A few corrupt politicians and bankers have a kiddie porn and sex ring. Therefore, there is a colony on Mars where the elites travel to for sex with children, and also to harvest their bone marrow for anti-aging purposes.
>>739006253 They? There is a serial killer knocking off rich people who walk there dogs at night in Kansas City. Maybe it's two killers. Maybe it's 50. Fact is we don't know. Same assumption here and just as stupid. It's probably one guy.
I'm >>739006518 and I don't recall posting anything about 45, nor about defending these assholes. I can hate corrupt politicians, AND think that Alex Jones is completely crazy. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Please note that Alex Jones actually thinks that a child sex slave colony on Mars is plausible.
>>739006756 Because all this detracts from honest politics. If not for all this conspiracy theory bullshit we wouldn't have some of the people in office that we have now. Corrupt rich politicians who have actually helped spread rumors about Hillary Clintons involvement in none existent pedo rings. It detracts from serious debate and makes functioning more difficult.
>>739007051 >Please note that Alex Jones actually thinks that a child sex slave colony on Mars is plausible.
That was a guest on his show. He specifically responded, "I don't know about that" when it was brought up. Stop being a faggot and watch the full clip yourself instead of reading "news sites" to give you information for you.
He has been wrong about shit in the past (y2k, for example), but spreading disinformation is just going to make more people believe Alex Jones and some of his crazier theories because "everyone is lying".
>>739007753 No. My point is that conspiracy theorist have now been elected to office and appointed to positions of power. Hillary was just a favorite target of theirs. Along with George Soros, vaccines, global warming, evolution, and Obama. It's not my fault that at this moment the crazies are mostly sitting on one side of the isle. I doubt that will last. Dumb crazy liberals also get their "news" from biased sites which often traffic in conspiracy theory.
Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich "apparently was assassinated at 4 in the morning, having given WikiLeaks something like 53,000 emails and 17,000 attachments. ... It turns out, it wasn’t the Russians." -- Newt Gringrich
>>739009228 I actually agree with you, but your arguments are shit and you need to step up your game. Alex Jones does exaggerate heavily to push a far right/libertarian agenda. As of late, he has been speaking out against the Republicans, actually.
But come on, if he has zero credibility, why does he get more listeners/viewers than CNN?
Something like just 4 mil a day on radio alone. His program is largely credited for pushing Trump into the White House, by most major publications, including Democratic publications.
You're not doing anyone a service here by making yourself look like a moron. Explain with facts and details exactly how he lies to sway people.
>>739005529 MOST of what alex jones says is rooted in reality. He just takes a weird fucking bend. Ya, a huge amount of democrats are involved in and facilitate a pedo ring, the facts are out there, but then he goes off into this inter-dimensional satanic pedophile shit and just loses the plot.
He talks about teh government puting chemicals in the water to make men into women so they can be easily conquered, well its kinda true, it was a spill by a company without any government intervention, and the decrease in testosterone in men was an unkwn side affect of said chemical, and it was in a very localised area.
So you just have to take what he says with a grain of salt, and fact check him. So he's still more credible than CNN.
>>739009580 >Bill Gates is trying to eradicate minorities >Countries are growing lizard people >Gay frogs >Government controlled weather >Jade Helm is an exercise in taking over a country >Glenn Beck is a CIA operative
how the fuck do you take this retard seriously? He's a huckster.
>>739009895 So surely you realize that whatever bile he spews is false. The fucking Russians meddled in our election. Fact. All of our intelligence agencies agree among numerous other leaks of possible collusion.
I've always wondered if these conspiracys were just a massive distraction from things that are actually happening. Like what if Alex jones is just paid to cause shit and make you believe outrageous shit with no proof? The guy jumps from aliens to pedo rings with little to no proof of his claims, seriously the guy would have to have proof if his so involved in these investigations right?
>>739009580 Russian shit, like Trump jr taking a meeting with someone he's told represents the Russian government in order to attempt to receive illegally obtained materials damaging to Hillary Clinton? Those are the facts. He violated multiple laws in regards to campaigning and if he actually received info and didn't report it to the FBI then he's facing a bunch of other charges. It's not looking good. That's not a conspiracy theory. Although it does pertain to what might be a real conspiracy by the legal definition.
>>739005529 >For any who think Alex Jones' governmernt pedo rings are just bullshit ranting need to look at this > governmernt pedo rings >Later a guy who claims to be involved with the pedo ring by force says a Nebraska banking firm Owner/CEO was running the deal. >government >Nebraska banking firm owner/CEO was running the deal
So how does this prove Alex right even if it is true?
I'm familiar with the Gosh story, btw. Not saying it's not true, but it's not at all proof of anything like a "government" pedo ring.
>>739010141 I absolutely agree there. I guess I misread your thing on russia because I assumed he's been downplaying it. I don't really pay attention to that shitheel... Sorry anon. Can you explain his position on Russian meddling further?
>millions of viewers/listeners daily >literally is bringing in 10's of millions a month in revenue >NYT, Washington Post, Breitbart, Roger Stone have all credited Infowars with helping significantly in getting Trump into the White House.
But yeah, no credibility... Whatever you say, dude. You're one of the main reasons why Alex Jones has gotten so big. Just say Alex Jones lies all the time, turn a blind eye, and pretend he'll just go away, right?
This is why the democrats are going to fail. We need start getting our shit together, and stop using race-based politics. No one likes this trans shit either, and this is coming from a guy in California.
>>739007140 We KNOW there were, and still are, pedo rings run by powerful people. We've known that long before alex Jones was even a thing. He's the one taking that info and tinfoiling it to government lizard people and the illuminati - absolutely nothing he says is original or based in any kind of fact whatsoever. You're a moron.
>>739010385 I'm not talking about Trump and Russia nor do I want to.
I just want to talk about this case because it happened in my home town.
If all of it is true, that means some Iowa politicians are involved in pedo rings. Iowa is a small state so we know all out politicians pretty well. Freaky to think about some of them being involved in this.
>>739010611 Credibility is a subjective matter. Yes, if a lot of people trust someone, they by definition, are credible.
For example, S&P rates securities on the stock market as AAA all the time, but sometimes these stocks still fail. Lehman Brothers, for example. These rating agencies are WRONG ALL THE TIME, but because they're the "standard" and a lot of people trust them, they are credible.
You guys are morons. I'm closing this thread because the Democrats are obviously fucked if this is the level of intelligence we now have.
>>739011025 >You still seem to think I'm saying Alex Jones is right about all his rants.
Why did you even bring him up then?
>the fact that this case does validate the theories of pedo rings with high ups
No - you're a moron who doesn't understand the word "validate" and can't think logically. You're also stupid for not knowing that yes, pedo rings of "powerful people" have existed for decades if not centuries. It's not new information, and the fact that you JUST heard about this and now think Alex may be onto something makes you retarded.
>>739005529 It's all just one big bowl of steaming chilli. >Sometimes this shit is real and Jones is right That's because Jones says everything he can say until one of his screaming testicle rants is even a tiny bit correct.
Being on a first name basis with Jones and mentioning the conspiracy theory as >his government pedo rings is incredibly suspect.
>>739005529 >>739005529 >allegedly visits his mom after escaping and tells her he escaped a pedo ring run by top Iowa politicians and businessmen.
something that's rarely contemplated: it would be useful to know the mental health history of the mothers of these victims, both real (as in this case, at least the part about being kidnapped) and imagined (children who attended satanic infant-sacrificing daycare centers.)
crazy bitches - as in, literally bipolar or schizophrenic - have kids all the time and can appear to have functioning lives...
i don't know anything about this particular case. but imagine if you knew this woman personally and she's the craziest fucking person you've ever met...
>>739013294 what reason would we have to believe that johnny was the one who left photos of himself and other boys bound and gagged? i would assume it's the perp (since he can presumably drive) or some sick prankster.
>“We found out where the photos were taken,” Lt. Miller told Brilbeck. “We talked with investigators in Florida and they were able to identify all of the kids in that picture and they weren’t Johnny Gosch.”
definitely sounds like a prankster. if she thought local police were mishandling this and covering for those high-powered pedophiles - everyone's in on it! - she could place a call to the fbi, which i'm sure she did. maybe they're in on it too though lol
>>739005529 Fuck off mate, every word that comes out of his mouth is just bullshit
hes made a good career out of playing into peoples fears and the I know everything because i'm special and informed mentality of a bunch of retards that have spent too much time reading shit on the internet
>>739005529 >governmernt pedo rings Not this stupid shit again.How dumb do you have to be to keep plugging away at this despite the fact that Jones (a confessed "performance artist," meaning fraud in his case) has retracted these claims?
>>739015231 the issue i have there is that i don't think 8-year-old boys have as broad an appeal to your average middle-aged male as, say, 14-year-old girls (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein)... and all epstein had to do to get the 14 yo girls to show up is pay them, not kidnap them and give them room and board.
>>739015767 That still doesn't detract fromt he fact that he's full of shit except to the I know everything because i'm special and informed mentality of a bunch of retards that have spent too much time reading shit on the internet.
>>739015909 So which lie do we believe? We have a proven liar admitting through his lawyer that he is a liar in an attempt to get custody of his kid (thankfully he lost anyway). And then we have that same proven liar saying he was lying about being a liar. Do we believe him when he admits to being a liar or do we believe him when he admits to being a liar?
>>739015885 no doubt. i just bring up the epstein case because it's frequently cited as evidence that "these things do happen" when in fact it's not even in the same ballpark. epstein was arranging erotic massages with possibly underaged but sexually mature girls - that's very different from kidnapping the paperboy and passing him around as a sex slave. i would be willing to believe iowa politicians were up to something similar to epstein but with boys.
>>739016340 >And there is no evidence to say there isn't a pedo ring. That's not really how evidence-based discussions work. You're making the claim that there's a government pedo ring, you're going to have to bring some actual evidence to the table to be taken seriously for that outlandish claim. >a guy who claims to be involved with the pedo ring I met a guy claiming to be Elvis, doesn't make him credible.
>>739005529 alex thinks coffin liners are coffins that are meant to be filled with the corpses after the "elites" kill everyone.
that's stupid for 2 reasons. 1: he makes a whole "documentary" about coffin liners without knowing what they are, then he uses his fantasy to fill in the blank spaces, which happens to be everything.
2: he actually thinks that after killing off over a hundred million people, they'd be bothered with putting people in coffins, when every other genocide ever has just dug a giant ditch and chucked all the corpses into it. There's no way anyone would reduce the planet's population from 7 billion to 500m and bury the corpses in plastic crates.
>>739005529 remember what happened last time you bought into the bullshit?
alex is a destabilization agent. i remember the first time i heard him being called out about it was 7 years ago or something. i didn't get it then, but i get it now. he feeds your this propaganda bullshit, and you eat it up.
>>739016757 >>739016983 The OP mentions Alex Jones. The OP mentions the conspiracy. The OP mentions that Alex Jones has talked about the conspiracy. The OP suggets that Alex Jones was right about the conspiracy; Alex Jones now has credibility. He is an authority on the matter by admission of OP.
To talk about the pedo ring conspiracy, you can mention Alex Jones, because OP has given us Alex Jones. To mention him and talk about how he is related to the conspiracy, then to suggest that we shouldn't talk about him because he has absolutely nothing to do with the conspiracy, is suspect.
You're doing what you accuse conspirators of doing.
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say epstein is indeed a jew.
he's not a politician though, just a very rich financier. as far as who would be into it... who knows, but he had plenty of high-placed friends, including bill clinton. but no one was charged with anything other than epstein:
Prosecutors agreed not to bring far more serious federal charges against Epstein, and not to charge “potential co-conspirators”, including four named individuals."
>>739017102 exactly. his purpose is to make people paranoid and irrational. it fucks up the nation. usa's international influence has been hurt a lot. all because alex has fed people lies and psycho babling for many years.
>>739017102 >so he has his purpose Yea, he serves as a good red flag for stupidity. So whenever you're talking with someone and they mention anything about him being even remotely credible you can know for certain that you're talking to an idiot.
>>739005529 >allegedly visits his mom after escaping and tells her he escaped a pedo ring > Leaves because he's being followed and takes on a new identity.
I'm not saying this mom made it all up but you've got to wonder how reliable this testimony is. It's got to be pretty horrific to lose your child in such a way and then see no leads for years. I can't imagine the kind of pain those parents went through, and I wouldn't be surprised if it led to people creating narratives to "explain" the loss they experienced.
It's just weird that this guy would go to all this trouble of escaping, tracking down his mom in person, having a great idea of when people are tracking him, etc., and yet providing no evidence for his claims other than verbally telling his mom about this. Again, not claiming it was made up, but it would have been great if this guy, as a whistleblower, could do more to bring attention to the case than to just talk to his mom for 5 minutes.
Concerning the photos in 2006 thing, that's obviously horrific, but weren't the children identified as not being from Iowa or even after Gosch was kidnapped? I think out of those familiar with the case.only the mom still thinks her son was one of the photos.
Just generally speaking, the mom has made a lot of claims that no one else could possibly confirm. Even the boy's dad has stated that he's not sure whether the mom is remembering things correctly or whatever. It's a sad case to be sure. But I wouldn't bet my whole worldview on this mom's story being 100% ironclad, because anyone with that much grief could get their mind mixed up.
Read the wikipedia article and follow the links for yourself if you're interested: https://en.wikipedia org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch
OP, the term "evidence" is being used extremely loosely here.
There's a story in my neighborhood where these two school bus drivers went to jail for like 20 years because some kids said they dropped them off every day at one of their houses to molest them. Eventually the kids admitted to being coerced by their parents into the stories. One of the defendants was let out the other one is still in jail because of some loop hole.
Moral of the story is, being strongly skeptical can sometimes be in your best interest.
What the actual fuck? If they kidnapped this kid in broad daylight and were involved in a vast conspiracy to cover up politician involvement, why did they let him out to take a picture with the literal president?
Worst kidnapping ring ever. "Dude, I know we've been hiding this kidnapping for years, but we've just got to get a picture with GHWB in public! Great photo-op!"
>>739017545 >We're talking about this case only No, you are choosing to actively discourage and dispel any mention of Alex Jones even though there is reason to discuss him by virtue of the OP. I can't imagine why. >mad Leftist >triggers Anon, you are the one being triggered by any mention of Alex Jones being involved with the conspiracy by any means. You were so triggered, you had to reveal that anyone who disagrees with you is a >they
>Deep state Hahaha, deep state. >implying this is a citation for >SOMETIMES
>>739018006 Just because you're rural trash and we're better than you doesn't mean we have a bad attitude. I'd rather see the blue collar nothings driven away from the polls entirely than brought over to my side.
>>739018387 Snake oil salesman used to be a respected position, because it came with the very real risk of being literally tarred and feather. Nowadays you get a radio or tv show and get stupid people from all over the country to send you money.
>>739017754 what makes OP's case a bit more compelling is that there is an actual missing kid involved.
but yeah, that's fucked. capturing the friedmans is a really high-quality documentary that goes into issues surrounding coerced testimony from children. (a complicating factor was that the main perp, arnold friedman, had in fact received cp in the mail and all but admitted to being a pedophile - the controversy was over whether he was raping every single student in his computer class for hours a day and years on end without anyone noticing.)
That's the whole reason he was deposed, to determine the level of involvement with Epstein and the level of regularity of his stays at his property... It's public record, but the content of the deposition isn't.. yet...
> there is no evidence to say there isn't a pedo ring. This is a ridiculous standard. There's no evidence that you're not involved in the pedo ring yourself, now that I think about it. Therefore, you are involved in the pedo ring! See how easy that was? Just because a negative (i.e. there is no pedo ring) is hard to prove doesn't make the positive (i.e.there is a pedo ring) proven. That's just not how it works.
> Multiple people back up the mom's claims. Who exactly are these people? The mom herself is stricken by crazy grief that I can't even imagine. The dad himself is not sure whether the mom is misremembering/imagining things. The only only major person who has said Gosch was abducted by some specific pedo ring was a guy (Paul Bonacci) who is pretty much known to be a hoaxer--not exactly ironclad testimony. If there are others I missed just let me know.
> But its their word against the gov. The gov never said there WASN'T a pedo ring, just that there was no evidence of a pedo ring. There's a difference.
>>739019062 >did you mean to reply to OP? No >what makes OP's case a bit more compelling is that there is an actual missing kid involved. Just because there's an actual missing kid doesn't make it any more credible. Like most kids who go missing, he was probably raped senselessly and murdered within a few days of being taken. This happens every day and is not "stop the press" material. Let's all calm down and get on with our lives.
>>739019079 Someone at CNN writing about the circulation of the phrase >deep state used in reference to the United States, a more recent development, is indicative of media like CNN using the term >deep state to refer to the United States government for an established period of time to which it would be the norm, surely. Or, it isn't, and they were simply publishing their thoughts on the phenomenon as it was developing at the time.
>It took three reporters in the recent press conference asking the same question >"Did your campaign have any contact with the Russian government during the campaign?" >before the President answered >"Not to my knowledge." >Remember, this is a President who, when confronted with a false statement he made about the size of his margin of victory in the election, responded >"Well, that's just what I was told." >So which is it? A vast, dark government conspiracy exerting unconstitutional control over the President and his policies using leaks? >Or a White House in disarray and a President who desperately fears an investigation into his campaign's contact with Russia >something that could undermine that which is most dear to him, his presidency? >I know where I'd put my money.
>>739019414 >Just because there's an actual missing kid doesn't make it any more credible.
sure it does. in one case - the one with the schoolbus drivers - there's no evidence that any crime was committed at all. in the other case, a child was kidnapped. i'm more willing to entertain conspiracy theories involving the unsolved disappearance of a child than i am those involving crimes that never happened. i just happen think, like you do, that there's no reason to believe this particular theory.
don't mean to sperg out but i've been arguing half the thread that there's nothing to this...
>>739019004 >fake news site followed by >article about Haitian politician racked with guilt following the loss of life he helped cause by being part of a deeply corrupt, neglegent regime in the aftermath of a massive hurricane
>>739020913 >You're repeating insults now, anon. Probably because they're accurate. Rural people being uneducated filth is an observable fact. It's exactly why urban populations (the overwhelming majority of the total population) don't care one bit about you. You're nothing to us.
>>739021894 The one who's party actively attempts to suppress the turn out of minorities and relies on the electoral college because they don't care about the majority of Americans? You're not rich enough for Trump to care about
>>739019605 >murica >takes rape seriously the country where rapists are let off because the woman didn't dress christian enough. the country where it's consider not rape if the girl is passed out drunk. the country where the victims of rape are blamed for the rape.
You guys are both assholes who are making your sides look like trash. Not all conservatives are backwater hicks. Not all liberals are urban elites. This thread was supposed to be about a really old conspiracy theory, dammit.
>>739022450 You do realize that 31.5% of California still voted for Trump, right? It's not like 0% of "highly educated" areas voted for him, and the LA Times (pretty democratic-leaning), has admitted that more people would have voted for Trump in states like California and NY if they were closer to swing states in demographics.
>>739022873 >more people would have voted for Trump in states like California and NY if they were closer to swing states in demographics. > if they were closer to swing states in demographics. >demographics I'm shocked to hear that more votes would have gone to Trump if they had a higher population of sisterfucking rednecks.
>>739022450 the average trump voter had $10K higher median household income compared to the average clinton voter: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/
income tends to correlate pretty tightly with education. but even if trump voters are slightly better educated, it would be interesting to see it broken down by race within each party. it might be in the article, can't read whole thing right now...
>>739023192 Urban areas pay the taxes that your flyover nowhere shitholes leech off of. How long do you think rural communities would last if the government didn't waste billions in subsidizing the agricultural and farming industries?
>>739020477 >not being good enough to be a real doctor. nah...she has a masters which allows her to prescribe medical marijuana, which feeds customers into my business. Doctors are overrated blowhards with god complexes. Life is good, you should learn to enjoy it.
>>739023386 You do know a significant amount of subsidies go to California, as well, right? A lot of the agriculture of the world is exported from Central Valley there. California has some of the highest energy prices, and that's even with "green energy" subsidies. You should look into PG&E.
>>739023535 We could import all the food we need at less than it costs to grow it ourselves with the added benefit of further impoverishing the rural nobodies. Government subsidies into these industries is just a handout to whose who don't deserve employment and certainty don't have the skills for a real career.
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