This is disgusting, if you ever had an abortion you're worst

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>>739270568

>>739270568
Very lazy bait. You're not even trying anymore, are you?

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>>739270568

I've just checked. Your troll level is weak.

>>739270568
Being this autistic :')

>>739270568
I knew a christian girl
she couldn't have an abortion bc it was a small town and her parents would find out
instead she self-induced a miscarriage

its a womans body
she does not even have to tell you she is prego
and make abortion illegal won't stop them from doing what they want
they will just self-induce a miscarriage

its literally a fact that it is a woman's choice
not a debate

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>>739270568
saged

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>>739270568
No.
Abortion is period murder.

you do know where you are right?

I'm a man, so I've never had an abortion.

I am not pro choice
I am not pro life
I'm pro death.

There are too many babies, lets start culling.

VOTE yes for 4th trimester law!

>>739270568
sory op, mom should have aborted you.

you useless cumstain...

>>739270568
People who actively try to control others bodies and freedoms should be treated the same as an armed intruder.

>>739270568
>Abortion is murder
Everyone knows that, some people just think it is OK

>>739270750
>its a womans body
What about the baby?
>make abortion illegal won't stop them from doing what they want
Great! Then you won't care if we make abortion illegal!
>its literally a fact that it is a woman's choice
It is literally a fact that it is a serial killer's choice. Not a debate.
Trouble is, the fact that a woman chooses to kill her own helpless offspring *doesn't make it acceptable*

>>739271363
So it is OK to kill abortionists, then?

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Guess who also hated abortion.

>>739271530
it seems you dont understand anon

the woman gets to decide if it is murder or not
you dont

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>>739271754
>A woman gets to decide if it is murder
Why? because she's a chick? Does a vagina give you magical legal powers?
OOOOH! I get it - you think that because women get pregnant they can magically decide murder isn't murder if they want to kill their own kids.
Too bad, that's wrong. This 'her body her choice' bullshit is a meaningless phrase meant to confuse the stupid. It is obviously working.

>>739272011
Shit, OP, your mother should have aborted you.

>>739270568
sage

>>739272136
1) I am not OP
2) that was very original; Communications major, right?

>>739272011

I just explain to you why it is not meaningless

there is literally nothing you can do about it

again the woman does not have to tell you when she decides

your opinion about the matter is irrelevant

>>739270568
The solution to people getting abortions is really easy: provide financial incentive for people having children.

Oh, what's that? You don't want to financially support people who have children?

Then allow for easy access to abortion.

>>739270568
for the record this is an opinion not morales

having an opinion about what someone else ought to do does not make you moral

they only pro-lifers that deserve any respect for being moral are those that actually adopt unwanted children
well at least the ones that adopt and dont molest and abuse

>>739270956

Fourth trimester, may as well allow fifth and sixth trimester too

>>739272246
>there is literally nothing you can do about it
It was illegal everywhere in the world until not too long ago; if "nothing can be done about it" then why do pro-abortion groups raise and spend tens of millions of dollars to keep it legal? I'll tell you why - because you can make it illegal and you can essentially prevent it from happening. Ask the nations where it *is* illegal, genius.
>again the woman does not have to tell you when she decides
Your weird concept that a woman can just murder someone is almost as weird as your idea that no one knows she does it. You do know that abortion requires doctors and such, right, genius?

>>739271530
Yeah because being brought up by parents that don't want you is such a privilege. When they get aborted they don't even know they are alive. Stop stinking your nigger nose in other people's business

>>739272252
>"You either have a complete welfare state or abortion, that's the only options!"
False dichotomy is false.

>>739270568
>posting this to 4chan

>>739272717
No no no no. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Drugs are illegal and plenty of people still get them. They want it legal because they don't want coat hanger abortions and unsafe shit like that.

>>739272717
yeah good luck trying to prove a miscarriage happened on purpose

that is if you even find out the woman was prego in the first place

of course you want to waste tax dollars with such crap

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>>739272411
>for the record this is an opinion not morales
What does this have to do with a Cuban batter?
>having an opinion about what someone else ought to do does not make you moral
But it is, by definition, a discussion of morals
>they only pro-lifers that deserve any respect for being moral are those that actually adopt unwanted children
Pro-life organizations are the largest providers of:
Free medical care
Free education
Free orphanages
Free job training
Free clothing
Food assistance
Water assistance
Adoption assistance and adoption
on the planet, pal. The fact you don't know that speaks volumes.

>>739270568
Only reason you're still alive is because your parents agreed

Damn shame, that. You're the posterchild for why abortion should be legal

>>739272719
>Yeah because being brought up by parents that don't want you is such a privilege.
Compared to being ripped apart and dying?
Yeah. It is.
> When they get aborted they don't even know they are alive
I'll kill you in your sleep, then. m'kay?
>Stop stinking your nigger nose in other people's business
I bet you're one of those morons that wants to outlaw cars because of global warming, or want to do other things for 'peoples' own good' but draw the line at preventing murder. Right?
Right

More abortions = smarter, richer children who are less likely to commit violent crime.

Abortion is great, i personally had women abort 3 of my unborn children - some of the smartest decisions i have ever made in my life.

>>739270568
theres no such thing as unborn baby
abortion is the best

>>739272970
>Pro-life organizations are the largest providers of:
Sources please.

>>739270568
too bad nobody aborted you.

>>739271663
They also ate food and used air to breathe, any more?

i'm glad my mom was anti abortion, or i wouldn't be born

>>739272819
>Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen
It makes it much rarer. And fucking illegal.
I don't want it illegal because I want to inconvenience people, I want it illegal because it is FUCKING MURDER.
Let me repeat this, since you keep coming back to 'it'll still happen, LOL' is if that matters
Rape still happens, but it is illegal BECAUsE IT IS WRONG.
Theft still happens, but it is illegal BECAUSE IT IS WRONG.
I want abortion illegal BECAUSE IT IS WRONG

>>739273280
Too bad you didn't end up in your moms mouth

Fetuses are huge fags and deserve to die, gogogo abortion

>>739270568
"You're worst than..." who aborted your education?

>>739270750
as long as there is two people to make a baby, NO she doesn't have all right on her body,she has a 33% share, she has to bear the weight of that responsability, it sucks but that's how life is.

>>739273302
Those aren't beliefs.

>>739273322
But it isnt murder. Fetuses are not people.

>>739273322
anon is still confused

your is an opinion that does not matter

you are not the one that gets to decide if abortion is murder or not

>>739270750
It's a woman's choice to not spread her legs without a providing and supportive partner.

Your "Christian" girl wasn't so Christian I take it.

>>739273386
>no argument against
>lets spell check

Nice try F A G G O T

>>739273322
You say murder but the thing isn't even born yet. Who says it is wrong? You? Who made you the arbiter of what is right and wrong? You think it is noble to force parents to have kids that don't want them? So when these unwanted kids get abused all their lives or passed around to people who don't want them until they are 18 I guess you can feel pleased that you fought for them to grow up in a shitty life.

Fuck. I was going to comment on this thread but then I saw that everybody already made every single point to this fucker that I was.
>Returns back to cave

>>739273407
I wonder when feminists will decide that nature is sexist, i'm surprised it didn't happen yet

>>739270568
"Unborn baby"

Your lack of knowledge when it comes to basic biology makes it quite easy for me to entirely disregard your opinion.

>>739273540
God gave us free will. I forced 4 different bitches to abort, as God enabled us to do.

Also, that's not a spelling error, it's you using the wrong word ya goon.

Also also, don't know why I'm bothering, obvious troll as nobody on b would be anti-abortion.

>>739273407
the fetus is not a child it is a part of the womans body

>>739273629
You have never watched an abortion videos have you?

I dare any faggot here who supports abortion, to watch an abortion video and then stand by their point.

>>739270568
I guess. But it should still be legal.

>>739272547
That was the joke you fucking idiot. You're fucking retarded.

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>>739271530
>>739273702

The state can't force you to make any sacrifice of your bodily sovereignty even if it saves someone's life. That's why the government can't force you to donate blood even though it would 100% save lives and have no long term effect on the donator.

Abortion will always be legal in free, civilized societies.
You literally can't win.

>>739270568
Well the way I see it abortion is the most effective tool in preventing crime. Crimes can't be committed if the criminal does not exist. So I'm for abortion especially in low income areas.

>>739273672
I could care less that (you) "forced" anyone to abort, they are murderers on my eyes, less than scum.

>>739272993
>wants to kill even people who disagree with him
Top fucking kek. Why are you even you you stupid kike
Why don't you do the planet a favor and kys since you're so damn fond of it.

>>739273199
>Sources
Fucking really?
Read a fucking book
Politifact analyzed the results and concluded that that just the Catholic Church (which is really outnumbered by Protestant pro-life groups) provides 25% of *all* charity inside the US!
Between the Salvation Army, Food for the Foor, World Vision, Samaritan's Purse, etc. pro-life Christian groups are the largest providers of the things listed earlier in the world.
Inside the US about 95% of ALL orphanages are run by pro-life groups

>>739273839
You miss the point, I'm not trying or even hinting at abortion's legality. I'm saying you're worse than. Serial killer for having one done, period.

>>739273386
Dudewheresyourargument.jpg

>>739273147
>"I have removed my genetics from the survival of the fittest, trading evolutionary success for short-term pleasure"
>"I made smart decisions"
Pick one, genius.

>>739273466
yeah
she was totally against abortion

but no way was she going to ruin her life at 16

can't say that I blame her

anyway that is why im not pro life anymore

bc I am smart enough to realize my opinion on the matter is irrelevant and there is no way to enforce such laws
it would be a waste of time and taxes
all just so some people could comfort themselves that they are morally superior

>>739273962
>Serial killer for having one done,
>Serial
>one

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>>739270568
It funny because most people on this forum doesn't really seem to have problem with murder, unless of course we're taking about scraping somthing out of a vagina.. that's terrible!
See ya'll in a rekt thread!

>>739272993
First of all, abortion was illegal during my moms pregnancy.

Second, my mother married my father and wanted kids.

Your point: invalid, good to see faggots like you advocating for murder though

>>739273700
it's like saying a pie is not a pie if it's not cooked yet

>>739270568
The world population is growing too fast, more people should have abortions. OP somehow survived being aborted and its clearly fucked up their brain.

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>>739274045
You seem upset, did i strike a nerve?

>>739273437
>'people'
It is, by scientific definition, a living human.
Merriam Webster
>'Person - an individual human being'
>'People - humans in general'
So - yeah, it is a person and multiple are people

>>739273424
Are you trying to imply nazis had 0 positive beliefs?
Look you can share your opinion all you like, but you make it clear you don't know jack shit. Don't throw around buzz words and expect to make a diff you pedantic faggot.

>>739270707
Is that Magnus the red?

>>739273466
>you are not the one that gets to decide if abortion is murder or not
No one gets to decide, fuckwit.
Killing an innocent human is murder.
Period.
Abortion is murder. Not my opinion - that is a fact.

>>739273466
>doesn't into democracy

>>739274208
>Democracy is all of the sudden the deciding factor whether something is morally wrong or good.

Do you even comprehend?

>>739270568
Do you remember being a fetus?
No?
>case closed

>>739274132
My gf has had 2 abortions and it was the best decision of our lives. If she gets pregnant again we will have a third abortion.

You should try having an abortion before you judge it. You might like it.

>>739274135
no its not
it is a part of someones body that cant survive without that person

here is how we know prolifers are full of bs

suppose we offered you the opprotunity to have the fetus transplanted so that it survives off of your body

would you agree?

most prolifers say no

then they whine that they did not have the sex so they should not be responsible

proof that they are just opinionated about what some one else ought to do and are not willing to actually be pro life

>>739273555
>Who says it is wrong?
Is purposefully killing a human who has committed no capital crime wrong?
Yes.
That is just true. Not my opinion, that is the opinion of essentially everyone.
An unborn kid is a living human who has committed no crime. Killing that child is wrong.
The end.
>You think it is noble to force parents to have kids that don't want them?
No, I think 'I don;'t want her' is NOT justification for murder.
All of you
>"Oh, boo-hoo, some child somewhere might have a shitty life, so let's just murder them"
isn't reasoning, it is bullshit emotional manipulation on par with a 3 year old.

>>739270568
Abortion is.... Rather practical (considering damn near 8 billion people on the planet)

>>739274284
Do you remember being alive when you go to sleep every night? What about people being in a coma? Do they not apply also?

No, you might as well be dead then

>>739274019
This. At least his evil is a problem that sorts itself out.

>>739274019
>trading evolutionary success for short-term pleasure
autism: the post

>>739273700
>it is a part of the womans body
No, it isn't

>>739270568
You seem upset.

>>739274293
I don't own a cunt, if I get a girl pregnant I'm having the kid cause I'm not a murderer enabler

>>739274182
you dumbass you dont get to decide if it is murder

that is just your opinion that it is but it is not your choice to make

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You niggers realize that no one gave a fuck about abortion until the right wingers in the US decided that it would be a great lightning rod for their platform to attract the numbfuck fundamentalist Christian base. They manufactured some outrage for you and you've consumed it for over 30 years.
Kind of like the present "outrage" over immigration in the US. marketing isn't just for products anymore.

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>>739274182
100% this.

>>739273629
>Your lack of knowledge when it comes to basic biology
OK, blastocyst?
Zygote?
Fetus?
All are stages of human life, just like 'toddler' or 'teenager'.
'Baby' is a generic term from a very young human, so it can easily apply to a fetus as well as a toddler.
You aren't nearly as clever as you think you are, kohai

>>739274433
>not wanting to murder your own flesh and blood is being Christian

I bet you don't know the Democratic Party used to be in bed with the KKK

>>739274358
No but it still applies, if it wasn't concious then it didn't feel or know anything about anything yet, who cares about an aborted fetus? If you want to preach for life go help out starving kids who are actually concious and stop trying to be the white knight for something that'll never recognise your existence.

>>739270568
I'm glad I live in a first world country.

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>>739274272
Stay on topic if you want a real reply.

>>739274519
And the GOP has had deep ties to the John Birch Society. Why the deflection?

>>739274538
Grow some brains to enter an actual argument

>>739274614
You're making this a party A vs party B, I never implied any political association

>>739274334
wrong
it is your opinion

and it is irrelevant
bc it is not your body you literally dont get to decide if it is the murder of a person or not

the fetus is not a part of your body
that is the real fact that you dont seem to grasp

>>739273839
>The state can't force you to make any sacrifice of your bodily sovereignty even if it saves someone's life
Bullshit.
I'll give you 2 obvious reasons you're a fucking moron.
1) Ever hear of medical quarantine? Life imprisonment? Mandatory DNA submission? Mandatory blood, semen, stool, and urine submission?
All perfectly legal all over the civilized world.
2) You are ignoring the "bodily sovereignty" of *the person being killed*.
Your bullshit lolbertarian sub-literate statement on 'bodily sovereignty' is a shitty cover for the fact that what you are REALLY saying is
>"I am totally fine with murdering one human for another because I consider the murdered one to be of lesser value"

>>739274535
Amerifats don't realize they're teetering on the brink of a slippery slope that could, if Pencefags have their way, turn us into a """Christian""" sharia state.
It'll never happen, though.

>>739274658
I was just giving some background on when the issue became relevant. Pre-late 70s no one gave a shit on the scale they do now. That's all.

>>739274520
Mint it be conscious but it does feel

>4 WEEKS FROM FERTILIZATION (6 WEEKS LMP)4
A month after fertilization, brain development rapidly speeds up. In just two days time (between day 31 and 33), the brain's size increases by 25 percent. It is estimated that during the course of prenatal development an average of one million neurons (impulse-conducting cells that make up the nervous system) are produced every minute. Hand formation begins around day 31. Two days later, the feet begin taking shape, the retina of the eyes gain pigment, and the nose starts to elevate.

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>>739274128
>The world population is growing too fast
Fuck: how many people still believe this shitty meme?!

>>739274778
?
>Being this retarded

>>739274699
I'd rather have regular fucking sharia, which fortunately if you keep letting in towel niggers YOU will soon have

>>739274841
Funny you bring that up, I'm against refugee immigration.

>>739274841
>Another case of manufactured hysteria.
Don't let your emotions get the best of you, friendo. I doubt you're a brainlet, so stop sounding like one.

>>739274692
>murdering one human

Unborn fetus isn't a person. It deserves no more rights than a human appendix does.

But even if a fetus were a person, it would still be okay to kill it because the state has no right to violate your bodily sovereignty.

You can't win this morally or legally but if you want to keep wasting your time on the issue, that's your choice.

Shit, I wish I was aborted.

>>739274887
It's their body their choice anon there's nothing you can do
This is your argument applied to immigration.

>Mexico-US for sauce on border patrol being largely irrelevant.

>>739274293
>My gf has had 2 abortions and it was the best decision of our lives
Translation
>"We are irresponsible morons who consider murdering our own children okey-dokey"

>>739274991
Spics don't suicide bomb or truck people down. Plus tacos are awesome

>>739274692
lets turn that around

suppose the state forced prolifers to get a fetus transplant if they claimed to be prolife

would you agree?

if you say no you are not prolife you are opinionated and think someone else ought to be prolife
even while you yourself are not willing to accept and care for the fetus and the child it will become

be honest with yourself at least
you want someone else to accept a responsibility you are not willing to accept

>>739274920
>buzzword
Look I can have discourse on the same level as you.

>>739274329
>it is a part of someones body
False
>that cant survive without that person
A temporary situation. Just like being on life support during a medical procedure. Needing assistance doesn't make you not-a-human, moron.
>most prolifers say no
Prove it, you lying fuck

>>739274931
Your logic is flawed. An appendix will not become a human being in 9 months, a fetus will. Are you even trying?

>>739275031
My wife had an abortion because we don't want kids. Fuck off. You're just butt blasted because you know you'll never cum inside a 4/10, let alone a 10/10.

>>739274413
>that is just your opinion
Want to know how smart this guy is?
He just stated
>'Killing an innocent human is murder' is just your opinion
Yeah. he did.
OK, fuckwit - do you think killing an innocent person is moral?

>>739275031
Have you or your partner had an abortion?
Don't knock it till you've tried it. There's a reason why most women who have an abortion end up having multiple abortions. If abortion were such a bad thing, there wouldn't be so many repeat customers.

>>739275104
But it is a part that grows INSIDE of a persons body. Therefore that person should have the right to decide if they want it or not inside of them.

>>739271663
They where known to he pro abortion.
Remember the abortion chamber?

>>739275104
Why do conservatives act so concerned about a human fetus but by the time it's born they all turn their backs on them and shame the mother for having a baby when she clearly was in no economic standing to take care of said baby.

>>739274433
>You niggers realize that no one gave a fuck about abortion until the right wingers in the US decided that it would be a great lightning rod for their platform to attract the numbfuck fundamentalist Christian base
translation
>"I never even TOOK college level American history, let alone failed it!"

>>739275104
just admit it anon

you are only opinionated about how other should be pro life

you dont actually do anything moral except hold an opinion about others ought to do

in that case I am moral too
bc I think you ought to be forced to adopt children before you can claim you are prolife

and I think pro lifers ought to have to have unwanted fetuses transplanted to them

if having an opinion about what others should have to do is moral than I am just as moral as any pro lifer from having these opinions that I have

>>739275099
You don't see how the same tactic is used for a variety of political/"moral" stances?
1. Take political non-issue
2. Launch sensationalist propaganda to create maximum level of mad
3. ????
4. Profit

There. No buzzwords used

>>739274520
>who cares about an aborted fetus?
People with actual morals

>>739275237
dumbass you dont get to decide if it is a person or not

>>739275031
isn't a child, it's still a fetus.
Let me put it to you this way.
When a sperm and the egg meets, if the woman does not want to get pregnant she will take Progesterone pills.

>basically abortion
>not child
>nor fetus
even if it was, who cares?

>>739275243
That choice was when she took cock snot up her fucking cunt.
When she knowingly did a thing thats only actual purpose is the creation of life.
>it feels good so she should be able to do it w/o responsibility for the end results.
>so does rape, are you ok with rape you dumb cunt?

>>739274519
>Thinking the party demographics didn't switch in the 60s
When LBJ passed civil rights laws, many southern democrats switched to the Republican party and vice versa. But sure, we'll just assume they're the same exact party. I'm a Republican and even I know this.

>>739270568
This is not g8 b8 m8

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>mfw pro-lifers have no qualms about destroying flora and fauna on their planet
But for gods sake! The babby!

>>739275377
And consequently you don't have anything to say on the subject being discussed. Thanks for having a shred of honesty.

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>>739275147
>in 9 months

The day that the abortion is performed, the fetus isn't a person.

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>>739274614
John Birch Society -> GOP
>"Communism is bad"
KKK -> DNC
>"Let's murder a bunch of niggers, kikes, and papists!"
Easy to see why Democrats favor abortion - they've been murdering innocent people for hundreds of years!

>>739275406
>Morals
Oh please no-one cares about your morals on 4chan.

>>739275435
I think fapping should be made illegal. All those human lives dying in a crusty sock.
Also, women's periods should be illegal too.

>>739275449
>Top kek

>>739275565
Yes. And I'm all for it.

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>>739275512
g8 b8 m8
>gate bait mate

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Is this? Because it sure looks like a fucking person to me.

>>739275553
Nice picture, but you keep forgetting that all of those things are alive and their final mature form is that of their parents (except with the dress which is stupid to put up there).

>>739275435
So when does it become a person, in your opinion?

>>739275702
abortion is illegal at this stage in pregnancy
problem solved

next topic

>>739275702
Lol it does NOT look like that inside of a preggo.
>The autism is real in this one.

>>739274676
Seriously.
Catch this guy's idea of making a point
Anon
>Is purposefully killing a human who has committed no capital crime wrong?
>Yes.
This hyper-genius
>wrong
>it is your opinion
OK, super-genius, do you think killing an innocent human is good?
>the fetus is not a part of your body
A fetus is not "part of" *ANYONE'S* body, you biological illiterate.

>>739270568

So Im guessing you got a girl pregnant and instead of settling down with you and marrying to become good christian parents, she aborted it?

Was she beyond your reach for an actual relationship anon? Was the baby your only 'in' to a proper long-term relationship?

>>739275702
You can't get an abortion at this stage wtf

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>>739275807
>>739275778

Pic related, at 12 weeks, it looks like a human baby. Nice try though

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Maybe where you are but in Oregon it's allowed all 9 months. For any or no reason.
And this is what pro choicers lobby for.

>>739270568
Listen man. I've straight given up with this one.

Abortion is killing yes. I disagree with it heavily. Is it murder? Well murder is defined by people. I think it is, but half the country doesn't. So there's that. I'm not the arbiter of truth, so I don't get to define words to my every whim.

I think a lot of liberals have inconsistent beliefs when it comes to abortion. I.e. "All life is precious. Except for abortions"

Then again we have conservatives with "Death Penalty! The planet is ours to destroy God said so! Don't kill babies though!" Also inconsistent.

This is my opinion. Humans are trash dude. The fact that we legalize killing our offspring is just another thing to add to the list. Yeah there are some logical opinions, according to my morals, like curbing overpopulation to prevent us from extinction or "life sucks so we abort babies to prevent them from suffering in an unwanted household".

But it always comes down to "Its the woman's choice". Well in my opinion killing your offspring is a shitty choice, and it makes our species worse for it.

>>739275775
When it becomes concious of its surroundings, family, REAL morals, and "thoughts".

Basically when it sees the face of its mother, when its brain soaks in all the information of what's up around him/her; so when it's out at the 9th month.

>>739275861
>A fetus is not "part of" *ANYONE'S* body, you biological illiterate.

It's almost literally a parasite living inside the woman, in fact.
It's not murder to remove a tapeworm either.

ITT: autists who should have been aborted

>>739275937
no step on snek

>>739276014
this

>>739270568
My girlfriend just had a miscarriage from her IUD not being in the right place. Should she get charged with involuntary manslaughter?

>>739275861
anon
it is just your opinion that it is murder
its not a fact

and in the end the truth is you dont get to make the decision

its not your body

>>739274931
>Unborn fetus isn't a person
See here
>>739274135
'Person - an individual human'
'Fetus - an unborn human 8 or more weeks post conception'
Yeah, a fetus IS a person.
So - expand your vocabulary.
>But even if a fetus were a person, it would still be okay to kill it because the state has no right to violate your bodily sovereignty.
BULLSHIT!
You are ignoring that "the State" DOES have that right (as demonstrated) *and* you are STILL ignoring the 'bodily sovereignty' of the child.
>You can't win this
Of course I can;'t - in addition to making up bullshit make-believe concepts like 'bodily sovereignty' you are also ignoring the evidence that proves you are wrong. I can't win because you're a lying moron that doesn't know the definition of words.

>>739275979
It's not a parasite you retard. The biological movement of evolution dictates that. In fact a fetus is the fucking savior of humanity. If we didn't have them our species would die out in the next century. Fetuses are necessary for our survival. So the best thing to call them would actually be a symbiote. They get to live and we get to survive as a species.

>>739275710
>are alive and their final mature form

So is the appendix. Being alive =/ human

You literally can't win when the science is against you.

>>739275946
>When it becomes conscious of its surroundings.
So while it's still in the womb, and is responsive to external stimuli like sounds and vibrations?

>Family
So several weeks or months after birth, when it has become accustomed to the people around it?

>REAL morals
So after years of education and socialization?

>"thoughts"
So back to when it's in the womb, thinking about and responding to external stimuli?

>Basically... when it's out at the 9th month.
So if a woman wanted to off her kid the day before they induce delivery, that would be fine with you?

>>739276088
Fucking
>this
Thank you anon for putting my thoughts on screen for me. Fuck these pussy worshiping virgin idiots.

>>739275915
Notice the size?
its brain isn't even the size of my thumb.

Therefore it isn't concious.

>Looks like a human baby
Yeah no shit what form did you think it would take? a diglet? GTFO your autism is off the charts.

>>739276138
Can't have a debate with you, is your IQ below 80? Cause your ability to comprehend and form actual arguments is weak.

>>739276149
>So if a woman wanted to off her kid the day before they induce delivery, that would be fine with you?

Yes

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>>739275227
>My wife had an abortion because we don't want kids.
Translation
>"My wife and I murdered our own child because we're lazy, entitled fucks that care more about money than our own flesh and blood"
That is the blood of your own child on your hands.
Don't pretend you can lecture anyone about anything

>>739276193
Your brain isn't the size of a normal human, yet you live

>>739270568
Women get pregnant all the time without knowing, and the body usually aborts the blastula long before it could be considered life: that is, once a baby is born.

>>739276311
top kek b8 m8

>>739270568
One of my wife's coworkers had a miscarriage in the second trimester, and the procedure she needed to remove the dead fetus was technically an abortion. Since she was a government employee, she had to pay out of pocket because the government doesn't pay for abortions here.

So go fuck yourself, OP.

>>739276320
Ok, another argument?
I don't think so einstein

>>739276113

They're not a symbiote though.
Symbiosis would be 'both parties gain from this arrangement'.
Like those fish that clean shit off bigger fish.


Yes, we need to have children to propagate the species, but in real terms during pregnancy there is zero benefit to the mother.
It is not by any definition symbiotic.

The fetus effectively digs into the uterine wall and plunders nutrients from the mother's blood stream. She doesnt get anything in return for this - in fact, she gets bigger, heavier, slower, weaker, and her hormones are shot to hell.

In no way is it symbiotic.

>>739276311
actually its your fault for not adopting or accepting the fetus transplants

see I can arbitrarily decide someone is guilty too

>>739276311
This is what it actually amounts to

>>739276307
Holy shit man.

Maybe examine where your morals are at.

>>739275241
>Have you or your partner had an abortion?
Nope. I have a job and she has morals.
>There's a reason why most women who have an abortion end up having multiple abortions
Yup; they're whores that lack a moral compass. Like your "partner"
>If abortion were such a bad thing, there wouldn't be so many repeat customers.
"if heroin were were such a bad thing, there wouldn't be so many repeat customers"
"If crack were such a bad thing, there wouldn't be so many repeat customers"
"If rape were such a bad thing,rapists wouldn't keep doing it"
"If theft was such a bad thing robbers wouldn't keep doing it"
Yeah - you're an idiot

>>739276363
If you can't tell the difference between a failed pregnancy that needs medical attention and a procedure which kills an unborn baby, you're beyond saving

>>739276363
Yeah those are totally different things. I'm sorry your friend had to go through that, but it's not ops fault the government can't distinguish between two totally different things.

>>739270568
if we work together, we can get those numbers up

let's make 100% of women get abortions

>>739276404
Already discussed the being conscious or not, the fact is that you're killing a human being.

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>>739270568
If abortion is 'murder,' then male masturbation is genocide.

Accept as science dictates, the "child" is not human at this point it can't survive outside of the womb thus it is nothing more than a parasite.

>>739276433
Wrongo.
Fetuses will zerg rush stem cells to the Mother if she's injured

>>739275435
>isn't a child, it's still a fetus.
That is JUST LIKE saying
>"It isn't a child, it is a toddler"
or
>"It isn't a child, it is a teenager"
'Fetus' is a stage of development like 'infant' or 'senior'. 'Child' just means 'young human'
The rest of your post is about as retarded

Why the fuck should I pay for her medical expenses and her paycheck you fucking cunt? I can't afford my own health care, much less your straw man anecdotal make believe barren wombed govt friends.

>>739276567
wrong
a child can support its own metabolic functions with its own body

a fetus cannot

>>739275081
Considering the number of pro-lifers that adopt, obviously this would happen if it was the only way to save the child.
Asking that just proves how fucking stupid you are.

>>739276561
Not valid, the moment of conception is what's important here. With your logic, periods are genocide too

Does the OP consider it murder every time he busts a nut in his boyfriends mouth too?

>>739276572

There hasnt been anything to show that happens in humans - only mice.

>>739276088
>individual
Fetus isn't an individual -- both in the brute physical sense and in the more abstract "an individual is a unique mental being " sense.

You keep setting them up and I keep knocking them down.

>>739275702
At this stage it's not abortion, it's birth.

>>739275243
>But it is a part that grows INSIDE of a persons body.
Nope.
It is a human gestating inside its mother. not a 'part' like the liver; not a parasite or symbiote.
A human. Gestating.
>Therefore that person should have the right to decide if they want it or not inside of them.
That decision was made when she had sex.

>>739270568

Frankly OP, I think the world would be better off with less kids. Especially you.

>>739276684
Don't think so, your bleeding cunt every month would be murder too. Try again small brains

>>739274374
Have you ever aspired to be apart of anything bigger than yourself?

Except in states like Oregon, where 9 months abortions are condoned and celebrated.

>>739276275

I see you've run out of arguments so you've resorted to ad hominem.

Sad but predictable. There isn't much you can say when the science is so overwhelmingly against you.

>>739276524
>it's not ops fault the government can't distinguish between two totally different things
It is if he's a voter. Who do you think the government is appealing to when they make these ridiculous laws?

>>739270568
Abortion is a built in function of the reproductive system.

>>739275266
The Catholic Church alone (a pro-life group) provides about 25% of ALL charity *inside the US* [according to PolitiFact] and runs about 50% of all medical clinics and hospitals in the developing world.
Protestants do at least that much in the US and close in the developing world.
So - yeah, they help poor, single mothers and their children. All over the planet.
Stop making shit up

>>739276875
Bring up an acceptable argument an dill take your seriously. So far your arguments are those unwhiling or unable to understand the conversation.

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>>739276662
Does period blood contain microscopic organisms that, when combined with an egg, can produce human (or other animal) life?
>if (no) {
print ("It's not the same")
} else {
print ("Defend.")
}

>>739276849
>9 months abortions
You... you mean births?

>>739276485
The free market has decided abortion is a good thing.

>b-b-but muh feelings and muh emotions are more important!!1!

commie faggot

>>739276940
>human (or other animal) life
So it's immoral to kill animals?

>>739276940
Do you not kill bacteria every time you wash your hands? Why bring this up? We are taking about viable fetuses than ARE human beings.

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>>739277004
Strawman, that's not what I asked.

>>739277054
Bacteria != sperm

Everyone in this thread I think you are missing the larger point here

if you think about things from a big picture perspective you realize that the important thing to remember with this issue is that...

traps are gay

>>739277088
Incorrect, good try though

>>739276662
So, killing two separate cells is OK, but put them together, and it becomes murder?

>>739276907
The want the kids to be born so the priests have somebody to fuck. Don't care how much the give to charity, it is canceled out by the rampant pedophilia.

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>>739277121
print ("Defend")

AnonDefense = raw_input

>>739277054
You kill bacteria every time you move. But existing gives a place for billions of bacteria to grow; we are basically walking ecosystems.

I recommend this this podcast to anyone interested in actual information about abortion:
https://gimletmedia.com/episode/abortion-what-you-need-to-know/

>>739275353
One of the ways to detect a narcissist is to see how they react to being proven wrong.
A mentally healthy person accepts the change a moves on.
A mentally ill narcissist, however, starts building elaborate theories in their head about how the person that proved them wrong is a bad person; they are secretly immoral, or a liar, or a cheat. Rather than accept facts and grow, they build a fantasy that the person who corrected them is Bad so the narcissist has an excuse to never change.
>you dont actually do anything moral except hold an opinion about others ought to do
I give freely to charity, work at a shelter for the homeless, donate food to SVdP, work in a soup kitchen, and every other year help drill wells in poor villages in South America. I insist my kids do the same.
>bc I think you ought to be forced to adopt children before you can claim you are prolife
While my wife works with orphans now, once our children are grown we will foster children.
--------------
Your poor guesses are as feeble as your grasp on ethics

>>739276907
>runs about 50% of all medical clinics and hospitals in the developing world.

Where they dont give out any kind of protection, leading to africa fucking itself into an aids epidemic.
Becuase condoms are immoral.

Summerfags...

>>739275424
I never said I do.
I just pointed out the fact that a fetus is a living human.
That isn't ANYONE'S opinion, that is a scientific fact.

Life began billions of years ago, not at conception. We are a continuum of living organic material. Being upset about another organism deciding not to manufacture another organism is not a valid position.

>>739275486
>many southern democrats switched to the Republican party
Name 5

>>739277385
A fetus is a living human as much as the appendix is a living human.

>>739277176
Its limits impossible to keep women from bleeding from their cunts and saving their eggs and men having wet dreams.

I see what you're trying to do. The fact remains, the killing of a viable fetus is murder

>>739275622
>All those human lives
Failed HS biology, I see

>>739277311
Never said we don't, I know and understand we are walking bacteria housing units.

>>739277449
Not quite. It's made of human cells, but an appendix cannot turn into an entire human. I don't particularly care that women chose to have abortions, but I wanted to make this distinction.

>>739277321
Damn, how does your own dick taste? I hope all those kids being abused by parents who didn't wa them appreciate how hard you fought to make their life hell.

>>739277505
Every sperm is sacred.

Sperm and eggs are all "potential life", just like a fetus. They're just one step removed.

>>739275302
No, he speaks the truth.

cite: http://tah.oah.org/november-2016/abolishing-abortion-the-history-of-the-pro-life-movement-in-america/

>>739277464
Opinions are not facts nigger.

>>739277563
>an appendix cannot turn into an entire human.
neither can an aborted fetus

And actually, just a single skin cell could turn into a human so your argument doesn't hold up either way.

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>>739277321
Why are you on /b/?

Serious question.

>>739275449
>That choice was when she took cock snot up her fucking cunt.
translation: Pregnancy is punishment for sex...
and abortion is avoiding punishment.

>>739275702
In some US states it is legal to abort a child that developed.

>>739277711
Probably an undercover tumblr cuck.

>>739277660
Not an opinion, it's just the way it is. If you crush a line sapling, did you not kill a tree? If you take an egg from a chicken who laid it and is keeping it warm, did you not kill a chick?

>>739277600
again if holding an opinion about what others ought to do is moral

then when I express the opinion that pro lifers should have to adopt and/or have a fetus transplant before they can call themselves pro lifer
see this makes me just as moral as any pro lifer

>>739270568
While it's pretty known that this is shitty bait, I would like to say abortion should be required for people with a double digit amount of kids.
There are too many people on this planet now.
I say abortion or adoption if you want a kid. There are hundreds of thousands of kids in orphanages who'll never have a parent.
I think that's more fucked up than forcing women to have a baby, then not care anymore.
It seems christians love the fetus, and hate the child.

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>>739274519
and the republican party is in bed with it today. Don't see how that's relevant either way

>>739277380
Very thought provoking and relevant comment on this issue
could you expand on that? please be as specific as possible

>>739277385
A fetus literally cannot survive on its own therefore not a person. Stop saying your opinions are facts just because asshole jesus says so.

>>739275979
>It's almost literally a parasite
Didn't quite have the grades for trade school, huh?
A parasite is when one species is host to a different species.
Children are gestated.
>Read a book

>>739276075
>it is just your opinion that it is murder
Repeating lies doesn't make them true

>>739277868
Pro life people should be forced to raise all the unwanted babies. They want the born so fucking bad? Well they can raise the little niggs then

>>739277967
Trump is in bed with Duke because he didn't give a dignified response to unfounded accusations of nazism? Fuck you, anon. You're a communist.

>>739278081
Stop lying then

>>739273847
This.

>>739270568
This video made me pro abortion.

If you watch this and don't support abortion afterwards, you're lying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hjVSVzF3L4&t=202s

>>739270568

And what about the guys who impregnated those women? What shall their punishment be?

>>739278048
He said almost faggot

>>739276561
>If abortion is 'murder,' then male masturbation is genocide.
Translation
>"I dropped out of HS before biology class"

>>739270568
If abortions weren't a thing, as in if every conception resulted in a birth, civilization would literally have collapsed by now because the world's population would be too great to support.

Think about that.

>>739270568
Hahahahaha! Good one!

But seriously, fetuses aren't babies.

>>739277967
>legacy media quotes

Yes, a mere quote. Meanwhile your butt hurt presidential candidate is caught saying this

https://youtu.be/8za9tCGirL0

>>739278081
Im not lying anon

I just dont share your opinion
there is a difference

You must be over 18 to post here.

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Take this shit to /pol/, faggot.

>>739277600
Typical pro-abortionist -

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Look at the baby

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>>739278304
>implying I supported hillary
>when backed into a corner the trumpling's only move is to deflect to hillary
>literally has no way to defend his guy

>>739270568
This is digusting, if you ever had jizzed outside a woman you are literally worse than a serial killer since those little sperm cells had no chance to defend itself against a grown ass fuckup.

Masturbation is murder period.

>>739277855
The sapling has already sprouted and is not like a fetus. The egg is not hatched therefore not a chick. The thing isn't self aware, it can't live on its own, it isn't a person. You don't even seem to give a shit about the quality of life for these unwanted children. You get to sleep in you comfortable beds while lots of unwanted kids are abused, unloved, and go without meals. Seriously, fuck you.

>>739273702
>>739274470
foetuses of an elephant, dolphin and a cat look identical throughout some stages of development. Just cuz a human foetus looks like a human at some point isnt a good argument against abortion - its an emotional appeal.
the difference between "baby" and "foetus" is that babies dont live inside some1s organ.
Foetus doesnt have the right to use somebody elses organs without somebody elses consent

>>739278503
No bigger idiot than (you) who brought it up. Now you're in full damage control.

>>739278494
pro lifers will think this is real

>>739278558
The sapling is not a tree a this point, so you're saying is not alive?

If you had let the egg with the chicken, it would've hatched into a chick.

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>>739270568

>>739278418
Because I actually give a shit about the quality of life those kids would have? You just want them to be born and couldn't give less of a shit how shitty their lives are after that. people like you are disgusting

>>739275710
u keep forgetting Corynebacterium diphtheriae, Borrelia, Vibrio cholerae and Salmonella typhi r bacteria, that r alive too. Why do u heal the diseases? Let them use your body. Why did we eliminate diseases? Why do u eat anything? let them live.
the dress is smart to put it there, cuz foetus isnt a person, just like silk isnt a dress

>>739278651
You just said the sapling isn't a tree so you defeated your own argument.

You admitted the egg was not a chick so you again defeat your argument.

>>739278859
Never said the egg was not a chick, it is alive which is my point

srsly now, what does 4chan think about abortion?

>>739278945
>If you had let the egg with the chicken, it would've hatched into a chick.

You did say it wasn't a chick faggot

>>739278611
Because is real, is a 14 weeks old fetus.

>>739278048
Biologist here.
Nothing requires a parasite to be of a different species. Angler fish males become parasites on the female.

The KEY FACTOR: does the organism rely completely on the host for life. Will it die without the host? Yes=parasite.

>>739278945
the egg is not a chick or we would call it a chick

a fetus is not a person it has the potential to become one

your argument is that it is wrong to prevent a fetus from growing to become a person

if your argument is that a fetus is logically equivalent to a person then you are demonstrably wrong

>>739279073
see whadda tell ya

>>739278859
The sapling is alive and has the potential to mature into a tree.

I'm not debating whether something is X or not, I'm saying they are ALIVE which you happen to ignore.

>>739270568
Then you are a genocide for jack off 20 times a day, baity faggot.

>>739277321
>when you have no other arguments so you call someone a narcissist
kekekekek

>>739279145
>the egg is not a chick
Eggs not fecundated aren't chicks, the fecundated ones are.

During the time period where women are allowed to abort, a fetus is basically a parasite. It feeds on the body, is inside the body etc.
parasite
ˈparəsʌJt
noun
1.
an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
I agree abortion is murder after 24 weeks, which is the deadline in most countries. Before, it's simply getting rid of a parasite. A parasite is not human, it is not a person so it's not murder

>>739279396
Do I have to spell out every detail like this to prevent nitpicking? Of course I'm taking bout fecundaded eggs man

>>739279396
no
an egg is not logically equivalent to a chick

if that is your argument you are simply wrong

>>739278574
>>739278841
undisputed - abortion wins

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>>739271363
"STOP RIGHT THERE, YOUR NOT KILLING THAT BABY LADY"
*shoots baby bearing woman*

>>739270568
Maybe, but it's murder of someone who no one ever knew and had no contact with anyone. It never even developed a conscience. Our military murders actual people daily and no one cares, myself included.

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>>739274135
It is, by definition, a parasite.

allah doesn't want abortion, this means no abortion u little cis white privileged dicks

>>739279722
>an egg is not logically equivalent to a chick
Can be a chick if you wait a little and let it grow.

>>739279800
kekked and checked.

>>739279895
All religions are against abortion because reproduction is necessary to spread the religion.

>>739270568
>>Murder period
Kek

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its the only time we can get away with murder lol so why stop it

>>739279862
Parasites don't share the same generic material as their hosts.

>>739280092
says who?

>>739280092
if it's gonna be living in me it better be paying the damn rent i don't take no mooches.

>>739280089
I wish abortions were mandatory for niggers.

>>739280092
that doesnt matter. Its like saying family cant steal from u
better point is its not detrimental, for foetus carries on the genes. U fuckin moron