So I'm strongly considering becoming an officer or taking

>>739550993

>Masters in Civil Engineering also considering move to law enforcement.
>monitoring this thread

>>739550993
https://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/payentitlements/military-pay-charts.html

60k? Lmao. No.

>>739550993
if you want the law to support you in being an absolute dick to everyone you meet then go cop
if you want the support you being a dick to your subordinates and your superiors being a dick to you, then go army

>>739550993
>S.T.E.M. degree
you can go OCS and become a 2nd lieutenant in the army
direct pay is not as good as cops
but you also get allowances for housing, food, and uniforms which will bring the two about equal

what? no

as someone who did this it was a bad idea

Look into being a Federal agent. Plenty of agencies have a law enforcement branch.

badge and a gun, and you don't have to deal with the dindunuffins' or towelheads, or the idiots in the military who got promoted just because they could run fast

>>739551403
It requires a science degree, talked to a recruiter.
>>739551615
Ugh this is the narrow perspective i expected. I don't have to be a dick as a cop. I would actually like to improve community relations.
I do expect that the army atmosphere would be more abrasive to my assertive personality type though.

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if you absolutely must join the military join the air force

>>739552224
>I don't have to be a dick as a cop
no
but between pressure from your superior officers and fellow cops
and having a job that is basically just interacting with the worst of humanity all day every day
you will become a massive dick to everyone you meet, wether you plan to or not

>>739552016
I appreciate the advice, but i think the position i am looking at would better suit my long-term career goals based on the job title.
>>739552142
Can you be more specific about your experience? I'm not looking to be a cop in a bad area, there are many jobs available in nice suburbs.
I'm not sure about becoming a fed, sounds like it would take me too far in a different direction. I'll look into it though.

>>739550993
Police can make a bit of money in cyber. Army Intel has a lot of fun possibilities. Classified isn't always new I do. Go for the gold. Police is usually crap pay. DoD opens a lot of doors.

>>739550993
Police or any LEO 100% seriously fuck army you'll be bored as fuck and be a jaded alcoholic within 2 years. Also there's no good wars and shit going on to go to.

>>739552479
This. Not to mention the training.

>>739552479
B-b-but ill be different!... I get where you're coming from on that. I'm aware it sounds ideological.

>>739552825
Cops are a good starting point. Not a career. Military then scum sucking contractor is a far better career.

>>739552822
even in nice area you deal with two types of people
>criminals
>criminals that instead of dealing with shit on their own decide to call the cops on their fellow criminals
no decent human being calls the cops
they either deal with shit on their own or call a laywer

>>739552822
Law Enforcement here.

How old are you? If you're young enough, you could do both. Police departments love ex military guys. Having a Bachelors is even better on top of that.

You might want to try getting into private security in a community setting (basically, private police) which isn't easy, but if you can find a place it's good to basically experience the police job without signing onto a department and having them dump tons of $$$ into you for academy training, etc.

Lots of guys can't handle the job, doesn't make you any less manly or anything. Honestly no matter what you're going to have days you think it's just not worth it. But there are also plenty of days you literally save peoples lives and that is a good feeling.

>>739552860
LEO is shit. Badge and a gun is fun, yes. But you are worthless outside that.

Do both be a MP

>>739552825
Money isn't the objective. I know that sounds crazy.
>>739552860
Ya i know, but I'm not going to likely be in combat. I would be supporting my fellow man in a non violent capacity. >>739553063
I can handle the training of either.

>>739552822
Stem, then Army OCS. Lot of b.s. for not enough pay- I'm more of a glorified manager than a scientist. Air Force/Navy have more opportunities for actually using your brain than Army.

With the Feds remember that if it's illegal and crosses state lines there's usually an agent that handles it. The FDA has armed agents that bust companies who make tainted pills and a neighbor's daughter works at the Treasury tracking down terrorist money.

>>739550993
Got around 3 and a half years of army here. Depending on what MOS you pick, you can open up a lot of doors as others have said. If you go into a job that requires a security clearance and get approved for one, you can use that clearance in the civilian workforce afterward. If you're degree is at least a bachelor's, you can either join as a Specialist (E4), or go straight to OCS. Try to get any medical stuff you want done approved while you're in also. I just got PRK eye surgery last month for free.

>>739552142
I though you had to be in law enforcement for a few years before you could go federal?

>>739553145
So you're saying army? Or both?
>>739553189
I'm a decent human being and I've had to call the cops multiple times. Once i got a junky who was shooting up horse while driving and swerving into oncoming lanes.
>>739553192
I'm young enough to do both, but would rather stick with one as my plan for now. If i change my mind down a path ill create another thread asking you. ;)
>>739553192
Don't private security usually have police or military experience?

>>739553433
Ok non combat job I think you should try be a loadmaster for a chinook if army or fixed wing aircraft and go air force. Probably one of the best jobs in the military and you actually go and do shit and it looks fun as fuck, plus you get to man the rear gun if needed. I think they get operational service a bit, dropping supplies and stuff to shitty countries.

>>739553192
I agree. You have to deal with the lowest common denominator as LEO. I work with a lot of LEO on the FED side. A lot of effort and ego... I can appreciate that. I qualify on the range too. The future (comfort and pay) is not on the street (humint). It's cybint and osint

>>739553600
That's what I'm afraid would happen. I would feel underutilized if I felt like a manager.

>>739553433
Money isn't the objective.... what is? Making a difference? Domestic distutes don't make a difference. Stopping a Russian spook does.

>>739554291
Officers are just managers and work in offices all day.

>>739553997
>I'm a decent human being and I've had to call the cops multiple times.
did you interact with the cops?
if not then you can't count your experience as proof that cops deal with decent people
and believe me, it becomes very obvious who are calling the cops bc they want to be "friends" with the cops or want to be a cop themself but are to chicken or broken to do it
and it quickly gets annoying as fuck

>>739553997
Kinda depends. A lot of them do, but you can get into it without it if you get certified. It's easier to get into it if you have prior experience, sure.

Just sayin', if it's an option, might be worth looking into. There are communities (not many, but they do exist) that have basically private police forces in everything but the title. They operate in a smaller area (think 3-5 neighborhoods) but literally do all the police work that cops would normally do for the area.

It's kinda like training wheels for becoming a cop if you can find a job like that. If you find yourself enjoying it / being able to handle the stress then you can just imagine multiplying that by like 10 and that's what being a cop is like.

>>739554140
I know I'm going to get hate for thjs, but i don't like heights. I can handle roller coasters and being on the empire state building, but have experienced no joy from either.
>>739554214
Ya that is a legitimate concern. Most calls are about domestic abuse, so I'll likely be talking to shitheads about how their wives are clumsy.

>>739553997
Unless you go Fed or work with joint task forces, any DoD... Most non Fed LEO may be good at interviewing, but suck at real-world application of life skills.

>>739550993
Stop following the government like a sheep. You support killings of innocent civilians. Aside of that. You will get ptsd 100% why not take a safe job faggot. If u want to live dangerously, become an underwater welder. In Europe they get 9k per month bcs of all the risks they get. Just a thought. Fuck the usa. Al qaeda ftw

ITT
>Idiots who want to be "Uncle Sam's" little pawns

Keep fighting the good fight, If that's what you're believing...

>>739554432
I guess i am not aware enough of the spook issue..
>>739554446
All of them? Im pretty muscular and fit so i hope they would find me something more suitable
>>739554511
I was referring to your statement that "decent people never call the cops". >>739554594
Certified as a private security? I wasn't aware there is such a thing.

>>739554652
non combat job without heights I'd go MP then cops after 4 years, or a medical job.

>>739554652
I respect the hell out of LEO... I am glad I didn't choose to go to the academy and get a post... I hate people. Work is shit. Family life sucks. Pay sucks. Training for non confrontation sucks. When you leave or retire, you get fucked... at least in any military service, you can branch out. Hell, even be a Chaplin of you want. You dont usually have to deal with US citizen crap all day.

>>739550993

santa monica pd starting pay:

SALARY: $35.98 - $44.42 Hourly
$2,878.15 - $3,553.38 Biweekly
$6,236.00 - $7,699.00 Monthly
$74,832.00 - $92,388.00 Annually

And they have a lot of openings....

>>739554725
I'll take that into consideration.

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Neither independent ops so after corrupt cops and feds

>>739555302
But in Cali, you have to deal with being a fagot... They don't like being anything.

In Dade County, cyber gets over 145k a year

>>739555132
Different states do it differently, but usually you have to get some kind of basic training (20 hours) and then another 20 hours for Firearms training, total of 40 hrs

Then you get a permanent employee card for your state, and you'll be issued a firearms card whenever you get hired at a private security firm. Can't get it without working for someone.

Usually you can get the training at a local community college or seek it out privately. A lot of firearms/private detective instructor type people offer that kind of stuff.

>>739554977
Doesn't change come from within? You think things will improve if we just wear black and say "fuck you", grow up.

jobs are for plebs anon why work if you don't have to? Army will discretely give you steroids and fuck you up long term.

Being a cop will fuck you up long term and you will be doing steroids with your buddies intentionally.

choices hurt people fincially = cop hurt people physically = army

>>739550993
WTF does sense of smell have anything to do with it? Planning on sniffing out crime?

>>739555555

>>739555633
cop unions have been working for decades to make it so that anyone on the inside in a position to change things has been so indoctrinated that they no longer want to change things

>>739555577
Snap... 40 hours of training! Damn... It should be 2k hours ( 1 year). At least a year... Better knowledge of law, should be common skills, and weapons training.

>>739555577
Interesting. Ill definitely look into it and speak with someone in the field. I do feel like the potential of being in a courtroom situation would be better if i were a cop than private security though.

>>739552224
Look out this guy talked to the recruiter.
Fucking guys will tell you anything to get you to sign on,

>>739555693
Some agencies ban perfumes due to scent sensitivities

Ah! I remember when I was 13...

>>739550993
For one, it's a good move. I was going to choose between being a barber, or law enforcement. Hair will always grow, crime will always be an issue. BUT cops as well as officers in the military are paid shit. So I took an alternative route. Now there are hard-asses who work for private military organizations, I am not one of them. I went the watered-down version. All I do is work on a military base, as an armed civilian, and search commercial vehicles for explosives, drugs, contraband, etc. I do this for $38 an hour, full time, with PTO and health benefits.

Now is it rough-neck back-breaking work? Yeah. But I get to work outside, the faces change, and I get to carry a gun and shit... and bro, it's so god damn easy to find things in people's trucks. Luckily I've never had to deal with any terrorism stuff, but I've found plenty of weed, meth, coke, etc. Why? Because people are fucking idiots and want to bring it on to a federal base.

So my suggestion? Look into fringe law enforcement fields. Pays more, don't have to deal with as much political mumbo jumbo. And if you are good, you get offered those risky positions overseas. I never took any chance with it, I am a huge gaping walking vagina.

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Graveyard of Empires:Afghanistan. Your decades of spending billions of dollars and receiving back your soldiers in bodybags did nothing. Look at the fucking map. Just pull out your penis out of the middle east and go for a peace treaty. No one gets hurt. Is it that difficult??

>>739555668
"discreetly give you steroids"
Do you actually know this or are you just talking shit? I actually have always suspected that steroids are popular among army guys.
>>739555693
Lol. I could smell people smoking speed from a block away.
>>739555818
Ya that's the cynical attitude i used to have. I hope that i can overcome such odds, but i realize it sounds idealistic.

>>739556003
Look into courtroom security. Our local court security is through the sheriffs department - you work for the sheriff's dpt, but you're not a sworn officer and don't go through the normal academy.

Kind of a middle ground, again.

>>739550993
Go into the military if you enjoy that kind of bullshit.

Both of these careers are shit jobs. The difference is that if you go into the military you will get decent training and end up with a future afterwards.

If you succeed in the military then you have the option of progressing, making really excellent money in the private sector, or going into politics etc if you're into that sort of thing. If you don't find yourself to be very successful then you could still go into police work after.

Most police forces are full of ex-military guys anyway. Mediocre, ex-military of above average intelligence should be running most local police forces.

>>739556003
security guards rarely do anything that could bring them to court
and when they do it rarely results in them actually going to court
every time a cop makes an arrest they have the potential of being required to go to court
and for every hour spent making an arrest or issuing a ticket expect to spend 2 hours in court

>>739556115
How can you tell an I trovert from an extrovert at the NSA...


An extrovert looks at other people's shoes.

US army,navy a/f, warts and all
the people giving them orders gave not always done the right things,are what prevented totalitarians from ruling the whole planet,totalitarians with nukes,,the presence of the US prevented stinkhole statists from overrunning the globe ever since truman decided we have to end the war,if we make a hundred thousand crispy fry to save another 2,000,000 of their own slanteyed
citizens in invasion with our guys,we have to do it.

military service is something worthwhile,pursue it,do as well as you can,it may not pay what private employers can offer,that service ought to be reward enough for most

>>739555970
I agree with you wholeheartedly that there needs to be a LOT more training.

They only make you do 8 hours a year remedial shit I believe.

Depending on what job you work, you might learn what you need to know on the job. But that's the problem with it..... some security jobs literally do police work - and they need a LOT more training. Some security jobs just stand around and literally do nothing except look pretty all day.

Security is a weird field that needs more regulation.

>>739556035
Lol ya i definitely got that sense, but parts of it were in writing.
>>739556337
Thank you for the advice, ill look into that.

>>739556415
>Ya that's the cynical attitude i used to have.
I have it from talking with 5 of my friends who are cops and 6 of my relatives
the politics of cop unions destroys any possibility of breaking down the blue line
although none of them have specifically talked about a blue line
it is very obvious from what they say about the union's political platform and how they feel about civilians they meet on the job
there is very much an "us versus them" attitude in law enforcement

>>739556764
While I am unable to give you the name of my current employer. There are many names of these types of organizations. Paragon is one of them. I'd look into Paragon.

>>739556513
Testifying In court is easy. Just time consuming... that is why I charge double... The judge is out of date, the attorney is stupid, and the jury is the lowest common denominator...

Either way you are gonna kill innocent people, while perpetuating a system of violence and suppression of the freedom of mankind.

I'm thinking of doing military as well but since I'm getting old and am out of shape I figure I start with security. Getting experience as unarmed then moving to armed. In the meantime I'm going to be working out and maybe hit up the national guard since it wouldn't be a full time job with them.

>>739556477
Interesting, never would have suspected that. Always thought they were cops. >>739556481
I don't really do well with people yelling at me. I'm fairly assertive so I'm concerned i would be confrontational. No desire for politics.
>>739556513
They never show up for speeding tickets though, that's how I've got tickets dismissed before.

>>739556727
Physical security is more of a deterant and not a corrective access control. Unless you see a crime, you can not detain. Illegal detainment and a violation of rights. So, yes... pretty decorations. I would hate that job.

>>739556902
:(
>>739556948
I will research it, thank you.
>>739557074
No..

>>739557306
Under 37, do military or Fed. Start the retirement

>>739557719
As far as I am concerned, if you join the Military or the police force, you are the peoples enemy.
You will not work for the good of mankind. Increased police and military presence always leads to increases in crime, drug, and homicide rates. The more the system tries to control the people, the worse the people become. You do have a chance to make a positive difference instead by becoming an instructor, a motivator, an engineer or a entrepreneur.

>>739557074
Fagot to the nth degree... I've caused the death of dozens of dumbasses in my job. It's called evolution. Don't raise a glock against a dozen fully armed spec ops. Don't have a stash of RPGs near a logistics route. Do I sleep well, yeah... except when I remember footage of some idiot planting an IED getting lit up by a gunship, then I get hard.

>>739558029
It's ok to be retarded. We accept you as you are.

>>739558325
There is a high likelihood USA was directly responsible to the escalation of violence in whatever region you are referring to. Am I wrong, jackboot?

>>739551615
actual police here. this is beyond accurate.

everyone goes into the job thinking they will be the gung ho action hero. police are the bottom rung of societal control. we deal with 95% of the shit that goes wrong in any given community. you will become a dick, regardless of your intention. this job doesn't burn you out, but it does give you thick skin.

that said, pay is good in affluent communities and you won't have trouble making six digits if you work overtime. one of the last pensioned careers out there too.

>>739558029
Military takes an oath to protect the constitution and America from enemies both foreign and domestic. If a 3 star general told you to kill law abiding civilians, it is your duty to say fuck you and not do that. The 3 star is an enemy. Constitution trumps fagot management.

If you are the turd that violates that oath, there are plenty of servicemen that will slit your thoat. Then you have to look at the rest of the "enemy combatants "

>>739558678
Yes, you are wrong fagot

>>739550993
>army is offering 60k to start

yeah this is utter bullshit. i have three friends that just became JAG officers. they start at the same 2LT rate as everyone else.

they don't even start their doctors at 60k. it doesn't work that way. you're a fucking idiot if you believe that shit.

>>739559016
Idealistic nonsense.

>>739559016
army are known for huge fag orgies

>>739558888
You deal with the lowest common denominator...
Good friend was racist for the statistical anomaly that commuted violent offences in his jurisdiction. He took a job in the middle East for a few years... his respect changed. He knows where the ppl in the states stands. He understands. Lazy lying fucks over there he can't deal with.

>>739550993

Why not just suck dick like the faggot you obviously are?

Op here
>>739558029
As far as im concerned your thoughts are angsty and not based in reality. Ive already done some of the good you describe. The way i feel now i need a change of pace and scenery. Maybe eventually ill start an npo or go back to my current path.
>>739558888
What if im close with lawyers and other powerful people? Why can't i be different? Im very resourceful and I'd like to believe i can improve the system.

>>739559449
Intellectually accurate oath. I know many lifers and retired that will take up arms.

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>>739559591
Now you are just being stupid...

>>739559770
you can't improve the system because you will be alienated by other police. if you're willing to report on an officer in your department nobody will trust you. therefore, nobody will have your back.

change only happens at an adminstrative level. unless you get an MS in criminal justice and police administration you will never get that job.

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>>739556415
>>739555633
>>739557719
>wanting to be a cop to change things for the better and make the world a better place
Same. I'm going into academy in 2 months, let's tear shit up my guy

>>739559770
It is easy to dismiss as angsty, and opinions like mine mean very little - unless I am in a position of power. Then my opinion holds weight. There are a lot of us now, and we are working very hard to clean up the mess that has been left to our generation. But military, and law enforcement in most developed countries have become a barrier that needs to be overcome if we are to move ahead further as a species. We do not need you anymore.

>>739559770
we all know that cops are friends of powerful people

>>739559770
You can't make a difference. Honestly. I thought the same when I first went into the DoD. Unless you are top of the totem pole, union leader, or a 3rd party consultant, you are just an employee... Sorry, but real world...

>>739560128
You'll be taking bribes and shooting niggers on sight within the year.

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>>739560372
Why is that bad?

>>739560577
b8 fag

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>>739560372
Even Queen Hilary Clinton deems them and Super Pedators...

>>739560108
Are you. Implying they will set me up to die if i arraign them or shine light? >>739560128
Nice. I feel like if more decent people join instead of being cynical and saying its fucked we can improve the system. >>739560163
Lol you think you don't need law enforcement? You wouldn't last a day without them. Also im from your generation you cunt. I have power regardless of whether some poor angsty teenager posting anonymously says so. >>739560228
If i were a cop then yes, i would be.

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>>739560740
Too stupid to reply with real content. Thats ok. We support you life choices...

army you'll get less shit for killing shitbag

join the army, a lot more free stuff

>>739560990
I think all jurisdictions that vote no LE should live 6 months without. After a few month purge, life would be easier for LE. Well, after a month of firefights with the thug leftovers. The rest of the snowflakes will have melted.

>>739550993
I would say join the military.... but not the army.

Honestly I would go air force or navy.

They booth have a good mp program that would fit what you wanted.

After you could go police and get a better job doing it because of past training.

My dad was an army drill Sargent. The army seems to chew people up. Just my 2 cents.

become officer joe cool and let shit slide with weed offenders

>>739561397
Marines sleep in ug out trenches.

Army sleeps in tents

Navy sleeps on boats

Air force sleep in air conditioned apartments with running water and hot showers. After a nice bed.

Op here
>>739561396
No... I don't want them to die for being ignorant on the matter of LE.
>>739561397
I guess ill check out navy too. Thanks.

If you become a cop, I hope you get shot on the job you fucking snitch.

OP ever hear of CID? Army fag here. You work in civilian clothes and after you done with your contract you have a good chance becoming a special agent. My next unit after I leave Korea is a MP Unit.

Op here
>>739561606
Lol i would be tempted to up to a point, i definitely wouldn't let somebody get away with driving while using it though..

>>739561833
Not to you. To those that hate LE. Let them have the choice to die in anarchy. When weeded out, business as usual. More sarcastic than not

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>>739561995
See, retards can use the internet too.

>>739561999
I have now. I guess i could consider that, but if i were to army i would rather be in the science capacity i have discussed to avoid people yelling at me.

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I SUPPORT ANY DECISION YOU MAKE OP

>>739562079
Ya i get where you're coming from brother. I feel like those that just hate LE are enhancing the us vs them mentality.

I'm in the same boat OP, in college now at 21 and its a drag, taking law enforcement classes though is good fun. I want to do Air Force or Security / Police, while i continue my education in business and criminal law. Should I just man up and join the Air Force as a MP for 4 years, get all the benefits that i can, and then leave and maybe start my own business or join the Police? Any input greatly valued

>>739550993
>keen sense of smell wont mean much long. weed will be legalized.

>>739563154
Firstly thats wishful thinking. Secondly read the thread, people smoke other things.

>>739561999
Yep. Or OSI AF. However, they are not real cops... What I mean by that is the training sucks unless you can get on a joint Fed task force and the cases are not real shithole people like "real" cops. Lol... just different dirt...

Op here
i need to go to bed. I am actually shocked at how few haters posted in this thread. Thanks for the inciteful responses guys. Im going to make a pros and cons board tomorrow. Also a positive about being a cop that none of you mentioned is i would still have the ability to see my many close friends and family.

>>739564082
Just don't go Fed then... They ship you out

> And then he smells crime again, he's out busting heads. Then he's back to the lab for some more full penetration. Smells crime. Back to the lab, full penetration. Crime. Penetration. Crime.

>>739564082
Have fun shooting unarmed black men.

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>>739550993
If you want to stay fit, Army is definitely the way to go. However, there is the branch of SWAT and Riot Control, and those require you to be fit as well. But besides that, pros and cons of both:

>Army Pros:
Military Service
Stay fit (since you brought that up)
Military Benefits

>Army Cons:
Dying
PTSD
Losing a limb


In the Army you'll probably see more action. You'll deal with things such as death, blood, blown up people. With the current war with ISIS going down, I project you won't be deploying as much.

Police Pros:
Not very active, rarely see action
Mostly handle domestic cases such as crashes, robberies, hot pursuits, and occasionally drug busts depending where you live
Subdivision of police to join such as SWAT, Riot Control
Able to move to Military Police expeditiously

Police Cons:
Occasionally bad publicity
Not as much action
Will be sitting in a cruiser for most of the time

Police is pretty mellow. If you live in Chicago then you'll probably see more action. (huhuh)

The choice is yours, /b/ro. I wish you the best of luck.

>>739564443
I like black people, pretentious asshole.

Op here
>>739564633
Thank you. ill definitely put those on the pros and cons list. Im not planning of going anywhere tense like Chicago..

Goodnight all.

You sound more suited to be a mall security guard.

>>739550993
What made you choose the army? Pretty terrible choice since you have a stem degree.

>>739550993
Neither you idiot.

Join the Air Force as an Officer. Shit is easy af.

>>739564633
this faggot is going to be an officer in the army doing something with science, hes not gonna see death, blood or blown up people. he has a higher chance of responding to something fucked being a police officer.