Why do people blame Trump for Congress' misfortune? The

>>739383960
I dont think its that hes failing. Its that he made such grandiose promises about how amazing he was then goes on to sound like a dumbass talking about ho hars everything is for him. Then flip flopping and talking about how amazing he is. Plus no matter how smart he may be he continues to display the emotional maturity of a middle schooler. And he did promise to drain the swamp, put checks on congress and al that shit and now wants to blame the swamp he saidnhe could fix for not being able to accomplish what he promises.

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>>739384195
>I dont think its that hes failing
>Lists a bunch of ad hominems he saw on CNN
M8, there is a strategy to Trump's Twitter shitposting which is meant to discredit people the 4th estate and people like you. I thought you knew not to take the b8.

>>739384826
5 stages of libtardism
>1 Russians hacked the election
>2 okay Russians didn't hack the
elections, but wikileaks is a Russian organization
>3 Okay wikileaks is fine , but drumpf is a Russian secret agent just see this dossier
>4.Alright that dossier was fake, but let's see what James Come has to say
>5. What come said doesn't matter because blah blah blah, he is in on it too.
>6. Okay Donald Trump's isn't a Russian shill, but his son is for meeting with a Russian lawyer. IMPEACH NOW

>>739385113
*6 stages , I added a whole new stage just for you sweetie.

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>>739385113
>IMPEACH NOW
well you got that bit right anyway

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I'm a twat

>>739385859
>Time magazine
Caught red handed doing literally nothing that somehow proves that Drumpf us a Russian shill, the Russians hacked the election, AND there has been a Russian coup within the US government.

You're crazy.

You're nuts

>>739385113
Stage of Liberalism
1. Make claims that: The GOP is incompetent and doesn't care about average Americans, The Trump campaign colluded with Russia to impact the election, Trump is unfit for office.
2. Wait
3. Be proven correct on all counts
4. Watch Conservatives deny reality

>>739386722
>Be proven correct on all counts
>Dossier was fake,
>head of CIA disagreed with you under oath
>a producer from CNN admitted it was bullshit,
>the DNC retracted the Cyber investigation into who hacked it because the report that it came from Russia was wrong,
What world do you live in?

>>739383960

>Republicans have no control over their own party, the Senate, the House

No control in what fucking sense? They have all 3 branches of government.

>>739386910
>The GOP is incompetent and doesn't care about average Americans, The Trump campaign colluded with Russia to impact the election, Trump is unfit for office
Yes, all three of those statements are correct.

>>739387175
The Republicans are not a cohesive party anymore, so saying that Republicans have control over anything is ridiculous. At this point ,it's just the old guard from the bush era vs the new guard being spurred on by Trump. The same problem was forming within the Democratic party, as we saw with Bernie.

>>739387314
>Implying that Democrats are competent and care about average American
>Implying that Russian collusion actually happened in the face of all the other shit that turned out to be fake , the only evidence of any collusion being the Russians bringing evidence to the Trump campaign of Hillary taking bribes from Russia
>Implying Trump is unfit for office at all
Sad! Goes in all fields. So instead of attacking anything Trump wants policy wise you just focus on bullshit claims from the 4th estate. Wow.

>>739387316

Technically the problem is not so much control as a complete lack of cohesion. It's multiple factions barely held together. They only can agree on opposing the Democrats, but that's about it.

>>739387314
If there was a link to hard evidence instead of speculation i would be open to checking it out

>>739383960
Your party has squandered it opportunities despite holding a monopoly on power because the president has gone out of his way to be a divisive, polarizing entity in politics.

Welcome to actual politics, not LARP fantasies. This is how things work. Everyone with any understanding of the way government operates knew this was in the mail.

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>>739384358
Let me guess, he's not retarded he's actually playing 4d chess?

>>739383960
>What can he even do when the old guard tries to sabotage the new?
Start a war and declare martial law.

>>739387812

Not helped by the fact the GOP simply has no idea what it wants to be.

Trump actually added even more factions to the existing mess.

>>739387796
Have you completely ignored the news for the last 6 months? The GOP Healthcare fiasco?Donald Trump Jr's meeting with Russian interests?

>>739387893
>Riling up hysteria is 4d chess
It's basic bitch politics. Make your opponents look ridiculous by provoking ridiculous responses from them. It was his entire goddam strategy during the primaries and election
>I'm going to go up there, say some outrageous stuff outside of the overton window , and then the media will do nothing but talk about me 24/7
How have you still not figured that out. That's not 4d chess, that's basic arithmetic.

>>739387812
>Your party has squandered it opportunities despite holding a monopoly on power because the president has gone out of his way to be a divisive, polarizing entity in politics.
>Gone out of his way to be devisive in itself
No he came in to reform the party that desperately needed to be reformed. The neocons are just as bad as the Democrats.

>>739383960
Republicans desperately want to fuck people out of healthcare, but rely on those people they want to fuck for votes

It's a devil and the deep blue sea situation

It's not a binary system, though it is common knowledge that politicians are corrupt. Any president would have problems cleaning that up. Most see him as a figurehead or focal point for their frustration and anger at the system.

>>739387893
>Posting Facebook images on 4chan
This really is the most newfag board on 4chan. Not even /tv/ does this...

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>>739388035

"Do we like Russia or hate it? Do we support tax cuts for the rich or oppose them? Do we support Medicaid expansion or oppose it? Do we support NATO or oppose it? Do we support isolationism or intervention? Is the deficit important? Is a balanced budget important? Should we cater to our white base or try to pick up more minority support? Do we have enough issues to disagree on already, or is that not enough?"

>>739384358
Ad hominem is an assault of character. That he promised things, didn't do them, and then points fingers as described by that other user is simply true, recorded, accessible information

You must have been total shit in debate club

>>739388554
>sound like a dumbass
>display the emotional maturity of a middle schooler.
>These are not ad hominems
M8...these are attacks on character

>>739388349
Kentucky is the most amazing state for this. Obamacare cut the uninsured rate by a massive amount of people.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2014/03/31/kentucky-urges-kynect-sign-ups-deadline-nears/7116229/

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/18/537948591/kentucky-residents-express-dissatisfaction-with-gop-efforts-to-dismantle-obamaca

Yet their Senators are Mitch McConnell who wants repeal and replace, and Rand Paul who wants a hard repeal. Do they just hate their constituency?

Can I blame unrelated third parties when I get caught in lies also?

Wife: you came in awfully late last night. I saw your messages on your phone...
Me: yeah well OBAMA HAD 8 YEARS OF KENYAN MUSLIM

>>739388725
>Cut uninsured rate
>Actual rates become more expensive because of this
>Why are people upset like nigga how is money even real just close your eyes
Wew

>>739387796
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-timeline-surrounding-donald-trump-jr-s-meeting-with-the-russian-lawyer/

>>739388725
Nah man, these guys are smart. They realize that those hill jacks are literally so fucking stupid that they wouldn't even know whether something benefits them or not.

>>739387316
Thats highly possible.

>>739383960
You realize you're making excuses for the most powerful man in the free world? The guys a white supremacist loser who beat his wife

>>739388997
>The guys a white supremacist loser who beat his wife
>>>/s4s/

>>739384358
>using Ad hominems this incorrectly

He could start by not constantly shooting himself in the foot

He's really good at using twitter as a diversion, but he sucks at using it to actually accomplish anything.

He squandered his first 6 months and now republicans are going to start ducking for cover in 2018

>>739388363
I think many Americans think the president is more like a king rather than understand the legislative system.

>>739387175
It's comical, Hahahaha. Who knew it could be so hard to? what if democrats controlled congress with 3/4 majority. Hahaha

>>739389048
Those we're all assaults on character not on the position Trump maintains. Seriously, that is quintessential argumentum ad hominem

>>739388854
Insurance costs would climb regardless and would be worse without the ACA https://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-key-numbers-from-the-obamacare-repeal-bills-cbo-analysis-211511567.html.

The subsidies offered under Obamacare work to offset out of pocket costs. That's how the law works.

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>>739389176
>what if democrats controlled congress with 3/4 majority
First of all
>Implying Republicans have 3/4 majority
Second of all, neither the Democrats or the Republicans are cohesive entities anymore.

>>739389302
Nigger I don't know what to keep telling your morons, ad hominems are an assault on character rather than points being made. That is all that post did, attack character.

>>739389394

Democrats are at least capable of picking what they view as the "least bad" option.

The republican party allowed itself to be coopted by the Palin/Cruz "we're mad as hell and we aren't gonna take it anymore" tea party nut jobs that got into congress and refuse to do anything if the party doesn't agree to let corporations own slaves and deregulate everything

>>739389541
like Obama care. phht

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>>739388871
> compelling evidence = buying weed from russians
> happened wayyyy after the election
> relevance...... none

>>739389196
what he said were not attacks on his character but correct observations of how trumps term is going
Complains about swamp he claimed to drain
jumps on twitter whenever he is upset
Isnt fuffilling promises

Ill give you that last one tho no president does that

>>739389291
>Insurance costs would climb regardless
No, fundamentally that is wrong.
>Yahoo finance says it decreases out of pocket costs
Then it must be true. Also your link is dead, might want to update your pasta

>>739389541

The Freedom Caucus loves to hold the rest of the GOP hostage for 100 billion dollars.

>>739383960
Congress's*

It's only an apostrophe at the end if the noun is plural.

>>739389599

Is that why it keeps standing while Trumpcare plans keep collapsing, lol?

>>739389624
Now you're just trolling.

>>739383960
Lame duck 200 days into his presidency? Wow.

>>739389655
>No, fundamentally that is wrong.
Prove it.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/5-key-numbers-from-the-obamacare-repeal-bills-cbo-analysis-211511567.html

>>739389683

Now they'll stop making the gov't subsidy payments to insurance companies for obamacare, let it fail, and see how that plays with voters. I think it may backfire, largely because a lot of poor, white uneducated voters (republicans) depend on medicare/caid and the ACA for healthcare. Trump rocketed to the presidency on blind rage and some latent racism, now he has to actually do something and he sucks at that

>>739389636
>Its that he made such grandiose promises about how amazing he was then goes on to sound like a dumbass talking about ho hars everything is for him
Character
>Then flip flopping and talking about how amazing he is.
Character
>Plus no matter how smart he may be he continues to display the emotional maturity of a middle schooler.
Character
>And he did promise to drain the swamp, put checks on congress and al that shit and now wants to blame the swamp he saidnhe could fix for not being able to accomplish what he promises.
Part analysis part ad hominem with the given context.

Although to be fair he did answer my question, the main reason people blame Trump for the failure of the GOP is because they can only think in terms of a Carlyle esque manner and in terms of ad hominem.

>>739389698
The plural of Congress is Congress.
When people refer to Congress they're refereeing to the House and Senate, which are two congress.

>>739389394
I agree with this faggot. Democrat and Republican are blanket terms now that describe a loosely affiliated group of factions with similar fundamental ideals

>>739389928
Prove your position first, you gave me a dead link before and are making groundless assertions. This new link essentially reveals exactly what people were afraid of with partially socialized medical care, if the bureaucracy proves to be nuisances and it begins to increase the rates , removing it would cause massive hikes in premium costs that will last for decades.

>>739390185
>Bitching about a link
>couldn't remove a period

>>739383960
The republicunts control the House, the Senate and even the White House. If they are incompetent just like their president, it's 100% their fault, but that gives a good part of responsability t the orange retard, who did nothing to promote and enlarge the support for this atrocious bill.
Mr Art of the Deal, who's actually too incompetent to make any kind of deal with anyone (NAFTA, Paris agreement, TPP) and hasn't been able to pass any kind of major legislation since he's in office despite his party controlling Congress.

trumpanzees will still defend this retard no matter what, and it's a shame trumpcare didn't pass, I wanted to see thousands of trump voters die

>>739389759
Tell me then. If the lawyer promised info on clinton, how did this hurt the elections?

Everyone who voted against her had their minds made up long beforethe election results came in. This was not because russians were making her look bad or hacking, this was because if you or i were asking to hand over private emails by the government and refused we would be classified as criminals and thrown into court turmoil.

Meanwhile, trump gets accused of raping the minds of pillow fucking dykes across the globe.

Post evidence you troglabite

>>739390385
Nigger lurk on the thread more before you post. We've been over this several times already.
>Neither the Republicans or Democrats are cohesive political entities that have uniform control and party loyalty
We are experiencing what's known as a "paradigm" shift in both parties where they are have internal conflicts over the future of their parties.

>>739390185
>complains about sources
>hasn't provided a single source to defend their own position
Try harder

>>739390385

He can't pass major legislation because he doesn't have any ideas. He's all bluster and no substance. I'm not sure he actually believes in anything. Luckily, he has Bannon to tell him what he should believe in. And he's got his own Dick Cheney in Pence. I'm pretty sure they hand Trump a copy of mad magazine and then go talk to Pence about the real issues

>>739390544
>Tell me then. If the lawyer promised info on clinton, how did this hurt the elections?
How does working with a hostile foreign power hurt American elections?*
Fixed that for you

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>>739386240
>Time magazine
Fake news!
Why buy your shit from them when you can get it straight from the horse's ass?

>>739390645
>A single source for what has been the knee jerk argument against Obamacare since it was being put forward
>I need a source for one of the main talking points of any conservative pundit since Obamacare became a term
Wut, come on this can't really be the first time you've seen this argument about "muh statism" right? I mean if you want s source on the argument check your own link, they say it in their ffs

>>739384358
Trump is retard. Always knew he was full of shit. I'm backing the dem next election. He's got to go, went back on all his promises.

Hired all Jews from Wallstreet and isn't doing shit about china fucking us.

>>739390837
But getting Time Magazine IS buying things straight from the horses ass. It's their main selling point, how dare you attack their business strategy, sir.

>>739383960
Because he has been a lazy and idiotic President so far. The so-called deal maker can't even pull off a deal within his own party.

Besides, as President he is seen as the de facto leader of the party (same way Obama was. The buck stops with him. And the buck is covered in shit and AIDS.

>>739387645
In the United Snakes, compassion flows only one way.

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>>739383960

Because Conservatives are idiots.

>>739390817
Ok. Thanks. Im still waiting.
Hey maybe you can cover hillary on the benghazi incident too.

She steps up and takes all blame for the incident. Then later claims there is no reason for blame and responsibility.

Oh shit must have been russians they must have forced her to say that but were stupid to think anything would happen.

>>739390850
>Hasn't done shut with China fucking us over
The pressure he put on North Korea has forced China to buy more coal and rare metals from the US, and by refusing to cooperate with the Paris Agreement he has opened up the US to have firms move to the US.
>Trump isn't anti semitic
Oh gee what gave that away

>>739383960
Exactly. Most of Congress belong in prison-or better yet at the end of a rope

Can we get back to a President that can actually speak into a microphone? Are we really hearing from the President through Twitter? What is he afraid of? Opening his own mouth?

If this is normal, I'm living on a different planet.

>>739390954

He's probably going to have a heart attack in office anyway. He's the oldest incoming president. Then Pence can run in '20 and he'll probably win too.

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>>739391178
I don't see a problem with him communicating through social media. Fuck the media. Fox included.

>>739386240
>doing literally nothing that somehow proves that Drumpf us a Russian shill

not quite

The meeting proves that the Trump team were in contact with the Russian government prior to the election

They then proceeded to deny and lie about this contact

We are not saying that Trump is a russian shill. We are just saying that the Trump team has been lying about their Contacts witht he russian governemnt

something Kushner boy can go to jail for, which should be good news for Bannon's true believers out there

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>>739391358

Nah. I'm gonna be watching CNN, ABC, BBC, NPR, etc in 30 years.

Fuck Donald Fucking Trump.

>>739391358

The issue is that he doesn't accomplish anything useful by using twitter. He just pisses off republicans and democrats and calls TV hosts ugly

>>739391391
>The meeting proves that the Trump team were in contact with the Russian government prior to the election
No? This women actually worked with the DNC so if she was a literal representative of Russia the Democrats would be in very deep shit. Obama also approved her immigration into the US with minimal background checks.

There is something that the government isn't telling us about this woman, that's plainly obvious, but the narrative the 4th estate has been running with (and is still pushing) is that Donald Trump needs to be impeached for collusion with Russians, which is still an unfounded claim.

>>739383960
trump mentality
if its good, I did it
if its bad, he did it
/thread

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Let's just all agree to hustle Trump out of the White House ASAP and get back to normal governance in the US. This last gasp of the Republican Party needs to be put away out of sight. They are clearly no longer viable as leaders.

>>739391160
So, let me get this straight...your defense for the Trump campaign working with a hostile foreign nation is that it wouldn't affect any voters?

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>>739390654
Mad magazine is too complex. They probably just play him Fox and Friends on continuous loops. On three ginormous plasma screens.

>>739383960
I love how there are people arguing against the notion of the Russians trying to influence the election when there is an actual russian spambot flooding the thread with grannies everytime Trump gets mentioned by the OP

I mean, are people really this blind or is every trump supporter a paid fucking shill at this Point?

>>739390654
>Trump is the same as Bush
No
>Trump has done nothing with his presidency because I don't pay attention to the news beyond muh Russia
No

>>739391771

The VAST majority of people come in two flavors: Ugly and Stupid. And a lot of times both.

The stupid came out in force for Trump last year. That's what 40 years of Fox News horseshut rightwing propaganda can do to a Republic.

>>739391771
Nigger, the reason the bot is here is so that /b/ doesn't become /pol/ 2.0. We have /bant/ for a reason. Why would a Trump supporter try to derail any discussion about Trump when it turns in the favor of Trump?

>>739391891

Pence is to Trump what Cheney was to bush. The president is the sizzle, the VP is the steak. Pence is has beliefs (however misguided they may be), Trump believes whatever he happens to believe on that day.

Trump hasn't done anything with his presidency because he doesn't have any useful ideas or any comprehension of how things actually get done in washington