>739704825

Code Syphon

>>739707221
Those are amphibious assault ships. They are not aircraft carriers they are not called cvn. They carry a handful of harriers but are mainly helicopters and hovercrafts

>>739704825
That is the highest tech outdated weapons platform in the world.

Total socialized jobs program and nothing more.
Fuck this bullshit.

>>739705093
I'm certain your understanding of both platforms is extensive and your opinion is justified.

>>739707295
The fuck you mean destroyers aren't a thing? I'm looking out my window right now and I'm looking at three of them, I slept on one last week

>>739707850
fake

>>739707102
We used Iowa class battleships in the first gulf war for NSFS. They are now obsolete.

>>739704825
Air strikes are surgical, and never errant anon. I refuse to believe we shot at something and missed.

>>739706090
My fucking sides

>>739706500
is that an 83 or 84?

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>>739707898
>They are not aircraft carriers

but carry war planes.

"not called cvn". you must me autistic

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>>739704825

>>739707295
Destroyers are Guided missile ships. Please x out of the browser and let national defense be done by the experts.

>>739707975


They're fucking useless. Guided missile destroyers are more useful. When's the last time we've had ship to ship combat? I'll wait while you look it up.

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>>739704825
>2017
>not lunching carriers

>>739707155
*Virginia Class.

God, I fucking hate the know it all's who have an opinion on power projection and where to spend the budget but dont know fucking order of battle.

>>739708130
We were killing pirates off the horn just a few years ago.

>>739708087
Neither of those two statements or any kind of valid argument and they were both correct still. Just because it carries aircraft does not make it an aircraft carrier. Go to a basic Wiki search of amphibious assault ship versus aircraft carrier.

>>739708104


I meant Iowa class destroyers. Guided missile destroyers are a different animal.

>>739708220
>>739708220
He's gonna say "Not a ship" because he's an expert..

He's trying to say that DD's are obsolete and DDG's are the best. He probably overheard someone saying it so he thinks he's an expert now.

DDG's are the only thing we build nowadays, we're moving in to building FF's again.

>>739704825
>This is a good time to say thank you.
#MAGA
#8MoreYears
#LiberalTears
#StayMadSnowflakes

>ITT

>>739704887
Lol. You're weak and feeble. You should move to Germany since we disallow them to have a world power army again. You'd fit right in the those European Puzzies

>>739708246
*Iowa Class Battleships

A destroyer is a different designation "DD" vs Battleship "BB"

Get it?

>>739705093
You come off as uneducated. I'm sorry for you. I'm sure you have a great Liberal Arts degree though.

>>739708220


Not with ship based weaponry. Maybe .50 cals, but we werent shooting them with 5/ 54 guns.

>>739706700
Europe is fucking useless

>>739704825
I hope the bottle breaks. Trump may not have the arm strength.

>>739707001
Is that some Red Robin I see? Good shit fam

t. burger

>In this thread
>this
>thread

>>739708365


Aw shit. Aight. Got em confused

>>739708392
Yeah, just ignore that guy.

Everyone is an expert on power projection.

"Hurr most of our commerce is done on the ocean... but a ever present navy protecting our commerce is obsolete!"

seems legit.

>>739708392


You come across as a fatass Murican running around in a Rascal scooter.

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>carriers are now obsolete

WTF is this uneducated nonsense? they're an air force base on the go. And no one can can get near a US carrier. They are surrounded by a battle group. That consists of smaller warships and at least two submarines. Any direct missile or warplane would get shot out of the sky before coming even close to a carrier in a combat zone.

>>739708407
We used 5 inch rounds loaded with heet and keet rounds. You should just stop talking if you're not sure what you're talking about.

25 mm would be the preferred weapon by the way, not a browning.

But you already knew that.

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>>739704825
Hope you don't run into any fishing boats.

>>739707248
We have 587 overseas bases and pop-up properties to do that from. We don't need carriers bleeding hundreds of billions of dollars off our fucking economy. The world is not still in 1940. The carrier is a slow pile of shit that gains us nothing.

>>739708515
Good one.. he'll never recover.

Now post your home country (likely UK) that has 32% obesity vs 35% obesity but we're the only problem.

>>739704825
I will say: fuck you. "Worldpolice" Murica has not enough money for a proper health care system but build new super carriers. Faggots. Yeah Trump will make americ great again. Especially your public debt.

>>739708407
A typhoon is a hell of a lot bigger than a 50 cal.

>>739708467


Dick waving, faggot. Russia and Chingchong China give fuck all about our navy. If they did would Crimea been raped? Would China build those islands? Face ot, your dick waving is antiquated. China can rape us,without firing a shot.

As much as you fap to the fantasy of a good ol China Murica land based war, it ain't gonna happen.

>>739708130
Do you understand that there are no floating Destroyers that don't have guided missiles on them? If referring to World War 2 era then no shit Einstein. Almost our entire fleet of Destroyers are Arleigh burke-class guided-missile Destroyers

>>739708558
587 overseas bases? What the fuck are you talking about?

A CVN ensures we dont need overflight rights when doing power projection.

A nimitz class carrier can exceed 40knots, which would make it the fastest ship in the Fleet.

I am in awe with how dumb your post is.

>build big ass ship
>enemy sends 200 unmanned drones to sink it
>ship goes down with all jets and some of the crew
>survivors picked up or shot while in lifeboats
>enemy casualties 0

In a world of drones we need to put everything into that. Not big and expensive, small cheap and disposable. Swarms of 20,000+ drones could cause unbelievable destruction/casualties.

>>739708435
I believe the bottles used christening ceremonies are modified to break easily anyway

>>739708640
Russia invaded Crimea because ukraine isn't Nato. Not within our sphere of influence.

China built the spratly's as a means to further their exclusive economic zones.

of course, your extensive research on China revealed that they traditionally aren't an expansive society and are more focused on growing their economy.

So we have the entire 7th Fleet right in their backyard, but your argument is that they built a runway on a manufactured island?

I'll give you some time to regroup and try again.

>>739708664


And theyre fucking useless. Go ahead genius, fire some missiles off into that village where Al kaidy is hiding. Hope you don't mind the dead civilains.

Drone warfare and small strike forces are the future. Dropping a big old American dick into a country is laughable. How's that Iraq thing or Afghanistan thing working out?

>>739708246
What the fuck is an Iowa class destroyer?

>>739708750
Implying we dont have unmanned aircraft.

Implying Carriers dont have air defense assets escorting them

implying those air defense assets cant target thousands of contacts concurrently.

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>>739708243

WIKI? nah, Navy vet here. And amphibious assault ships are still carriers at the end of the day(served in both types). It's like teaching a marine how to cook. Sure, the guy can cook a pretty good fried chicken, but he's still a rifle man no matter what, and can join an infantry platoon if need it.

>>739708526
>being this shortsighted
>not understanding basic game theory

Don't think, anon.

>>739708750
EMP shit too. Wouldn't want some asshole to spray your wasps into flies.

>>739708807


No fucktard. Try to pay attention. If MURICA is this big old badass that's got everybody running for the hills, then why do China and Russia and Iran laugh at us as they do what the fuck they want?

>>739708526
>No one can get near a carrier
A few years ago a outdated french submarine destroyed a whole battlegroup with the Carrier as primary target during a mission practice.
You fuckin dumbass
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/2015-30-year-old-french-nuclear-submarine-sank-us-aircraft-18912

>>739708834


Yeah, I fucked that up.

>>739708640
>Crimea raped

It's pretty cool how they got every citizen in Crimea to lie and say they voted to rejoin Russia isn't it?

>>739708297
If we're building frigates again this is new news to me. Unless you referring to the possibility of turning the new money black hole Zumwalt classes into the new frigate. But even that is very unsure at the moment

>>739708526
see
>>739707728

In some years they are and only a waste of money.

>>739708750
This isn't a fantasy world, where 1lb of explosives is going to damage a carrier.

Drones large enough to deal damage to a ship that large are going to be able to be shot down.

And a phalanx would chew them up. Too big and too slow.

>>739708956


But Muh force projection, Muh water superiority...

>>739707155
I am a former employee of a dod research facility and have worked on programs related to the use of towed hydrophone arrays to detect auvs and other such craft. The US has lost the edge we had coming out of ww2 when the rest of the world focused on electromagnetics for submarine detection and we focused on acoustics. Sadly it is true that we do not have the capability to detect most modern submarines and the Navy has lacked a coherent strategy for submarine warfare. In the event of a major conflict our air craft carriers will not be as effective as you think. They are vulnerable to submarine attack.

>>739708789
That still may not be enough help for him. Maybe Pence could step in on this one.

America is not a great nation, nor is a free nation, only deluded ameriburgers think that way. fuck them. fuck america.

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>>739708750
>200 unmanned drones to sink it

Hahaha, Drones! You haven't seen this baby in action.

>>739708981


Yeah, it's even cooler how they invaded Ukraine and continue to occupy it because poor Crimea. It's okay, comrade I understand the butthurt.

>>739708945
Ohh now you're rattled.

You're presenting what's called a false premise.

The United States doesn't want everyone to "Run for the hills" We want to further our interests like everybody else.

We're just better at it. See: Our economic growth in the last 100 years vs everyone else.

"Laugh at us" isn't a measurable item to consider.

I suggest you calm down, and pick up a beginner 200 level international relations book to better understand why countries act the way they do if they are rational.

Enjoy your day NATO ally who doesn't pay their fair share but enjoys US protection. I'm delighted your society is free courtesy of the US Navy. :)

>>739708665
Looks like he's right. # of foreign US Military sites around the world 587. The navy is nothing more than a freight service.

>>739709128
Is that a fucking grain silo for bullets?

>>739708854
Didn't imply you don't have drones there chief...you ASSUMED I was.

You seem to be implying that an aircraft carrier could hold off thousands of small fast moving,well armed drones...the enemy would just keep sending more. Cost vs damage done anon, very simple.

>>739708995
Theyre going to stop building LCS and move to a Fast Frigate.

It's going to be an LCS that has static modules. They won't be removed/interchanged.

>>739709154


Okay muriaburger. You're just fuckin delusional.

>>739704887
Nimitz class carriers are a 50+ year old design

>>739709070
Post which research facility if you're a former employee.

>>739709000
It is not about sinking them. It is about
attacker side:
drone with weaponry: 10mil
railgun shot: 25k

Defender
jet: 130mil
interceptor missile: 100mil
CRAM: 30k per missile

You don't need to destroy everything to win in the long run.

>>739708933
Guess you didn't realize that most drones/jets made nowadays have protection for that. In a world with nukes it's a must have.

>>739708956
That game of pew pew I got you is no relation to real-world combat. Not only is a story on confirmed, but these types of supposed exercises have a list of different simulated hindrance to the defending forces for exercises.

>>739709307
MIT Lincoln Laboratory

>>739709290
Your counter argument is compelling.

Tell me again how some bs country is "laughing" at the US but receives foreign aid form it.

Such amazing insight.

Enjoy your day, friend. :)

>>739709148
>comrade

Yeah ok kid.

>>739709368
Ok, so let's assume i work for the govt.

You would know as well as I do that something at OSD level wouldn't be focused on a specific 'problem.' We dont even do it at the service level.

You should know better than to post such nonsense.

>>739708956

LOL, hate to burst your bubble, but this was propaganda. They had to retract their statements once the real results came out. nice try though

>>739704825
Fucking leeches on the US economy.
Pure socialized wealth redistribution scheme.
Can't wait til a bunch of nukes go off a mile above one of these invincible things bc there's no other way for a country to deal with them.

Fucking tards.

>>739709227
>small fast moving,well armed drones
What armament is a small fast moving drone going to be able to use, that would cause any significant damage to a large warship?

Most anti-ship missiles have a warhead around 500-1000lbs.

>>739709078
No actually he will probably just get mad dog in there to stare at the thing until it voluntarily shatters

>>739709527
talk me through how a nuke goes off above a carrier.


What's the

Delivery Method
Payload
Country of origin

?

>>739704957
They are fun to sink, just like big prizes floating on ocean

>>739709208
Yes

>>739704825
Das Vidya, comrade.

>>739709352
You're absolutely right, I didn't realize this. How silly of me.

>>739709593
Are you 8?

>>739707995
you are right, the URSS flag would never be disrespected like this and this guy would never stand against it.

>>739707960
Think if all the jobs and money that went into that new carrier had gone into updating American infrastructure or education or healthcare or urban development. Imagine a world where all that money helped a single person who wasn't already loaded.
>fuck off commie
No u

>>739709128
Well then they'd send 2000 next time, and keep sending more until they got the job done.

>>739709227
No... I said air defense escort.

So a carrier doesn't travel by itself.

Also, the US wouldn't sit there like a fucking moron and say "Oh I wish the place these things keep coming from would stop"

Your premise is dumb and your lack of understanding paired with confident stupidity is a character flaw you should work on.

>>739709402


>being this retarded

Chester Bennington yourself

>>739709562
You know, there are also jet powered drones being as big as the f35 only costing a fraction of the jet.

>>739709324
And how much do 20mm x 102mm rounds cost?

Lot less than your 10mil drones.

>>739709727
Who the fuck is "They?"

How did they get 2000 drones with the battery life to fly 50 nautical miles?

The absurdity of this scenario makes me think this is a pants on head retarded kid saying "What if the whales have lazers?"

>>739709527
Oh wow you are so clever, you're the first person to think of that. We totes magotes don't have an escort of nine different vessels solely dedicated to preventing that from happening

>>739709562
It's called cumulative damage and terror tactics, not A drone, swarms if them at all hours.

>>739709670
Are you at all capable of countering a valid argument?

>>739707577
I disagree. Modern ships have almost no armor. A battleship can take a fucking beating and keep on fighting.

I'd love to see one with rail guns.

>>739709748
The point is that, if they are large enough to carry weapons to damage a ship. They are going to be able to be shot down.

In which case the entire premise of swarming a warship with many small drones is impracticable.

Will we eventually see fewer and fewer pilots in favor of remote vehicles? Yes, but that isn't what we are talking about.

>>739709562
>most are
Yeah I'm sure when a country decides to attack the US military and destroy an aircraft carrier, they'll just use a couple of whatever they've got laying around. No biggie.
>wut is escalation in an arms race
It's what those carriers do to the idea of proportional response.

>>739709748
But they don't have "F35" painted on them. Lame.

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>>739708956
>>739709362
>That game of pew pew I got you is no relation to real-world combat. Not only is a story on confirmed, but these types of supposed exercises have a list of different simulated hindrance to the defending forces for exercises.

this anon knows what his talking about. During "war games" they can say, okay, for this exercise no use of airplanes to detect subs",lets see how the ships do by themselves, and "Go" .

even in the your own article it says that the rules of engagement were no made public.

>>739709744
Oh, I see you enjoy the US band linkin park.

i'm glad we could have a positive impact on your culture, newfriend.

I also noticed you won't post where you're from.

It's fine, a normal side effect of the irony of shitposting on an american website telling americans how much you hate america while using american references as to why they should kill themselves.

I'm sure it got the ayatollah to continue to 'laugh at us'

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>>739704825
Any new lunch announced today would be great. I'm hungry as fuck

>>739709839
There is no country in the world that has enough drones to overwhelm an entire carrier battle group. Our Skynet style computer systems don't even require humans to aim the guns for anti-air combat. This it simply needs to be turned on and ammo to be loaded

>>739709078
I think he should call putin on this one to help. Pence isn't strong either.. all he does is fold his hands and pray to a God that doesn't exist.

>>739709208
>Is that a fucking grain silo for bullets?

Pretty much. yeah.

>>739709797
>battery life of 50 nautical miles

Le sigh..."they" are Iran and anyone they support, "they" hacked/stole and cloned American drones.

>>739709779
>Only counting the ammo
Then the drones are not counted either.

One centurion block itself about 4-5 mil + 10k ammo per single use and the radar cost again being massive. By the way a Cram is not usefull against air vehicles, in the end it is just like a big gun with limited range.

>>739709999
What a waste of quads

>>739709798
And yet our abm systems are instantly overwhelmed by a volley of any size.

Good luck though. Hopefully your giant floating city can move faster than Mach 7.

>>739710052
Ah ok, are the enemy going to give you a chance to reload? How about eat/sleep? Terror tactics like that would have entire ship on edge.

>>739709507
DARPA and the DOD absolutely has specific technical research thrusts. Many years back I worked on programs for a JIEDDO which was an organization with a singular focus.

>>739709898
I was not that anon you had the initial argument with, but swarming with cheaper drones is a threat to carrier and makes them inpractical.

>>739710262
Many of these guns can be reloaded without going up topside. And I still want to hear where this magical force of overwhelming and endless supply of drones is coming from.

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Let's just say some spend money on thing that solve problems before they happen and others like to clean the trash after the bomb went off.

>>739710244
>Mach 7
Yeah the hypersonic race will be interesting, since it effectively eliminates the need for 99% of our military.

>>739709797
What if they did have lasers? Where would your naval superiority be then?

>>739710112
You think a system that can shoot down missiles is going to have issues taking down drones?

Flak vs small drones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAYDTV9oRaM

>>739710244
Where are you getting this information? Our ageis system is working just fine, especially when in communication with nine other ships systems in the area

>>739709925


k

>>739710463
Iran and any of its allies, they hacked and cloned an American drone. With how cheap drones are nowadays they can pump them out on an assembly line.

>>739710512
The US literally made that fucking problem.
Your stupidity is why the entire world hates you and wants to see China fuck you up.

>>739710722
You mean that the Afghan goat hoarders suddenly decided to attack this "America" and it wasn't the Soviets who invaded Afghanistan?

>>739708515
Really. That's all you got? The fact you said "Murican" makes me think you're from America and you're just lonely. I'm sorry anon. I hope your life turns around for you.

>>739710558
I thought you would understand my point. It is a gun, being propelled the most at the moment being shot, after that it looses speed and then drops off.
I would have to lie, but I read once max engage range is 1km and even drones engage range is far beyond that.

>>739710596
Nigger, I wasted 12 years in the Air Force. "Aegis is working fine" is a nice heartwarming sentence, I'll give you that.

>>739710722
Hey it wasn't just us. The whole western world got in on fucking with the middle east. We just have an ocean between us and them

>>739704825
lol

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I wonder who's setting up for world domination, also wonder if maybe this is why so many countries hate murica.

>>739710667
Are you quoting the plot from a Call of Duty game? These things are dirt cheap for Americans to pump out, because we have the industrial might to do so as well as a quality control. I doubt they also have an infinite crew of capable Pilots for those things, plus the technology to maintain that many No lag communications setup to talk to the drones. Whatever you think is going on is some sort of fantasy setting that doesn't exist

>>739704825
Technically, you're the ones fucking everything up by invading and supplying arms.

>>739710877
Aegis isn't an Air Force system so any opinions you have on it based on real-world experience is irrelevant. you work with your systems I'll work with mine

>>739710876
in 96 a Phalanx shot down an A-6. I cannot find the range though.

How exactly are these drones engaging? Missiles?

>>739710876
Correction, effective range is only 700 meters.

>>739706500
Lol small ships are becoming obsolete. Carriers are the whole point of the missions. Learn your shit booter.

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>>739710977
>so many countries hate murica.

keep hating.

>>739711031
You seem to thin Iran is just a bunch of sandniggers squatting in mud huts waiting for world vision to show up.

>>739704825
Whew! Finally, the US has an aircraft carrier. For a second there we were in danger of nit having a naval response to the threat of all the big Naval countries.

>>739710840
What kind of history lessons do you learn? We armed the goat herders against the Soviets. Now the goat herders have guns. A spoiled rich Saudi kid named Osama decided he hated the US for it's policies in the region (Israel being a big one, but also economic policies that kept an elite class in power.) and so he decided to rile up the now well armed and very poor goat herders against the American devil who was keeping them poor and "damaging their religion" or some gay shit like that.
And that's up to gulf war 2 and we haven't even touched on Iran.

>>739711332

20 years ago.. drone warfare.

The planes can't even fly in the fucking rain...

We would police the world but it's raining... oh well...

>>739711288
Well the pilot can still make errors or go for a machine gun strafe.

Missile and bomb
inb4 but they cost money too.
Yeah, but the jets are the most expensive asset here. Enemy would have to shoot down 10 drones for every lost jet.

>>739704825
Good thing the middle class isn't being taxed into poverty.

>>739711385
A large majority of its country is. It sure as hell isn't the first world military Empire that you think it is. It is capable of creating and Manning literally bottomless supply of drones. There is no way in hell any country other than America can field that many drones at once

>>739711364
I will, I live in a country that has never been threatened or invaded, we have an good rep with the world too. I also love the fact that you guys are stuck with that idiot trump, you deserve him.

>>739711527
Do you even know how big the drones are? A small ships wouldn't even be able to support it. They still need a carrier.

>>739711634
>any country other than murica

Ok kid, go sit down I think you're a little overstimulated.

>>739711757
How about I just go sit down and wait for you to create a valid counter argument

>>739711667
Look at the x37 (only an unmaned prototype). Why use carrier if you can reach any point on earth in about the same time.

>>739704825
This is what we got in exchange for cutting kids lunches, education, and every branch of scientific research that would move us into the future.

Another big boat for going back in time to fight last centuries wars with. Ooh, but now we have 11 of them costing us money instead of just 10. More is always better.

>>739711961
*unarmed

>>739711634
>can build nuclear reactor
>assembly line for drones too complicated

Wew lad

>>739709128
These are great for up close but have limited ammo and it takes a while to reload.

>>739704825
The most exorbitantly expensive way to do battle there is. Spend spend spend, the taxpayers will make more.

>>739711652
What do you mean we deserve him? Most Americans are victims of the corporate oligarchy and don't even know it. They literally eat up propaganda day in and day out. If you took any group of people and plopped them down in this system they'd be just as entrenched in it.

>>739711827
Not my fault you're both too stupid and too blinded by your love for murica to understand. Come back when you're less bias.

>>739712009
Addition:
China is already building ully automated drone assembly lines and by 2022 they will have produced and exported 2.700 drones to all around the world.

>>739712197
Correection:
by '25

>>739706090
kek

>>739712197
And they will be incredibly reliable like all their other shit.....

>>739706090
Oh dat a good one

>>739712157
That is still not about a counter argument, how about we take the sound to experience and knowledge basis? I have nine years in the Navy working with the ships I talk about. What are you basing your knowledge on

>>739704825
Gee, I wonder why no other countries want to rebuild their huge navies. It's almost like, there are good reasons to not piss away your money on stupid shit.

>>739712401
The good thing about drones is, that they are piss cheap, especially the chinese one (about 6 mil) and only third world countries were buying them so far (middle east, irak, iran, afghanistan, saudi and some other shitholes)

ITT: Faggots defend the GOP's wasteful spending

Daily reminder: It's about to get much worse.
fox8.com/2017/07/07/proposed-new-military-branch-would-send-us-troops-to-guard-the-galaxy/

>>739712543
We're pissing away air, we don't even use money in America. We make up numbers to get you to build us stuff. Thanks guys.

>>739712623
Did the link 404 or did I fall for it? I was really interested to see our new line of galactic soldiers.

>>739711634
You have absolutely no idea what has been going on in China over the last 20 years, and are making some very old rookie assumptions about their technological capacity, their level of tech relative to ours, their means of production, and capacity to scale that production. You might asc well be talking about 1950s China, for all it has in common with today.

>>739712756
>broken link
Bah

http://myfox8.com/2017/07/07/proposed-new-military-branch-would-send-us-troops-to-guard-the-galaxy/

Headline is somewhat misleading, but Trump greenlit this fucking terrible idea.

>>739712664
>in america
>you guys
Q. Who do you imagine you're talking to right now, anon?

>>739704825
>remember who protects the international waters
China
>assures a healthy balance of power on a global scale
Germany

>>739712841
I don't think you know as much as you think you do either, unless you have access to classified intelligence.

>>739713121
You have no idea what I know.
But I have a very good idea of what you know.

It's what we all thought we knew twenty years ago. ...when we didn't know anything.

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>>739713329
I'm a different anon, I'm not >>739711634

But I do have have been in the Navy for 9 years.

>>739713426
hah I fucked that sentence up

>>739704825
Submarines!
Hooyah mcpon
Hooyah navy
And
Hooyah America

>>739706090
Whats funny is itd still beat the rest of the worlds navy in battlegames.
Shit wouldnt the uss jenner be a boomer?

>>739712898
Well fuckin' nice. I just wish they wouldn't make so many references to popular culture, writers like that should be fired. We need real fucking stories, not attempts to relate to us.

>>739712984
I don't give a fuck. Not in an offending way, I just don't care.

>>739704825
USA USA USA

>>739712401
Yeah bc china can't make precise things, since Europe and the US didn't just spend decades working with them on manufacturing techniques before the engineering generation graduated and turned the country into the worlds manufacturing mecca & they can't into electronics, or rapidly employ millions of workers to build massive quantities of electronic devices at a high precision with a low defect rate.

Tell us again why iPhone production will not be coming back to the US, mr cook? Oh yeh, bc the us can't field a couple million workers over a weekend any time a new design is ready.

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>>739710084
silo is the guidance system, it can function autonomously to take out multiple ASM and those massive waves of drones from Iran

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>>739713659
Please see
>>739705614
Ex royal navy m8 and worked with you guys more then once, your really not as good as you seem to believe you are

>>739713661
well whoever you imagined yourself talking to, it made your sentence not make any sense

>>739713833
Yeah, but can it take out multiple ASMR?

>>739713833
But it would have been cooler full of bullets...

>>739705078
Because all names are political.

>>739713886
Oh I know...I know...

>>739713884
Hey, delicious cunt, don't you have some cute miniature boats you just built? 2 of them, yea?

>>739710101
O NO IRAN?
you think IRAN IS A THREAT?
KEK
and you even said "le sigh"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
W O W

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>>739714053
Thats correct, whats you point?

>>739709000
You probably know how much energy is in 1lb of HE - more then enough to kill every not or lightly shielded things on the ship with ex. a fragmentation head. So there won't be radar, radio, Phalanx or anything else.

And that 1lb of HE is more then enough to make nice holes in the deck with a shaped charge head, too.

So no, the future is small, cheap and numerous and not big, expensive and few.

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http://playwarships.tk

>>739708854
Learn to green text you faggot. Lurk moar

>>739713786
Yea, I'm a cook and you're an Admiral.

>low defect rate
Citation needed

Not to mention they have never really employed a lot of their cool new toys in a real situation, whereas we have. Sure the capabilities of systems they are developing, and have developed are impressive, but that doesn't suddenly put them in the forefront of the world.

Apple can stay gone as far as I'm concerned.

>>739706887
Only Enterprise kids will remember.

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>>739709070
Not at all surprised.

>>739704825
Navy vetfag here. You are wrong. Maintaining two-carrier presence in the Gulf is just a dick waving contest with Iran. Carriers are more than capable of staying out 10+ months, yet we have them all on 6-8 month roatations. Another carrier is a tremendous waste of funds, especially considering the money wasted by over-egineering the new mag-lev catapults.
Your apparent devotion to nationalism and a president with no history of military strategy makes you seem ignorant and dull.

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>>739714437
Clinton didn't inhale.

>>739713909
probably alot of them, don't forget there are multiple phalanx systems on each ship including the CV in the battle group working in concert. I'm more hyped for laser systems like the isrealis use to take out incoming rockets, we need those but bigger mounted on our ships and planes. It will be the end of ballistics.

>ITT: amerifats defend the use of their tax dollars on obsolete warships instead of a better education or healthcare systems, while eurofags sperg about word police and whatnot.

t. ausfag

>>739714883
not him, but it's not "another" carrier it's the replacement for the decommissioned Enterprise.

>>739706090
Non zozzle. Lil bitch

>>739715097
The real situation is, that USA is really fucking big. If all of Europe had one defense budget, it'd be similar to US in both spending and it would still be smaller.

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>>739715257
>>739713659
Same butthurt fag

>>739715413
U lose nigger

>>739714883
it's a dick waving contest with China navy fag.

tensions are getting hot, they're building islands to try and expand their control into international waters. USA has interest in keeping that shit open for shipping.

If it was just about fishing and oil drilling, they wouldn't need to build islands.

>>739715397
yeah, I do have to agree with you, but It makes no sense for 'murica to be spending *that* much on millitary instead of healthcare. It's gonna get to the point where they're gonna have an army protecting a nation of terminally I'll people who can't afford medical assistance.

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>>739715515
Lose what holmes?

>>739715211
Enterprise hasn't been deployed since 2012 (I should know, I was there). Ford has not been (and will not be) combat ready for years. Yet, all the other carriers are doing 6 and 8 month cruises to the Gulf. Seems like we are doing just fine without.
Also where do you drum up a new CAG to put on the damn thing? There aren't any CAG-less squadrons to shuffle around, and the F-35 is turning up to be a giant shart.

>>739715397
>If all of Europe had one defense budget, it'd be similar to US
Uhm no, if you add up all of europes military budget, we would only have 25% of your spendings, hell even china has only 30% of it.

>>739715614
Are all of the people of the earth not equally entitled to its resources? The contest just seems to be an exercise in absurdity.

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>MFW we will never be able to unleash the full force of our military on an enemy without it being a Israeli proxy war
Feels bad

>>739708243
>carrys around air craft
>not an air craft carrier

Supercarriers aren't going to be useful in the future. Drones are small, cheap, and easy to make. They can definitely be used to overwhelm a carrier and sink it or shoot down an F-22. If you have the industry you can just keep pumping out cheap drones to replace the ones you lost while the same can't be said for something like the F-22 or a super-carrier.

>>739705093
You know nothing...

>>739715728
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a24596/the-us-navy-adds-nine-ships-in-2017/

tl:dr
9 new ships just for 2017
1 Carrier
2 Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers
2 nuclear-powered attack submarines
4 smaller Littoral Combat Ships

More will probably be done by 2021 when the Ford is ready to go.
I hope a new Enterprise is in the works my father served on that ship in Vietnam babysitting the man-portable nukes and sucking up the agent orange that was pumped into the planes. Thank you for your service sqidly, former marine here.

>>739704825
>assures a healthy balance of power on a global scale.
>healthy balance of power

kek.

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I shall also be firing Robert Mueller and putting my hot sexy daughter Ivanka in charge of investigation to clear me and jail crooked Hilary. Maga

>>739704825
Is this their new plan to try and get people to fear / repsect the US again?

Are they all like "I know you think we're a joke because Trump is President, but look we've still got all these weapons of war!... please fear us... please"

>>739707295
You are seriously deluded..trust me you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>739709227
>You seem to be implying that an aircraft carrier could hold off thousands of small fast moving,well armed drones

for one, a "well armed drone" isn't going to be that small. it will have a radar signature that will leave it open to missile fire from far off. and if someone is launching "thousands", that base will be obliterated before they can launch more than a few. they will be tracked back to their launch point.

>>739717056
Hey there, brother.
That's all fine and dandy.
Personally, even during my time in service, I've never been a fan of the DOD's spending habits.

>>739705093
and you are losing.

>>739710546
>What if they did have lasers? Where would your naval superiority be then?

strapping bombs to dolphins. we had them in the 50s.

>>739716462
Congratulations you ironically quoted a correct statement.

>>739708833
Well we wiped out Iraq's army pretty fucking quick, the Taliban have been pretty much shit for years now..of course in those 2 countries you mention they haven't had any peace in a thousand years for one reason or another so I didn't expect things to be calm after we went there and mostly left after fucking them up.

>>739709797
>>739714098

kek. this iran drone fuck is envisioning thousands of the small personal camera size 4 rotor drones taking out an aircraft carrier. he doesn't know what a weapons capable drone looks like.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Test-Logo.svg/783px-Test-Logo.svg.png

>>739709897
The main reason battleships became obsolete was due to missiles, a modern destroyer could launch a barrage at a battleship and completely destroy it before it's artillery guns even got within range.

>>739717432
Agreed about the spending, throwing good money after bad to keep underwhelming combat platforms going like the LCS and F-35 going just to fill pockets hurts more than helps in the long run.

>>739717836
You mean the chinese CH-5 Rainbow produced in saudi arabia and sold to every country paying enough in the middle east?

>>739708898
Yes so a marine cook is an augmented Rifleman. But these amphibious assault ships can not fill or replace the role of a carrier. They can carry a handful of Harrier jump Jets. But so can a destroyer or cruiser in an emergency, that does not turn them into aircraft carriers though

>>739709154
Fuck off world police, so many issues in the modern world are due to american meddling.

>>739708945
Let me guess, you're a piece of dog shit Hillary fan from the far left right? You hate America so get the fuck out loser..Hillary was put into retirement.

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>>739718435
He got a point tho

>>739709897
Yeah they're heavily armored and they can throw Volkswagen Beetles offensively, but it doesn't necessarily mean they're useful on the modern Battlefield. An old-school cannon is probably more powerful than an assault rifle but id rather have an assault rifle crew than a cannon crew

>>739708640

our navy is there to protect american interests.

we're not interested in crimea

>>739704825
>USS Gerald R Ford
I bet no one even voted on that name.

>>739719148
The military defends democracy, it does not practice it

>>739718015
This guy gets it.

>>739704825
And in true fashion, the aircraft carrier will trip over the dock and then fall down a flight of stairs.

>>739704825
tribute to Russia for trying to keep the waters clean

>>739706700
China is building a lot of carriers now. Also there's no way they won't have the biggest navy in the future.

>>739719697
So they're building aircraft carriers and so is the rest of the first world, so why is it impossible they won't have the biggest Navy? They're starting from almost zero while we outrank them all combined in with a vulgar amount of raw numbers and Power

>>739704825
I'd have much rather seen the cost of this thing go right into NASAs pocket. Who are we protecting? We have all these tools and we can't do anything but proxy wars via rebel trash that come to hate us later.

This shit only matters if the nuke was gone, now we can't have a gool ol' fashion conventional without the whole world going.

>>739719298
It was a joke, a joke that I knew no one would get.
No one actually voted for Gerald Ford. Nixon appointed him VP when Spirow Agnew resigned as VP, and then Ford became president when Nixon resigned. He's the only entirely un-elected president in US history.

>>739704825
>Naming a battle ship after a brain damaged, fall over all the time piece of shit.
Really instills fear in our enemies, I bet.

>>739720208
I'd be pretty afraid to go near an aircraft carrier that I thought might fall on me.

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>>739720274
Top kek

>>739720274
Id be more afraid of all the seamen spilling out

>>739709070
This is bullshit in it's purest form.

>>739709113
Nigger detected

Trump fans are the most entertaining retards I know. Far better than the goatfuckers who blow up themselves.